Re: [NF] - MYSQL Server Free Edition

[Eric Selje]

The free version is MariaDB. But the easiest thing if your time is worth
anything would be to just set up a virtual server on Amazon Web Services.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Sorry...I know how to obtain the Free edition of MySQL server
>
> I'm asking for advice on the Linux version (free availability...is it
> worth the trouble to use) and the recommended hardware/OS requirements of
> the Windows Free version.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
>
> Mike wrote:
>
>> Any advice on how to obtain the Free edition of MySQL server for testing?
>> I'm assuming the free edition will run on Windows 7 or 10?
>>
>> I see they have a Linux version, but it doesn't appear to be free.
>> Any tips appreciated!
>>
>> Mike Copeland
>>
>
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Re: What would you do?

[Kevin Cully]

Yes. It is $699 for the pro license. You get to build as many solutions for as 
many clients as you see fit. Just like the VFP license

It is free to try out. You just need the license when you compile the 
executable for deployment

On December 16, 2017 4:57:00 PM EST, Charlie-gm  wrote:
>On 12/16/2017 4:35 PM, Kevin Cully wrote:
>> Xojo to a PostgreSQL database. That's what I've been doing for many 
>> many years now.  It's a natural migration for VFP developers.
>>
>Postgres is open source but XoJo costs money doesn't it?
>
>-Charlie
>
>
>
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Re: What would you do?

[Charlie-gm]

On 12/16/2017 4:35 PM, Kevin Cully wrote:
Xojo to a PostgreSQL database. That's what I've been doing for many 
many years now.  It's a natural migration for VFP developers.



Postgres is open source but XoJo costs money doesn't it?

-Charlie



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Re: What would you do?

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Xojo to a PostgreSQL database. That's what I've been doing for many many 
years now.  It's a natural migration for VFP developers.



On 12/16/2017 07:26 AM, Michael Madigan wrote:

A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something 
commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.      My 
client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands. 
 Open source is probably out too.
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way 
he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 
simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a 
internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a DBMS 
package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.
What would you migrate it to?


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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Fred Taylor]

Skype is a memory pig.

Fred

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:57 PM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.  They do
> not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they were
> clear).  What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant messaging
> within businesses?
>
> tia,
> --Mike
>
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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Mike]

Check out SPARK. It's open source, works well for me. Local server you 
set up on your own Linux box. Windows clients are stable.


Mike


   Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.
   They do
   not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they
   were
   clear). What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant messaging
   within businesses?
   tia,
   --Mike


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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Stephen Russell]

Slack, GroupMe

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 12:57 AM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.  They do
> not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they were
> clear).  What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant messaging
> within businesses?
>
> tia,
> --Mike
>
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Re: NF - MYSQL Server Free Edition

[Mike]

Thanks, Ricardo. My badthe subject SHOULD have read "NF - SQL Server 
Free Edition"


The client's software developer refuses to support anything but 
Microsoft's SQL Server, and is pushing for Azure use.


Next time I won't post messages with half a brain...or less.

Mike



Ricardo Araoz wrote:

What about PostgreSQL?

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/oracles-biggest-database-foe-could-it-be-postgres/ 



https://www.slant.co/versus/4218/4221/~postgres_vs_oracle-database



On 16/12/17 01:55, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:

On 2017-12-15 15:43, Mike wrote:

Ted, I would (almost) give up my keyboard for the chance to get them
to use MariaDB or anything other than the Evil Empire's SQL Server.

Unfortunately, I'm not driving the bus on this one and they're
convinced that SqlServer and ultimately Azure is the only REAL game in
town.



M$ marketing wins again!  

Nothing against "the Evil Empire" but I just don't like using SQL 
Server as much as I do VFP, MySQL/MariaDB, Oracle.



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Re: NF - MYSQL Server Free Edition

[Mike]

Oye

Yes, my bad. I guess I'm more open-source minded than I realized.

The software developer has stated emphatically that they will only 
support SQL Server and are encouraging all their users to switch to 
Azure eventually. I offered, but they had no interest in my opinion.


Mike


Ted Roche wrote:

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Mike  wrote:

Unfortunately, I'm not driving the bus on this one and they're convinced
that SqlServer and ultimately Azure is the only REAL game in town.


So, when you asked for the free version of MySQL, you meant the "free"
version of SQL Server?

Well, never mind, then.




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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Paul Hill]

Obligatory XKCD:

https://xkcd.com/1810/

-- 
Paul

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AW: What would you do?

[Jürgen Wondzinski]

Hi Michael,

even if I sound like a broken record: take a look at www.Lianja.com, and read 
first https://www.lianja.com/resources/the-lianja-vision

wOOdy


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A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something 
commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.  My 
client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands. 
 Open source is probably out too.  
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way 
he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 
simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a 
internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a DBMS 
package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.  
What would you migrate it to? 


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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Fred Taylor]

+1 on Slack

Fred

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Michael Oke, II  wrote:

> [image: MailTag]
> Slack - they have both free and paid versions.  The real limit that we have
> seen is that the free version doesn't keep as much history but for most, it
> works just fine.  You can setup multiple accounts and manage the
> communications from within a single client.
>
>
>
> -
> Michael Oke, II
> oke...@gmail.com
> 661-349-6221
> -
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:57 PM, <
> mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
>
> > Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.  They do
> > not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they were
> > clear).  What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant messaging
> > within businesses?
> >
> > tia,
> > --Mike
> >
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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Michael Oke, II]

[image: MailTag]
Well I could be mistaken on the open-source part but jabber is built on top
of XMPP and you can certainly host your own server or use one of many
publicly available servers.  Of course, this may have all changed at some
point since I was really looking at it.



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On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 7:12 AM, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:

> Really? I figured since it was produced by Cisco that it was closed
> source. But, that's just a guess...
>
>
>
> On 12/16/2017 10:01 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
>
>> [image: MailTag]
>> Jabber is open-source (I believe) and you can setup your own server on the
>> premises.  I did that for a customer who did not want communications going
>> outside of their network.
>>
>> -
>> Michael Oke, II
>> oke...@gmail.com
>> 661-349-6221
>> -
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Kurt at VR-FX 
>> wrote:
>>
>> At my last job they were originally using ZOOM - which also allows video
>>> conferencing. Then, they moved to a new office w/new phones & then
>>> started
>>> using Cisco Jabber - which was tied to the phone system. I kinda liked
>>> Zoom
>>> better!
>>>
>>> -K-
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2017 8:10 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: MailTag]
 Slack - they have both free and paid versions.  The real limit that we
 have
 seen is that the free version doesn't keep as much history but for most,
 it
 works just fine.  You can setup multiple accounts and manage the
 communications from within a single client.



 -
 Michael Oke, II
 oke...@gmail.com
 661-349-6221
 -

 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:57 PM, <
 mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

 Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.  They
 do

> not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they
> were
> clear).  What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant
> messaging
> within businesses?
>
> tia,
> --Mike
>
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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Really? I figured since it was produced by Cisco that it was closed 
source. But, that's just a guess...



On 12/16/2017 10:01 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

[image: MailTag]
Jabber is open-source (I believe) and you can setup your own server on the
premises.  I did that for a customer who did not want communications going
outside of their network.

-
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oke...@gmail.com
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On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:


At my last job they were originally using ZOOM - which also allows video
conferencing. Then, they moved to a new office w/new phones & then started
using Cisco Jabber - which was tied to the phone system. I kinda liked Zoom
better!

-K-


On 12/16/2017 8:10 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:


[image: MailTag]
Slack - they have both free and paid versions.  The real limit that we
have
seen is that the free version doesn't keep as much history but for most,
it
works just fine.  You can setup multiple accounts and manage the
communications from within a single client.



-
Michael Oke, II
oke...@gmail.com
661-349-6221
-

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:57 PM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.  They do

not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they were
clear).  What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant messaging
within businesses?

tia,
--Mike


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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Michael Oke, II]

[image: MailTag]
Jabber is open-source (I believe) and you can setup your own server on the
premises.  I did that for a customer who did not want communications going
outside of their network.

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On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:

> At my last job they were originally using ZOOM - which also allows video
> conferencing. Then, they moved to a new office w/new phones & then started
> using Cisco Jabber - which was tied to the phone system. I kinda liked Zoom
> better!
>
> -K-
>
>
> On 12/16/2017 8:10 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
>
>> [image: MailTag]
>> Slack - they have both free and paid versions.  The real limit that we
>> have
>> seen is that the free version doesn't keep as much history but for most,
>> it
>> works just fine.  You can setup multiple accounts and manage the
>> communications from within a single client.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Michael Oke, II
>> oke...@gmail.com
>> 661-349-6221
>> -
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:57 PM, <
>> mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
>>
>> Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.  They do
>>> not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they were
>>> clear).  What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant messaging
>>> within businesses?
>>>
>>> tia,
>>> --Mike
>>>
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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Kurt at VR-FX]

At my last job they were originally using ZOOM - which also allows video 
conferencing. Then, they moved to a new office w/new phones & then 
started using Cisco Jabber - which was tied to the phone system. I kinda 
liked Zoom better!


-K-


On 12/16/2017 8:10 AM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

[image: MailTag]
Slack - they have both free and paid versions.  The real limit that we have
seen is that the free version doesn't keep as much history but for most, it
works just fine.  You can setup multiple accounts and manage the
communications from within a single client.



-
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oke...@gmail.com
661-349-6221
-

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:57 PM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:


Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.  They do
not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they were
clear).  What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant messaging
within businesses?

tia,
--Mike


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Re: What would you do?

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

You may have a look at XBase++ from Alaska Software:

https://www.alaska-software.com/products/clipper-compatibility.cxp




2017-12-16 13:26 GMT+01:00 Michael Madigan :

> A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something
> commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.
> My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his
> hands.  Open source is probably out too.
> There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the
> way he does it.
> What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100
> simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a
> internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a DBMS
> package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.
> What would you migrate it to?
>
>
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Re: NF - MYSQL Server Free Edition

[Ted Roche]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, I'm not driving the bus on this one and they're convinced
> that SqlServer and ultimately Azure is the only REAL game in town.
>

So, when you asked for the free version of MySQL, you meant the "free"
version of SQL Server?

Well, never mind, then.

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Re: [NF] Chat tool for businesses (but not Skype or Facebook Messenger)

[Michael Oke, II]

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Slack - they have both free and paid versions.  The real limit that we have
seen is that the free version doesn't keep as much history but for most, it
works just fine.  You can setup multiple accounts and manage the
communications from within a single client.



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On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:57 PM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> Client likes FB messenger but does not want to friend coworkers.  They do
> not like Skype for some reason (need to research that more, but they were
> clear).  What kinds of other tools do you recommend for instant messaging
> within businesses?
>
> tia,
> --Mike
>
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What would you do?

[Michael Madigan]

A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something 
commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.      My 
client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands. 
 Open source is probably out too.  
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way 
he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 
simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a 
internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a DBMS 
package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.  
What would you migrate it to? 


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Re: NF - MYSQL Server Free Edition

[Ricardo Araoz]

What about PostgreSQL?

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/oracles-biggest-database-foe-could-it-be-postgres/

https://www.slant.co/versus/4218/4221/~postgres_vs_oracle-database



On 16/12/17 01:55, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:

On 2017-12-15 15:43, Mike wrote:

Ted, I would (almost) give up my keyboard for the chance to get them
to use MariaDB or anything other than the Evil Empire's SQL Server.

Unfortunately, I'm not driving the bus on this one and they're
convinced that SqlServer and ultimately Azure is the only REAL game in
town.



M$ marketing wins again!  

Nothing against "the Evil Empire" but I just don't like using SQL 
Server as much as I do VFP, MySQL/MariaDB, Oracle.



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Re: [ADMIN] bounced off the list

[Koen Piller]

Whattsapp I recommend
Koen

Op za 16 dec. 2017 om 08:21 schreef AndyHC 

> +1
> On 15-Dec-2017 11:15 PM, Fred Taylor wrote:
> > I use gmail and I did not get any such notice.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> 
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