How can you tell the difference programatically between Windows 8 and Windows 10 (from the desktop, not server versions)?
VFP9SP2 According to http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~VFPFunctionOS, it looks like 8 and 10 return the same values? Windows 7 Windows 6.01OS(5) returns "7600" AND OS(11) returns "1" Windows 7 SP1 Windows 6.01OS(5) returns "7601" AND OS(11) returns "1" Windows 8 Dev Preview Windows 6.02 OS(5) returns "8102" AND OS(11) returns "1" Windows 8 (Release) Windows 6.02 OS(5) returns "9200" AND OS(11) returns "1" Windows 8.1 Windows 6.02 OS(5) returns "9200" (why not 9600?) AND OS(11) returns "1" Windows 10 Windows 6.02OS(5) returns "9200" AND OS(11) returns "1" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/2ca9e33382e18d8025738c69f1b1e...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
I know Ed was responding kind of tongue-in-cheek, but I thought I would add on Jerry's response. Based on my experience, culture is by FAR the more determinant factor to predict results of a corporate acquisition. Corporate culture very rarely, if ever, changes over the life of a company (of 4 companies that I have direct experience where they tried to change the "culture", all 4 failed to change it - that's 100% failure - but, of course, it was only 4 companies - yes, I'm generalizing ). Very small companies are the only ones that have a reasonable chance of culture-changeability, and IBM is not small. So, the culture of IBM is definitely NOT in line with open source software (yeah, yeah, they've donated, blah blah, but their soul has already been sold ). How will that play out? Maybe something like Java. And that will probably mean new open source distros get branched off the latest Red Hat prior to IBM's purchase. Or maybe IBM will truly focus on charging only for support. But my guess is their bean-counters will not allow much time (cost) be spent on the OS if they are not going to charge just to buy it. And that means the IBM version of the OS will probably stagnate. -Charlie It could, but it seems unlikely that a culture as entrenched as the one at IBM will suddenly flip, for better or worse. I would imagine that mainframe salespeople will still be in their blue suits when pushing big iron to other corporate behemoths. -Jerry ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/dcb2f5a1-0252-7f47-56ae-09f7bd3f9...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?
On Nov 14, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: > > We agree on seeing the monetary potential for java ownership was going to > bite us all. One of the most compelling reasons for adopting Python is that such practices are impossible. It is permissibly licensed, so the threat of some corporation holding a critical part of an app hostage for licensing fees is simply not possible. Same is true for Go. When I realized that Microsoft was killing VFP because it could make more money on other products, I swore I would never get suckered into such a situation ever again. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/8c9357b7-108a-4ed9-908a-c6b8dfa51...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?
Is it not the case however that you can use Oracle OpenJDK instead (which the whole thing has been based on since Java 7 or 8 anyway) without licencing requirements, and that you only need to use the Oracle JDK and licence it if you are using it with other Oracle products or services? So for example if your ERP was written in Java but used PostGres or something as the database, you could just switch over to OpenJDK ? -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1542217839.3990781.1576958120.651fc...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?
We agree on seeing the monetary potential for java ownership was going to bite us all. How many different software apps does your company use that use java? We are digging through our catalog to see if some people do not. We understand that our ERP is based on it, :( and that will cost $$$ for all of those users.But we have a lot of employees that do manufacturing design and engineering and never really touch LN, the ERP by name. We thought that the ERP was going to shove that fee into our license but this mornings call gave us an empty feeling like they have not even considered it. It is a month and a half away. Our budget is due at the EOW and we have no idea how to account for this GOUGE by Oracle. On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 11:02 AM Charlie-gm wrote: > Crap! I wish I could find the email where I emphatically stated that one > day Oracle would figure out a way to extort money for the use of Java > (they got ownership after they acquired Sun Microsystems). I knew they > would eventually not be able to resist the temptation. At that time I > received quite a number of "boos" and "you're crazy" and "that will > never happen" responses. HAHAHAHAHA. > > I'm glad I never did more than dabble in it. Like any language it's got > its good and bad. But thank goodness I never released an application > that would now put a noose around my customer's or employer's necks. > > -Charlie > > On 11/14/2018 11:38 AM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote: > > > > Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years > > ago - but, didn't actually follow-up on it. > > > > -K- > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmylwkeonnjg8m5ye57vpsg466ty_kraaumkoyf7sr1z...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?
Crap! I wish I could find the email where I emphatically stated that one day Oracle would figure out a way to extort money for the use of Java (they got ownership after they acquired Sun Microsystems). I knew they would eventually not be able to resist the temptation. At that time I received quite a number of "boos" and "you're crazy" and "that will never happen" responses. HAHAHAHAHA. I'm glad I never did more than dabble in it. Like any language it's got its good and bad. But thank goodness I never released an application that would now put a noose around my customer's or employer's necks. -Charlie On 11/14/2018 11:38 AM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote: Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years ago - but, didn't actually follow-up on it. -K- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/39be7944-bef9-f2c3-591c-ed7ead51c...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?
Oooohhh - its Bad Stephen! :-) Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years ago - but, didn't actually follow-up on it. -K- On 11/14/2018 8:09 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: In USD I saw 40.00 for the applet. I hope our buyer service can do better. Has anyone seen any server-side prices yet? Java still sucks. Fuck Oracle ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/d9d88b0b-6454-b9be-3df8-3fdf42b3a...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?
In USD I saw 40.00 for the applet. I hope our buyer service can do better. Has anyone seen any server-side prices yet? Java still sucks. Fuck Oracle -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmyky4dxkecanmq0t4jdkeykhb19qtoxsnrw+vbuk1re...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
