Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-15 Thread Philip B
FYI,
the old 'SBT Accounting software' evolved into  PRO Series... ACCPAC... 
then Computer Solutions and now Sage Software.
It is currently at Sage Pro 7.4 and written in VFP 9
Your accountix had to have been a split from the original SBT Accounting 
Software.

Philip 



Bob Patterson wrote:

 We've been using old FoxPro 2.6 based accounting software
for years ... since the early 80's.This is the last evolution of
what WAS  SBT Accounting software.  It's still available, undergoing
updates, multi-user, and runs on Linux  Unix, and yes, the source code
comes with it !   NOT FREE - but very reasonably priced,
and rock-solid accounting that's easy to use  full featured.
Of course, it's text mode, with limited graphics (fast !),
but who needs flashy accounting !!!;-)

   http://www.accountixinc.com/

Free demos for d/l ..  legal FoxPro runtimes too ...

I'm sure everyone here could easily handle tweaking the
FoxPro source if needed ... ;-) Being FP, there's no problem
with importing  exporting !

  



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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-15 Thread Bob Patterson

 It was !  From the last version of VisionPoint that was written
in FP 2.6 - and the last version of SBT that would run on Unix or
Linux That's why we stuck with it !!   No WinDoze here !!!  ;-)

Accountix is dirt cheap, comes with source, and runs on Unix
or Linux - and it's rock-solid accounting  what more could
anyone want ??!!!

Had no desire to go the VFP route and watch M$ destroy
my income    and no desire to use WinBlows Made a good
living and had many happy clients on Unix, and later Linux,
with nary a BSOD in sight !:-)

-- 
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 http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
 http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

  ---orig.- 
 On Thursday 15 February 2007 20:43, Philip B wrote:
 FYI,
 the old 'SBT Accounting software' evolved into  PRO Series... ACCPAC... 
 then Computer Solutions and now Sage Software.
 It is currently at Sage Pro 7.4 and written in VFP 9
 Your accountix had to have been a split from the original SBT Accounting 
 Software.
 
 Philip 
 
 
 
 Bob Patterson wrote:
 
  We've been using old FoxPro 2.6 based accounting software
 for years ... since the early 80's.This is the last evolution of
 what WAS  SBT Accounting software.  It's still available, undergoing
 updates, multi-user, and runs on Linux  Unix, and yes, the source code
 comes with it !   NOT FREE - but very reasonably priced,
 and rock-solid accounting that's easy to use  full featured.
 Of course, it's text mode, with limited graphics (fast !),
 but who needs flashy accounting !!!;-)
 
http://www.accountixinc.com/
 
 Free demos for d/l ..  legal FoxPro runtimes too ...
 
 I'm sure everyone here could easily handle tweaking the
 FoxPro source if needed ... ;-) Being FP, there's no problem
 with importing  exporting !
 
   
 
 
 
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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-15 Thread Philip B
Sounds great Bob!
I had no idea that Accountix kept going off of SBT VP in DOS/UNIX etc.
I've been contracting to a reseller for  SBT... ACCPAC... SAGE since 
1995 and have enjoyed the ride.
We still have VP customers in the VFP 6.0 version using DOS screens.
The latest PRO 7.4 Version in VFP 9 is outstanding though and fun to 
customize. They developed a great VFP framework to work with back in 
version 6.5 so it's a lot of fun. We have both SQL Server and DBF data 
versions we work with.

Thanks for the insight!

Philip 



Bob Patterson wrote:

 It was !  From the last version of VisionPoint that was written
in FP 2.6 - and the last version of SBT that would run on Unix or
Linux That's why we stuck with it !!   No WinDoze here !!!  ;-)

Accountix is dirt cheap, comes with source, and runs on Unix
or Linux - and it's rock-solid accounting  what more could
anyone want ??!!!

Had no desire to go the VFP route and watch M$ destroy
my income    and no desire to use WinBlows Made a good
living and had many happy clients on Unix, and later Linux,
with nary a BSOD in sight !:-)

  



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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-15 Thread MB Software Solutions
Philip B wrote:
 FYI,
 the old 'SBT Accounting software' evolved into  PRO Series... ACCPAC... 
 then Computer Solutions and now Sage Software.
 It is currently at Sage Pro 7.4 and written in VFP 9
 Your accountix had to have been a split from the original SBT Accounting 
 Software.

 Philip 
   

It's in VFP9 now?  That's great!  That shows a dedication, eh?  ;-)

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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-15 Thread Bob Patterson

Thanks for the update Philip !

I didn't realize they were still actively supporting Pro - VFP 9 eh ? !
Shows that a good package just won't die ...kinda like The Fox !!  :-)
Dabbled in the Pro Series when introduced - needed a LOT of work
in those days ...   decided not to go that route...

 The great thing about Accountix is that there's NO problem
running it on Linux -- there are LEGAL  FP 2.6 Runtimes readily
(free) available ...   (They also exist for DOS, Mac,  WinDoze ...)
Yes - it's old 2.6 FoxPro, and the screens aren't too flashy, but
it does the job !   Many of our clients could have cared less about
'latest  greatest' - they just wanted to run their businesses,
so we adopted VisionPoint/Accountix to Canadian taxes 
laws,  and ran with it.

-- 
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 http://www.prosumers.ca
 http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
 http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

  ---orig.- 
 On Thursday 15 February 2007 20:58, Philip B wrote:
 Sounds great Bob!
 I had no idea that Accountix kept going off of SBT VP in DOS/UNIX etc.
 I've been contracting to a reseller for  SBT... ACCPAC... SAGE since 
 1995 and have enjoyed the ride.
 We still have VP customers in the VFP 6.0 version using DOS screens.
 The latest PRO 7.4 Version in VFP 9 is outstanding though and fun to 
 customize. They developed a great VFP framework to work with back in 
 version 6.5 so it's a lot of fun. We have both SQL Server and DBF data 
 versions we work with.
 
 Thanks for the insight!
 
 Philip 
 
 
 
 Bob Patterson wrote:
 
  It was !  From the last version of VisionPoint that was written
 in FP 2.6 - and the last version of SBT that would run on Unix or
 Linux That's why we stuck with it !!   No WinDoze here !!!  ;-)
 
 Accountix is dirt cheap, comes with source, and runs on Unix
 or Linux - and it's rock-solid accounting  what more could
 anyone want ??!!!
 
 Had no desire to go the VFP route and watch M$ destroy
 my income    and no desire to use WinBlows Made a good
 living and had many happy clients on Unix, and later Linux,
 with nary a BSOD in sight !:-)
 
   
 
 
 
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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-15 Thread Philip B
I'm impressed Bob!
If it ain't broken why fix it :)

Philip 


Bob Patterson wrote:

Thanks for the update Philip !

I didn't realize they were still actively supporting Pro - VFP 9 eh ? !
Shows that a good package just won't die ...kinda like The Fox !!  :-)
Dabbled in the Pro Series when introduced - needed a LOT of work
in those days ...   decided not to go that route...

 The great thing about Accountix is that there's NO problem
running it on Linux -- there are LEGAL  FP 2.6 Runtimes readily
(free) available ...   (They also exist for DOS, Mac,  WinDoze ...)
Yes - it's old 2.6 FoxPro, and the screens aren't too flashy, but
it does the job !   Many of our clients could have cared less about
'latest  greatest' - they just wanted to run their businesses,
so we adopted VisionPoint/Accountix to Canadian taxes 
laws,  and ran with it.

  



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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-15 Thread Philip B
Sure does.
It's a great package.
Here's the latest version of Pro Series: now called Sage Pro ERP
http://www.sageproerp.com/products/accounting/

Philip 



MB Software Solutions wrote:

Philip B wrote:
  

FYI,
the old 'SBT Accounting software' evolved into  PRO Series... ACCPAC... 
then Computer Solutions and now Sage Software.
It is currently at Sage Pro 7.4 and written in VFP 9
Your accountix had to have been a split from the original SBT Accounting 
Software.

Philip 
  



It's in VFP9 now?  That's great!  That shows a dedication, eh?  ;-)

  



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RE: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread mrgmhale
  I also have a CPA do my
 taxes because it is impossible for me to keep up with it.

Confessions of a Mad Man!  Actually, I am encouraged by your comment re:
having a CPA do your taxes despite your own background and expertise.  I was
feeling badly that I finally retained a CPA last year to do my taxes when
things got far more complex when I put my SoCal house into rental service
after 27 years of owning it and my kids finally having moved out after
graduating from university.

Worse yet, I actually had a colleague come over to do some simple hardware
work (for pay, not for free) the other day as I can not do the things I
could previously due to the pinched nerve issue I am contending with.  I
tried to do the work myself, and managed to pinch the same nerve again -
ouch, big time ouch!  I am not using to paying someone for doing what I am
otherwise quite proficient at myself.  But, since it was for my ftp Server
that I use commercially for clients I had little choice, and I had a narrow
time frame to get it back up with a replacement boot Hard Drive.

Gil

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  Subject: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN
 
  It's crap.
 
  What do you use for personal and/or business accounting?
 
  The only features that I really care about are to synchronizing my
  bank account information (which quicken is sh*tty at doing) and being
  able to automatically import the data into tax programs.
 
  ???
 

 I am a degreed accountant with many years in the field before turning to
 programming.  I use Quickbooks.  Always have, probably always will.  I
 download all of my credit cards and bank statements.  I run them through a
 VFP filter and then import them into Quickbooks.  I have used the
 SDK also,
 but haven't had time to do that for my own stuff.  I also have a CPA do my
 taxes because it is impossible for me to keep up with it.

 Jeff

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RE: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread mrgmhale
I have used Quicken for personal finances for years, and QuickBooks Pro for
at least 6 years for business (I have some inventory, so only the Pro
version will do for me).  I never seriously considered using QuickBooks for
both business and personal finances, but it actually makes sense to do so.
I can not think of any good reason to not do so in fact.  Hmmm, with all
this snow we are getting out here things get real quiet with incoming calls.
Maybe that will keep me occupied during the impending slow days...

Gil

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 I've recently given up on quicken also and am curious to see what
 others suggest using.

 At 04:48 PM 2/13/2007, you wrote:
 It's crap.
 
 What do you use for personal and/or business accounting?
 
 The only features that I really care about are to synchronizing my
 bank account information (which quicken is sh*tty at doing) and being
 able to automatically import the data into tax programs.
 
 ???
 
 
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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread MB Software Solutions
Steve Ellenoff wrote:
 I've recently given up on quicken also and am curious to see what 
 others suggest using.
   
Steve -- why did you give up on it?

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RE: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crozier
Kevin,
Yes, Turbocash is written in Delphi and versions up to last September can
run when compiled with Kylix (The Linux fork of Delphi - which is no longer
in production however). I have installed a couple of systems and they went
in no problem with the addition of some bespoke code.

The man modules are solid and well written but not completely embracing OOP
as they mainly follow procedural programming lines but good nevertheless.

Documentation and end user support is excellent from the forums but my main
gripe was the number of updates which seem just too frequent for an
accounting system even though the mvast majority of changes are either
cosmetic or new features.

Well worth a look though.

Dave Crozier

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Subject: Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

I've written my own system that is an Everything system for me.  It is
not a double entry accounting system, but as an LLC my taxes are pretty
simple.  It has contact management, project management, invoicing,
expenses, AR, and reporting.  It currently is a WWWC app against VFP
tables.  My wife and I can both work with the data in our home network.
 I'm tempted to rewrite it with REALbasic so that it can run on Windows
and Linux against a MySQL or PostgreSQL backend and perhaps develop some
PHP front end for simple web operations.  In all of my free time!

I was Googling and TurboCash came up.  The USA version of the web site
has some broken links but the UK version of the web site looks complete.
 It's open sourced but only runs on Windows. f  I believe it is either
written in Delphi or some sort of Pascal.  I haven't picked through the
Wiki enough to really tell the current state.  It looks like it's worth
a look:

http://www.turbocashuk.com/

Steve Ellenoff wrote:
 I've recently given up on quicken also and am curious to see what 
 others suggest using.




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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread Kevin Cully
Dave,
It looks like Delphi isn't going to be in production either. g  That
doesn't mean that Delphi or Turbocash won't be useful and productive for
years into the future!

I would think the main point of interest for developers on this forum is
that their next accounting system is open enough that they could
potentially extend the system, or access the data in such a way that
they could create custom reports or make small enhancements.  Via ODBC,
I would think that the TurboCash data would be available to this extent.

Thanks!

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Kevin,
 Yes, Turbocash is written in Delphi and versions up to last September can
 run when compiled with Kylix (The Linux fork of Delphi - which is no longer
 in production however). I have installed a couple of systems and they went
 in no problem with the addition of some bespoke code.
 
 The man modules are solid and well written but not completely embracing OOP
 as they mainly follow procedural programming lines but good nevertheless.
 
 Documentation and end user support is excellent from the forums but my main
 gripe was the number of updates which seem just too frequent for an
 accounting system even though the mvast majority of changes are either
 cosmetic or new features.
 
 Well worth a look though.
 
 Dave Crozier




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RE: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crozier
Kevin,
Well Delphi and the other Borland developer products may well be acquired
by outside interests as Borland themselves want to concentrate on other non
developer tools but judging by the turbo range of products  Delphi, C++,
C# and Delphi for .NET which are free) http://www.turboexplorer.com/ it
looks like they still have a future and are also aimed at the mass market - 

Like wot VFP should be!! BG

However, if there is one thing that is worse than dealing with VFP data via
ODBC, it is dealing with data controlled by the Borland BDE which I
absolutely hate which is the only down side I found with it!

However, the Turbocash remains a good product and recommended.
 
Dave Crozier


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Dave,
It looks like Delphi isn't going to be in production either. g  That
doesn't mean that Delphi or Turbocash won't be useful and productive for
years into the future!

I would think the main point of interest for developers on this forum is
that their next accounting system is open enough that they could
potentially extend the system, or access the data in such a way that
they could create custom reports or make small enhancements.  Via ODBC,
I would think that the TurboCash data would be available to this extent.

Thanks!

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Kevin,
 Yes, Turbocash is written in Delphi and versions up to last September can
 run when compiled with Kylix (The Linux fork of Delphi - which is no
longer
 in production however). I have installed a couple of systems and they went
 in no problem with the addition of some bespoke code.
 
 The man modules are solid and well written but not completely embracing
OOP
 as they mainly follow procedural programming lines but good nevertheless.
 
 Documentation and end user support is excellent from the forums but my
main
 gripe was the number of updates which seem just too frequent for an
 accounting system even though the mvast majority of changes are either
 cosmetic or new features.
 
 Well worth a look though.
 
 Dave Crozier




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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread Bob Patterson

 We've been using old FoxPro 2.6 based accounting software
for years ... since the early 80's.This is the last evolution of
what WAS  SBT Accounting software.  It's still available, undergoing
updates, multi-user, and runs on Linux  Unix, and yes, the source code
comes with it !   NOT FREE - but very reasonably priced,
and rock-solid accounting that's easy to use  full featured.
Of course, it's text mode, with limited graphics (fast !),
but who needs flashy accounting !!!;-)

   http://www.accountixinc.com/

Free demos for d/l ..  legal FoxPro runtimes too ...

I'm sure everyone here could easily handle tweaking the
FoxPro source if needed ... ;-) Being FP, there's no problem
with importing  exporting !

-- 
   ..bobp
 http://www.prosumers.ca
 http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
 http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

  ---orig.- 
 On Wednesday 14 February 2007 05:29, Steve Ellenoff wrote:
 I've recently given up on quicken also and am curious to see what 
 others suggest using.
 
 At 04:48 PM 2/13/2007, you wrote:
 It's crap.
 
 What do you use for personal and/or business accounting?
 
 The only features that I really care about are to synchronizing my
 bank account information (which quicken is sh*tty at doing) and being
 able to automatically import the data into tax programs.
 
 ???
 
 
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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread Steve Ellenoff

Steve -- why did you give up on it?

I was fed up with their backhanded upgrade tactics. I've been 
upgrading every year since 98, and have noticed the software get 
worse in terms of bloat, relentless advertising stuck in your face, 
and in many ways I prefered the older versions ( the functionality 
seemed cleaner and easier to me ). When I hit version 2003 I decided 
I was done upgrading; I hadn't seen any compelling features to keep going.

Then I found out how Quicken basically disables some of the most 
crucial features of their software after a certain time frame which 
coincides with them dropping support for the product. I think they 
call this the sunset period or something. I don't care if they drop 
phone support ( it's useless anyway ), but to disable features, is criminal.

The most notable feature is the automatic downloading of credit card 
 bank account information. It basically stopped working after this 
date (which was about 5 months ago I think). I was warned many many 
times by the software that it would stop, and that I *must* upgrade, 
and I was even sent numerous emails about it.

I was and am still outraged at this tactic, so I decided instead of 
knuckling under, I would abandon them all together.

So I did, but now I'm looking for a replacement, and I'm unsure what 
to go with ( I've heard some horror stories about MS Money )..

-Steve






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RE: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread John Weller
I accept that my experiences in UK are possibly not relevant to the US but I
use Excel.  I just keep a record of my income and expenditure and then pass
it to my accountant who checks it to tell me what I should be including
(like heating and lighting for my office at home) and what I will be pushing
my luck if I include then sends the results off to the Revenue.

John Weller
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07976 393631

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 Steve -- why did you give up on it?

 I was fed up with their backhanded upgrade tactics. I've been
 upgrading every year since 98, and have noticed the software get
 worse in terms of bloat, relentless advertising stuck in your face,
 and in many ways I prefered the older versions ( the functionality
 seemed cleaner and easier to me ). When I hit version 2003 I decided
 I was done upgrading; I hadn't seen any compelling features to keep going.





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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-14 Thread MB Software Solutions
Steve Ellenoff wrote:
 snipped
 I was and am still outraged at this tactic, so I decided instead of 
 knuckling under, I would abandon them all together.

 So I did, but now I'm looking for a replacement, and I'm unsure what 
 to go with ( I've heard some horror stories about MS Money )..
   

Have you considered PeachTree?  I haven't used it, but wondered about it 
myself...

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[NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-13 Thread Chet Gardiner
It's crap.

What do you use for personal and/or business accounting? 

The only features that I really care about are to synchronizing my 
bank account information (which quicken is sh*tty at doing) and being 
able to automatically import the data into tax programs.

???


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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-13 Thread Nicholas Geti
I use DacEasy by www.daceasy.com. Do a Google search for some hits that are 
very complimentary. It is a true double-entry accounting package.


- Original Message - 
From: Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: profox@leafe.com
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Subject: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN


 It's crap.

 What do you use for personal and/or business accounting?

 The only features that I really care about are to synchronizing my
 bank account information (which quicken is sh*tty at doing) and being
 able to automatically import the data into tax programs.

 ???


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RE: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-13 Thread Jeff Johnson
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 On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:48 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN
 
 It's crap.
 
 What do you use for personal and/or business accounting?
 
 The only features that I really care about are to synchronizing my
 bank account information (which quicken is sh*tty at doing) and being
 able to automatically import the data into tax programs.
 
 ???
 

I am a degreed accountant with many years in the field before turning to
programming.  I use Quickbooks.  Always have, probably always will.  I
download all of my credit cards and bank statements.  I run them through a
VFP filter and then import them into Quickbooks.  I have used the SDK also,
but haven't had time to do that for my own stuff.  I also have a CPA do my
taxes because it is impossible for me to keep up with it.

Jeff

Jeff Johnson
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Re: [NF] I've HAD IT WITH QUICKEN

2007-02-13 Thread Steve Ellenoff
I've recently given up on quicken also and am curious to see what 
others suggest using.

At 04:48 PM 2/13/2007, you wrote:
It's crap.

What do you use for personal and/or business accounting?

The only features that I really care about are to synchronizing my
bank account information (which quicken is sh*tty at doing) and being
able to automatically import the data into tax programs.

???


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