Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 08:50 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: If I heard right (on LinkedIn iirc), Servoy might be a good choice given your POV on how they charge. No personal experience. They have a free edition which is exactly the same as the paid one, except it only allows a few concurrent connections. The recent project I did was completed and installed and tested before I paid for any licences. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1353061993.31842.140661154402673.1aa2a...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
On 11/13/2012 11:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is developing. Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged. I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us. Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough. If I heard right (on LinkedIn iirc), Servoy might be a good choice given your POV on how they charge. No personal experience. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a55581.5030...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Kurt, I hope that I haven't oversold Real Studio / RealBasic. For Windows only desktop applications, I still think that VFP has the edge in development. However, for being able to develop one application and compile for Windows, Mac, and Linux desktop applications, then it is the best tool I have found. Throw in the ability to develop Web applications as if you are developing a desktop application (what they call Web 3.0) and that's a big bucket of win. Did I mention that you can share business applications and modules (anything non-UI) between desktop and web applications? That's really cool. Is it perfect? Certainly not. There are bugs that they work through. It's not 64bit yet. Web application deployment is has some complexity and expense. No, you cannot host a web application on a cheap Linux hosting account that would be $7/month. It can't do phone applications just yet (iOS or Android) although they are working on iOS development. Yes, the web applications can be Phone Browser aware however. (example: Session.OrientationChanged() fires when the connected device orientation changes. 0=Portrait, 90=Landscape Left, 180=Upside Down, -90=Landscape right.) ... and ... it's not free or open sourced, but it's an established company from Austin, TX where the product has been around for decades now. All I can say is that the same Fun Factor I get when developing VFP applications, I get the same good feelings and productivity developing RealBasic applications. Your VFP Mindset works well in the application world of RealBasic of Windows, Methods, Events, and Properties. -Kevin On 11/13/2012 08:32 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: And - I have even been considering Real Basic as a new option to develop in - since its so closely related to VFP. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a25930.2080...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Full agreement here on RealBasic, both it's pro's and also its cons. I just treat it as another tool in the developers arsenal and at multi platform it is certainly the best one click multi compile solution I have found. I think all the comments regarding VFP and it's future bring into perspective the fact that being a one horse developer doesn't really hold credence any more now that there are so many platforms to develop on, hence diversity is king. use the best tool for the job. I know lots of people, myself included, have lots of times spouted how VFP can do anything. Yes it can, but sometimes it is a pain and in those circumstances it is only the persistence and ingenuity of the developer that make the product do it. Far better to get the job done quickly and efficiently, regardless of the product used and move on to the next money paying project in my opinion. Yes, I could probably have done all the projects in my past using simply Access and VB but .. (a) Would I want to ... NO (b) Would I have even finished the first one yet... maybe not (c) Would I have enjoyed the experience definitely NOT! Life is to short to be stubborn and short sighted! Dave ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/bd031ecabf2b60499200aab3dbb4a999012b2ba...@ex-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is developing. Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged. I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us. Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough. E. From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: RE: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface) Full agreement here on RealBasic, both it's pro's and also its cons. I just treat it as another tool in the developers arsenal and at multi platform it is certainly the best one click multi compile solution I have found. I think all the comments regarding VFP and it's future bring into perspective the fact that being a one horse developer doesn't really hold credence any more now that there are so many platforms to develop on, hence diversity is king. use the best tool for the job. I know lots of people, myself included, have lots of times spouted how VFP can do anything. Yes it can, but sometimes it is a pain and in those circumstances it is only the persistence and ingenuity of the developer that make the product do it. Far better to get the job done quickly and efficiently, regardless of the product used and move on to the next money paying project in my opinion. Yes, I could probably have done all the projects in my past using simply Access and VB but .. (a) Would I want to ... NO (b) Would I have even finished the first one yet... maybe not (c) Would I have enjoyed the experience definitely NOT! Life is to short to be stubborn and short sighted! Dave ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/bd031ecabf2b60499200aab3dbb4a999012b2ba...@ex-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1352823255.94294.yahoomail...@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Hey Kevin, On 11/13/2012 9:29 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: Kurt, I hope that I haven't oversold Real Studio / RealBasic. For Windows only desktop applications, I still think that VFP has the edge in development. Overselling sounds fine by me - nothing wrong with being a RealBasic Evangelist! However, for being able to develop one application and compile for Windows, Mac, and Linux desktop applications, then it is the best tool I have found. Throw in the ability to develop Web applications as if you are developing a desktop application (what they call Web 3.0) and that's a big bucket of win. Being that I can develop Web Apps - that sounds really enticing - since my buddy now claims that is what his associates are REALLY Looking for. Did I mention that you can share business applications and modules (anything non-UI) between desktop and web applications? That's really cool. When you say Non-UI, what does that really mean? Only the data processing and manipulation routines can be shared? What about the data. Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved... Is it perfect? Certainly not. There are bugs that they work through. Understood. It's not 64bit yet. I suspect that is something that they ARE working on - for near future releases? Web application deployment is has some complexity and expense. No, you cannot host a web application on a cheap Linux hosting account that would be $7/month. Thanks for that heads-up. It can't do phone applications just yet (iOS or Android) although they are working on iOS development. Yes, the web applications can be Phone Browser aware however. (example: Session.OrientationChanged() fires when the connected device orientation changes. 0=Portrait, 90=Landscape Left, 180=Upside Down, -90=Landscape right.) So - in essence - although one can NOT Yet make a native mobile app yet - once Can run a Web app on a mobile device and it will be aware of it being run on a Mobile device - and screen layout can be made to change accordingly? ... and ... it's not free or open sourced, It was mentioned in another e-mail thread that in 2013 - there would be a Free version to use - or at least a version that one could try their hands at - while there would be a cost to a version for deployment. Right? I'm curious to know if there is a version now that I could play with - like a demo version - before laying out cash I don't have. I would essentially buy the dev. version if I can actually GET this project I am currently looking into... ...but it's an established company from Austin, TX where the product has been around for decades now. That truly IS a Good thing to know. All I can say is that the same Fun Factor I get when developing VFP applications, I get the same good feelings and productivity developing RealBasic applications. Your VFP Mindset works well in the application world of RealBasic of Windows, Methods, Events, and Properties. Now - THAT Truly makes it enticing for someone like me - a Long time VFP guy! Thanks again Kevin for all your input! -K- On 11/13/2012 08:32 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: And - I have even been considering Real Basic as a new option to develop in - since its so closely related to VFP. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a2727b.9010...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Hey Dave - thanks again for your input. I agree with your 1 horse comment - and hope that I CAN get this New project - and CAN use this as the perfect opportunity to get a new tool under my belt! L8r, -K- On 11/13/2012 9:39 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: Full agreement here on RealBasic, both it's pro's and also its cons. I just treat it as another tool in the developers arsenal and at multi platform it is certainly the best one click multi compile solution I have found. I think all the comments regarding VFP and it's future bring into perspective the fact that being a one horse developer doesn't really hold credence any more now that there are so many platforms to develop on, hence diversity is king. use the best tool for the job. I know lots of people, myself included, have lots of times spouted how VFP can do anything. Yes it can, but sometimes it is a pain and in those circumstances it is only the persistence and ingenuity of the developer that make the product do it. Far better to get the job done quickly and efficiently, regardless of the product used and move on to the next money paying project in my opinion. Yes, I could probably have done all the projects in my past using simply Access and VB but .. (a) Would I want to ... NO (b) Would I have even finished the first one yet... maybe not (c) Would I have enjoyed the experience definitely NOT! Life is to short to be stubborn and short sighted! Dave [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a272e3.7040...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Hello Eurico, The Real Studio pricing model is going to change with the next release. The IDE is going to be free from that point on. You only need to pay if you want to compile the application. In fact, you can develop and application, distribute it to your customer and they can run it from the IDE without paying for anything (but your time). The Real Studio license model is just like the VFP licensing model. -Kevin On 11/13/2012 11:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is developing. Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged. I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us. Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough. E. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a27300.7010...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
U know - E - I TOTALLY Agree with you on that one - and its somewhat inline with what I wrote in my last e-mail. I think that MS already does this - with all the Express versions of their Dev. tools - since, you can essentially build a whole system - that may have limitations under the Express version - then those limitations are wiped away once you get the full VS version! -K- On 11/13/2012 11:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is developing. Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged. I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us. Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough. E. From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: RE: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface) Full agreement here on RealBasic, both it's pro's and also its cons. I just treat it as another tool in the developers arsenal and at multi platform it is certainly the best one click multi compile solution I have found. I think all the comments regarding VFP and it's future bring into perspective the fact that being a one horse developer doesn't really hold credence any more now that there are so many platforms to develop on, hence diversity is king. use the best tool for the job. I know lots of people, myself included, have lots of times spouted how VFP can do anything. Yes it can, but sometimes it is a pain and in those circumstances it is only the persistence and ingenuity of the developer that make the product do it. Far better to get the job done quickly and efficiently, regardless of the product used and move on to the next money paying project in my opinion. Yes, I could probably have done all the projects in my past using simply Access and VB but .. (a) Would I want to ... NO (b) Would I have even finished the first one yet... maybe not (c) Would I have enjoyed the experience definitely NOT! Life is to short to be stubborn and short sighted! Dave [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a27392.9010...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho e28cha...@yahoo.com.br wrote: I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is developing. Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged. I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us. Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough. What about a completely free app? With full source code? And no license fees? And no license restrictions? Too good to be true, right? ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/3211e4fd-014a-459e-86af-c59d0462a...@rackspace.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
When you say Non-UI, what does that really mean? Only the data
processing and manipulation routines can be shared?
Yes. The UI elements are specific to the various platforms so
interfacing with them wouldn't cross over. However, developing for a
desktop application and a web application are developed in a similar
way. For example, you could put this same code in the 'Action()' event
of a button. ('Action()' in Real Studio is the equivalent of 'Click()'
in VFP) no matter whether it is on the desktop or in a web application:
MsgBox(Why, hello there ProFox mailing list!) Yup, this code works
both on the desktop and on the web even though it is a pushButton on
desktop and a webButton on a web application! Doesn't that look like
VFP? Or at least our old FoxPro command.
What about the data. Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again -
just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...
You have options as far as accessing data. Natively and built in is the
SQLite data engine which they call RealSQLDatabase. This is a really
good thing because guess what databases are supported on phones:
SQLite. Just like in the VFP world however, most people develop against
a full SQL Server however. I'm a big fan of PostgreSQL, but there are
plugins for MYSql, Oracle, PostgreSQL. The rest of the databases are
accessible by the ODBC plugin. I believe there are other database
specific plugins available for purchase from 3rd party companies but I
haven't looked into it.
I suspect that is something that they ARE working on - for near future
releases?
Yes, 64bit is in their road map. They are changing over to the LLVM
compiler which will make getting to 64bit much easier. It will make
getting to the phone platforms easier as well.
So - in essence - although one can NOT Yet make a native mobile app
yet - once Can run a Web app on a mobile device and it will be aware
of it being run on a Mobile device - and screen layout can be made to
change accordingly?
Yes, you can, on the Session.OrientationChanged() event then send down a
different page but I haven't needed it yet. Then anchor properties on
the webforms make the resizing very familiar to what we normally see
when a window is resized. Most of the time, I just lock a button to the
lower+right, and allow the listbox to resize and I'm good.
It was mentioned in another e-mail thread that in 2013 - there would
be a Free version to use - or at least a version that one could try
their hands at - while there would be a cost to a version for
deployment. Right? I'm curious to know if there is a version now that
I could play with - like a demo version - before laying out cash I
don't have. I would essentially buy the dev. version if I can actually
GET this project I am currently looking into...
I believe that you can use the demo version for 30 days without paying
right now. If you need more time than that, just contact Real Software,
Inc. and ask for another key that should allow for another 30 days.
They're pretty nice about that kind of stuff.
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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Great Kevin. I don't mind distributing riches. If I sell I will compile and gladly pay for it. E. From: Kevin Cully kcu...@cullytechnologies.com To: profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface) Hello Eurico, The Real Studio pricing model is going to change with the next release. The IDE is going to be free from that point on. You only need to pay if you want to compile the application. In fact, you can develop and application, distribute it to your customer and they can run it from the IDE without paying for anything (but your time). The Real Studio license model is just like the VFP licensing model. -Kevin On 11/13/2012 11:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote: I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is developing. Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged. I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us. Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough. E. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a27300.7010...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1352829293.66299.yahoomail...@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Hi Ed Yeah, too good. I know, I got Dabo under my belt. When I got your framework for VFP I changed it quite a bit before I sold the first program. I have been studying Python for almost a year now and I am ready to tackle Dabo. But, RealBasic is so much like what I know already... E. From: Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface) On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho e28cha...@yahoo.com.br wrote: I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is developing. Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged. I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us. Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough. What about a completely free app? With full source code? And no license fees? And no license restrictions? Too good to be true, right? ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/3211e4fd-014a-459e-86af-c59d0462a...@rackspace.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1352829642.94018.yahoomail...@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Stephen I got this idea of a program. I want to develop it fast and there is this tool, say, RealBasic that gives me what I want, but for a cost. So I choose open source instead. But if RealBasic was free for a developer, I could spend time with it and pay when I sell. If I already have a client then I could insert into the price the cost, like we did with VFP. To tell u the truth in my first VFP program I used a pirate copy. I bought my copy afterwards. E. From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface) On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho e28cha...@yahoo.com.br wrote: I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is developing. Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged. I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us. Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough. - Something sounds wrong here. You want to prototype for a customer and use the development tools through to delivery without paying because the customer has not paid you? Maybe Open Source is the option for you. There are a lot of other vendors with free tools out there, and some of those have versions that are pay for as well. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYLGodYyoZJymrRAJOA=+gvoj6a_rep227w6d9w4rdk...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1352830046.38901.yahoomail...@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Hey Kevin,
Thanks again for all your extensive input - I really appreciate your
taking the time to reply. And, yes, I think a 3-day trial is sufficient
for my purposes!
Regards,
Kurt
On 11/13/2012 11:57 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:
On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
When you say Non-UI, what does that really mean? Only the data
processing and manipulation routines can be shared?
Yes. The UI elements are specific to the various platforms so
interfacing with them wouldn't cross over. However, developing for a
desktop application and a web application are developed in a similar
way. For example, you could put this same code in the 'Action()'
event of a button. ('Action()' in Real Studio is the equivalent of
'Click()' in VFP) no matter whether it is on the desktop or in a web
application: MsgBox(Why, hello there ProFox mailing list!) Yup,
this code works both on the desktop and on the web even though it is a
pushButton on desktop and a webButton on a web application!
Doesn't that look like VFP? Or at least our old FoxPro command.
What about the data. Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again -
just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...
You have options as far as accessing data. Natively and built in is
the SQLite data engine which they call RealSQLDatabase. This is a
really good thing because guess what databases are supported on
phones: SQLite. Just like in the VFP world however, most people
develop against a full SQL Server however. I'm a big fan of
PostgreSQL, but there are plugins for MYSql, Oracle, PostgreSQL. The
rest of the databases are accessible by the ODBC plugin. I believe
there are other database specific plugins available for purchase from
3rd party companies but I haven't looked into it.
I suspect that is something that they ARE working on - for near
future releases?
Yes, 64bit is in their road map. They are changing over to the LLVM
compiler which will make getting to 64bit much easier. It will make
getting to the phone platforms easier as well.
So - in essence - although one can NOT Yet make a native mobile app
yet - once Can run a Web app on a mobile device and it will be aware
of it being run on a Mobile device - and screen layout can be made to
change accordingly?
Yes, you can, on the Session.OrientationChanged() event then send down
a different page but I haven't needed it yet. Then anchor properties
on the webforms make the resizing very familiar to what we normally
see when a window is resized. Most of the time, I just lock a button
to the lower+right, and allow the listbox to resize and I'm good.
It was mentioned in another e-mail thread that in 2013 - there would
be a Free version to use - or at least a version that one could try
their hands at - while there would be a cost to a version for
deployment. Right? I'm curious to know if there is a version now that
I could play with - like a demo version - before laying out cash I
don't have. I would essentially buy the dev. version if I can
actually GET this project I am currently looking into...
I believe that you can use the demo version for 30 days without paying
right now. If you need more time than that, just contact Real
Software, Inc. and ask for another key that should allow for another
30 days. They're pretty nice about that kind of stuff.
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