Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
We have a few - just a Windows server in a bunker somewhere with our application on it, and the users run it via RDP sessions. No biggie. The trouble is that 'the cloud' is a very nebulous term, and 'putting an app in it' even more so. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1343807029.23454.140661109235313.29e60...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 01:03 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com wrote: Our VFP data is on a server within the cloud space. The user apps are spread across multiple servers, but the data is all in one place so SELECT * FROM table certainly does work and is multi-user as normal. --- Is this over a VPN or the public internet? -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1343823750.12327.140661109322569.7bf86...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Maybe we could just call it the nebulosity instead of cloud, or be more specific about our hw/platform specs. My head's been in the clouds too long according to most of my friends, although I still reign from time to time with occasional clearing. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 01:03 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com wrote: Our VFP data is on a server within the cloud space. The user apps are spread across multiple servers, but the data is all in one place so SELECT * FROM table certainly does work and is multi-user as normal. --- Is this over a VPN or the public internet? -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cafuu78ebffbuwca78rcnraqgvh0xgslhdffhhp90gtivf_4...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
It's not a VPN but it's supposed to be some kind of security on the backend. Maybe it's hardware only, but it is some kind of secure logon. Not my area to deal with. Fred On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 01:03 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com wrote: Our VFP data is on a server within the cloud space. The user apps are spread across multiple servers, but the data is all in one place so SELECT * FROM table certainly does work and is multi-user as normal. --- Is this over a VPN or the public internet? -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJCBksq9jHY+Ng14e7dV8=NCqXX=f8v9ta7zh1bqe29wffg...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
If your client wants a web-based (AKA browser-based) solution, please take a look at FoxInCloud. Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/ Le 31/07/12 22:41, Lew Schwartz a écrit : I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50195a30.8000...@foxincloud.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Eh Thierry, on dort ? presque 24h pour réagir ! ;-) To all : I was wondering why Thierry took so long to react ! Jean ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/501987e0.3040...@wanadoo.fr ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Really depends on the number of users. We moved several VFP apps to the cloud with about 125-150 users. Not quite sure how many servers that's spread across on the cloud, but I think it's at least 6 servers (4 for user logins and 2 for data). Everything accessed from RDP (remote desktop). Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajcbksq4f0rhd4esq0b1+pxjzr+3mmqw1ci1uypsy-9qgpt...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
If the cloud is mounted as a drive can you skip the RDP? -Lew Schwartz On Jul 31, 2012 4:50 PM, Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com wrote: Really depends on the number of users. We moved several VFP apps to the cloud with about 125-150 users. Not quite sure how many servers that's spread across on the cloud, but I think it's at least 6 servers (4 for user logins and 2 for data). Everything accessed from RDP (remote desktop). Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cafuu78dracnphcrr5zdy0suo1beoabi2r4361gu4et_8eex...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Not with our setup we can't. Once we RDP into the cloud, we can access the local computer's resources if need be, including internal network drives, but it is S L O W. Access on the cloud resources is very fast, just the local access is slow. Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: If the cloud is mounted as a drive can you skip the RDP? -Lew Schwartz On Jul 31, 2012 4:50 PM, Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com wrote: Really depends on the number of users. We moved several VFP apps to the cloud with about 125-150 users. Not quite sure how many servers that's spread across on the cloud, but I think it's at least 6 servers (4 for user logins and 2 for data). Everything accessed from RDP (remote desktop). Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJCBksq9Tp4gJ9gu5OMsknorV2-x9=hhzhvd+m1fbmtvo0l...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
I don't see where that should be much of a problem then. It took several weeks for things to work smoothly for ours, but it seems to work pretty well now. I know our hardware guy spent a lot of time on the phone with the cloud techies before things worked correctly, though, especially for the number of users we had. Went through quite a number of iterations before they got the load balancing for the users spread out right. Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: This is a single user app. She needs multiple access points and auto backup-ish, minimal security. -Lew Schwartz --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajcbkso3h-wazd_tlmr2ci9_czmnfhg-tbmeikk01wuv5z_...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
This'll be a very generic cloud: either Google or Amazon. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see where that should be much of a problem then. It took several weeks for things to work smoothly for ours, but it seems to work pretty well now. I know our hardware guy spent a lot of time on the phone with the cloud techies before things worked correctly, though, especially for the number of users we had. Went through quite a number of iterations before they got the load balancing for the users spread out right. Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: This is a single user app. She needs multiple access points and auto backup-ish, minimal security. -Lew Schwartz --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAFuU78cW=bmdstr1vajw9dez54hpbenqrykzrxxp9p9e8af...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: This'll be a very generic cloud: either Google or Amazon. ...or Rackspace. ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/aba7c182-0b5d-48ae-b547-3f557356f...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On 7/31/2012 4:50 PM, Fred Taylor wrote: Really depends on the number of users. We moved several VFP apps to the cloud with about 125-150 users. Not quite sure how many servers that's spread across on the cloud, but I think it's at least 6 servers (4 for user logins and 2 for data). Everything accessed from RDP (remote desktop). So each user RDP's into a location and runs the app that way? It's using VFP tables for it's backend? Any performance lag with the RDP approach? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50184b87.1040...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Not so that it's noticeable. We had a sever problem with generating/printing large reports early on (10-1 slower) but I'm pretty sure that's not as big a problem as it used to be. At least I don't hear the complaints as often, anyways. ;) The printing was local, and what was a 3 minute report generation time, was around 30 minutes. I think it's 3-5 minutes now. Generating emails (via Outlook) had a similar problem that's since been resolved, too. (And just for Ed, RackSpace hosts our email Exchange server). Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:17 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:50 PM, Fred Taylor wrote: Really depends on the number of users. We moved several VFP apps to the cloud with about 125-150 users. Not quite sure how many servers that's spread across on the cloud, but I think it's at least 6 servers (4 for user logins and 2 for data). Everything accessed from RDP (remote desktop). So each user RDP's into a location and runs the app that way? It's using VFP tables for it's backend? Any performance lag with the RDP approach? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJCBksrsLP7VdRsSEzwcaUxy8qohj1-gwkw3a1pQbeuK=1n...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On 7/31/2012 5:37 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: So, to be clear, has anyone simply mounted the drive ( or used the vendor's mounting routine) and run both app and data as though it were a local drive letter? Lew, Do you mean the Foxpro tables (is that what you're using on the backend?) are on that cloud drive? I'm betting that'd suck for performance. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5018515a.3090...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On 7/31/2012 5:38 PM, Fred Taylor wrote: Not so that it's noticeable. We had a sever problem with generating/printing large reports early on (10-1 slower) but I'm pretty sure that's not as big a problem as it used to be. At least I don't hear the complaints as often, anyways. ;) The printing was local, and what was a 3 minute report generation time, was around 30 minutes. I think it's 3-5 minutes now. Generating emails (via Outlook) had a similar problem that's since been resolved, too. (And just for Ed, RackSpace hosts our email Exchange server). So the users all dial into the same computer address, but I'm guessing it's some sort of Citrix like setup (as opposed to them each having a computer remotely--which of course makes NO sense)? Are they using VM for this stuff? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/501851e1.2030...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? Lew- looks like 'cloud' means different things to different people... In my case I have a DropBox account and it installs a folder on your local desktop under Documents and Settings\username\My Documents... never thought to RUN anything from there, so just now copied an EXE (the CutePDF installer) and it fired up. I think you're just going to have to drop the runtimes and your EXE/data on your cloud mapped drive and see how it works Like MB said, I suspect performance will be lacking... perhaps the EXE running local w/ data on the cloud would be acceptable, especially if it's just a single user app like you described... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/capt54raeunnrn2rq1ufhgayynpginnctv9fzeg0v8trklry...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Yes, VFP all the way. I agree with the sucky assessment, I just need to know if it'd work. This is a single user/owner start up. Fancy stuff down the pike when she can afford it. They'll probably be a timeout issue at public access points; I'm guessing that already. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:42 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 7/31/2012 5:37 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: So, to be clear, has anyone simply mounted the drive ( or used the vendor's mounting routine) and run both app and data as though it were a local drive letter? Lew, Do you mean the Foxpro tables (is that what you're using on the backend?) are on that cloud drive? I'm betting that'd suck for performance. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAFuU78dZt3eQUdFNJfGUncPNOfs=m5id8vzkanl_e1pa5e8...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On 7/31/2012 5:49 PM, M Jarvis wrote: Like MB said, I suspect performance will be lacking... perhaps the EXE running local w/ data on the cloud would be acceptable, especially if it's just a single user app like you described... I can hear Steve Russell now. Dot Net Cloud Service! g -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50185371.9080...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Hadn't though of dropbox, but it's an idea. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:49 PM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? Lew- looks like 'cloud' means different things to different people... In my case I have a DropBox account and it installs a folder on your local desktop under Documents and Settings\username\My Documents... never thought to RUN anything from there, so just now copied an EXE (the CutePDF installer) and it fired up. I think you're just going to have to drop the runtimes and your EXE/data on your cloud mapped drive and see how it works Like MB said, I suspect performance will be lacking... perhaps the EXE running local w/ data on the cloud would be acceptable, especially if it's just a single user app like you described... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAFuU78eWsdYf_7OcPXX9wkhf0jW1MyqBg7GFyMuqxQCO=ue...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Doesn't MS already have an offering in place? On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:51 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 7/31/2012 5:49 PM, M Jarvis wrote: Like MB said, I suspect performance will be lacking... perhaps the EXE running local w/ data on the cloud would be acceptable, especially if it's just a single user app like you described... I can hear Steve Russell now. Dot Net Cloud Service! g -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAFuU78eVs32_7brbbRC=-b-uqb3bk52dhrunpxk5nbloyxq...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: Hadn't though of dropbox, but it's an idea. Actually, I think I was wrong about DropBox being true 'cloud'... My files are stored locally on my machine, and synced to the DropBox server so they are accessible from anywhere... but to point at the dir I mentioned prior is pointing at the local drive, not at DropBox. My bad... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/capt54rygsornzldp2ok72x+czdrpnvqqaxr--hk6jrkzprs...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:51 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 7/31/2012 5:49 PM, M Jarvis wrote: Like MB said, I suspect performance will be lacking... perhaps the EXE running local w/ data on the cloud would be acceptable, especially if it's just a single user app like you described... I can hear Steve Russell now. Dot Net Cloud Service! g -- No it is you want to print with that? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmyj5wwjugtq50_oo0mv2pwqax5dnkpgyqc1_ymq8zpe...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
I'm really not sure what's actually on the backend for the cloud. (not Rackspace cloud). All I know is everyone logs into a central server and is balanced out to an actual server. Each server is Windows 2008/R2 server OS (12GB ram), but I don't know if it's virtual or otherwise. Certain people do have specific addresses they can use to be on a specific server if need be. The data (VFP tables and SQL data) are on 2 separate servers within the cloud space. We only see those as drives mapped within the cloud and are not accessible locally. Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:45 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 7/31/2012 5:38 PM, Fred Taylor wrote: Not so that it's noticeable. We had a sever problem with generating/printing large reports early on (10-1 slower) but I'm pretty sure that's not as big a problem as it used to be. At least I don't hear the complaints as often, anyways. ;) The printing was local, and what was a 3 minute report generation time, was around 30 minutes. I think it's 3-5 minutes now. Generating emails (via Outlook) had a similar problem that's since been resolved, too. (And just for Ed, RackSpace hosts our email Exchange server). So the users all dial into the same computer address, but I'm guessing it's some sort of Citrix like setup (as opposed to them each having a computer remotely--which of course makes NO sense)? Are they using VM for this stuff? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajcbkspu1sij-rjs2+r79ig-stc9f4i5crbjx1ncjiqm8qq...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:49 PM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? Lew- looks like 'cloud' means different things to different people... Yeah I see the cloud as a collection of servers to hold your apps and data and keep them AVAILABLE to user requests. This includes changing with load swings to keep my costs down as much as possible. I can't see how VFP data could ever run in the cloud and you can just Select * from a dbf. Then have multiple people do the same thing at the same time. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYKvWF0d5pEzEEJdYKTLejspf7q4UVn=oh1yjuxdusq...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
I think you're talking something more like www.livedrive.com. Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: If the cloud is mounted as a drive can you skip the RDP? -Lew Schwartz On Jul 31, 2012 4:50 PM, Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com wrote: Really depends on the number of users. We moved several VFP apps to the cloud with about 125-150 users. Not quite sure how many servers that's spread across on the cloud, but I think it's at least 6 servers (4 for user logins and 2 for data). Everything accessed from RDP (remote desktop). Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajcbksraphy1vdsvvkqhchnzwjefrghu+eugv9q0crzb+oc...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
Our VFP data is on a server within the cloud space. The user apps are spread across multiple servers, but the data is all in one place so SELECT * FROM table certainly does work and is multi-user as normal. Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:49 PM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Lew Schwartz lew1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a potential client who will need to move app and data to a cloud service. Does anyone have some experience or observations to share on this kind of thing? Lew- looks like 'cloud' means different things to different people... Yeah I see the cloud as a collection of servers to hold your apps and data and keep them AVAILABLE to user requests. This includes changing with load swings to keep my costs down as much as possible. I can't see how VFP data could ever run in the cloud and you can just Select * from a dbf. Then have multiple people do the same thing at the same time. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJCBksqpRsxo-1tDkC+zv2sRDEdBB=u6unyb4padjf6a3ln...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Any one put an app in a cloud?
We have clients using our VFP9 SP2 app in the cloud with RDP access. In fact, our company uses a modified version of our software for some of our bookkeeping and tracking clients. It works very well. My only regret is that we did not do it long ago. I am pretty sure we do not have any installations as large as Fred described. Ours are more like 4-15 users and so were very easy. Everyone already knew how to use our software so there was almost no training at all. We have quite a few clients that have Windows 2003, 2010, etc with terminal services and so they already knew how to use RDP. It is much faster than accessing with a network and is the only acceptable solution for remote access. We have experience with 2 vendors and both work well. I checked with RackSpace and they are competitve. The only reason we did not go with Rackspace is that they do not provide the client RDP license so you are limited to 2 users unless you purchase client licenses somewhere. With Windows 2010 R2 server you can only access with 2 simultaneous users without purchasing licenses. We did not want to get in the middle of that. We prefer to 'rent' the license. If you search for 'terminal server' outsourcing, you will find vendors that 'rent' the license month to month. The really great thing about outsourcing is that it is very easy to grow if needed. We had some clients who had local hardware maintenance people who always said every issue was ours when it was obviously a hardware issue. That problem is eliminated. Of course, the client may still need some local hardware help with printing and similar issues. The RDP client works full speed with older, limited hardware. It will seem expensive when you first check it out, however, if you add up the cost of the hardware, maintenance, licenses, floor space and hassle it may be cheap. - Original Message - From: Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Any one put an app in a cloud? Not so that it's noticeable. We had a sever problem with generating/printing large reports early on (10-1 slower) but I'm pretty sure that's not as big a problem as it used to be. At least I don't hear the complaints as often, anyways. ;) The printing was local, and what was a 3 minute report generation time, was around 30 minutes. I think it's 3-5 minutes now. Generating emails (via Outlook) had a similar problem that's since been resolved, too. (And just for Ed, RackSpace hosts our email Exchange server). Fred On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:17 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:50 PM, Fred Taylor wrote: Really depends on the number of users. We moved several VFP apps to the cloud with about 125-150 users. Not quite sure how many servers that's spread across on the cloud, but I think it's at least 6 servers (4 for user logins and 2 for data). Everything accessed from RDP (remote desktop). So each user RDP's into a location and runs the app that way? It's using VFP tables for it's backend? Any performance lag with the RDP approach? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/018d01cd6f69$61de24d0$7a00a8c0@w2k3s02 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
