RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-12 Thread Alan Bourke
OK, that's one app busted by IE7. First I've heard of. Not bad
considering the size of the rollout.
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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-12 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/12/07, Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK, that's one app busted by IE7. First I've heard of. Not bad
 considering the size of the rollout.
 --
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QuickBooks Professional 2003 and others.
Dreamweaver 8 (patched in 8.0.2)
Eudora
Roxio DVD Builder
Earthlink Spam Blocker

A Google search on application broken IE7 yields 436,000

Not bad for an urgent update eh?

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-12 Thread Alan Bourke
OK, that's 5. I doubt there's 436,000 distinct applications that it
busted either! I still think, given the installed userbase of IE, that
it has been pretty painless. 
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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-12 Thread Hal Kaplan
= Subject: Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7
= 
= OK, that's 5. I doubt there's 436,000 distinct applications 
= that it busted either! I still think, given the installed 
= userbase of IE, that it has been pretty painless. 
= -- 
= 
=   Alan Bourke

Did anyone mention AOL Mail?

Having spent many years on the OS-producing side of the fence, let me point out 
that it is not fair to categorically blame every failure on IE7.  

If IE6 was working according to spec and the spec has changed, then IE7 is at 
fault.

If IE7 is not working according to its spec, then it is at fault as well.

If the app used IE6 in a way inconsistent with its spec and that situation is 
not allowed in IE7, then the app is at fault.

I am not aware of any analysis that goes beyond It's broken! has been 
performed to determine the actual culpability in any of these cases.

Let's remember that the little people who produced IE7 are smart, 
hard-working people very much like the rest of us.  Even though we may like to 
bash Microsoft (and frequently with justification), it is our colleagues in the 
trenches who suffer as well.

Foxers should know better than most how easily a few bad words from a selfish, 
uncaring source can create a very unpleasant situation.

B+
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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-11 Thread John Weller
Now I understand

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 For those not in the know,
 
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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-11 Thread Hal Kaplan
 
= Subject: RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7
= 
= 
= There is no need to thank me for this exposition.
= 
= Or reason to.
= 
= Ken Dibble

Exactly!  

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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Crozier
Richard,

My Version which run with XP: 

Ipswitch WS_FTP Professional 2007.0.0.0. - 2006.06.22

And I don't have the problem.

Dave Crozier

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My mistake. I am running 2007 and it does happen to me. Version 2007 
0.0.0-2006.06.22. They must have patched it at some point.

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Richard,
 It certainly doesn't happen with the 2007 version so I gues they have
fixed
 it.

 Dave Crozier

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 I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
 run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word Never! and a 
 yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
 computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
 the link on how to work around it

 http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WS-20060811-SP01.htm

   

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Man-wai CHANG
 run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word Never! and a 
 yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 

Did you try FileZilla? It's free and has both a server and a client.

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread MB Software Solutions
Jaime Vasquez wrote:
 For your eyes pleasure:


 http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png
   

Wanna bet that we've all got some code like that somewhere in our past 
apps where we use something like this and preface it with a comment 
saying This should never happen!;-)

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Richard Kaye
I renamed the DLL referenced in their KB article and it works fine for 
me now. I even put it back so I could get Whil his screenshot. Glad I 
don't have to debug something like this...

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Richard,

 My Version which run with XP: 

 Ipswitch WS_FTP Professional 2007.0.0.0. - 2006.06.22

 And I don't have the problem.

 Dave Crozier

   

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Ted Roche
On 1/9/07, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks -- I never knew that -- but, I was just quoting an apparently-
 too-obscure reference.


And these people don't know where it's from? Barbarians!

Well, I can't tell you. Ha, ha, ha.

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
 On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:38 PM, John Weller wrote:
 
 (What's a 'Cubit'?)

 The distance from the end of the fingers to the elbow - generally  
 taken to
 be 18.
 
 Thanks -- I never knew that -- but, I was just quoting an apparently- 
 too-obscure reference.

Au contraire.

And _I_ can tread water for a loong time. s

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
MB Software Solutions wrote:
 Jaime Vasquez wrote:
 For your eyes pleasure:


 http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png
   
 
 Wanna bet that we've all got some code like that somewhere in our past 
 apps where we use something like this and preface it with a comment 
 saying This should never happen!;-)

My messagebox in those situations say

   Something bad happened.

I used to put Oh shit! in the title bar of the messagebox, too, until 
a customer called one day to tell me they ran into it

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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Hart
My particular favourite is Shoot the programmer which came back to
haunt me some 5 years after a project was completed

Cheers
Peter

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Jaime Vasquez wrote:
 For your eyes pleasure:


 http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png
   

Wanna bet that we've all got some code like that somewhere in our past 
apps where we use something like this and preface it with a comment 
saying This should never happen!;-)

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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread John Weller
My email is playing up - I didn't get the initial reference.  I'm getting
some emails way out of time so I see replies anything up to two days before
the initial post!

John Weller
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 On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:38 PM, John Weller wrote:

  (What's a 'Cubit'?)
 
 
  The distance from the end of the fingers to the elbow - generally
  taken to
  be 18.

 Thanks -- I never knew that -- but, I was just quoting an apparently-
 too-obscure reference.




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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread John Weller
 Jaime Vasquez wrote:
  For your eyes pleasure:
 
 
  http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png

 
 Wanna bet that we've all got some code like that somewhere in our past 
 apps where we use something like this and preface it with a comment 
 saying This should never happen!;-)
 


Guilty as charged M'Lud

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631 
 


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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Hal Kaplan
In Islamic societies, where digitectomies are often performed, the
traditional definition of cubit is highly susceptible to variations.

Fermat's Theorem takes a different approach to cubit but it is yet to
be proven.

The histories suggest that the cubit is an ancient Egyptian measurement
adopted for measuring the length of pythons because of the ubiquity of
elbows and manual digits and the close approximation to the bending
radius of mature pythons.  Since pi had not yet been discovered, the
cubit was widely used.

Incidentally, if you have a square that is one foot in length on each
side, the length of that diagonal of that square is exactly one cubit as
defined by the flooring installers convention of 1954.  This can be
proven using the Pythagorean theorem of right triangles. 
12x12+12x12=17x17 (give or take).

There is no need to thank me for this exposition.

B+
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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread vbiersch

not having dsl anymore I'm really noticing it

thought it was because I'm using the treo a lot but apparently that is not it
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John Weller wrote:
 My email is playing up - I didn't get the initial reference.  I'm getting
 some emails way out of time so I see replies anything up to two days before
 the initial post!

   

Ditto here!

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Jerry Wolper
 For your eyes pleasure:

Gracias.

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:33 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

 And these people don't know where it's from? Barbarians!

 Well, I can't tell you. Ha, ha, ha.

I was just about to say I bet Whil does then I read the next message. 


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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

 Au contraire.

 And _I_ can tread water for a loong time. s

Riiight!? Who is this really?




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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Ken Dibble


On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

  Au contraire.
 
  And _I_ can tread water for a loong time. s

Riiight!? Who is this really?

Same guy who left the bread crumbs in the water bottle.

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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Ken Dibble
At 12:28 PM 1/10/07, you wrote:
In Islamic societies, where digitectomies are often performed, the
traditional definition of cubit is highly susceptible to variations.

Fermat's Theorem takes a different approach to cubit but it is yet to
be proven.

The histories suggest that the cubit is an ancient Egyptian measurement
adopted for measuring the length of pythons because of the ubiquity of
elbows and manual digits and the close approximation to the bending
radius of mature pythons.  Since pi had not yet been discovered, the
cubit was widely used.

Incidentally, if you have a square that is one foot in length on each
side, the length of that diagonal of that square is exactly one cubit as
defined by the flooring installers convention of 1954.  This can be
proven using the Pythagorean theorem of right triangles.
12x12+12x12=17x17 (give or take).

There is no need to thank me for this exposition.

Or reason to.

Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org



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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-10 Thread Ted Roche
For those not in the know,

http://www.jr.co.il/humor/noah4.txt

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread MB Software Solutions
Richard Kaye wrote:
 I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
 run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word Never! and a 
 yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
 computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
 the link on how to work around it

 http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WS-20060811-SP01.htm

   
Thanks for the warning.  I use WS-FTP all the time, but hadn't known 
about this.  Probably won't matter to me, since I'll just be using 
FireFox, but thanks nonetheless for the heads up!

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Richard Kaye wrote:
 I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
 run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word Never! and a 
 yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
 computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
 the link on how to work around it
 
 http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WS-20060811-SP01.htm
 

I would love a screen shot of the 'never!' message. s

Whil


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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread Dave Crozier
Richard,
It certainly doesn't happen with the 2007 version so I gues they have fixed
it.

Dave Crozier

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I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word Never! and a 
yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
the link on how to work around it

http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WS-20060811-SP01.htm

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

 I would love a screen shot of the 'never!' message. s

I always thought a great error message would be: RIIIGHT!

(What's a 'Cubit'?)

Ken


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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread John Weller

 (What's a 'Cubit'?)


The distance from the end of the fingers to the elbow - generally taken to
be 18.

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread Richard Kaye
My mistake. I am running 2007 and it does happen to me. Version 2007 
0.0.0-2006.06.22. They must have patched it at some point.

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Richard,
 It certainly doesn't happen with the 2007 version so I gues they have fixed
 it.

 Dave Crozier

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 Subject: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

 I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
 run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word Never! and a 
 yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
 computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
 the link on how to work around it

 http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WS-20060811-SP01.htm

   

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RE: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread Dave Crozier
Richard,
I'm not at workat the minute but I'll find out the version of the 2007
program we are using tomorrow.

Dave Crozier


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My mistake. I am running 2007 and it does happen to me. Version 2007 
0.0.0-2006.06.22. They must have patched it at some point.

Dave Crozier wrote:
 Richard,
 It certainly doesn't happen with the 2007 version so I gues they have
fixed
 it.

 Dave Crozier

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 Sent: 09 January 2007 14:34
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 Subject: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

 I finally bit the bullet recently and updated to IE7. When I tried to 
 run WS-FTP 2006, I got a message box displaying the Word Never! and a 
 yellow triangle. Like one of those things you see in the back pages of 
 computer mags. For anyone using WS-FTP, this is a known issue. Here's 
 the link on how to work around it

 http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WS-20060811-SP01.htm

   

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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:38 PM, John Weller wrote:

 (What's a 'Cubit'?)


 The distance from the end of the fingers to the elbow - generally  
 taken to
 be 18.

Thanks -- I never knew that -- but, I was just quoting an apparently- 
too-obscure reference.

Ken


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Re: [NF] Another app broken by IE7

2007-01-09 Thread Jaime Vasquez
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
 
 I would love a screen shot of the 'never!' message. s
 
 Whil
 

For your eyes pleasure:


http://www.thedatafarm.com/blog/content/binary/wsftpnever.png




Jaime Vasquez


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