Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-23 Thread Allen

lol
Being non religious I call OT on happy Christmas messages
Also just kidding.
Al

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Just pulling your leg in defense of those times when I am called out for 
non-[OT]

Nicholas Geti


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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-22 Thread Nicholas Geti
Just pulling your leg in defense of those times when I am called out for 
non-[OT]

Nicholas Geti

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From: "Allen" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: Anybody Heard About This?



I would think NF but not OT myself
Al

-Original Message- 
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profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: Anybody Heard About This?

Hey. Where is the [OT]? Please.


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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-22 Thread Allen

I would think NF but not OT myself
Al

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Subject: Re: Anybody Heard About This? 


Hey. Where is the [OT]? Please.

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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-21 Thread Nicholas Geti

Hey. Where is the [OT]? Please.


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From: "M Jarvis" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:27 PM
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>

Store says perfect shopper here, carry on.



Ya know, not trying to go all paranoid here, but some day they are
going to be able to aggregate all our data... where and when we shop,
what we buy, how much...

Bought laundry soap six months ago... tonight buy some more... 5 1/2
months from now miraculously get a coupon in mail/email for laundry
soap...

But if they were doing this already I'd be getting a constant stream
of beer vouchers  




--
Matt Jarvis
Eugene, Oregon USA


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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-21 Thread M Jarvis
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Bob Lee  wrote:
>   I am afraid. Is already here.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_basket_analysis
> Marketers track everything they can about you already.
>

beer and diapers?? trust me, I don't drink THAT much  

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RE: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-21 Thread Bob Lee
  I am afraid. Is already here. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_basket_analysis
Marketers track everything they can about you already.   

Bob Lee  


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From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:27 PM
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>
> Store says perfect shopper here, carry on.
>

Ya know, not trying to go all paranoid here, but some day they are going to
be able to aggregate all our data... where and when we shop, what we buy,
how much...

Bought laundry soap six months ago... tonight buy some more... 5 1/2 months
from now miraculously get a coupon in mail/email for laundry soap...

But if they were doing this already I'd be getting a constant stream of beer
vouchers  




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Matt Jarvis
Eugene, Oregon USA

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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-21 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Bob Lee  wrote:

> Its really not different than what Target does, by using the hidden
> camera's
> watching how long each of us spend in the various isles, knowing what the
> normal path is though their maze of a store.
>

I'd like to see them track *my* shopping pattern:

My wife needs some ski mittons.

1. I see some outdoors wear items. "Oh, this is the hunters' section." She
doesn't care for camo or blaze orange. Darn.

2. Try to find the women's department. Wander (apparently) aimlessly.

3. "Oh, there is the women's department." Hmmm, jackets, a display of hats,
but no gloves or mittens. 

4. Maybe I missed the "normal" ones in the hunter department.

5. Walking back to Hunters, passing through the boys and girls departments,
I notice portable displays with mittens and gloves. Hmmm, maybe I missed
them.

6. Back to Women -- search -- nope.

7. See a display of work gloves and clothes. Naw,

8. Back to Hunting. Wander. Nope.

9. Back to women. On the way:

10. "Oh, heck: she wanted some hand warmers, too." I saw those by the
Hunting stuff. Back to hunting. Got some.

11. Back to Women's. "I must have missed them." Wander. 

12. "Gee, I wonder if work mittens would be OK?" Walk over to that
department.

13. Across the isle, a whole section of gloves (95%) and mittens. 

14. Find only a few pair of reasonable ones. H: Large or Medium? "Gee
the Large look *Huge*"; pick Medium.

15. Pay and flee for my life.

Get home, wife says you got Large, right. . Back to #1.

Folks, I wish I made *any* of this up. If anything, I missed a few steps.



Ken


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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-21 Thread Alan Bourke


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Jerry Wolper wrote:
> > We are being watched,  in stores, why not for our activities on
> > line. ?  
> 

Well, the assumption there is that being watched in stores is a good
thing, for anything other than in-store security reasons.

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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread AndyHC
Ok, I see - so it picks up a graphic (I'm guessing 1 pixel will do) from 
a website which logs the visit (like you see Google doing repeatedly). 
Shouldn't be too difficult to script, I might play around with that.


  AndyD  8-)#

On 20/12/2012 22:58, Alan Bourke wrote:


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012, at 04:55 PM, AndyHC wrote:

I'm missing something here - I think every email client I have ever used
had >option>return receipt.


What this does is return a notification to the sender that the recipient
has opened the mail, without any knowledge or intervention required by
the recipient. Basically if you are the recipient and your mail client
can display emails with embedded graphics, and you haven't turned off
the option to display them*, then this thing will work.


Or been a bit more clever and blocked it at a firewall level etc.


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RE: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Jerry Wolper
> We are being watched,  in stores, why not for our activities on
> line. ?  

I'm not thrilled about being tracked that way in stores, or about 
having my purchases tracked and analyzed. I feel the same way online, 
where I (should) have more control about what comes and goes from my 
machine.

-Jerry

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RE: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Bob Lee
Its really not different than what Target does, by using the hidden camera's
watching how long each of us spend in the various isles, knowing what the
normal path is though their maze of a store.  

We are being watched,  in stores, why not for our activities on line. ?  
Most large companies know could tell you how many times you have visited
their site, what searches you did on their site, how many pages you saw, 
When you log on and so on.  

That  way they can create individual marketing campaigns based on what you
seem to want. 

Bob Lee  


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Subject: Re: Anybody Heard About This?

On 12/20/2012 10:27 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Bob Lee  wrote:
>> Do a search on "marketing automation", companies like Marketo, and 
>> Perdot etc, have taken this concept to really interesting levels.
>>
>
> Where you can substitute "deeply disturbing" for "interesting."

ROFLMAO  Indeed!


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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 12/20/2012 10:27 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Bob Lee  wrote:

Do a search on "marketing automation", companies like Marketo, and Perdot
etc, have taken this concept to really interesting levels.



Where you can substitute "deeply disturbing" for "interesting."


ROFLMAO  Indeed!


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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Paul McNett
On 12/20/12 9:28 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> What this does is return a notification to the sender that the recipient
> has opened the mail, without any knowledge or intervention required by
> the recipient. Basically if you are the recipient and your mail client
> can display emails with embedded graphics, and you haven't turned off
> the option to display them*, then this thing will work.

Displaying remote images has been disabled by default in Thunderbird for ages, 
if not
always.

Paul



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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Alan Bourke


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012, at 04:55 PM, AndyHC wrote:
> I'm missing something here - I think every email client I have ever used 
> had >option>return receipt.
> 

What this does is return a notification to the sender that the recipient
has opened the mail, without any knowledge or intervention required by
the recipient. Basically if you are the recipient and your mail client
can display emails with embedded graphics, and you haven't turned off
the option to display them*, then this thing will work.


Or been a bit more clever and blocked it at a firewall level etc.

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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Oke, II
Sure but most clients allow you to suppress the sending of same. 


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On Dec 20, 2012, at 8:55 AM, AndyHC  wrote:

> I'm missing something here - I think every email client I have ever used had 
> >option>return receipt.
> 
>  AndyD  8-)#
> 
> On 20/12/2012 21:04, Paul McNett wrote:
>> I guess javascript would have to be enabled in the email reader to track 
>> things like
>> how long the email is open and where the mouse is hovering, etc.
> 
> 
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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread AndyHC
I'm missing something here - I think every email client I have ever used 
had >option>return receipt.


  AndyD  8-)#

On 20/12/2012 21:04, Paul McNett wrote:

I guess javascript would have to be enabled in the email reader to track things 
like
how long the email is open and where the mouse is hovering, etc.





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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Alan Bourke
Pretty cool how it works - however if it's still using a hidden image
then it won't work for anyone who reads mail in text-only form, or has
auto download of images turned off, and so on.

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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Paul McNett
I guess javascript would have to be enabled in the email reader to track things 
like
how long the email is open and where the mouse is hovering, etc.

On 12/20/12 6:46 AM, Bob Lee wrote:
> This technology has been around for years.  
> Marketers use it every second, to track how many emails are opened and by
> whom, how long the email remains open, if links are clicked..  
> 
> Do a search on "marketing automation", companies like Marketo, and Perdot
> etc, have taken this concept to really interesting levels. 
> 
> Bob Lee  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:24 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Anybody Heard About This?
> 
> http://www.msgtag.com/home/
> 
> It sounds like it does a return receipt on email without user intervention.
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff
> 
> ---
> 
> Jeff Johnson
> j...@san-dc.com
> (623) 582-0323
> 
> www.san-dc.com
> www.arelationshipmanager.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Paul McNett
So basically to read the message I need to follow a link to a website, right? 
And how
is 'received' defined:

1) my email server received the message from readnotify.com
2) my email server scripts placed it in my inbox (as opposed to spam)
3) my email client program downloaded that messages header and I can see it in 
my inbox.

If I don't need to visit a remote site to read the email, and it isn't #1 above,
please do send me an email at r...@paulmcnett.com.

Paul

On 12/19/12 4:43 PM, Sytze de Boer wrote:
> I'm not sure if I'm on same wavelength, but I use a system called ReadNotify
> 
> There are times when, for legal reasons, I need to be able to prove you
> have received AND read my email.
> I send the email tosome...@somewhere.readnotify.com
> I then get a message when they've received it, and when they've read it.
> 
> It has helped me out on 3 occasions where, without it, I could have cost me
> big time.
> 
> Works a treat. It's a bit like we used to do in the old days when you could
> send a letter and have the person sign it to say they'd received it.
> Except, in this instance, they don't know they've "told" me.
> 
> If you think it doesn't work, send me your email address and I'll send you
> a copy of the report I receive
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Paul McNett  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/19/12 2:23 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>>> http://www.msgtag.com/home/
>>>
>>> It sounds like it does a return receipt on email without user
>> intervention.
>>
>> I'm fairly certain that if someone sent me such a message, Thunderbird
>> would warn me
>> that it thinks the message is a scam..
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-20 Thread Bob Lee
This technology has been around for years.  
Marketers use it every second, to track how many emails are opened and by
whom, how long the email remains open, if links are clicked..  

Do a search on "marketing automation", companies like Marketo, and Perdot
etc, have taken this concept to really interesting levels. 

Bob Lee  


-Original Message-
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Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:24 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Anybody Heard About This?

http://www.msgtag.com/home/

It sounds like it does a return receipt on email without user intervention.


--
Jeff

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(623) 582-0323

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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-19 Thread Sytze de Boer
I'm not sure if I'm on same wavelength, but I use a system called ReadNotify

There are times when, for legal reasons, I need to be able to prove you
have received AND read my email.
I send the email tosome...@somewhere.readnotify.com
I then get a message when they've received it, and when they've read it.

It has helped me out on 3 occasions where, without it, I could have cost me
big time.

Works a treat. It's a bit like we used to do in the old days when you could
send a letter and have the person sign it to say they'd received it.
Except, in this instance, they don't know they've "told" me.

If you think it doesn't work, send me your email address and I'll send you
a copy of the report I receive




On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Paul McNett  wrote:

> On 12/19/12 2:23 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> > http://www.msgtag.com/home/
> >
> > It sounds like it does a return receipt on email without user
> intervention.
>
> I'm fairly certain that if someone sent me such a message, Thunderbird
> would warn me
> that it thinks the message is a scam..
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-19 Thread Paul McNett
On 12/19/12 2:23 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> http://www.msgtag.com/home/
> 
> It sounds like it does a return receipt on email without user intervention.

I'm fairly certain that if someone sent me such a message, Thunderbird would 
warn me
that it thinks the message is a scam..

Paul



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Re: Anybody Heard About This?

2012-12-19 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Interesting Jeff! Although - I must say - this was my favorite part on 
the website:
"A few MSGTAG users have even told us that they use read proof to figure 
out who is serious on dating sites. Did she really not get the email, or 
is she not that keen? With MSGTAG email tracking you now have read proof 
you need to meet the love of your life. :) "


L8r,
-K-


On 12/19/2012 5:23 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:

http://www.msgtag.com/home/

It sounds like it does a return receipt on email without user 
intervention.






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