[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Aug-26
Very short meeting today: Present: Heiko, Kendy, Jay (but with technical problems) Google Summer of Code * @all GSoC students: ESC asks for documentation of UI changes, which is important and required, please write at least a few bullet points and get in touch with the docu team (@ohallot, #libreoffice-doc) + Acknowledged PLEASE SUMBIT HELP/DOCUMENTATION/RELEASE NOTES TO DOCUMENTATION TEAM! * Suggested contents (Olivier): + Short introduction + How to access the function/feature, toolbar, menu, kbd + Description of the feature (the more the better) + Tips, warnings + Related topics All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-29
* Present: Heiko, Samuel, Tomaz, Kendy * GSoC + https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/dashboard/ + Approved UI projects: + Improve user experience with Table Styles (mentors: dev - kendy/miklos, ui - jay/heiko) + Review of the Area Fill dialog (mentors: dev Bubli , ui - jay/heiko) + Redesigning the Template Manager (mentors: dev - samuel, ui - jay) + Review of Sidebar and it's functionality (mentors: dev Bubli , ui - jay) + Infrastructure for defining toolbars via .ui (Glade) files (mentors: dev - kendy/samuel, ui - heiko) + Started a weekly update meeting with Rishabh (Area Fill project) and Bubli like in SCRUM + what has been done, what is planned, where are the bottlenecks + sounds great (Kendy) + encourage your students to hack already, bonding by producing code is best :-) (Kendy) * Draw (Heiko) + Started to create metabugs for better organization (tdf#99563, tdf#99525) * Sidebar survey (Heiko) + No complaints about the proposed guidelines + Added to the HIG at the wiki * Help content (Jay / Kendy) + http://vm173.documentfoundation.org/ + Olivier updated the xslt so that it produces a list of keywords now (Kendy) + see eg. http://vm173.documentfoundation.org/text/swriter/main.xhp + not sorted yet, but a good direction of developments I think :-) (Kendy) * needsUXEval (Heiko / Kendy) + now it is not necessary to use the 'ux-advise' component any more + instead, add the 'needsUXEval' keyword, and the ux-advice@ ML will be CC'd + should we kill the 'ux-advise' component? (Samuel) + probably not yet, as it shows which bugs are untriaged (Kendy) + but when we move them to the neesUXEval keyword, then yes (Kendy) * Tabs etc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99528 + http://i.imgur.com/aLP247v.png + Three options for navigation right now: tabs (e.g. paragraph style), tree (options), and icon view (hyperlink) + We should have one way of presentation (Heiko) * Calc Default Header (Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99296 + Clearing the text (Table1/Page1) doesn't solve the issue since empty space remains + Disabling the header/footer by default is better (Tomaz, Samuel, Heiko) + Worries that people can find the setting (Samuel) + Excel has no header/footer, let's do the same (Kendy) + Will research a bit more, so that there is one place to set this (Samuel) * "Custom Animation" probably should be called just "Animation" (Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95387 + agreed to change (all) * Drop the term "Manager" (Samuel) + Template Manager -> Templates + Extension Manager -> Extensions + Are there more? + agree (all) + Problem with "Extensions" and "Add-Ons" in the same menu then, postpone this * Add-Ons vs Extensions (Samuel) + Term "Add-Ons" used once: http://i.imgur.com/qpK5AsK.png + Rename Add-ons to Extensions and move Extensions Manager into this submenu + rename to Organize Extensions (like for Makro) (Heiko) + Drawback is a submenu with only one item by default (Samuel) * Shortcut for Extension Manager (Jay) + Is Ctrl + Alt + E a good shortcut? https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/23376/ + no objections on the ML, so pushed that (Samuel) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-08
* Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy * GSoC + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/dashboard/ + if you are a mentor, please touch the [I want to mentor this] button for projects you like + even UX people can mentor / co-mentor, big part of the work is non-technical + asking about the status, checking the results from the high-level point of view etc. + and a developer can help with the code pointers / review of the code + worked well the last year [co-mentoring Jay + Bubli] (Jay) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + blog post published - https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/04/01/the-many-faced-god-part-1-how-libreoffice-draw-is-being-utilized/ + a comment suggested a public place where ideas are collected, and voted for + ~impossible in a good way (Heiko) + easy to say "want Impress like Blender" - easy to say, but impossible amount of work (Heiko) + but some good ideas there + eg. about connectors, will create a proposal (Heiko) + GSoC ideas for the next year would be the best place (Kendy) + will go through the bugzilla tickets & sort this better (Heiko) * Sidebar survey + first results (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/SidebarUsage + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XknvPqz58hYc_NeY2-Ky-L92MkLdYqs7SJCCxC3DX6w/edit?usp=sharing + finished + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XknvPqz58hYc_NeY2-Ky-L92MkLdYqs7SJCCxC3DX6w/edit#heading=h.rwnqe5haxk5v + many people reviewed, some open questions + as it affects the HIGs, important (Heiko) + OTOH - if we change the HIGs, it is not for the eternity, if something needs to be changed after it is implemented & tested in real world, we can adapt etc. (Kendy) + some disagreement in the HIG update, will talk it through between Heiko / Jay / Stuart + mostly around switching context + conclusion: Remove the controversial parts from the HIG update part, and run a design session for that * Single Toolbar Mode & Notebookbar (Jay/Samuel) + notebookbar.ui in Writer was updated + some cleanups in SidebarToolBox, to move useful stuff to ToolBox directly (Kendy) + configurability is important (Heiko) + some possibilities there, but hard to do everything in the GSoC timeframe (Kendy) * Shortcut for Extension Manager (Jay) + Is Ctrl + Alt + E a good shortcut? https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/23376/ * Help content (Jay) + still no VM from the infra team, would help here (Jay) * Blog (Heiko) + spam now removed automatically, thanks! (Kendy) + works better for Heiko too - thanks Italo! :-) (Heiko) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01
* Present: Akshay, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Susobhan * GSoC + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/dashboard/ + if you are a mentor, please touch the [I want to mentor this] button for projects you like + even UX people can mentor / co-mentor, big part of the work is non-technical (Kendy) + asking about the status, checking the results from the high-level point of view etc. + and a developer can help with the code pointers / review of the code + worked well the last year [co-mentoring Jay + Bubli] (Jay) + UI Proposals + Application Themes + Improve The Special Characters Dialogue in LibreOffice + Improve user experience with Table Styles (mentors: dev - kendy/miklos(?), ui - ) + Improving the TOC-dialog + Review of the Area Fill dialog (mentors: dev Bubli , ui - ) + Redesigning the Template Manager (mentors: dev - , ui - ) + Review of Sidebar and it's functionality (mentors: dev Bubli , ui - ) + Infrastructure for defining toolbars via .ui (Glade) files (mentors: dev - kendy/samuel) * Bring back the legacy Save toolbar button as customization option? (Heiko) + Maxim sorted this out - thank you! :-) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + results finished, ready for publishing + many good ideas there * Sidebar survey + first results (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/SidebarUsage + finished + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XknvPqz58hYc_NeY2-Ky-L92MkLdYqs7SJCCxC3DX6w/edit#heading=h.rwnqe5haxk5v + hope to publish it the next week + please read it & review, will affect our HIG * Single Toolbar Mode & Notebookbar (Jay/Kendy) + the toolbar for single toolbar mode is in (Jay) + notebookbar code changed too (Kendy) + now it is possible to have different top-level .ui files in different apps, for example notebookbar.ui for Writer (Kendy) + would be good to do the single toolbar mode using a .ui file too at some stage, so that we can easily hide the 'classic' toolbars in the simplebar or notebookbar cases using the same code (Kendy) * Help content (Jay) + reviewed the xslt approach for now, like that it uses the same filter (with small tweaks) as the internal help (Kendy) + problem there though with importing from other .xhp files (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94017 e.g. https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Table - '7.1 Table AutoFormat' should be '8. Table AutoFormat' + will look at the PHP approach too (Kendy) * Blog (Heiko) + still badly spammed :-( + would be good to have a better anti-spam filter or so on the blog (if possible) + can you provide some data about how many people participated in the surveys so far? (Kendy) + not that easily, but will try (Heiko) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-03-11
* Present: Jakub, Jay, Kendy, Tomaz * UI changes integrated the last week: + Improvements in menus and shortcuts (Jay) + Updates in Sifr (Jay) + Popup menu improvements (Maxim) + Icon view for Remote files dialog (Szymon) + More animation information in list control (Akshay) * Google and OneDrive CMIS functionality (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98360 + we are promoting this functionality with the new 'Remote Files' dialog but as it doesnt function right, many duplicate bugs are just being filed and closed. + google drive - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98416 + onedrive - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62437 + send in patch to hide OneDrive - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/22881/ + Will discuss this in the ESC (Kendy) * Single Toolbar Mode (Jay/Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92218 + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/22818 + The idea was to have choice, not the default - right? (Kendy) + Yes, possibility to have only one row for the users that prefer such layout (Jay) + Created the xml file, hope to have a developer to switch easily (Jay) * Mac version with single color (Jay) * All icon themes look clearer on a plain white/light background similar to LibreOffice Vanilla https://www.collaboraoffice.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/libreoffice-vanilla-1-1024x640.png http://i.imgur.com/57IpwOI.png http://standardsandfreedom.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Osx-native-toolbar.jpg-1024x640.png + The reason for the white is technical - cannot use the API in the sandboxed app (Kendy) + Actually in the newer OS X, the look changed, but LibreOffice still uses the old look (Jay) + We try to look as a native application (Kendy) + But we don’t have to (Jay) + The easiest would be to do a uniform color (Jay) + Would be good to add screenshots of some contemporary OS X apps, to mimic the look better (Kendy) + Will ask Steve (Jay) + iWork - http://notebooks.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pages-tool-tips.jpg / http://tidbits.com/resources/2014-10/iwork-mac-toolbars.png / https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U3p_cTb0d80/maxresdefault.jpg + WPD Reader - http://a5.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple2/v4/a2/a0/b5/a2a0b5fa-10b8-479e-54b3-498543a7df88/screen800x500.jpeg * Help/Documentation (Jay) + Writer's Insert menu completed + Awesome! (Kendy) * Scripts to convert .xhp help to html (Jay) + Help test servers needed - https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1584 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1856 * PHP script created to render the help repo similar to Olivier's http://hc3.edx.srv.br/ * Want to integrate Liongold's PHP script of my proposal for online xhp testing, else i'll have to recreate it + Helper script to test help files in help viewer - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/22962 (needs to be pushed) + logerrit needed for help repo - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98488 + proposed to tender the editing of xhp's if struggle to get it via the community (Kendy) + Would be great to have the code in a repository (Kendy) + help or dev-tools or website repo ideally (Kendy) + Will publish that (Jay) + Will poke the admins for the VM again (Kendy) * Insert bookmark window (Jakub) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90855 + Screenshot - http://imgur.com/7uOROsr + Unable to change bookmark name (Jakub) + Should that be changed to allow that? (Jakub) + Would be good (Jay) + Will push changes to gerrit soon (Jakub) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-03-18
* Present: Akshay, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Samuel, Xaviju * UI changes integrated the last week: + Shortcuts improvements (Jay) + Allow multiple status bar functions at the same time (Dennis) + Various gtk3 fixes (Caolan) + Message missing from blank properties tab (Fabio) + Don't close the spellchecker when finished (Samuel) + Resize media and OLE objects proportionally by default (Samuel) + Track icon changes in the new menus (Maxim) + Galaxy anchor markers can be dragged again (Regina) + Mail merge workflow rework - new toolbar, removed some wizard steps (Kendy, Miklos) * GSoC + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + students appearing, good! + important to get a non-trivial Easy Hack done! (Kendy) + plus points for easy hacks in the areas the students are applying for (Kendy) * Bring back the legacy Save toolbar button as customization option? (Heiko) + Due to accessibility Ctrl+S is not enough, and the split option confuses sometimes (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98730) + Save as known from the main menu is not available in the customization + How to name this function to make the difference to the new Save clear (Ideas: "Just save", "Save directly", "Legacy Save", "Save Document") + the single button was changed from normal buttton to split button (Jay) + not possible to have the same command as split and non-split in the toolbar (Kendy) + but possible to have an additional button for 'normal' save (Kendy) + not sure I understand the core of the issue here though? (Kendy) + comment 10 + sounds like a very special use case (Samuel) + the initial proposal was to have a new .uno: command for the split button (Jay) + but in the end, it was implemented as an extension of .uno:Save (Jay) + conclusion: Let's create a separate bug report for this & easy-hackize it + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98745 + in there, .uno:Save would be non-split, and there will be an additional .uno:SaveExt that will have the split + maybe it's possible to use the command alias by Maxim (Samuel) + will try it (Jay) + with the alias, the alias will probably be the non-split variant - .uno:SaveLegacy or so (Jay/Kendy) + concern about the naming for the customization dialog (Heiko / Jay) * Sidebar survey + first results (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/SidebarUsage + users want freedom + and prefer static interfaces + needs more detailed analysis still (Heiko) + lots of free text too (Heiko) + can see the raw data? (Jay) + yes, attached there too (Heiko) + will finish the Draw survey first, then this (Heiko) + not urgent now, but good to have the data (Heiko) * Removal of the properties dialog in template mangager (Jay) + Akshay submited a patch to remove it as has no benefit https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/23339/ + apparently it shares Impress code some way (good) (Kendy) + but a bad way (bad) (Kendy) + you can modify it, have a toolbar there, etc. + there is a proposal for additional rework (Jay) + problems with the current one: toolbar that appears and disappears (Heiko) + would be better to not have the Properties, and instead the additional info in the sidebar or something (Heiko) + concern about tabs (Heiko) + they are gone in the proposal (Jay) + conclusion: Heiko and Jay will initiate a Design session to finalize the proposal + and then it's ready for implementation :-) + will subscribe to the Design ML (Akshay) * Google and OneDrive CMIS functionality (Jay) + discussed this in the ESC, Cloph is on this (Kendy) * Single Toolbar Mode (Jay/Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92218 + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/22818 + the concern was a specialized button to hide some toolbars, and show other (Samuel) + the mechanism was more about providing more kind of views - switch from toolbar-centric view to sidebar-centric (Jay) + some configurable way to have a 'sidebar mode', and 'toolbar mode'; and potentially 'single toolbar mode' - ideally with saving the previous state (Jay) + this goes nicely with https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas#Infrastructure_for_defining_toolbars_via_.ui_.28Glade.29_files (Kendy) + how the customization would be handled? (Heiko) + for the GSoC, we can do switching widgets on and off, but moving would be hard (Kendy) + possibility to use glade though (Kendy) + concern about the switching between the modes - is it useful for the user? (Heiko) + like, when they cannot
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-19
* Present: Heiko, Jan-Marek, Kendy, Samuel, Tomaž * GSoC is close again + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + needs to be filed in until the next Tue + Heiko will add the ideas there (/done) /done Area Fill, Table Styles, AutText, Bibliography + we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view + Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ... + design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog, print dialog https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8=sharing + done + redesign template manager https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + published and continued (will close on Friday, 19 February) https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/07/what-do-you-expect-from-draw/ http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12 + Results https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByWdNpQKVjM8bF91TGJCUXlFUk0 + many participants, over 1200 valid answers + first feelings: more people want improvements in the visio-like features, much less want publisher-like features + but many other interesting input too + Heiko will go deeper into the statistics + categorize the answers + extract the info... * Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek) + The side bar currently has a maximum size limit + problem for wollmux exension (Jan-Marek)sw/sdi/swriter.sdi + in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy) + we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-) (Kendy) AI: + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek) - http://snag.gy/e8550.jpg - http://snag.gy/Q6pvY.jpg - http://www.wollmux.net/wiki/WollMuxBar#Suchleiste + fan of the changes, just need to be careful - fixed size has some merit too (Stuart) + having a fixed/minimum value by default and allowing a sidebar extension dev to modify this value through api (Jay) + https://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/XDockableWindow.html + Sidebar Bug Reports (Stuart) The Sidebar Meta - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65138 Sidebar "philosophy" where it needs to go - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33223#c11 a key feature -- multiple & detatchable decks, and support in profile state https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67770 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85905 + basically now part of the UX team wants to give the flexibility, the other wants fixed size :-) + suggested a poll - to get more info what the users are expecting (Heiko) + actually cannot exactly make my mind either (Kendy) + have some casses that are annoying, but other than that, I'd be for freedom for extensions (Kendy) + concerned about moving input to the sidebar (Heiko) + let's try to collect useful use cases, and pros and cons for them (Kendy, Heiko) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ts5GlnrOGWcn7_V9naqRF-Ag9EWzFpsF6GwxH_uzzRw/edit?usp=sharing + would it be actually a big problem when different sidebar panels have different width? (Kendy) + added that as a questionto the poll + constantly changing side when jumping from one tab to the next isnt good UX (Jay) + will share the poll on the ML, when the questions are agreed, publish about the next week (Heiko) + What about changing the sidebar tab programatically (add API)? (Jan-Marek) + no objection from me (Kendy) + if the extension does things the user do not like, they'll de-install ;-) (Kendy) * Update Default font + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577 + Would be useful to change the default font in all apps rather than just impress (Jay) + Droid Sans, Serif, Mono (used on Android, available in Google Docs, available in ubuntu 12.04 & debian 6-backports) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid_fonts + Noto Sans, Serif, Cousine (droid derivative to fully cover all scripts in unicode, available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7)
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-05
* Present: * Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek) + The side bar currently has a maximum size limit + We would need more size to implement the WollMux form editor as a LibreOffice sidebar - On normal monitor, this means about 30-50% + Probably LO will get bug reports, if the sidebar is as large as the window and people can't edit? - Currently the side bar just collapses, if the whole Window get's smaller then the bar - You can already hide the whole edit window - It already decollapses, if the window becomes larger then the sidebar width again + 1. Idea: - increase the maximum limit + 2. Idea: - set a minimal size for the edit window and let the sidebar freely use the rest - already collapses the side bar, when the minimum is reached - preferred solution for us (Jan-Marek) + so only the maximal size, but not changing the default, right? (Kendy) + yes, the max size is the concern, currently the default is the minimum where widgets fit (Jan-Marek) + 2-3 bug reports currently open (Jay) + involved minimal and maximal size (Jay) + extending over the current max size does not give much additional value (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92317 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83526 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91915 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90374 + the user can already change the size of the side bar (Jan-Marek) + wanted to have fixed size for the sidebar (Jay) + the area is not utilized when too big (Jay) + sidebar not completely finished yet (Stuart) + the thing is - the sidebar wouldn't be bigger when the wolmux extension is not installed (Stuart) + when the user opens the document, gets an additional window (Jan-Marek) + formula edit entry in the extension (Jan-Marek) + like a kind of PDF editing, additional checking etc. (Jan-Marek) + but more stuff too - choosing documents etc. (Jan-Marek) + API in place for many things in the sidebar now (Stuart) + when we don't change the default, ie. it the sidebar gets bigger only when the extension is installed, that's fine for me (Kendy) + defined by the extension itself sounds fine to me too through api (Jay) + why don't you use dialog instead? (Heiko) + we actually discussed something similar previously - that the sidebar might be useful for functionality that we currenly have in non-modal dialogs (Kendy) + sidebar easy to abuse, be careful (Heiko) + the users want to see both the document and the functionality (Jan-Marek) + why that should be the an abuse, actually? (Jan-Marek) + the main functionality should not be in the sidebar (Heiko) + adds complexity to the sidebar, question of modality (Jan-Marek) + duplication is not a problem, no dialog planned (Jan-Marek) + in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy) + we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-) (Kendy) AI: + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek) * Impress Default font (suggested by Németh László) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577 + Switch to "Source Sans Pro" with fallback to "Liberation Sans" + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/22124/ + what is the reasoning for the change? (Kendy) + described in the bug... + changing the default might be critical, if the default isn't saved to the document (Jan-Marek) + Old problem was change of line color default in Writer from black to blue => all lines changed from black to blue + do we bundle the Source Sans Pro? (Kendy) + we do + I don't agree with the change (Kendy) + if at all, it should be done in the default template, not in the VCL.xcu (Kendy) + and - as a default, we need something metrically compatible with 'usual' fonts (Kendy) + whatever font, its Unicode codepoint coverage in the SEP (think Emoji's) becomes an issue (Stuart) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + might be interesting to have a survey about what the users actually use Draw for (Tomaž) + Heiko will have a look / think this through + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W6aIpZhQo7j33f8W3p_nXLAd6tamwjtUxZFx77jArcU/edit + Will prepare a draft about the request to participate on the blog, create the survey and share all on the mailing list to get more opinions (Heiko) + people want better flow-chart support (Heiko) + and vector drawing tool + and other... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-02-12
* Present: Heiko, Stuart, Samuel, Jay, Jan-Marek * GSoC is close again + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + needs to be filed in until the next Tue + Heiko will add the ideas there (/done) /done Area Fill, Table Styles, AutText, Bibliography + we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view + Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ... + design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8=sharing + redesign template manager https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing AI: Add TOC, Special characters dialog, Templates Manager (Heiko) /done Templates Manager, Special Characters, ToC + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available) * Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek) + The side bar currently has a maximum size limit + problem for wollmux exension (Jan-Marek) + in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy) + we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-) (Kendy) AI: + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek) - http://snag.gy/e8550.jpg - http://snag.gy/Q6pvY.jpg - http://www.wollmux.net/wiki/WollMuxBar#Suchleiste + fan of the changes, just need to be careful - fixed size has some merit too (Stuart) + having a fixed/minimum value by default and allowing a sidebar extension dev to modify this value through api (Jay) + https://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/XDockableWindow.html + Sidebar Bug Reports (Stuart) The Sidebar Meta - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65138 Sidebar "philosophy" where it needs to go - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33223#c11 a key feature -- multiple & detatchable decks, and support in profile state https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67770 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85905 * Update Default font + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577 + Would be useful to change the default font in all apps rather than just impress (Jay) + Droid Sans, Serif, Mono (used on Android, available in Google Docs, available in ubuntu 12.04 & debian 6-backports) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid_fonts + Noto Sans, Serif, Cousine (droid derivative to fully cover all scripts in unicode, available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto_fonts + Caladea, Carlito (bundled with LibO, metric compatible with MS Office default fonts, available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7-backports) * Draw-related survey (Heiko) + published and continued (will close on Friday, 19 February) https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/07/what-do-you-expect-from-draw/ http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] Program Committee for LibOCon
Hi Sophie, Sophie píše v Út 02. 02. 2016 v 11:49 +0100: > As each year, it's time to form the Program Committee. We need at least > 3 or 4 persons available to review the talks proposed by the community, > sort and organize them and then manage the conference program. > > *Important note*: you need to be available during July and August as > these are the months during which we set the program. I'd like to be in the program committee this year again :-) All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-01-29
* Present: Heiko, Stuart, Jay, Samuel, Kendy * UI changes integrated since the last meeting: + Paste Special fix (Maxim) + Dropdown for conditional formatting (Maxim) + Better visibility of automatic page breaks (akki95) + Disable the line arrowheads when non-line object is selected (Rishabh) + Usage stats into the file in the user profile (Aybuke) + Menus to .xml in Starmath (Maxim) * GSoC is close again + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas + we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view + Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ... + design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8=sharing + redesign template manager https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available) * Add Illustration and Table caption fields into Insert + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97303 + Goal is a consistent behavior of objects (Stuart, Heiko) + Frames around objects are not essential, but they do provide structure/content that should otherwise come from the object (Stuart) + Floating objects, like shapes and images, need a frame around (Jay) + Have a dev look into what can be fixed under the hood and see what is possible (Jay) * Spam at blog + Commenting is possible at our blog only with manual verification + Spam leads to a massive amount of emails + Intermediate solution: Checking new comments not immediately (no email when someone post a comment) + Future solution: Asked Italo to add a spam preventing plugin (Bubli) * An alternative print range selection algorithm (Jan-Marek) + http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07516.html + Stuart found some issues and informed jmux ( https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89708#c4 ) + Not stable enough, at least on Windows + Quick test with 5.2 from last week: blank pages are shown whether tools settings are on or off (Heiko) * Draw problems (Stuart) + might be interesting to have a survey about what the users actually use Draw for (Tomaž) + Heiko will have a look / think this through + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W6aIpZhQo7j33f8W3p_nXLAd6tamwjtUxZFx77jArcU/edit + Will prepare a draft about the request to participate on the blog, create the survey and share all on the mailing list to get more opinions (Heiko) * LibreGraphics Meeting (LGM) soon + in London + would be good opportunity to meet other designers and the broader Libre graphics community (Inkscape, GIMP, DIA etc.) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-01-08
* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Samuel * UI changes integrated since the last meeting: + resource menus & readonly improvements (Maxim) + new saving behavior + indication (Maxim) + "show draw functions" button for Draw & Impress (Gulsah) + Comments on design blog (Heiko) + currently go to only one person (Heiko) + let's ask admins to setup a mail alias for the main account (Kendy) + Blog about menu changes (Heiko) + Reason: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91820 + to explain what has been done, what are the concepts behind that (Heiko) + sounds great (Kendy) + ideal if Jay can do that, he did all the heavy lifting... + Heiko about to work on a draft, details needed from Jay + Find dialog in the sidebar (Heiko) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96394 + Sidebar as a host for functions? - F is not a property like paragraph settings, for instance + it is possible from the development point of view (Heiko) + but do we want that conceptually? + another example where this was attempted: change tracking (Heiko) + conceptually - it is changing the meaning of the sidebar a bit + sidebar is not meant as a replacement for dialogs (at least currently) (Heiko) + overall, moving some modeless dialogs to sidebar could be a not-that-bad thing (Kendy) + can imagine scenarios where it is useful to be able quickly switch between eg. change tracking and search/replace (which would take too much space with just dialogs) + let's think a bit more about this, and if we agree to this, make this a GSoC project + many search bugs in the bugzilla, would be good to have them in mind too when considering the move to the sidebar (Heiko) + design session to mocup it with these in mind, prioritization, etc. needed (Heiko) + GSoC not that near, let's do it in some later Friday, after the normal meeting + Save button behavior (Samuel) + implemented now + thanks so much Maxim! + not in RC2 yet (Samuel) + the only missing bit is the icon (Samuel) + Heiko will sync with Andreas if he can have that before the RC2 (Tuesday evening tagging) + Samuel will backport to libreoffice-5-1 + then 3 reviews needed for the late feature, Kendy to ask ESC on the ML + Mail merge toolbar (Kendy) + implementation mostly finished (Kendy) + bugfixing before I can merge it to master * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet + ~10 comments + positive feedback + suggestion to remove the pattern editor and to rename some captions + one preference for the three-column layout + next: implement it :-) probably again good for a GSoC task * Draw problems (Stuart) + might be interesting to have a survey about what the users actually use Draw for (Tomaž) + Heiko will have a look / think this through * Bug discussions + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED_status=NEW_status=ASSIGNED_status=NEEDINFO=ux-advise_id=527515_format=advanced=--- + discussed, and acted on: + [nothing today sadly] -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-11
* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž * UI changes integrated the last week: + Kill destructive color conversion menu in Impress (Tomaž) + ToolbarAsMenu controller in reportdesign (Maxim) + Displaymode icons (Andreas) + Improved toolbars (Jay) + Breeze icons improvements (Andreas) + Fix tooltips for frame alignment buttons (Samuel) + Save button behavior (Samuel) + Save contains "Save as" and "Save remote" in a dropdown + Dropdown was disabled when "Save" was disabled -> Made the button dropdown only when save disabled https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/20079/ + However, this is quite irritating (button has two different modes, user doesn't know why he can't click save and later he can) + Also users missing indication whether document is saved + possible solutions: + make only the dropdown active + move the functionality to Save As + what do you want from that button? (Heiko) + is there a good reason to disable Save in the first place? (Heiko) + we already have a user setting to enable Save all the time (Kendy) + moving to Save As is a problem: wanted to hide it in the default toolbar + Save status is in the status bar too (Kendy) + not many people know about that though (Heiko) + the information could be in the tooltip; even with additional info (Document is saved / Document is modified / ...) (Kendy) +1 (Stuart) + eg. MSO has that enabled all the time (Samuel) + additional / new icon indicator in the toolbar for that - disabled by default (Heiko) + icon that looks disabled, but still clickable (Samuel) + that would be confusing (Heiko) + possiblity to switch the icon to one with a star when unsaved changes? (Kendy) + decoration / small star + like it (Heiko) + any technical limitations when allowing saving all the time? (Heiko) + not that I am aware of (Kendy) + conclusion: + implement switching of the Save icon to a "Document has changes" state + decorator, like an added star (Andreas promised to take a look, at least for Breeze) + enable Save always + remove the configuration setting to disable the Save button (because it would be confusing when the user switches to "disabling") + hide the Save As from the toolbar + Samuel will talk to Maxim, let's still try to get this in as a late feature + Navigator in Impress & Draw (Samuel) + What to do with "Show Navigator when Slideshow running"? + there is a possibility to have the navigator visible during presenting (Samuel) + but that's the point of the presenter console (Samuel) + would like to remove this feature (Samuel) + does not even work in my 5.0 :-) (Kendy) + looks unused / nobody misses this feature apparently (Samuel / all) + keep in mind that people wanted the use case the separate window for navigator in Writer (Stuart) + conclusion: + let's remove the "Navigator visible" from Slide Show -> Slide Show Settings... + if there is a missing functionality, let's find out the exact use case, and add to the presenter console + EasyHack created for this: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96414 + Mail merge toolbar (Kendy) + current problem: in the Mail Merge Wizard, the document state switches between the "Source" and "Target" view + confuses users a lot + proposed to drop the last 3 screens from the mail merge wizard + instead put this functionality to a toolbar, that has + Mail Merge Wizard (for changes in the address settings etc) + back and forth for navigation + skip recipient + Edit Individual Documents... + Print (range) + e-mail (range) + conclusion: sounds good + will share the prototype when I get there (Kendy) * Suggestions from Roland (Samuel) + http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libre-office-vs-numbers-td4167428.html + Roland now bootstrapped, let's see (Samuel) + we can close this topic for now * Table styles blog post (Heiko) + shared a draft + needs a bit of discussion too unfortunately (Heiko) + discussed it in the call (Kendy/Heiko) + Heiko will finish the draft & publish * Start Center GUI suggestions for change (Stuart) + there were some new proposals about the start center (Stuart) + thanks so much for thinking in the new ways + sharing only a screenshot is not enough though + when considering a big change, more communication is needed - encourage to join the #libreoffice-design, and discuss there + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96383 + Change Start Screen - kompilainenn's + very concise, tabbed GUI -- maybe an alternate to current thumbnail based (Stuart) + would
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-18
* Present: Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Michel, Samuel, Stuart, Tomaž * UI changes integrated the last week: + Enabled double click in input list field dialog (Oliver) + Converted MN_TAB_POPUPMENU to xml (Maxim) + Table context menu improvements (Maxim) + Clarified advanced options (unstable vs. limited) (Joel) + Convert some Calc context menus to xml (Maxim) + Filter options dialog controls expandable (Oliver) + Convert RID_POPUP_TAB to xml (Maxim) + Incremental UI changes only? + Joel suggest to not change the whole UI but have small steps + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91820#c25 + mostly about the menu and toolbar reorg (Kendy) + Makes not much sense in this case since there is no half-conceptual menu organization (Heiko) + the hope is that the largest changes are now done (Kendy) + and we are back to incremental changes (Kendy) + should there be more changes, they'll be incremental again (Kendy) + pretty large change overall (Stuart) + there was support from the Design team (Stuart) + the change was needed, and long overdue (Stuart) + yes (Kendy) + now back to more easily manageable (Stuart) + there was a concept behind the changes (Heiko) + we are affecting people's workflows... (Heiko) + would be good to have 'something' that introduces the new features (Heiko) + when doing changes, we should prefer larger (but complete) change (Tomaž) + so that people don't have to re-learn all the time (Kendy) + agree (Cor) + better bundle the changes (per module) as much as reasonable doable + for NotebookBar, we'll need a switch between the old and new (Heiko) + that's easy - different concept, so a simple switch is possible (Kendy) + Save button behavior (Samuel) + Samuel talked to Maxim, Maxim agreed (Samuel) + only needs the new icon (Samuel) + what to do in 5.1 - revert? (Samuel) + let's wait a bit if Maxim can provide the proposed solution ~soon (Kendy) + and cherry-pick (Kendy) + late feature - will need 3 cross-company approvals (Kendy) + if not in time for RC2 (January 11), let's revert in 5.1 (Kendy) + Mail merge toolbar (Kendy) + implementation ongoing (Kendy) + have the basic toolbar now, working on moving the functionality to there from the wizard (Kendy) * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet * Table styles blog post (Heiko) + published, some comments came in (Heiko) + nothing controversial, good (Heiko) + missing use case for the table style (Michel) + scenario / use case - for the persona (Heiko) + it is there, but not in a structured / strict way (Heiko) + scrum way: have there 'who' and 'why', in one sentence (Heiko) + so one can imagine that better + fine with that, if it is short (Kendy) + want to focus on the resulting work, not paperwork around :-) (Kendy) * Mockups with Draw? (Michel/Heiko) + drafted a blog-post how it could work (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MrSd7nwm3PJfKg_DQ79Sbc4jlqWeX280U_yF81pvQiQ/edit?ts=5672a18b + and what's missing in Draw (Heiko) + should we blog it, or keep internal only so far? (Heiko) + reinventing existing stuff a bit (Stuart) + if somebody wants to do the work, go for that of course (Stuart) + but people are happy with the tools + agree with Stuart (Cor) + blog post focusing on strengths of Draw would be good (Cor) + but not as a tool to create workflows (Cor) + some features are missing, some need adjustments (Heiko) + and could be useful in Draw (Heiko) + but should not be a replacement for people's tools (Heiko) + wanted to propose only a small step (Michel) + people should be using tools that fit them, no forcing of this or that (Kendy) + we can do recommendations, but that's only it :-) (Kendy) + important to manage expectations (Cor) + shapes tab in the sidebar - that could get us closer (Jay) + down to stencils / objects + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sv3Q-XdnHElYGXX2m8OLbRAy1zyodcU231Gn2SkVRV0/edit?usp=sharing + have a feeling of feature creep (Kendy) + let's stay what we are - a general purpose drawing program, not specialized on UI design (Kendy) * Draw problems (Stuart) + not that good in vector drawing - freehand/Illustrator/Krita (Stuart) + problem with beziers (as in hand lettering/cursive lettering) + svg's should be handled correctly + please file bugs :-) (Kendy) + Draw does not have too
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-11-27
* Present: Stuart, Heiko, Kendy * UI changes integrated since Wednesday: + Add padding between style render and context button (Jay) * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet + draft now in the blog, please check it * Bug discussions + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED_status=NEW_status=ASSIGNED_status=NEEDINFO=ux-advise_id=527515_format=advanced=--- + discussed, and acted on: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67622 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80196 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57433 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59329 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69358 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83700 * Help updating (Kendy) + some problems with help - blank screen etc. (Stuart) + will report a bug (Stuart) * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + icons for slide transitions needed (Kendy) + Jay and Andreas working ot this (Kendy) + Paulo proposed new mimetype icons (Heiko) + nice stuff (Stuart) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7d/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-default-dark.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/Pj-icons-2015-11-6-v2-high-contrast-dark.png + looks good, positive feedback on the ML (Kendy) + could have a better contrast for the Draw icon (Heiko) + up to Andreas + Jay to merge if it fits their plan (Kendy) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-11-18
[the meeting on 11th was cancelled] * Present: Cor, Heiko, Kendy, Samuel * UI changes integrated the last two weeks: + form-related controls ta insert and tools menu (Jay) + hierarchical organization of slide transitions (Tor) + and new slide transitions (Tor, Tomaž) + title for image export options dialog (Jay) + fix accelerators in start center (Kendy) + loading .svg images from image resources (Tomaž) + "hide whitespace" improvements (Ashod) + new Outline button (Maxim) + missing an icon + context menu customization (Maxim) + new PopupLabel property for uno commands (Maxim) + new TooltipLabel property for uno commands (Samuel) + shortcut keys missing in undo and redo tooltips (Samuel) + tdf#34882 Adding hex and decimal code search (Steve Hart) + Impress: Rework the way the display modes are presented (Philippe) * Update the meeting time (Kendy) + Please fill the Doodle until the next meeting (Wed 25th, November 2015): http://doodle.com/poll/d4b628cgxanrvmka * Table styles (Kendy) + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy) + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkf9fn79dXJ5tHpc-meMYxaQpj3nV5sEN6u9HOo2GQ/edit?usp=sharing + pending publishing + some thing still can be discussed * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko) + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/ + now set up, admins, thank you! + Heiko, Jay, Kendy have the credentials + Heiko can start writing a post + how to reference the author etc.? (Heiko) + not possible to have a named posting (Heiko) + best to poke the admins - awerner set this up for us (Kendy) + will ask for some plugins that will be useful (Heiko) * Bug discussions + none this week * NotebookBar (Samuel) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar + screenshot - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f5/Notebookbar-writer.png + NotebookBar allows to create toolbars with glade (Samuel/Kendy) + full control over widgets in the topmost area, defined via a .ui file + an optional thing for users (Samuel) + menus + toolbars the default + now in master, but hidden via an env. variable (Kendy) + keep in mind the HIG (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar + mentions some future enhancements of toolbars that might be helpful here (Heiko) + eg. grouping + possible with Notebookbar + eg. http://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.0.7/#!/example/toolbar/toolbars.html ? + loading the toolbars from glade (.ui) instead of .xcu files + this will probably remove the possibility to make the toolbars floating (Kendy) + but that is good (Cor, Kendy) + can have more sets of toolbars with this (Cor) + Will have a friday session on NotebookBar topic on Fr 27th + Please have a look at the following links until then: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar#Resources * Help updating (Kendy) + released a new release (Kendy) + online modification prototype (Jay) + Liongold on IRC working on that + will share that with Jay, and can iterate + need a VM from the infra to host the prototype + will create another ticket for this (Jay) https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1584 + would be great to put the code to a repository (Kendy) + dev-tools (some subdir there) (Kendy) + or a new repo - eg. on github as a start? (Kendy) + dev-tools preferred though + help-related meta bugs: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580 * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + icons for slide transitions needed (Kendy) + 32pixel sifr icons + first 2 from Pappamatti + reminded him to push svg too (Jay) + to use the Tomaž's code + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing + Integrating it into the options dialog - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95014 + add a "extra large" entry + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay) + Samuel will look at one of them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866 + easiest solution: eg. for tango, during build concat tango +
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-11-25 + meeting time change: Friday, 14:00 CET
Note: the next meeting is _this_ Friday, 14:00 CET * Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy * UI changes integrated the last week: + toolbar improvements (Samuel) + Save As to the Save dropdown (Samuel) + add Open Remote File to the start center (Samuel) + Save button becomes drop-down only when Save disabled (Maxim) + store sidebar element states (Laurent) + .ui improvements (Adolfo) * Update the meeting time (Kendy) + New meeting time: Fridays, 14:00 CET (13:00 UTC) + starting this week already! * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet + draft now in the blog, please check it * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko) + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/ + now syndicated to planet.documentfoundation.org too (Heiko) + Heiko walked us through the wp interface - hot to post new blog post etc. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-11-04
* Present: Heiko, Jan-Marek, Jay, Kendy, Mattias * UI changes integrated the last week: + optimized breeze icons (Andreas) + jump to specific page in preview (Gulsah) + text background tab in char formatting dialog (Bubli) + re-use MenuBarManager for context menus too (Maxim) + text background color related fix (Maxim) * Table styles (Kendy) + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy) + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkf9fn79dXJ5tHpc-meMYxaQpj3nV5sEN6u9HOo2GQ/edit?usp=sharing + 9th October, 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC (Kendy) + more discussion about the proposal (Jay/Heiko/Kendy) + afraid of too many elements there (Heiko) + pending publishing + some thing still can be discussed * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko) + redmine ticket: https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1505 + pending on infra + voting feature/plugin * Bug discussions + none this week * NotebookBar (Samuel) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar + screenshot - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f5/Notebookbar-writer.png + NotebookBar allows to create toolbars with glade (Samuel/Kendy) + full control over widgets in the topmost area, defined via a .ui file + an optional thing for users (Samuel) + menus + toolbars the default + now in master, but hidden via an env. variable (Kendy) + keep in mind the HIG (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar + mentions some future enhancements of toolbars that might be helpful here (Heiko) + eg. grouping + possible with Notebookbar + eg. http://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.0.7/#!/example/toolbar/toolbars.html ? + tabs make toolbars context depending which is against the use case of toolbars (Heiko) + structuring the toolbar with labeled groups and perhaps different sized buttons make sense + the tabs from the current notebookbar should stay a menubar (Heiko) * Help updating (Kendy) + new patches, would be great to have a new release (Jay) + will do, this time really :-) (Kendy) + online modification prototype (Jay) + Liongold on IRC working on that + will share that with Jay, and can iterate + need a VM from the infra to host the prototype + will create another ticket for this (Jay) https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1584 + would be great to put the code to a repository (Kendy) + dev-tools (some subdir there) (Kendy) + or a new repo - eg. on github as a start? (Kendy) + dev-tools preferred though + images in helpauthoring (Jay) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HelpContent#Make_Images_Appear + image sizes not saved with HelpAuthoring + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95509 + warning to correctly implement image insertion + implement a image root + have a pending patch (Jay) + the menubar re-org (Jay) + help 1/3 adapted - File, Edit & View menus + pending in gerrit now + help-related meta bugs: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580 * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + 32pixel sifr icons + first 2 from Pappamatti + reminded him to push svg too (Jay) + to use the Tomaž's code + Tango icons from Jay for new commands in table toolbar + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing + Integrating it into the options dialog - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95014 + add a "extra large" entry + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay) + Samuel will look at one of them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866 + easiest solution: eg. for tango, during build concat tango + galaxy links.txt, and put to images_tango.zip + one shared links.txt is probably not possible (Jay/Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91565 tango - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=115945 galaxy - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119516 + Sifr & breeze for dark themes +
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-28
* Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy * UI changes integrated the last week: + icons in the help files (Stephan) + improve the thumbnailing of web view in Writer (Kendy) + more 32px breeze icons (Andreas) + 'restart timer' icons (Andreas) + .ui improvements (Jay) + Writer table toolbar improvements (Jay) + 32px tango icons (Jay) + hide InstallableOptions in the print dialog (Michael Weghorn) + scrollwheel events in tabbar of sidebar (Bjoern) + * Table styles (Kendy) + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy) + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkf9fn79dXJ5tHpc-meMYxaQpj3nV5sEN6u9HOo2GQ/edit?usp=sharing + 9th October, 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC (Kendy) + more discussion about the proposal (Jay/Heiko/Kendy) + afraid of too many elements there (Heiko) + conclusion of further discussions: + the dialog will focus on modifying only one style at time + added more features (name of the style, summary) + resizing: should the properties dialog be resizable? + conclusion: non-resizable + sidebar + in properties, and also in styles & formatting + formatting dialog + needs the table style too + still open (depends on implementation details) + can we have styles inheritance? + additional dropdown in that case + how to switch to different properties? + tabs / listbox / buttons possible * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko) + redmine ticket: https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1505 + pending on infra + voting feature/plugin * Bug discussions + none this week * NotebookBar (Samuel) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar + screenshot - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f5/Notebookbar-writer.png + NotebookBar allows to create toolbars with glade (Samuel/Kendy) + full control over widgets in the topmost area, defined via a .ui file + an optional thing for users (Samuel) + menus + toolbars the default + now in master, but hidden via an env. variable (Kendy) * Help updating (Kendy) + new patches, would be great to have a new release (Jay) + will do, this time really :-) (Kendy) + help-related meta bugs: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580 * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + Should svgs be stored in repo and pngs created at build time (Samuel) + Fast svg import hack working (Tomaz) + I hacked something similar in the past (Kendy) + icons rendered from svg's on LibreOffice startup + but had bad results :-( + LibreOffice not rendering in good enough quality... + but hopefully Tomaž has better experience / approach (Kendy) + Icons not appearing in help viewer's web view https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82149 + but fixed now - thanks Stephan! :-) + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing + Integrating it into the options dialog - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95014 + add a "extra large" entry + is this for hi-dpi? (Kendy) + no, it is for large screens, but not related to hi-dpi (Jay) + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay) + Samuel will look at one of them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866 + easiest solution: eg. for tango, during build concat tango + galaxy links.txt, and put to images_tango.zip + one shared links.txt is probably not possible (Jay/Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91565 tango - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=115945 galaxy - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119516 + Sifr & breeze for dark themes + bug report created (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94632 + Tomaž pushed the algorithm to create them to master (Tomaž) + screenshot - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119614 + Elementary icon theme added to git by Bjoern (Jay) + but not enabled by default + images_human.zip to be placed in /opt/libreofficedev5.1/share/config/
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-21
* Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Tomaz, Stuart * UI changes integrated the last week: + Enable auto-numbering by default reverted for now (Samuel) + First/last button in the Calc tab bar (Tomaž) + NotebookBar proof-of-concept pushed (Kendy) + alt-x support to math (Justin) + more 32px Breeze icons (Andreas) + Appearance -> Application Colors (Adolfo) + initial "Home" NotebookBar tab proof-of-concept (Samuel) + make sidebar toolboxs item order RTL sensitive (Bubli) * Table styles (Kendy) + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy) + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkf9fn79dXJ5tHpc-meMYxaQpj3nV5sEN6u9HOo2GQ/edit?usp=sharing + 9th October, 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC (Kendy) + more discussion about the proposal (Jay/Heiko/Kendy) + afraid of too many elements there (Heiko) + what's the game plan there? (Jay) + ODF export first, then ODF import, then OOXML support (Kendy) + but cannot promise exact timeline (Kendy) + had the Friday session about this, useful to continue the discussion there (Jay/Heiko) + to define the general approach to the table propeties, style etc. - in the sidebar (Jay/Heiko/Kendy) + should we eg. remove the table toolbar (that appears when the cursor gets into a table, etc.) + where to put the table styles - to such a sidebar? to styles & formatting? + etc. + worked on the design during the meeting (Jay/Heiko) + reworked the dialog with an almost finished layout (for discussion with the community) * Area Tab design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko) + redmine ticket: https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1505 + pending on infra * Bug discussions + none this week * NotebookBar (Samuel) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar + screenshot - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f5/Notebookbar-writer.png + NotebookBar allows to create toolbars with glade (Samuel/Kendy) + full control over widgets in the topmost area, defined via a .ui file + an optional thing for users (Samuel) + menus + toolbars the default + now in master, but hidden via an env. variable (Kendy) + keep in mind the HIG (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar + mentions some future enhancements of toolbars that might be helpful here (Heiko) + eg. grouping + possible with Notebookbar + eg. http://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.0.7/#!/example/toolbar/toolbars.html ? + tabs make toolbars context depending which is against the use case of toolbars (Heiko) + strucutring the toolbar with labeled groups and perhaps different sized buttons make sense + the tabs from the current notebookbar should stay a menubar (Heiko) * Help updating (Kendy) + new patches, would be great to have a new release (Jay) + will do, this time really :-) (Kendy) + help-related meta bugs: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580 + wikihelp? (Jay) + help proposal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MULCsm8gD-QPv-W1LbHBynnY0eD16Q6uXsrzpgfJdvQ/edit?usp=sharing + idea to use xml editor (Kendy) + steps needed: + hooks on help.libreoffice.org redirecting to editable page + per-user session - own git checkout + some way of editing - either the xml help or the xml <-> html mapping + commit creation in the git + push to gerrit + overall - like the idea to have some infra on top of the current help, easier than the entire editable wiki (Kendy) * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + Should svgs be stored in repo and pngs created at build time (Samuel) + Fast svg import hack working (Tomaz) + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay) + Samuel will look at one of them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866 + easiest solution: eg. for tango, during build concat tango + galaxy links.txt, and put to images_tango.zip + one shared links.txt is probably not possible (Jay/Samuel) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91565 tango - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=115945 galaxy - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119516 + Icons not appearing in help viewer's web view
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-14
* Present: Cor, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Samuel * UI changes integrated the last week: + Enable auto-numbering by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94994 + previously enabled, then disabled, and now enabled again + I remember - not good in the current state (Kendy) + if we want to enable it again, then first let's collect what turns into numbering + how it is triggered, and let's go through the use cases there (Kendy) AI:+ OK, will revert for now + provide the list (Samuel) + remote files related improvements (Szymon) + icons recoloring (Tomaž) + 32x32 icons for hi-contrast (Andreas) * Annual report (Jay) + Sophi asked that we fill in any links to minutes, blog posts, etc. http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport + more info needed, will ask Sophie (Jay) + for the reference, report from the last year: + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/47/TDF2014AnnualReport.pdf * Table styles (Kendy) + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy) + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkf9fn79dXJ5tHpc-meMYxaQpj3nV5sEN6u9HOo2GQ/edit?usp=sharing + 9th October, 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC (Kendy) + more discussion about the proposal (Jay/Heiko/Kendy) + afraid of too many elements there (Heiko) + will have a follow-up Friday session - to define the general approach to the table propeties, style etc. - in the sidebar (Jay/Heiko/Kendy) + should we eg. remove the table toolbar (that appears when the cursor gets into a table, etc.) + where to put the table styles - to such a sidebar? to styles & formatting? + etc. * Last week's design session (Heiko/Jay) + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing + not published yet * Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko) + redmine ticket: https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1505 * Bug discussions + Scale all objects proportionally by default, not only images? + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71669#c26 + (see as well bug wrt. proportional scaling with side handles #84953) + can check other suites (Jay) + Word, WPS, and Calligra all have non-proportional + but otherwise people generally happy with the images (keep aspect ratio) vs. shapes (don't keep) approach (Cor/Kendy/Samuel) + but maybe some more research / checking the use cases might be good * NotebookBar (Samuel) + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?h=feature/notebookbar + NotebookBar allows to create toolbars with glade (Samuel/Kendy) + full control over widgets in the topmost area, defined via a .ui file + an optional thing for users (Samuel) + menus + toolbars the default + Notebookbar an optional thing + probably via an option in the View menu + long term, will be a source of some Easy Hacks (Samuel) + now just laying down the foundations, later more discussion needed (Samuel) + can insert new stuff via glade + enough to specify the .uno: command, the icon + text is imported from the appropriate officecfg xml + Screenshot so far: http://i.imgur.com/RUUTiuk.png + next (Samuel): + more structure needed now (so that it is not one monter .ui file) + priorities of widgets - container that hides stuff when the screen size does not fit + theming + target: 5.2 (earliest) + is it already in master? (Jay) + in branch so far (Kendy/Samuel) + but hidden via an env. variable - so can merge it to master (Samuel) + let's merge it then, keep the env. variable (Jay/Kendy) + and the View menu entry when it is more polished + keep in mind the HIG (Heiko) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar + mentions some future enhancements of toolbars that might be helpful here (Heiko) + eg. grouping + possible with Notebookbar * Help updating (Kendy) + new patches, would be great to have a new release (Jay) + will do (Kendy) + help-related meta bugs: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580 + wikihelp? (Jay) + help proposal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MULCsm8gD-QPv-W1LbHBynnY0eD16Q6uXsrzpgfJdvQ/edit?usp=sharing + idea to use xml editor (Kendy) + steps needed: + hooks on help.libreoffice.org redirecting to editable page + per-user session - own git checkout + some way of editing -
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-09-02
* Present: Jay, Kendy, Heiko * UI changes integrated the last few weeks: + completely reworked the remote file access UI (Szymon / GSoC) + delete unnecessary options from Tools -> Options... (Mihály) + many improvements in dialogs (Maxim) + toolbars improvements (Jay) + Alt-X to toggle unicode notation (Justin) + Breeze icons improvements (Andreas) + sidebar fixes (Tomaž) + icon fixes (Jay) + themes panel (Tomaž) + new controls to the Wrap sidebar tab (Rishabh) + [and other bits I probably missed when going through the logs :-)] * Update the meeting time (Kendy) + current time inconvenient a bit, what would be the best time? (Kendy) + let's do a doodle (Heiko) * LibreOffice Conference + September 23-25, 2015, Aarhus, Denmark + http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/call-for-papers/ + don't forget to register! * GSoC + went well, Rishab did great (Jay) + Jay learns basics of using Glade + so he does not have to wait on other people doing changes in .ui files * Help updating (Kendy) + was unable to have a look yet (Jay) + will have a look this week + new version of HelpAuthoring*.oxt published (Kendy) + http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/helpauthoring/ + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Help has the general info (Kendy) + wikihelp? (Jay) + still mid- to long-term thing :-( (Kendy) + help.libreoffice.org is generated from the .xhp's, edits done via changing .xhp's will be converted to wikihelp when we switch one day (Kendy) + translations are from Pootle (Kendy) * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90790 + went through the reproducer with Jay, it's an additional bug (Kendy) + will create a report (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866 + Heiko will meet Andreas the next week at the KDE sprint (Heiko) + if there is anything do discuss, let Heiko know + Uri will there too + is Andreas going to the LibreOffice conference too? Would be great to meet finally :-) (Kendy) + Sifr & breeze for dark themes + would be good to have versinos that use lighter colors (Jay) + ideally done in S/W (Kendy) + please create a bug for that Jay (Kendy) + I'll add the code pointers then (Kendy) + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing * Templates Competition (Jay) + Wiki page setup https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Templates_for_LibreOffice_5.0 + many new templates + unfortunately missed the 5.0 :-( (Jay) + but would be still good to add to master - so that we don't miss 5.1 (Kendy) + promise of some more additions this week (Jay) + Jay, please feel encouraged to push good stuff to master (Kendy) + we will have enough time to tweak or remove before 5.1 (Kendy) + a survey might be better though? (Heiko) + what should we ask exactly? (Jay) + would be good to have a way to involve the people in the improving, not only yes/no (Kendy) + where in the sources? (Jay) + extras/source/templates/* + sfx2/source/doc/doctempl.src shows the names of the categories * 5.0 Artwork (Jay) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements should be updated with the new 5.0 stuff + will put the 5.0 stuff together (Kendy) * UI Guidelines (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + replace "UX principles" https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Principles by "HIG" on http://www.libreoffice.org/community/design;? + UX principles good & relevant, but not specific enough (Heiko) + suggest to change this link to the HIG instead: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines + conclusion: Will mail webs...@global.libreoffice.org (Heiko) /done + context menus + added to the wiki + sidebar + dialogs + will go to the wiki, BUT the undecided
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-08-13
* Present: + Sophie, Norbert, Christian, Stephan, Eike, Kendy, Jacobo, Robinson, Miklos, Thorsten, Caolan, Muthu * Completed Action Items: + register at the conference: http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/registration/ (all) [ mandatory from security reasons (Sophie) ] [ Sophie sending mail to all the mailing lists ] [ at the beginning of September, will send some additional conf. info (Sophie) ] + track support help XML status (Kendy) [ some mails this week (Kendy) ] [ ongoing effort anyway ] * Pending Action Items: + have a look at the CppUnit to implement 'expected failure' (Jan-Marek) [ investigated the current CPPUNIT version and Qt test suite, will be able to hack on that the next week @DebCamp ] + 'make -k stagingcheck' prototype (Bjoern) + have a look at revert notification (author + committer + the person who reverted) (Norbert) + review Giuseppe's webdav work in gerrit (Kendy/?) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/17189/ [ have a VM for testing against, code looks good in general, need to verify push (Kendy) ] + come up with a fun new name for 'blocker' (Robinson) [ got a couple of proposals, will send an email (Robinson) ] + re-arrange the help XML for the menu changes (Jay) [ Jay was away for vacation, promised to have a look at HelpAuthoring.oxt over the weekend (Kendy) ] + UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael) + UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael) + check 'make check' on a Windows 32bit box instead (Norbert) [ box in the transit to the hoster - any day now ] [ be prepared for a load of failures ] + promote Development Mentoring Lead Job Offer through all channels: Universities, Companies, Clubs, ex-GSoCers etc. (all) https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/15/tdf-freelance-job-opening-201507-01-development-mentoring-lead/ [ please spread the word (Bjoern) ] [ print some leaflets too distribute (Bjoern) ] * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 4.4.6 - status + RC1 - week 40 (week starting 28th September) + last of the 4.4 line + 5.0.1 - RC1 this week + heavy-duty triple-review process for libreoffice-5-0-1 branch + 1x review for 5-0 and +2 more for 5-0-1 + RC1 released to the public + Major bugs + scanning crashes on 64bit Windows build (Cloph) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92478 + backtrace available + some translations cut off + not related to help untraslated though + does not affect the official TDF builds luckily (Cloph) + but affects downstream - should be fixed (Cloph) + anything? (Robinson) + RC2 to be tagged the next week (Cloph) + 5.0 project being set up in pootle + Late Feature Status (Michael) + removed the LibreOfficeKit pieces, not cherry-picking features any more (Kendy) + OpenGL / double-buffer RenderContext (Kendy) + still ongoing (Miklos) + let's see what's the state at the next week's ESC (Kendy) + OpenGL by default to be re-visit @ ESC for 5.0.1 for some H/W on Windows. + gtk3+ (Caolan) + turned on by default, but the decision should be on the distros if they want it (Caolan) + Android iOS Remote * UX Update (Kendy) + still vacation time, Kendy away yesterday, and also the following 2 weeks * Documentation (Olivier) + proposal to have also the sources of the help files as ODT + Flat ODT sounds fine (Kendy) + do we have tooling for them? (Eike) + filters are xslt based, possible to run offline on .fodt (Kendy) + they are in dev-tools repo, easy to use (Kendy) + xsltproc dev-tools/helpauthoring/filter/soffice2xmlhelp.xsl helpfile.fodt helpfile.xhp + some problems with the filters, Olivier will report (Kendy) * Crashtest update (Caolán) + 0 import failures, 0 export failures, 0 coverity warnings + that with updated set of files + update takes 14 hours (scanning bugzillas), 24 hours the testing (Caolan) + awesome :-) (Kendy) * GSoC (Cedric/Thorsten) + Next important dates: + Aug. 17: pencils down + Aug. 21: firm pencils down start of evaluations + !!! 1 week from now !!! + Aug. 28: final evaluations deadline + mentor summit: Cedric Moggi going + conference travel - poking the students now (Cedric) + 3 students will definitely go, have registered + let's hope there will be more :-) * Hackfests (Bjoern) + Aarhus LibreOffice conference bits ? + Hackfest topic: C++11 in LibreOffice + look into easy, easy C++11
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-08-06
* Present: + Norbert, Kendy, Christian, Eike, Sophie, Stephan, Miklos, Robinson, Bjoern, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Muthu * Completed Action Items: + poke people on the IRC for the last 5.0 patches (Cloph) + last fixes to the 5.0 graphics (Cloph) * Pending Action Items: + have a look at the CppUnit to implement 'expected failure' (Jan-Marek) [ investigated the current CPPUNIT version and Qt test suite, will be able to hack on that the next week @DebCamp ] + 'make -k stagingcheck' prototype (Bjoern) + have a look at revert notification (author + committer + the person who reverted) (Norbert) + review Giuseppe's webdav work in gerrit (Kendy/?) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/17189/ [ have a VM for testing against, code looks good in general, need to verify push (Kendy) ] + come up with a fun new name for 'blocker' (Robinson) [ still accepting new ideas ] + register at the conference: http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/registration/ (all) [ mandatory from security reasons (Sophie) ] + re-arrange the help XML for the menu changes (Jay) [ Jay was away for vacation, promised to have a look at HelpAuthoring.oxt over the weekend (Kendy) ] + track support help XML status (Kendy) [ no news this week (Kendy) ] + UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael) + UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael) + check 'make check' on a Windows 32bit box instead (Norbert) [ Cloph installed that, will have that available for Norbert ] + promote Development Mentoring Lead Job Offer through all channels: Universities, Companies, Clubs, ex-GSoCers etc. (all) https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/15/tdf-freelance-job-opening-201507-01-development-mentoring-lead/ [ please spread the word (Bjoern) ] [ print some leaflets too distribute (Bjoern) ] * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 4.4.6 - status + RC1 - week 40 (week starting 28th September) + last of the 4.4 line + 5.0.0 - status / branch + heavy-duty triple-review process for libreoffice-5-0-0 branch + 1x review for 5-0 and +2 more for 5-0-0 + released on Wednesday + online update not updated yet, to be done tomorrow + Major bugs + anything else (Robinson) + Late Feature Status (Michael) + LibreOfficeKit / Online tweaks (Kendy) + no changes - mostly changes going into master anyway. + OpenGL / double-buffer RenderContext (Kendy) + OpenGL by default not achievable for 5.0.0 + propose re-visit @ ESC for 5.0.1 for some H/W on Windows. + gtk3+ (Caolan) + won't affect anything TDF ships for 5.0 + ongoing, but nothing for 5.0.0 + 5.0 splash / startcenter graphics / about dialog (Kendy?) + congrats everyone on releasing 5.0.0 :-) (Bjoern) + 5.0.1 - RC1 this week + why 3 weeks instead of the usual 4 weeks? (Miklos) + 5.0.0 got shifted, but 5.0.1 stayed (Cloph) + Late Feature Status (Michael) + LibreOfficeKit / Online tweaks (Kendy) + probably no more changes to be backported there + OpenGL / double-buffer RenderContext (Kendy) + still some render-context-related bugfixing going on (Miklos) + OpenGL by default to be re-visit @ ESC for 5.0.1 for some H/W on Windows. + gtk3+ (Caolan) + Android iOS Remote * UX Update (Kendy) + still vacation time + Heiko Jay discussed inserting online media * Documentation (Olivier) + Regina proposed some changes wrt. online help on the documentation@ ML * Crashtest update (Caolán) + unchanged since the last week + single .docx import crash, single .odt export crash + idea for additional check: export to .txt, and after re-export, export to .txt too, and compare? (Kendy) + to check for data loss + probably better to go after validation errors first (Miklos) * GSoC (Cedric) + Next important dates: + Aug. 21: pencil down start of evaluations + !!! 2 weeks from now !!! + Aug. 28: final evaluations deadline + conference travel - poking the students now (Cedric) + 3 students will definitely go, have registered + let's hope there will be more :-) * Hackfests (Bjoern) + Aarhus LibreOffice conference bits ? + Hackfest topic: C++11 in LibreOffice + look into easy, easy C++11 EasyHacks for that + like Stephans init list ctors for UNO-Sequences, or using type-alias etc. + !!!please file easy hacks if you have ideas!!! (Bjoern) + Hamburg, Germany: Oct 23rd - 25th +
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-07-29 [call canceled]
Hi, Just Mattias appeared in the first 15 minutes, so we canceled the call. Hopefully we'll have more people attending the next week! :-) [but it's vacation period, so...] All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-23
* Present: + Jan-Marek, Muthu, Thorsten, Sophie, Christian, Eike, Caolan, Miklos, Kendy, Robinson, Bjoern, Lionel, Michael S, Cedric * Completed Action Items: + post / collate regression tendering ideas - the board (Michael) [ now wait for the board to officially tender ] + take a look at tdf#91495 (Kendy) [ Tomaž did that, pushed to 5.0.0 too ] + chase Google / student travel budget (Thorsten) [ no definitive answer yet - but we should invite the students either way, TDF backs that if budget from G. is not enough (Thorsten) ] [ Cedric asked the students to ask Carol report back ] + send the script to do the Emjoi translation to Cloph (Laszlo) [ got it (Cloph) - l10n happy to have that included if it was in the previous RC's ] + file conference papers [!] (All) + Rendercontext design foo (Kendy) + ODF / TC bits (Andras) + file win64 / mork bug and poke David O etc. (Robinson) + Filed as tdf#92792 + update 5.1 Linux base-line to CentOS/6 to get KDE4 support (Christian) /usr/include/QtCore/qobjectdefs.h needs space-tweak, otherwise almost vanilla :-) [ even on tinderboxes provides builds ] [ gnome-vfs switched to gio ] * Pending Action Items: + get a non-TDF branded 5-0 set into git / master (Cloph) [ have the new files, but OS X dnd - but in the works will push the new 5.0 branding to the libreoffice-5-0 branch ] + move existing git images into a private TDF branded pack (Cloph) + increase availble disk for crash-test VM136 (Cloph/Caolan) [ cloph awaiting more info - what layout is needed ] [ Caolan guessed by the needs on his local machine, no need to do anything ATM, will get back to Cloph ] + review Guiseppe's webdav work in gerrit (Kendy/?) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/17080/ [ part 1 merged by Michael, more to do by Kendy / somebody ] + come up with a fun new name for 'blocker' (Robinson) [ please email Robinson if you have a good idea ] + file conference papers [!] (All) + please submit abstracts: + http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/call-for-papers/ + Ace of Base (Lionel) [ has an overlap with holidays ] [ you can come a day later maybe? (Thorsten) ] [ no problem for the papers committee - you can define the available days (Kendy) ] + register at the conference: http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/registration/ (all) [ mandatory from security reasons (Sophie) ] + re-arrange the help XML for the menu changes (Jay) [ Jay was away for vacation, promised to have a look at HelpAuthoring.oxt over the weekend (Kendy) ] + poke Jay / Kendy do we need to revert UI / menu changes ? (Sophie) [ Sophie was away, will have a look / poke today ] + track support help XML status (Kendy) [ new HelpAuthoring.oxt release ongoing ] + UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael) + UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael) + review ongoing pootle maintenance funding arrangements (Floeff) [ Sophie thinks he did it the last week - will check with him ] + check 'make check' on a Windows 32bit box instead (Norbert) + promote Development Mentoring Lead Job Offer through all channels: Universities, Companies, Clubs, ex-GSoCers etc. (all) https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/15/tdf-freelance-job-opening-201507-01-development-mentoring-lead/ [ please spread the word (Bjoern) ] * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 4.4.5 - RC2 status + tagged built on OS X and Linux; Windows ongoing + will be upladed later today + 5.0.0 - status / branch + heavy-duty triple-review process for libreoffice-5-0-0 branch + 1x review for 5-0 and +2 more for 5-0-0 + RC3 to be tagged later today + 6 patches still pending + 10pm will start export from pootle + please still review!!! + please really do ;-) - will poke people on IRC (Eike) + Major bugs + presenter console - not rendering on Windows (Michael) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91574 [ now fixed - but horrendous code and coupling in there reviews for -5-0-0 appreciated ] + no cherry pick request for 5.0.0? (Cloph) AI:+ will do one (Kendy) + please check EMF+ rendering too (Kendy) AI:+ will do (Robinson) + anything else (Robinson) + nothing on his shortlist + Late Feature Status (Michael) + LibreOfficeKit / Online tweaks (Kendy) + no changes - mostly changes going into master anyway. +
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-06-24
* Present: Andreas, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Marek, Mattias * Completed Action Items: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90790 - fixed (Kendy) * UI changes integrated the last week: + New Sifr icons (Matthias) + Additional tweaks to the standard, draw and text toolbars (Jay) + Breeze icon tweaks and new icons (Andreas) + New Galaxy icons (Andreas) + Fix cropped buttons in the start center (Kendy) + Fix missing Breeze icons in the icons*.zip (Kendy) + .ui files improvements (Adolfo) + lint-ui.py improvements (Rosemary) + Equalize width and height for impress/draw (Caolán) + http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2015/06/equalize-widthheight.html * LibreOffice Conference + September 23-25, 2015, Aarhus, Denmark + http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/call-for-papers/ + would be great to have you all there :-) - please submit a paper! * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + LibreLogo icons are not theme-able (Jay) + it's an integrated extension, not theme-able from principle :-( (Kendy) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92287 + would need change in how the extensions can get the icons (Kendy) + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Papamatti has pushed new icons (Jay) + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + Andreas has pushed some changes (Jay) + Breeze Dark (Andreas) + still in Kendy's action items... :-) (Jay) + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing * Templates Competition (Jay) + Wiki page setup https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Templates_for_LibreOffice_5.0 + templates competion out, announced last Thursday + not much submissions yet + will do something by himself in the meantime (Jay) + some dark theme + other basic ones (Jay) * LibreOffice 5.0 splash + start center + about box new theme (Kendy) + vote is ongoing in the Visual Identity group + results will be tomorrow, then finalized for the next RC + implementation of the new colors for the start center ongoing (Kendy) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90452#c45 * UI Guidelines (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + context menus discussed, happy with the results + sidebar will be next + context menu now in the wiki + next steps: sidebar, dialogs * Next Friday's design session (Jay) + Friday session this week + sidebar is next + 1:00pm CEST / 11:00 UTC + List of possible future topics + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing + Steve wants the sidebar configuration menu icon gone: it's useless confusing, thus user unfriendly, creates frustration and clutters the UI. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91824 * Calc default styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90937 + https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bt2Gr0JslOLL86xb-bCl76mji5AhHT_8VI-5Wp5Qyq0/edit?usp=sharing + agreed the new default: H217:H238 in the spreadsheet + cleaned version: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90937#c5 + Moggi busy now, for now will add him to the CC: of the bug + code for the hard-coded styles is here: + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/sc/source/core/data/stlpool.cxx#n275 * Improving the Use of Styles in Writer (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1onHj7GLNs-x9jMJBRsYaRLv_xsN3UJhP13P690L6ci8/edit?usp=sharing + many have contributed already, add your thoughts too (Jay) + main idea: encourage more people to use styles (Jay) + currently too hard to use, make it easier (Jay) + lots of missing visual clues missing for the paragraph vs. character style, and then it looks like Clear Direct Formatting does not work, etc. (Jay) + needs to be improved so that the styles are more used by more people (Jay) + everybody welcome to contribute! (Jay) * Formula bar function wizard button should open the functions pane of sidebar (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92219 + a
[libreoffice-projects] Splash, startcenter About dialog updates for 5.0
Hi, It was brought to my attention that some people did not notice in the ESC and Design meeting minutes that the graphics for the splash, startcenter, and the about dialog will update for 5.0, so let me write some details. The process is ongoing for several weeks now, the overall design will be based on https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90452#c45 and on ideas got from the contest (mostly Jun Nogata's splash - but it is not taken verbatim): https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding The final look is driven by a visual identity group that has representatives from Marketing, Design, and the TDF board. The hope is that the next RC will contain at least some of the work, and that all of you (and all our users) will like it :-) All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-06-17
* Present: Heiko, Jay, Mattias, Kendy * UI changes integrated the last week: + Impress menubar reorganized (Jay) + Added outline buttons to impress sidebar (Maxim) + Adapted the numbering popup to more than 8 items (Maxim) + Enabled gtk3 backend by default (Caolán, Miklos) + Fixed icon links (Jay) + More Background / Highlighting fixes (Tamas) + .ui improvements (Maxim) + More sifr icons (Matthias) + More breeze icons (Andreas) + TreeView in the Expert configuration dialog (Mihály) * Sifr icon patches that need to be cherry picked for 5.0 (Jay) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16115/ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16120/ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16128/ + Adolfo pushed + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16261/ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16254/ + pushed by Adolfo too * Important icons were removed by Andrew like lc_styleupdatebyexample.png (Jay) + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=18f41dfaf19d656d290c47d196ef2702e169a522 + restored lc_styleupdatebyexample.png + will check with Andrew what was the criteria for removal (Jay) * Problems with Icons (Jay) + MAB - links.txt + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90790 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92105 + is it possible to do build-time? Like, can one icon point to one icon in one theme, but to other in another theme (Kendy) + turns out there is some support for more links.txt's in the code, so a bug, not a missing functionality (Kendy) AI + fix it... (Kendy) * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + if an icon is missing, Jay can add the needed XML snippet (Andreas/Jay) + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Papamatti has pushed new icons (Jay) + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + nearly finished with icons (Andreas) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing + UI-freeze for 5.0.0 this week (cloph) + last chance to change default icon theme for other OS/decide not to change it * Templates Competition (Jay) + Wiki page setup https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Templates_for_LibreOffice_5.0 + need to sync with Italo, poked him (Jay) * Next Friday's design session (Jay) + Friday session this week + context menus, sidebars? Menus? + 1:00pm CEST / 11:00 UTC + List of possible future topics + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing + Steve wants the sidebar configuration menu icon gone: it's useless confusing, thus user unfriendly, creates frustration and clutters the UI. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91824 * UI Guidelines (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + content now in the wiki + next steps: context menu, sidebar, dialogs * Calc default styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90937 + https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bt2Gr0JslOLL86xb-bCl76mji5AhHT_8VI-5Wp5Qyq0/edit?usp=sharing + agreed the new default: H217:H238 in the spreadsheet + when done, will send the colors / style to Jay/Moggi (Mattias) + code for this is here: + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/sc/source/core/data/stlpool.cxx#n275 + moggi willing to spend some hacking on using an actual template file instead of the hardcoded stuff (Jay) * Improving the Use of Styles in Writer (Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1onHj7GLNs-x9jMJBRsYaRLv_xsN3UJhP13P690L6ci8/edit?usp=sharing -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-06-03
* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Jay, Steve * Completed Action Items: + Jay: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete (The styles are quite different and this looks poor in Mac. Adolfo) * Pending Action Items: + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar * UI changes integrated the last week: + Lower half of slide transition tab reorganized (Rishabh) + Shrink the properties sidebar sections in Calc (Rishabh) + Writer menubar reorganized (Jay) + Insert row/col before/after in Calc (Philippe) + Hide common task toolbar in master slide view (Philippe) + Tango updates (Adolfo, Jay) + Formatting, Impress and Draw toolbar improvements (Jay) * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + Sifr icons now fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete + The styles are quite different and this looks poor in Mac. (Adolfo) + unfortunately it is so with any fallback (Jay) + and breeze is closer than any other fallback (Jay) + the best would be to finish the Sifr theme :-) - designers appreciated! (Kendy) + breeze on mac - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=116255 + looks good! (Heiko, Jay, Kendy) + let's switch to that for the RC - and if there are complaints, revert (Kendy) + some general concerns about breeze, but in this case it seems to look work well (Heiko) + conclusion: let's switch to that now on OS X, and if there's push-back, revert + some icons have white instead of black on Windows (Jay) + bugreport: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91432 + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons (Adolfo) + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing * UX patches to approve backporting into 5.0 by (Kendy/Jay) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16030 (Bubli) + pushed + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16037 (Jay) https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16032 + pushed + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16061/ (Phillipe) + 2 more reviews needed (Bubli? Jay?) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16007 (Phillipe) https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/16034 + Waiting for ESC * Track changes sidebar (Jay) + Can we set a smaller size for the 4 buttons, so that the tab's minimum size can be smaller + asked Rishab fix this (Jay) + About the action column icons, it would be good to center it rather than having it aligned to the right and a formatting change has a plus sign, which should be changed to a 'T' icon like from textbox. Any possibility to have a tooltip above these action icons. + at the design session, did we decide to use text in the end, or not? (Kendy) + http://user-prompt.com/tracking-changes-with-libreoffice/ - use icons in the end + sw/source/ui/shells/shells.src IMG_REDLINE_INSERTED .. IMG_REDLINE_AUTOFMT + the actual icons are in icon-themes/galaxy/sw/res/redline_* + will ask Rishab to do the centering (Jay) + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5f363ce8bc563f64271744026cf0e16830cf9b06 + this implemented the icons (to
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-05-27
* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Andreas, Jay (late) * Completed Action Items: * Pending Action Items: + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete * UI changes integrated the last week: + sorting table in named ranges (Bubli) + update tango icons (Adolfo) + menubar fixes (Jay) * Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy) + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding + results: + contributions from 5 people: those listed on the page + one sent by mail + conclusion: send a mail to the visual identity committee what should be chosen, and how to proceed * UI Guidelines (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + agreed menus toolbars the last week (Heiko) + menus should contain everything - Eve can work with menus + while Benjamin prefers toolbars + Heiko will transfer the content to the wiki, and then writer a summary blogpost + announce on the mailing list + and a short blopost - about the recent changes (Heiko) /done + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/MenuBar + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar + http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-human-interface-guidelines-the-second-step/ * How autofilter should work (Mattias, Heiko) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63416 Should it be smart and try to guess about header fields (and possibly sometimes fail) or should it be always consistent and just assume the first row is the header (as MSO does it) + sorting is also affected by auto filter + check the competitor's solutions (Jay) - define test scenario first - what happens when autofilter buttons are placed in the middle of data rows - what happens when autofiltered data (some rows hidden) is sorted (using usual sorting tool) - what happens when you try to filter the autofilter row out (if it's treated as data, not in MSO) + consider to ask the community in case of more than one good solutions (Heiko) + mimic the bevahior of Microsoft Excel if there isn't better (Ibrahim) + resolved in the bug (mostly comment #29) (Heiko) conclusion in: + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63416#c29 + comparison of office suite behavior https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vW1orR4ZbXHDmQDpbJVH4N2f1w_iYP6GtDLYgJ4pWSk/edit + comment from moggi from IRC just a tip for the future (I'm not involved it in anymore): before you try to specify some calc behavior it might be a good idea to talk to the calc maintainers, calc has a few concepts that go through the whole program which might not be obvious to everyone * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + some icons have white instead of black on Windows (Jay) + bugreport: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91432 + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + More icons were pushed by Andreas (Jay) + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status -
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-05-06
* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Mattias * Completed Action Items: + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90790 + Kendy: agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos * Pending Action Items: + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete * UI changes integrated the last week: + Removed direct formatting context menu entries from comment objects (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86606 + Writer's image context menu reorganization completed (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87185 + Writer's table context menu reorganization completed (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86619 + Reorder the entries in the numbering drop down (Bubli) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69316 + improvements in the icons (Matthias, Adolfo) + sifr fallbacks to breeze, not the other way around (Jay) + implement crop via mouse in Writer, Calc and Impress (Philippe Jung) * Calc default styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90937 + https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bt2Gr0JslOLL86xb-bCl76mji5AhHT_8VI-5Wp5Qyq0/edit?usp=sharing + code for this is here: + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/sc/source/core/data/stlpool.cxx#n275 + would be great to update (Kendy) * Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy) + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding + it is a bit thin, so feel free to hack at it. + need some crafting on the Whiteboard as to scope of 5.0 branding proposals, e.g. + visual design (color scheme, icons) + StartCenter specifics (changes to layout--yes/no--) + placment or size of thumbnail views/template views etc. + already some responses to posts to Users and Design MLs + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements + reached to some people we know (Heiko, Jay) AI + put together the requirements + share with Heiko + Jay (Kendy) * UI Guidelines (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + should add information how to create new widgets (Heiko) + generally UI guidelines should be kept simple to avoid the stagation that more detailed documents get (Ken) + 1st part published, lots of feedback + put the 1st part to a wikipage (Heiko) + sounds good (Kendy) + move current https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines to temp * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + Applications icons: logos or icons? + Marketing team view: Applications icons are just icons. + Starcenter is a branded part of LibreOffice (Heiko) + conclusion: Up to the icon theme designers - if they want to theme those icons in the start center in their theme, they can + NB: Still there is the bug that wrong theme is used sometimes! - must be fixed for 5.0 + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-05-13
* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Mattias * Completed Action Items: * Pending Action Items: + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete * UI changes integrated the last week: + various improvements in the dialogs (Bubli, Adolfo) + various improvements in icons (Andreas, Adolfo) + thousand separator engineering notation in the sidebar (Laurent B-P) + better accelerators (Adolfo) + optimized PNGs (Andrew) * Calc default styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90937 + https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bt2Gr0JslOLL86xb-bCl76mji5AhHT_8VI-5Wp5Qyq0/edit?usp=sharing + code for this is here: + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/sc/source/core/data/stlpool.cxx#n275 + moggi willing to spend some hacking on using an actual template file instead of the hardcoded stuff (Jay) * Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy) + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding + it is a bit thin, so feel free to hack at it. + need some crafting on the Whiteboard as to scope of 5.0 branding proposals, e.g. + visual design (color scheme, icons) + StartCenter specifics (changes to layout--yes/no--) + placment or size of thumbnail views/template views etc. + already some responses to posts to Users and Design MLs + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements + reached to some people we know (Heiko, Jay) + Kendy had a call with Italo to agree details (Kendy) AI + put together the requirements + share with Heiko + Jay (Kendy) * GSoC (Jay) + when does it actually starts? (Jay) + https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 + coding begins on 25th (Jay) + but no problem sending code already now :-) (Kendy) + it of course counts as part of the GSoC (Kendy) * UI Guidelines (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + agreed menus toolbars the last week (Heiko) + menus should contain everything - Eve can work with menus + while Benjamin prefers toolbars + Heiko will transfer the content to the wiki, and then writer a summary blogpost + announce on the mailing list + and a short blopost - about the recent changes (Heiko) * Icon Updates / Issues (Jay) + this week mostly Breeze update (Andreas), also Sifr (Papamatti) and Tango updates (Adolfo) + some Tango-testing pushed to tango; communication ongoing + presentation templates icons - Jay working with Adolfo on that + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + few new pushed - thanks! + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + More icons were pushed by Andreas (Jay) + It should fallback directly to Galaxy rather than (Jay) http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/vcl/source/gdi/impimagetree.cxx#n110 + Extra-Large
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-04-15
* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Ken, Kendy + welcome Ken! - from the KDE design community * Completed Action Items: * Pending Action Items: + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets (Jay) + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete * UI changes integrated the last week: + Rearrange Chart toolbars https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90492 + .ui updates (Bubli, Clément) + improved page numbering in Calc and Draw/Impress (Dobra Gabor) + new Breeze icons (Andreas) + Sifr updates (Matthias) + show only extensions we are able to insert (Bubli) * UI Guidelines (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit + should add information how to create new widgets (Heiko) + would be good to have Friday session about this (Heiko) + so that we can have the functional visual parts there (Heiko) + generally UI guidelines should be kept simple to avoid the stagation that more detailed documents get (Ken) * Icon Updates / Issues + Shouldn't the icons in the Start Center always be the TDF/LibreOffice official Branding icons regardless of the icon theme? (Pedro) AI + best to agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos (Kendy) + Tango (Alex/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + pushed new icons for Calc (Jay) + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Papamatti pushed some new icons (Jay) + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + Andreas pushed more icons (Jay) + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing * How best to provide kendy with a list of needDevEval (Jay) + Should I include it in the UI/UX priorty list google doc? (Jay) + sounds good (Kendy) + will bring it to the ESC to find more interested people who can provide code pointers (Kendy) + ~10 is enough for now * Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy) + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding + it is a bit thin, so feel free to hack at it. + need some crafting on the Whiteboard as to scope of 5.0 branding proposals, e.g. + visual design (color scheme, icons) + StartCenter specifics (changes to layout--yes/no--) + placment or size of thumbnail views/template views etc. + already some responses to posts to Users and Design MLs + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements + reached to some people we know (Heiko, Jay) + now to spread the word more AI + sync with marketing (Kendy) * Shapes Sidebar (Heiko/Jay) + Blog posted - http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-shapes/ + additional reaction under the blogpost + don't forget the connector shapes + another +1's for accordion + topic closed :-) *
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-04-08
* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Mattias, Kendy, Stuart * Completed Action Items: + Heiko: Publish it in the Shapes sidebar blog post + Matthias: Provide a mockup of a single accordion collection of shapes * Pending Action Items: + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets (Jay) + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete * UI changes integrated the last week: + More reorganization of buttons in the Calc toolbars (Jay) + More Breeze icons (Andreas) + .ui improvements (Bubli) * Accordion widget (Heiko) + positivive feedback to possible use of the accordion widget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accordion_%28GUI%29 + it is quite a change if we introduce that in LibreOffice (Kendy) + development of the widget itself + native theming - Gtk+ / OS X / Qt / Windows - are there native impl's? (Kendy) + is there something close that would provide similar functionality in LibreOffice? (Kendy) + like a modified tree view? (Kendy) + different that you can open any level (Heiko) + powerful, but not that easy to use + actually it seems that eg. Calligra uses a modified tree view (Heiko) + disadvantage of accordion: uses quite a lot of space (Heiko) + would be good to have a graphical designer to think about this - just to have something nice creative (Heiko) + even accordion would be a big change - so we can experiment (Kendy) AI + create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept, so that we can try how it feels (Kendy) + interesting use case for trying the accordion could be the Tools - Options... dialog (Kendy/Heiko) * Icon Updates / Issues + Shouldn't the icons in the Start Center always be the TDF/LibreOffice official icons regardless of the icon theme? (Pedro) http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Breeze-Icons-tp4145012p4145242.html https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90387 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90127 + KDE HIG forbid to change the official icons (Heiko) + like, when you have the LibreOffice official icon / logo, it shouldn't be branded + are the Writer / Calc / ... icons actually logos? (Kendy) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Logos + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Icons + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements AI + best to agree with Marketing - if the app icons should have the status of logos (Kendy) + Tango + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + pushed new icons for Calc (Jay) + Sifr + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing + cleaning up with Andreas (Jay) + got into Ubuntu 15.04 + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing * Presentation templates for the LibreOffice conference 2015 (K-J) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/LibreOffice_Annual_Conference/Presentation_Template#Proposals + great work by Klaus-Juergen, thanks so much! (all) + unfortunately no other participants + we should have promoted that more, via G+ - sorry about that (Kendy)
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-03-25
* Present: Heiko, Mattias, Cor, David, Jay, Stuart * Completed Action Items: + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648 + grammar checkbox not accessible in calc and impress/draw + would be good to unify there name to something like 'Spelling Check', 'Spell Checker', etc + Spell Checking (Heiko) + removing and grammar seems nice, most people wouldn't care (Mattias) + languages other than English don't have grammar check (Jay) + Calligra uses 'Spell Checking' and MSO uses 'Spelling and Grammar' + Leave it as is and wait for grammar to be implemented in other modules (Stuart, +Heiko) + related implementation issues for handling the grammar checker -- seeking input from László https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88323 * Pending Action Items: + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets (Jay) + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete * UI changes integrated the last week: + Sidebar tabs in impress have been reorganized (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87904 * Icon Updates / Issues + Tango + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr + David said he'd like to assist with it + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Andreas got git access and is pushing changes + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + nothing new * Insert Special Character (Heiko/Jay) + Blog posted - http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-special-character/ (Heiko) + People quite liked the simple solution + Addition of an editable unicode name to allow search by symbol name suggested + All like extended solution, if it possible to implement * Shapes Sidebar (Heiko/Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sv3Q-XdnHElYGXX2m8OLbRAy1zyodcU231Gn2SkVRV0/edit?usp=sharing + Prefer the folder/file option because of consistency with gallery (Stuart) + Blog post should contain of accordion vs folder/file options only (Jay) AI: + Would prefer a single accordion collection of shapes and will provide a mockup (Matthias) AI: + Publish it in the blog post (Heiko) * Sidebar Hide/Show Button Color (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83527 + kingsoft - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=105799 + symphony - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=114446 + no decision reached * Next Friday's design session (Jay) + 12pm UTC (changed acc. DST) + No topic decided yet + List of possible future topics https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-04-01
Hi, Terribly sorry - these were the minutes from the 1st April, not from 25th March. I'll send the others shortly. All the best, Kendy Jan Holesovsky píše v Pá 03. 04. 2015 v 18:56 +0200: * Present: Heiko, Mattias, Cor, David, Jay, Stuart * Completed Action Items: + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648 + grammar checkbox not accessible in calc and impress/draw + would be good to unify there name to something like 'Spelling Check', 'Spell Checker', etc + Spell Checking (Heiko) + removing and grammar seems nice, most people wouldn't care (Mattias) + languages other than English don't have grammar check (Jay) + Calligra uses 'Spell Checking' and MSO uses 'Spelling and Grammar' + Leave it as is and wait for grammar to be implemented in other modules (Stuart, +Heiko) + related implementation issues for handling the grammar checker -- seeking input from László https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88323 * Pending Action Items: + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar + Jay: Create a bug report about problem with parent icon set links.txt entries not appearing in child icon sets (Jay) + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is more complete * UI changes integrated the last week: + Sidebar tabs in impress have been reorganized (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87904 * Icon Updates / Issues + Tango + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing + Sifr + David said he'd like to assist with it + Latest status of updates available here (Jay) https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + Andreas got git access and is pushing changes + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions + nothing new * Insert Special Character (Heiko/Jay) + Blog posted - http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-design-session-special-character/ (Heiko) + People quite liked the simple solution + Addition of an editable unicode name to allow search by symbol name suggested + All like extended solution, if it possible to implement * Shapes Sidebar (Heiko/Jay) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sv3Q-XdnHElYGXX2m8OLbRAy1zyodcU231Gn2SkVRV0/edit?usp=sharing + Prefer the folder/file option because of consistency with gallery (Stuart) + Blog post should contain of accordion vs folder/file options only (Jay) AI: + Would prefer a single accordion collection of shapes and will provide a mockup (Matthias) AI: + Publish it in the blog post (Heiko) * Sidebar Hide/Show Button Color (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83527 + kingsoft - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=105799 + symphony - https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=114446 + no decision reached * Next Friday's design session (Jay) + 12pm UTC (changed acc. DST) + No topic decided yet + List of possible future topics https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-03-18
* Present: David, Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Mattias + David for the first time - welcome! :-) * Completed Action Items: + Not using google docs for the design discussions [turned out to be a misunderstanding - OK with that for now] * Pending Action Items: + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001 + Stuart: Change the default to single page + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to Multipage view or Multiple page view [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would be great to get that to gerrit] AI: Stuart -- figure it out and get it posted. + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648 + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar * UI changes integrated the last week: + Auto/No Fill now has a button (Adolfo) + new breeze icons integrated (Andreas Kainz/Jay) + many icons optimized (Andrew Dent) * Icon Updates / Issues + Sifr + Breeze (Andreas/Jay) + http://arsenalrace.at/analytics/ak/libreoffice/ + Andreas will push to gerrit + pushed the changes sent via mail (Kendy)Kainz + looked like there were only few new icons - some got lost somewhere? (Kendy) + will ping Andreas (Heiko) + Breeze pushed today - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/14891/ (Jay) + conflict with Kendy's pushing :-) - fixed the links.txt (Kendy) + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for hidpi * Table of Contents (Heiko/Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89608 + updated the design session document, finalized + one button less in the UI, will update the latest mockup + topic closed * CMIS / online documents mockup (Heiko/Jay) + follow-up concerns + changing size of the dialog (Bjoern B.) + there are 2 good solutions; will be decided what's best (Heiko) + will publish with proposals for the solution of the concerns (Heiko) + can include more people this way indeed (Kendy) AI + will publish the blogpost (Heiko) * Friday's design session (Jay/Kendy) + 1pm UTC + this week's theme: Insert Special Character split/group button and dialog https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PxkIpkzgWF1cX9oQmBhjiTBhUXvUEqbz06Bn4hzbF54/edit?usp=sharing * Finished proposals + Change tracking sidebar proposal + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87695 + CMIS / Online repositories + do we have a central place for collecting the finished ones? + Design Session Folder - https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8usp=sharing + something that we can links from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CoreHacks + CoreHacks - something like EasyHacks for the more advanced tasks (that need some mentoring) + the bug number in the bugzilla should be the entry point (Heiko) + to avoid confusion what is the 'ultimate' source + consensus: sounds good * Uncluttering Impress default view and stop toolbars from poping up and hiding (Jay) + Disable object, image and text toolbars - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676 + Move view tabs to left slide sidebar - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87672 + Jay will create the mockups + Add media playback features to sidebar, so its toolbar can be disabled - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794 + Kendy needs to check implementation of the sliders + Slightly reduce the default sizes of the right and left sidebars + Do not hide slide pane in handout and slide sorter views + showing makes no sense with handout and sorter ? (Cor) + no real blockers to go ahead * Uncluttering the Draw default view (Jay) + What an
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-02-25
* Present: Cor, Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Octavio, Stuart * Pending Action Items: + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001 + Stuart: Change the default to single page + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to Multipage view or Multiple page view [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would be great to get that to gerrit] AI: Stuart -- figure it out and get it posted. + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648 + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) * Easy Hacks to be filed: + Kendy: The Window's closing button should indeed close the window, not dock the sidebar https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87217 + Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the Track changes toolbar when there are tracked changes + Kendy: Check how hard it is to make sidebar honor the icon size setting + Kendy: Easy Hack-ize fixing of uno commands that need to be duplicated in Draw and Impress + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84258#c2 + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for the Hi-contrast Sifr + Kendy: Adding 1.15 to the drop down list - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85949 + Kendy: Research what is needed to do to only disable (not hide) the formula bar in Calc when Chart component is activated + Kendy: Tell Jay how to fiddle with the default position of toolbars (so that he can tweak the Chart's toolbars) + Kendy: Only activate image toolbar when an image is selected - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87362 + Adolfo: Create easy hacks for the options Design decided to drop since 2012: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Options/Global + Kendy: Should border around an image have no padding by default https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360 * GSoC tasks to be filed: + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/GenialIdeas [styles previews in the sidebar etc.] + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available) + Kendy: On-demand / programmatic colorization of the Sifr icons * Code to push to 4.4 + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/14613/2 + done now * UI changes integrated the last week: + Master view toolbar docked (Jay) + Three contextual toolbars hidden in impress (Jay) + Rearrange Impress's drawing toolbar (Jay) + Improved Sifr, Tango, Oxygen icons (Jay) * Change tracking sidebar proposal (Heiko) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87695 + published, got a couple of comments + talked to Jay, got some improvements, they are on its way + protect document, compare document (Jay) + split button (button with the listbox) - yes or no? (Heiko / Jay) + technically it is possible to change to that, or not, let's decide this later (Kendy) * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart) (281 bugs in ux-advice today) + recurring topic to be used for UX advise bugs that need action + keeps piling up, unfortunately (Stuart) + everyone should feel empowered to look at that + act (Stuart) + but don't want to be a gatekeeper :-) (Stuart) + for the moment, Stuart will pick 5 for each meeting - the most burning ones (Kendy) + and let's see how it develops (Kendy) * Uncluttering Impress/Draw default view and stop toolbars from poping up and hiding (Jay) + With 3 default toolbars (2 on top and 1 down), view tabs area, and two sidebars on the left and right, the default UI of impress is very cluttered, which
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-02-18
* Present: Cor (bit later), Jay (bit later), Heiko, Ibrahim, Kendy, Mattias * Completed Action Items: * Pending Action Items: + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001 + Stuart: Change the default to single page + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to Multipage view or Multiple page view [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would be great to get that to gerrit] AI: Stuart -- figure it out and get it posted. + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648 + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128) + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay) * Easy Hacks to be filed: + Kendy: The Window's closing button should indeed close the window, not dock the sidebar https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87217 + Kendy: Do / find someone / easy-hack-ize automatic opening of the Track changes toolbar when there are tracked changes + Kendy: Check how hard it is to make sidebar honor the icon size setting + Kendy: Easy Hack-ize fixing of uno commands that need to be duplicated in Draw and Impress + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84258#c2 + Kendy: Create Easy Hack for the Hi-contrast Sifr + Kendy: Adding 1.15 to the drop down list - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85949 + Kendy: Research what is needed to do to only disable (not hide) the formula bar in Calc when Chart component is activated + Kendy: Tell Jay how to fiddle with the default position of toolbars (so that he can tweak the Chart's toolbars) + Kendy: Only activate image toolbar when an image is selected - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87362 + Adolfo: Create easy hacks for the options Design decided to drop since 2012: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Options/Global + Kendy: Should border around an image have no padding by default https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360 * GSoC tasks to be filed: + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to GSoC-next ideas + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/GenialIdeas [styles previews in the sidebar etc.] + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493 [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?] + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available) + Kendy: On-demand / programmatic colorization of the Sifr icons + Kendy: Change tracking UI in the document * Change tracking sidebar proposal (Heiko) + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UuZUJYOLPM3_LdW77OSAaUBpDhRg3iHSjo31DTUEEzk + lots of great discussions how to finalize the sidebar's look (all) + looks beautiful :-) + comment button (Jay) + for standard comments - track changes comments are in the ODF focuments only (Jay) + does it affect the sidebar design? + icons for changes (Jay / Heiko) + concerned about using icons (Jay) + would a tooltip be a solution? (Kendy) + many actions - insert / delete / ... (Jay) + hopefully could be simple enough (Jay) + but a tooltip would be really good (Jay) + not necessary to set the icons in stone - possible to change to text if the icons do not work (Kendy) * Last week's discussions that need a resolution: + Residual issues with BZ migration? Heiko not receiving digest subscription of ux-advise issues, while those taking all UX-advise seeing issues. (Stuart) + bugzilla was not sending the mails; fixed now (Stuart) - is fixed (Heiko) * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart) + recurring topic to be used for UX advise bugs that need action + keeps piling up, unfortunately (Stuart) + everyone should feel empowered to look at that + act (Stuart) + but don't want to be a
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-01-28
* Present: Cor, Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Mattias * Completed Action Items: + Jay: Update screenshots http://www.libreoffice.org/discover/screenshots/ [has a couple of them, will send to the marketing-priv ML] * Pending Action Items: + Default document view for Writer, single page rather than automatic https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001 + Stuart: Change the default to single page + Jay/Stuart: Change the tooltip to Multipage view or Multiple page view [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88001#c5 - would be great to get that to gerrit] + Jay: Double check if we can change 'Spelling' to 'Spelling and Grammar' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87648 + Jay: Send a mail to documentat...@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622 + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons Gnome 3-style text line icons + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897 + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue) and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion later) * UI changes integrated the last week: + Improve focus handling in .ui files (Thomas Viehmann, Caolán) * Last week's discussions that need a resolution: + Disable object, image, and character toolbars in Impress (Jay, Cor) To simply the interface by having just one toolbar above and below https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87676 + unfortunately we would lose the possibility to change the style first, and then draw (Kendy) + it is different to how it works in Writer - there you have no other option than to draw first, and then tweak the color (Jay) + current way is similar to eg. Inkscape (Mattias) + if we used the sidebar more, it would allow more space for the slide (Jay) + but interaction should be improved there, indeed (Mattias) + what about to restructure this a bit more? (Kendy) + proposed a sidebar for colors etc. together with shapes to draw (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87643 wps draw sidebar - https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=111225 * Discussions that need a resolution - continue the next week + Default insert image anchor and wrapping (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720 + OK with changing the default (Cor) + is more concerned about habviour around page breaks, but that is independent (Cor) + anchored to paragraph, centers the image + is that preferred? + others insert as character (Jay) + changeable via the default style (Cor) + MSO has only As character, and To page (Jay) + To character anchoring should be killed ;-) (Kendy) + adds terrible computational complexity (Kendy) + will create example of various anchoring possibilities (Mattias) * Discussions that need a resolution - backlog from the last weeks + When image anchor is set to 'As Character' it should set vertical align to top (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87742 + Unify wrap labels (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87783 + Unifying the location of 'Tools' (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85511 + non-breaking characters showing with grey background (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58434 + keyboard mode indicators in statusbar (Jay) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88367 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88296 + Underlines in drop downs (Jay) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86678 * Icon Updates / Issues + Sifr + Matthias added a couple of missing ones before the release + thanks so much! (Kendy) + otherwise busy these days unfortunately + Breeze (Jay) + no news + https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285t=123517 + Wiki with list of icons to design (Riddell) https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/LibreOffice_Breeze + custom LO icons https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons/tree/master/actions/LO_lc_icons_breeze * Customization Proposal (Heiko) +
[libreoffice-projects] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams
Hi Sophie, Mihovil, Mihovil Stanić píše v Po 26. 01. 2015 v 10:25 +0100: Cosmetic changes (~ to _ or Status to Status: or ... to … or those different quote styles I don't even have on my keyboard) and anything similliar - NOT OK if you don't script it for all languages Cosmetic changes (Big brown fox - Big Brown Fox) - NOT OK at all, change just for en_us, don't change my strings and don't even notify me you did it in en_us I see 2 problems here: 1) There is no tool that would detect these trivial changes, and would act accordingly. 2) The texts for translations are updated in big 'code' drops, without possibility for translators to affect the process in any way - for them it is too late. Regarding 1) - I thought that Pootle is detecting the trivial changes some way, and offering the original translation. Is it not? What can be done to improve that, so that for translators it is just a matter of checking; not a matter of translating? [Or even what you suggest - that it would just update the source strings without touching the translations?] Regarding 2) - I'm glad that you say that the strings will be now getting to Pootle immediately after the code / string changes in master. I think it is important that the translators will be able to deal with the changes immediately, not several months later, so that they can cooperate, and not only react. In general, I don't think that setting extremely strict rules works, unless you have means how to enforce them - like via a commit hook or so (and it is extremely unpopular way to do things). It is always much better to communicate - if you see a developer who commits a change that causes you grief, please _do_ tell _him/her_ immediately, and - if possible - in a friendly way. I'm sure he/she will do much better the next time. Unfortunately I did not see any signs of notice that this or that change was problematic for localization on the development mailing list - were there such warnings there? Like commit XY caused AB - please don't do such things, unless we agree how to do that effectively / without pain? Or was it impossible so far because the strings in Pootle were not synced with master? Also - should we have a 'Localization' recurring topic in the ESC? Who would be the right representative there, please? All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams
Hi Sophie, Sophie píše v Po 26. 01. 2015 v 16:19 +0100: Pootle will show you a modified string, even if it doesn't affect your translation you will have to validate the string again to have it on a translated state. Also we don't all work on Pootle, several of us are working off line and Pootle is only a repository for our files. But the offline files are taken from Pootle too - right? So if fixes are done at the time of uploading to Pootle, everybody gets them - correct? That's why we were thinking of a en_US version as a real language and different from the sources and But at some stage this will have to apply to the sources - and at that time, it will be even worse than now :-( I'm afraid having en_US as a separate language will make the situation worse, not better. also about scripting changes when possible (like the substitution of ~ by _) Sure - so I think this was something that could have been automatized with a trivial script; when this was noticed for the first time, please? Pity that it was not brought to the ESC as a problem... Translators are for most of them non technical people and will not see a commit, but only the result on Pootle, sometimes months later. The months later is the problem, not the non-technicality :-) It is enough to send something happened yesterday - please check what's up; similarly to how people are checking the daily builds. Also - should we have a 'Localization' recurring topic in the ESC? Who would be the right representative there, please? Maybe not as a recurring topic, but something that should be in mind of UX team and developers when they commit or check for commits that have a huge impact on l10n. Well - if it's not recurring, it's easy to forget ;-) Also I think it will be more effective to discuss this there - are you able to join this Thursday? All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: Switch Windows to MinGW [was: Minutes of the ESC call 2012-08-30]
Hi Lionel, Lionel Elie Mamane píše v Ne 02. 09. 2012 v 09:38 +0200: * Pending Action Items + 4.0 issues (Everyone) + everyone interested in cleanups - claim your work until next ESC! + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 * review: Windows release binaries produced using MinGW Generally, as a developer, I'd love that, because more familiar tools, etc. For the release builds, we are not there yet, I am afraid. But for development, it works reliably enough; meaning whenever I need to implement something Windows-only, I do that on Linux via cross-compiling. [Only from time to time, installation issues appear, like the recent missing nss/nspr.] All the best, Kendy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
