[libreoffice-projects] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01

[Michael Meeks]

On 01/06/2023 15:57, Miklos Vajna wrote:

* ESC tender project proposal process (Thorsten & Florian)

...

   + process draft, full text:
     https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/YprpsFP45z7a7p3


	Having spent time reading and providing feedback, when it was solicited 
on this draft, and having collected a number of obvious problems & 
suggested associated improvements - I'm surprised to have had no 
feedback on these:


https://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org/msg37.html

It was proposed as:

+ this is not a fait-a-compli from the board perspective
+ not necessary for the ESC to adopt something that may change
  in a week or two anyway.
+ for the moment - just play by the rules.

	And fair enough to follow even a somewhat flawed process in parallel 
with the next steps for getting a more workable process - ideally before 
this is adopted. What is the bottleneck there? legal time? or something 
else?


Thanks,

Michael.

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[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Caolan, Michael W, Michael M, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Eike, Heiko,
   Thorsten, Christian, Kaishu, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out list of papers to conference committee (Sophie)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/MigrateFromHSQLDB
   [ wiki page now has some content – thanks to all involved ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ another patch depends on this one, needs tweaking (Michael W)]
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, next week
+ 6.3.0 rc2
  + branching-off for libreoffice-6-3-0 – due this week
  + planning to tag later today.
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
  + can I push some UI patches
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75637/
  + link is highlighted in error (Heiko)
 + focusing something different no issue (Christian)
  + string change / polish (Heiko)
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75632/
 + abandoned it, not too important.
 + good to talk to /ask the translations/l10n (Michael)
   + if they’re happy, push it (Christian)
  + would like in today for rc2
  + there will be a 3rd rc3 as planned.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
241(241) (topicUI) bugs open, 219(219) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3)19(-10)38(-4)  82(-4) 
 commented 52(1)180(-25)   427(6) 1439(-2) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)   2(0)   20(2)  
  resolved  0(-2) 5(-3) 24(-3) 130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 64 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 49 changes in 1 month, and 243 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 30 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 25 changes in 1 month, and 230 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Jul/11-18

-> * Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus 
WordPro) 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173  
 + MUFFINi-ze 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-July/083144.html 
   * Context menu "open file location" from StartCenter thumbnail views 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126404  
   * Writer styles: Addressee and Sender group in subgroup Envelope 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126258  
   * Move Add/Edit/Delete buttons to right side in AutoRedact dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126431  
   * Rework Add/Edit AutoRedaction subdialogs 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126432  
   * Add a confirmation for deleting of target in AutoRedaction dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126433  
   * select shapes with the same style 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   => in discussion  
   
   * Sidebar Styles get style Icon support 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126450  
   * Ctrl-clicking hyperlink does not work in cell/text edit modes 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121039  
   => new 
   
   * Add opportunity for deleting of not existing file to "file does not
 exist" dialog in the Start Center 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126423  
   * Revise layout of HTML color palette swatches 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126403 
   => dup, wfm 
   
-> * LibreOffice components should be single apps on macOS 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97946  
 + only a single icon, you don’t get single module icons
 + request to split the install into single modules.
 + only a matter of adding launchers (Christian)
 + provide a template and pull it into your dock easily
 + D installer gets you 1 application
 + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Christian, Michael W,
  Michael M, Michael S, Sophie, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 2 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc2 – due soon ...
  + and branching-off there for libreoffice-6-3-0
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page for REDACTION (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + 27 proposals submitted
   + Triaging them with Sophie
   + deadline is July 23rd
+ Calc Guides
   + Working

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ just back from vacation, lots of work to catch up with.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
237(237) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(5) 29(7) 42(10)  86(11) 
 commented 51(17)   205(45)   421(40)1441(47) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  2(1)  8(0) 27(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Foote, V Stuart made 62 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 55 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 37 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 37 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 15 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Jun/27-Jul/11








  Tooltip for new drop-down widget in Formula bar in Calc should be another

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126315
 
  Exhibition of Headings sub levels are allowed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126325
 
  Tab colors in Calc should show the line version when inactive and full
  version when active to be more intuitive

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125729
 
  PDF shows only two pages of a document with three pages (one page is
  hidden in the odf document)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126284
 
  Writer styles: Heading subgroup for TOC related stuff

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126257
 
  Writer Character Styles are not intuitive to read

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126277
 
  Double-clicking fill handle should also overwrite down the entire range
  (until empty cells)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66890
 
  Enhance autofill to better sense data blocks with empty cells or columns

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126189
 
  Show in Styles sidebar only use specific styles

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126278
 
  In "Tools - Address Book Source" the Button "Address Data Source…"
  should be renamed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126232
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in Toolbar Paragraph 
  styles combobox droplist

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126196
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in the Sidebar 'Styles' deck

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126204
 
  Copy plus paste special with shift cells updates formulas after cells 
  are shifted

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44383
 
  Handling protected space (U+00a0) at word bounds

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125887
 
  Command and labels for Select to Start of Word, select to End of Word
  need correction

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126166
 
  Maximum header height and maximum footnote height conflict

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126011
 
  => unconfirmed/new








  Writer Character Styles: remove Rubies character style

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126276
 
  => invalid




* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ missing Caolan.
+ 6(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ ??? coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Gabriel, Christian, Stephan, Miklos, Drew, Thorsten, Caolan, Heiko
  Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Eike, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1
  + on the way to the mirrors
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagging next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2
  + tagging later this evening.
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
   + no negative feedback → can drop this item.
 + Zip parallelism (Miklos)
   + last complaints were resolved last week → can drop this.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + 6.3.0 beta2 up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing to report)
   + Bug https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125956
  “LibreOffice-6.x Off-Line Help Should NOT Require XDG”
+ Helpcontent2 
+ page maintenance )
+ update in new features (ohallo)
+ GS of Doc
+ Candidates are filling their Tech Writer forms
+ Guides
  + Activities in Calc guides
  + Math Guide revision by Kompilainen

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(-2)24(7) 34(3)   78(0)  
 commented 85(35)   164(52)   421(-4)1377(4)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 3(-5)  18(-6) 
  resolved  4(2) 10(1) 35(1)  135(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 541 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 245 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 23 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
+ New tickets with needsUXEval since Jun/13

   + Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
   + Correct/improve tooltips for tools on Drawing toolbar in Draw
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125939
   + Opening Quoted Quotes Not Properly Rendered
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125946
   + [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
   + Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
   + Add button name to extended tooltips
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
   => unconfirmed / in discussion 
  ->   + Enhancement request: Backport 6.3 FILESAVE dialog to 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125908
 + only available in expert config
 + not clear what we do, discussion is ~ongoing
   => not a bug (nab)
   + In Impress - Bullets and Numberings submenu not displayed when right
 clicking on a bullet
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125904
   => fixed
   + Print/Export should close cells first
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125932
   => new

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 7(-2) import failure, 5(-184) export failures
  + was a big export failure problem, now resolved, down to small numbers
  + an issue with threaded rendering from Armin
 + may need to re-disable it again.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 8 failures, none critical.
+ waiting for coverity
  + new version is now available
- c++2a not supported
- c++17 supported
  + builds under c++17, analysis site down, so builds, but not analyzed
  + can’t up-load the results to the site yet
  + looking forward to submitting the build, seems faster to build too
+ 2x security reports
  + minor one, Stephan looking at some extensions here
  + and a more serious one.
 + pushing dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+123) 1236 1113 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Drew, Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Mike K, Xisco, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Stephan, Heiko, Caolan, Gabriel, Christian, Miklos,
  Kendy, Luke

* Completed Action Items:
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
   [ not possible to check ‘experimental’ at this place (Michael W) ]
+ commit access
   + communication issue wrt. help (Sophie)
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
   [ run it, didn’t send results out yet but will ~now ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
  + next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 2 weeks out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ now included.
+ so far no reports about something not working
  but still to early to draw conclusions.
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
   + Lubos working on the bugs …
   + crash traces now showing file-names (Caolan)
   + problem with streams with bad CRCs
   + used to not care during loading, but saving shows the issue
   + discussed on the dev list – awaiting conclusion
+ pulled out files that cause issues for Lubos (Caolan)
   + these files were artificially generated Forcepoint files
   + doesn’t matter which way we go – ignoring them is fine.
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy ~50+ patches
   + and some problems here, breaking things in gerrit
   + another week until it gets there in core, lets see
   + perhaps punt it.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ last release punted out decision on removing HSQLDB
+ should we do that / who makes that decision ?
+ would like to see it go but – do we think it will work ?
+ not a good idea to remove HSQLDB in 6.3 (Drew)
   + migration assistant is not capable of moving the
 majority of files it can run across.
   + E-mail on dev. list about this.
   + recommend leave firebird active as in 6.2
   + recommend expose migration assistant as it is today
  + but reasonable set of data-types doesn’t work for
   + needs to be fixed & improving SDBC driver to have parity
 with HSQL – spend time to 6.4 to focus activities to
 encourage migration.
   + prefer to drop this for 6.4 ...
+ what is the state ? (Caolan)
   + firebird is the default in 6.2 (Drew)
   + in 6.3 we get the migration assistant out of the box.
   + suggest on the dialog box saying “want to migrate ?” (Drew)
   + link to a wiki page with a tutorial to help there.
   + tie it into some blog posts – to get some urgency here (Drew)
AI:+ add link to the dialog (Caolan)
+ do we have a migration tracking bug ? (Caolan)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116968
 + Bullets/Numbering dialog (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120905
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125642
+ work ongoing by Gulsah, Mike K., Caolan, Miklos, Andras
  scaling issues here (?) Mike K and Caolan poked it.
   + not totally happy on the workflow, but big improvement.
   + Gulsah plans to still work on it but on vacation (Miklos)
  + lets re-visit next week.
  + good for QA to look (Heiko)
 + makes most senese when known issues are fixed (Miklos)
+ UI only, not frozen yet, not really a late feature
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + branched b1 release coming soon.

* Safari issue with sandboxing (Christian)
+ as a sandboxed app Safari can’t access files in LibreOffice distro
+ user can’t click links and load our built-in help anymore.
+ affects existing LibreOffice released versions
+ should we ship a built-in webkit widget (?)
   + horrible that the web is not this cross-platform thing (Michael)
   + use the browser of the system, build our own help viewer again (Cloph)
+ can sandbox’d safari access localhost ports ? (Michael Stahl)
   + could have 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Gabriel, Michael W, Xisco, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16) - 2 weeks out.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + will create branch later this week.
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
+ working on the bugs ...
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy - would but like to get it in.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ do we re-visit this for 6.3 ? what is the state ?
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes for MacOS (cloph)
+ Helpcontent2
+ Fills, fixes and refactors (ohallot, libreofficiant, G. Kelemen)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Proposal submission phase, until end of june
+ Supporting candidates in their proposal
+ reviewing their work plan.
+ Guides
+ Calc guide on going

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 202(202) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(0) 11(-8) 27(-10) 73(-11)
 commented 31(-4)   145(-84)   457(-89)   1388(-76)
   removed  0(-3) 3(-2) 14(-2)  26(0)  
  resolved  3(0) 12(2)  39(-3) 134(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 101 changes in 1 month, and 611 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 24 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 22 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 12 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year
  Adalbert Hanßen made 6 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 41(+25) import failure, 5(+1) export failures
  + increased dramatically - mst did some work to take out
another patch - and put in some more asserts.
   + is it an overly assertive assert ?
  + most are calc crashers.
  + some in the zip area - assuming they are threading related.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 failures, none critical.
  + special env. var to make our fuzzers live needed
  + special pre-test now, but left out the env.var
  + pre-check was blocking us.
  + all fixed now and re-start
+ waiting for coverity
  + until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1460 (-297)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 293 (+16)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1295 (-237)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 2428 (-444)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ 929 (+810)
  + numbers looking good.

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Paris in Summer (Sophie)
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 6th
+ near Gare de Nord, La Mouette working on communication
  + designing a flier – avoids stomping on exams at end of June
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019 
  + hope to have a Hackfest NG setup again – mentees, please speak up!
  + people are adding themselves to the wiki already.
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
  + Brussels Hackathon (Thorsten)
  + pending October hackfest – needs confirmation
  + conflicts with Dresden – need a decision in May or so; pending …
  => 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Eike, Stephan, Olivier, Xisco, Michael S,
  Armin, Michael W, Cloph, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc2 status 
  released as final this week.
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
+ 6.3 alpha1: status
  + feature freeze: next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze: next week
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ enhancements for A11y (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontents2
+ page house keeping (ohallot, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Applicants to supply a work plan 
+ ~20 contacts, 3 responses.
+ hopefully more by end of the month
+ Guides
+ Calc Guide under work by doc team.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(3) 19(-2)37(0)   83(1)  
 commented 61(-7)   241(10)   569(24)1463(35) 
   removed  3(2)  5(2) 16(1)   26(1)  
  resolved  5(4) 11(1) 44(0)  134(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 105 changes in 1 month, and 617 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 53 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 33 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 27 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 270 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 13 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/16-23

  * For (mail manage wizard) in (Tools) and in the step (Select Address
List) in case where the choice board is empty  and  are activated
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125330 
  * Add a link to FAQ to "JRE missing" message box
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * Writer – Aspect Ratio Incorrect When Making Image Fit Paragraph Width
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124888 
  * LibreOffice Theme dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125448 
  => in discussion, unconfirmed, needinfo

  * Tip of the Day dialog has different default controls for tips with and
without links, making different behaviour for simply pressing Enter
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * The tabs of the layer tabbar are much too wide in Draw without the
protect icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125403 
  * Implement different border colors depending on the LibreOffice app
launched on Windows
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125443 
  * Add Ctr+D and Ctrl+B to populate content from adjacent cells
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125417 
  * Bad layout in "Save As" dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125453 
  * Elements pane: Items not reachable without mouse
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65587 
  => new

->* The updater has never worked for me (on Linux) and manual
updating is extremely cumbersome
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125451
+ assume this is never seen in distro builds (Michael)
+ always only had the check-for-updates (Christian)
   + are they talking about this feature ?
   + or the un-released experimental incremental update from Markus
   + that’s not on Linux (Heiko)
+ works on Linux – only for daily builds (Xisco)
+ won’t get rid of update is available thing (Christian)
   + can improve the UI of course but … it stays.
  => 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Xisco, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S, Gabriel, Eike, Drew,
  Stephan, Cloph, Sophie, Miklos, Armin, Michael M, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.3 alpha1: tagged, builds uploaded, except Win32 (had to redo the build)
  + feature freeze: week after the next week
  + please announce late features next week, if there will be any
+ 6.2.4 rc2 – tag planned for today
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpontent2 
 + XML Fixes, typos (fitoshido, A Gelmini, ohallot)
 + fix contents (bubli)
 + review of l10n issues (A. Timar)
+ Goggle Seasons of Doc
 + 16 Tech Writer candidates, 
 + mostly students
 + Evaluating their tech Writer skills.
+ Guides
 + On going Calc update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4)21(-2)37(1)   82(1)  
 commented 68(13)   231(14)   545(30)1428(21) 
   removed  1(1)  3(-2)15(1)   25(1)  
  resolved  1(-3)10(-1)44(-2) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 104 changes in 1 month, and 600 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 30 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 262 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 29 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 9 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/09-16

  * hyperlink choice should be remembered
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125246 
  * Wrong toolbar colors on Windows classic theme
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124851
  * duplicate assignment of accelerators on a single menu disrupts keyboard
use, eliminate duplicate accelerators
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125227 
  * Footer can not be made to appear only on the first page after it has
been filled with content
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125280 
  => DUP, WF, NAB

  * change default grid size to 25x25 mm = 1x1 zoll
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125275 
  * UX: The Find bar should search in “Current selection only” if a cell
range is selected
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125282 
  => in discussion

  * horizontal separator between notebookbar and main view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124667 
  => NEW

  ->  * Replace Mozilla themes with a proprietary tool reusing the existing
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125217 
  * Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
  * Provide an option to hide the animation effect
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124477 
  * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or as
character
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
  * Missing color name(s) in Conditional formatting dialog, hard coded color
values not present on standard.soc
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125289 
  * wrong Bar color name in the Data bar dialog (#FF instead of Blue)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125288 
  * Replace hard-coded chevron by themable icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125296 
  => easyhack

  ->  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => needsDevAdvice

+ patch to show a What’s New infobar pointing to the releasenotes
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/72218/ (review pending)

  => please carefully update the release notes

 + what version do we include in there ? (Christian)
 + majors so 6.1 or 6.2
 + why not just chat to Christian (Michael)
 + keep it as it is ? (Heiko)
 + use what 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Sophie, Olivier, Stephan, Christian, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Xisco, Gabriel, Caolan, Eike, Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out GSOC welcome mails on Monday & next steps (org admins)
+ poke NISZ to see who would want to attend (Michael)
+ enable gtk3_kde5 for x86_64 distro config (Christian)
[ enabled it for the 6.2.4 rc1 builds
  was missing a sanity check – now fixed in both branches ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc3
   + released on Tuesday
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – status
   + rc1 on mirrors.
   + rc2 – tagged next week
+ 6.3 alpha1: due this week – perhaps evening
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
   + 6.1.6 source released.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
+ Helpcontent2 (no news)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Contacting possible mentors
   + TDF will have only 1 project
  + at best 2 projects but 2nd not garanteed
   + Need to select the 1st project
  + LOOL Guide ?
  + Calc Guide ?
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
  
+ Guides (non GSDOC)
   + New community members joining for Calc revision

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 23(2) 36(1)   81(1)  
 commented 55(-20)   217(1)515(26)1407(10) 
   removed  0(-2)  5(-1)14(0)   24(0)  
  resolved  4(2)  11(0) 46(0)  130(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 106 changes in 1 month, and 590 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 65 changes in 1 month, and 224 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 214 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 35 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 31 changes in 1 month, and 260 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 
year

+ New needsUXEval between May/02-09

  * shift-click for absolute reference when entering formulas
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125118 
  * New print dialog: Page Format is always A4
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123076 
 ->   * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or 
as character
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720 
   + change the default from “to paragraph” to “as character”; 
 ask the community about preferences and introduce option in case of 
 a split
=> needinfo, in discussion
   + sounds like a good move (Miklos, Caolan)
   + match the similar default in Word.

  * Customizations made to Writer are not present in Master Document view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67014 
  => WF

  * UI: Show 'Go to first/last page' in new print dialog
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125130 
  => easyHack, needsDevEval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (+0,-0) issues  
+ Crash testing:
  + 82(+72) import failure, 54(+44) export failures
  + big jump this week – single set of assets from starmath
 + backed out since lets see …
  + other crashers – some fixes in gerrit.
  + one writer crash – not reproducing even on test machine
outside of the run.
  + don’t expect to get back to zero for a couple of iterations.
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 public – hyperlink bits
  + MITRE pushback on description, resubmitted
+ need to duplicate versions in the text.
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 895 (+3)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1294 (-30)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 68 (-)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1832 (-88)
  + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Sophie, Thorsten, Olivier, Christian, Michael W, Eduard A, Caolan,
Michael M, Michael S, Xisco, Heiko, Eike

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc2 – status
+ tagged, but bug found by fuzzing, so will be an rc3
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – this week starting April 29th
+ 6.3 alpha1: next week
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Added “copy-to-clip” for BASIC and Python code (ohallot)
 + fixes in Javascript (buovjaga)
+ HelpContent2
 + New pages for Calc functions (ohallot)
 + Add release info on Calc functions (ohallot, M Kaganski)
 + refactoring of some Help pages (buovjaga)
 + More pages on Python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Google seasons of Doc
 + TDF accepted as mentor org – Yay!
 + Please forward your name for mentoring !
 + spike in interest too.
+ Books
 + New interested Authors/revisors

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 209(209) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(0) 21(1) 35(1)   80(2)  
 commented 75(4)216(-1)   489(-4)1397(7)  
   removed  2(2)  6(1) 14(1)   24(2)  
  resolved  2(-1)11(0) 46(-4) 131(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 93 changes in 1 month, and 577 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 64 changes in 1 month, and 191 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 62 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 48 changes in 1 month, and 211 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 8 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year

* New needsUXEval between Apr/25-May/02

  + Feature request: A similar approach of Dark mode like in MS Office which
do not override any document color & picture.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124969 
  + The descriptions of Safe Mode options are misleading
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120269 
   -> + Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
   -> + Replace single toolbar with contextual single
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125040 

   -> + Cell Formatting for URL websites, or other URI schemes
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124994
   -> + Custom page size missing from print dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78916 
   -> + Insert > Data Labels opens wrong dialog for all data series 
(as opposed to individual data series)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124995 
  => needsDevAdvice

  + uno:Hyphenate toggle in calc, draw, impress but not in writer menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125032 
  => Easyhack

  + looking at recent files list we should see the path info
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125076
  + Default shape name should refer to kind of shape instead of just Shape
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124989 
  => DUP/NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (-5,-0) issues
  + found a new issue that was back-ported to 6.1 - can fix before it got 
out.
+ Crash testing:
  + 10(+4) import failure, 10(-12) export failures
  + new pivot-table issue, some bits from Noel's optimization
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 assigned
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 992 (+114)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1264 (+161)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1920 (-93)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 1503 (+634)

  + No symbols for win 6.2.3.2 updated → https://paste.ee/p/wJqrW
+ talked with Moggi who was on vacation
+ checked - symbols for latest version were not updated.
+ could swear I didup-load (Christian)
+ if not there, symbols 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Olivier, Christian, Eike, Kendy, Thorsten, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan,
Michael S, Michael M, Michael W, Stephan

* Completed Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
+ drop ESC advice on alien formats into relevant bug ticket (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291#c15 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – next week starting April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
   + tagged before the call – builds triggered
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fixes in build (sberg, himanjin1)
+ Fixes in search (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes (ohallot)
+ updates in function names (kompilainen)
+ Google Seasons of DOC
+ Awaiting April 30th for response
+ Guides:
+ Stalled. Will interact with GSoD

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(7) 20(10)34(9)   78(11) 
 commented 71(30)   217(34)   493(35)1390(66) 
   removed  0(-3) 5(-1)13(0)   22(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 11(-4)50(-5) 132(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 89 changes in 1 month, and 568 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 70 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 63 changes in 1 month, and 208 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 20 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 10 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Apr/18-25

  * Context toolbar make jumping ui
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 
  * Formatting: Formula result has different alignment than regular values
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124860 
  * close button on menubar didn't use the color of the menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124928 
  * Save icon breaks icon customization
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98193  
  => in discussion

  * Help->About LibreOffice dialog does not specify whether 32 or 64 bit 
is installed
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124936
+ proposal is to add 32bits when its not 64.
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  => new/easyhack
+ currently option is Never
   + it is dangerous currently (Heiko)
 + might need an update.
 + can re-calculate alien formats
   + Is there a good reason to break calcs ? (Michael)
   + no way to detect if you need re-calculation (Eike)
 + would be there always for Alien formats.
   + sometimes we have to calculate this (Eike)
 + can have some other wording, but …
+ suggestion is two-fold (Heiko)
   + not having a blocking dialog
 → info-bar is not controversial (Michael)
   + ask the user or not.
 → asking the user is controversial (Michael, Eike)
+ problem can be with files stored in an older version (Eike)
   + these can need re-calculating from an old version.
   + if we add a bug & then save it – things break (Kendy)
   + perhaps safest always recalculate – but poor performance (Eike)
  + could depend on the version – before 6.2.3 
eg. but not a friend of that.
   + new, older + alien format options ? (Heiko)
  + not clear to the user why he should choose any of them (Eike)
   + should do something familiar (Michael)

  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => wfm

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 12 (+2,-0) issues
  + fix in gerrit.
+ Crash testing:
  + 6(-2) import failure, 22(+18) export failures
- export failures are really 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Eike, Miklos, Xisco, Michael S, Heiko, Gabriel, Christian, Michael W,
Michael M, Caolan, Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 – announced as final today.
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – week after next starts April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
  + to be tagged next week – last one of 6.1.x
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is now updated for Java SDK
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Fixes (sberg)
+ Help content2
   + New pages for Python (libreofficiant)
   + Housekeeping (ohallot)
   + reviewing some clunky patches in gerrit (ohallot)
+ Google Season of Doc
   + please add your ideas in the wiki (‘til 4/22/2019)
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides
+ slow improvements on Calc guide update
+ “Tip of the day” as GSDoc ? (Heiko)
+ add some mentor to the page for that (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 207(207) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added 11(6)  17(5)  32(4)   74(3)  
 commented 46(-20)   192(-19)   481(-1)1351(19) 
   removed  3(3)   6(0)  13(2)   23(2)  
  resolved  3(2)  16(-5) 56(-3) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 65 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 47 changes in 1 month, and 259 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 187 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 20 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Apr/11-18

  * menubar show icon in an separte column next to text
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124789
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  * Paste structured text without format but with styles
 -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124764 
  * Option required to show low resolution preview instead of full
resolution for smooth navigation of documents with high resolution
linked images
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117754 
  * Unable to use keyboard to activate the header/footer frame menu button
pop up menu from header/footer edit window
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124113 
  * PARAGRAPH BORDER: Modification border always adds a new border
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124748 
  => unconfirmed/in discussion

  * Update to version 6.2 broke personalisation (theme)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123911 
  => dup

  * Hyperlinks' fonts keep changing when saved/exported as PDF
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123777 
  => new/bug

 needsDevAdvice
  * List incompatible features when saving to alien formats in detail
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291 
+ prototype for solution in c5; feasability unclear
+ trad. answer is – better to fix the interop problems (Michael)
+ 15 highlighting colors doens’t go to MSO (Heiko)
+ why do we have so many ? (Michael)
+ its lots of work scanning the doc to find problems (Michael)
+ two sides – better to spend energy supporting (Miklos)
+ on other side – the CSV filter “only current sheet”
+ some merit to this.
+ in the past did have some scanner code to detect
+ this was removed.
+ remember the filter collection / warning (Caolan)
+ back in the day – more effort to detect missing than impl. It
+ perhaps for big features works, but micro-level tricky.
+ PDF export has something like this too.
AI: + drop chunk into the bug & send to QA (Heiko)

* Crash Testing 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

From last Thursday - somehow I forgot to post; thanks to
buovjaga for the reminder:

* Present:
+ Olivier H, Christian, Xisco, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie,
  Heiko, Caolan, Michael W, Stephan, Gabriel, Michael M, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ have a script that creates number of consecutive failures,
needs to be hooked up to alerts ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – status
   + tagged and built; being up-loaded to pre-releases then mirrors
+ 6.1.6 rc1 - status
   + tagging later today – final release for 6.1.x line
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:
   + 6.2.3 release up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Reverted proposed patch for makefile (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
 + page for ‘–convert-to’ filters names (buovjaga, ohallot)
 + Pages for handling events in Python (libreofficiant)
 + Fixes in pages (ohallot)
+ GSoDOC
 + Compiling projects
+ Guides
 + On going Calc Guide

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 206(206) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 12(-2)27(-4)  70(-8) 
 commented 78(31)   203(28)   482(-15)   1326(-58)
   removed  1(0)  6(0) 11(1)   21(1)  
  resolved  2(-2)21(0) 60(0)  130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 75 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 60 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 26 changes in 1 month, and 233 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 19 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Apr/04-Apr/11

   * why toggle function DrawText, HyperlinkDialog and Horizontal Line
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124673 
   * remove formular toolbar from writer -> view -> toolbars
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124642 
   * tabs in calc (for sheets) and draw (for layer) style
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124572 
   => in discussion

   * 7x
   => resolved dup, wfm, nab, wf

   * OPTION DIALOG: Add option to show page margins
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124510 
   * jumping ui in calc (pastespecial drop down menu with/without arrow)
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124561 
   => new

   * writer>menubar>Edit> .uno:ShadowCursor isn't related to select subgroup
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124665 
   * HideWhiteSpace should be positive Show Whitespace
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124686 
   * Menubar: Show icons for the most important items
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124649 
   * Add a spellout outline numbering style
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124608 
   * Easier use of CSV in Wizards->Address Data Source
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113753 
   * FORMATTING: paragraph alignment options position is unintuitive
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65473 
   * UX: Handling of empty textboxes
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107825 
   => accepted, easyhack

   * Fix accessibility warnings in .ui files
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119931 
   * Print dialog: margin and distance input are mixed up
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124567 
   => fixed, work in progress

   + always a good idea to test the defaults (Michael)
 + same used for file I/O & UI (Miklos)
+ test this with documents.

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 10 (+20,-21) issues
+ dynamic calc col change seems to cause these
  + back to where we started.
+ Crash testing:
  + 27(+21) import failure, 6(+5) export failures
 + jump 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Michael M, Gabriel, Eduard A, Miklos,
  Heiko, Kendy, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, Michael S, Eike, Sophie,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Michael W

* Completed Action Items:
+ take a look at symbol / crashtest bits (Markus, Christian)
  [ server ran out of disk-space so couldn’t process them → now fixed ]
+ get Laurent Alonso commit access (Miklos)
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ seems like it is sorted ]
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  [ too late ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  [ also expired ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
[ done manually for now – should be done next week ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no release this week.
+ 6.2.3 rc1 available on mirrors
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – available next week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 next week
   + tagging Thur after 6.2.3
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Replacement icons now in gbuild (ohallot, buovjaga)
   + have a donation button in the help too now.
+ Help contents 2
   + Housekeeping and maintenance (ohallot, libreofficiant, A.Gelmini)
+ Google season of Code / Docs
   + registered TDF as organization (ohallot)
   + working on projects (ohallot djredaux)
   + would love suggestions for simple projects so 
 we can find tech. writers
   + “Easy-doc”.
   + not for students but for technical writers.
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides 
   + more updated on Calc Guide (J. Weber)  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 225(225) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 14(0) 31(1)   78(-1) 
 commented 47(-7)   175(9)497(55)1384(8)  
   removed  1(1)  6(1) 10(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  4(-4)21(-3)60(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 567 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 39 changes in 1 month, and 157 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 9 changes in 1 month, and 27 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Mar/28-Apr/04

* Sidebar Separator lines
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
* calc menubar: SheetCommentMenu should be in EditMenu instead of
  SheetMenu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124523
* LO request to enhancement: make the '?' sign workable in Help -> About
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124541
=> in discussion

* Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar
  in Tabbed interface
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
* FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
   ->   * 'Pick a Color' dialog: Give option to add a color to the custom
  palette
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124418
   ->   * Change case -> Sentence case doesn't honor selection; case of entire
  sentence changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49033
* Redundant undo/redo items in grouped compact bar
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124392
=> accepted/forwarded

   ->   * Change bullet styles names in Style section of Sidebar in Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124471
=> fixed today.

* toggeling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, UI
  unclear about this
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
* Unable to use keyboard navigation to 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Miklos, Michael M, Michael W, Heiko, Kendy, Christian,
  Olivier, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:
+ commit access for Grzegorz Araminowicz (Miklos)
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
  [ keeping an eye on it ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ number to zero – so perhaps solved ? ]
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  + mentors much appreciated.

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging this evening.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 week after next.
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is being updated (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes support for IE11 (buovjaga, himajin10)
+ Added module name to Contents links (ohallot)
+ housekeeping (A. Gelmini)
+ Helpcontent2
+ No news
+ Guides
+ more chapters reviewed for Calc Guide
+ Ch 7 (ohallot)
+ Ch 2 (D. Barton)
+ Ch 6 (Jean Weber)
+ Need a new chapter for Calc Statistics
+ anyone interested?

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 226(226) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 14(0) 30(3)   79(1)  
 commented 54(-3)   166(-9)   442(20)1376(-7) 
   removed  0(-1) 5(-1) 9(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  8(0) 24(5) 59(8)  132(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 73 changes in 1 month, and 558 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 36 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 26 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 25 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 20 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 12 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between Mar/20-28

   * Sidebar Separator lines
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
 => in discussion

   * Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar 
 in Tabbed interface
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
   * FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
 => accepted/forwarded

   * toggling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, 
 UI unclear about this
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
   * Unable to use keyboard navigation to access Brochure radio button 
 in Print dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124249
 => WFM, NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(-2) export failures
  + suspect export failures are transient / intermittent.
+ coverity suspended – until it supports c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + build got broken there, fixed now again
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  + ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 837 (+46)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 875 634 (+241)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1295 (+59)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1227 (+79)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 724 (-)
  + looks good for latest version, still have a symbol issue
  + not a generic issue with all reports (Christian)
+ just a display issue – all on the same category
+ all current versions should be handled correctly.
+ when searching for crash reports in libmerged: plenty have
  symbols resolved.
+ problem is 6.2.2.2 (Michael)

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

o:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 
broken duration: 0.00%
master gerrit lin jobs: 541 ok: 388 ko:  28 fail ratio:  5.18% time for ok: 
mean:  21 median:  19
master gerrit plg jobs: 557 ok: 329 ko: 109 fail ratio: 19.57% time for ok: 
mean:  43 median:  39
master gerrit win jobs: 584 ok: 322 ko: 109 fail ratio: 18.66% time for ok: 
mean:  67 median:  67
master gerrit mac jobs: 568 ok: 376 ko:  80 fail ratio: 14.08% time for ok: 
mean:  42 median:  28
master gerrit all jobs: 502 ok: 237 ko: 192 fail ratio: 38.25% time for ok: 
mean: 124 median:  92
   + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_190307.html 
   + connectivity issues with our hoster
 external buildslaves keep loosing connection
  + have to keep re-launching bots
  + disconnects are auto-retried, no manual re-scheduling involved.
   + no major problems last week – cywin box issue.

* l10n (Sophie)
+ weblate still in testing
+ deadline for LibreOffice Asia conference CFP is March 10

* auth-plugin on gerrit was updated (Christian)
+ the Google+ method will be disabled completely soon
+ hopefully no-one noticed.
+ SSO magic ? (Michael)
   + will be hooked up in future – but left for now (Christian)
  + getting closer to having this populated with devs. 

* QA update (Heiko)

+ Please help flesh out the monthly reports:
  https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief

+ Xisco off for the next week; Heiko updating us on QA.
+ no new most pressing bugs.
+ UNCONFIRMED: 581 (+36)
+ enhancements: 78  (+2)
+ needsUXEval: 0 (-1)
+ haveBackTrace: 2 (+0)
+ needsDevAdvice: 14 (-1)
+ documentation:  10 (+1)
+ android:  11 (+0)
+ Most pressing bugs:

+ New
[ none ]


+ Older
+ Crash in: ScFormulaResult::GetMatrixFormulaCellToken()
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123479
+ Benjamin Ni / Markus taking a look

+ PRINTING Crash calling print config dialog in specific case
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121439
+ potential fix thanks to Luboš – needs testing ...

+ Crash after accepting all changes from compared documents
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109376
+ M. Stahl ? Two different crashes (?)

+ Crashes on UNDO
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120754
+ dtardon / Caolan. Its an extension, so I'm guessing that
  one of the steps is outside undo control

+ Fixed
+ Writer crashes after undoing + redoing ToC insertion...
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123446
+ thanks to Michael S

+ Crash in: libc-2.27.so after setting Named Ranges to e.g. F:F
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122643
+ thanks to Luboš Luňák

+ Crash in: libsclo.so Copy block of cells to clipboard with focus
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121949
+ thanks to Luboš Luňák

+ Crash when cutting some content
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118707
+ thanks to Lubos

+ LibreOffice opens but crashes when entering data on macOS 10.14
  Mojave
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121778
+ thanks to Miklos / Stephan (?) 


* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
  +144  +13 (-111) overall)
  many thanks to the top bug squashers:
   Heiko Tietze11
   Eike Rathke 8
   Caolán McNamara 5
   Mark Hung   5
   Mike Kaganski   4
   V Stuart Foote  4
   Aron Budea  4
   Katarina Behrens (CIB)  4
   Aleksei Nikiforov   4
       Michael Meeks   4

+ top 10 bugs reporters:
   Nicolas Christener  8
   Aron Budea  4
   NISZ LibreOffice Team   4
   Pablo   3
   raal3
   Tor Lillqvist   3
   Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  3
   Michael Weghorn 2
   laurent.terrosi 2
   david.cortes.rivera 2

+ top 10 bugs fixers:
   McNamara, Caolán4
   Budea, Áron 4
   Aleksei Nikiforov   4
   Meeks, Michael  3
   Hung, Mark  3
   Behrens, Katarína   2
   Michael Stahl   2
   Aditya Sahu 2
   roumanet2
   Weghorn, Michael2

+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
   *UNKNOWN*   9
   Brinzing, Oliver8
   D

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier,Sophie, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Michael S, Michael M
  Christian, Caolan, Miklos, Thorsten, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  + not done → abandoning for now.

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + delayed a little – some external library fixes 
   + on mirrors now and ready to be distributed.
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + tagging it this weekend sometime.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + pages CSS tweaks (fitoshido)
 + improvements in build robustness (sberg)
 + updates XLST

+ Helpcontent2
 + updates in contents (libreofficiant, ohallot, fitoshido, Mark
   Robbinson, Mike Kaganski, A Gelmini)
 + Most screenshot are currently useless (tdf#123765)
  + dialogs with tabs are collapsed – missing other tabs
  + can’t use the images.   

+ Help editor
 + Investigating the integration of editor with gerrit
 + lots of work to do here.

+ Guide books
+ Team is growing with arrival of US based volunteers
+ willing new contributors here - shifted meeting for them

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 257(257) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-1)17(0) 36(-1)  98(1)  
 commented 55(19)   135(-3)   428(17)1440(15) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(0)   18(4)  
  resolved  2(-2)14(-6)44(2)  124(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 83 changes in 1 month, and 586 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 30 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 152 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 221 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 163 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 18 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 17 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 112 changes in 1 year

  + New needsUXEval between Feb/21-28

* Envelope dialog: Make dialog more a11y friendly
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107625
=> New

* Proposal of Enhancement for Writer / Table of Contents, Index or
  Bibliography
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123673
* Proposed Scale Tool feature
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123713
=> WFM

  + New proposed easyhacks – help with code pointers appreciated. 

* Disable "Close Bezier" when multiple objects are selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90373
* Cartesian System
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120582
* Reorganizing “Border” tab on “Format Cells” window in Calc
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100548
* add "coil" to draw basic shape menu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50998
* Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - no change: redline-related (?)
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 8 issues, 7 timeouts, 1 OOM 
  - down one from last week
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ had a run, but did not get any new ones; probably fixed
+ CVE issues
+ will be able to handle CVE’s ourselves (Caolán)
+ CNA process
+ asked in the meeting wrt. stupid stuff in the past
   + all not expected
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco, Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 1064 1039 (-25)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1478 1260 (-218)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 382 444 (+62)
  + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Eike, Caolan, Michael M, Stephan, Christian, Miklos, Thorsten,
  Michael S, Xisco, Aditya, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Showroom, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ PVS Stdio
  [ MikeK plodding through remaining issues & will ask for re-trigger ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ]
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC2 status
  + tagging next week, final release announce with 6.2 final after FOSDEM
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagged, need to re-build windows source checkout.
  + mac build is up-loaded,afterbuildwill up-load Linux
  + marketing put announcement back until after FOSDEM   
  + people want to be at home and react properly  
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + tweak in Search box (buovjaga) 
+ Helpcontent2
 + Several pages for Python + Basic Programming (A. Romedenne, ohallot)
 + Typos and cleanups (A Gelmini, A. Barrientos)
 + Graphics updates to svg (Mark Robbinson) 
+ Guides
 + Calc guide updates 
+ Prep for FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 270(270) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2) 12(0) 49(-2)  97(-3) 
 commented 71(25)   158(30)   437(20)1451(2)  
   removed  1(0)  2(1) 11(1)   15(0)  
  resolved  8(-3)23(3) 38(5)  119(6)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 556 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 47 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 285 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 26 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 
1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 12 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

  * New needsUXEval between Jan/17-24

 * notebookbar tabbed switch with keyboard shortcut to different tab
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121586
=> NAB
   
 * Shortcuts for shapes in Draw/Impress
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122928

 * Add shortcut keys / hotkeys to set zoom level?
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82679

 * When opening the navigator, the caret is no longer positioned on the list
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122900
   => unconfirmed/in discussion
   
 * Custom Shortcut not working properly on OSX
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122391
   => bug

 * Styles dropdown menu has wrong tooltip: "Create style from selection"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74446
   => new, easyhack

 * Writer does not include a key combination to insert thin spaces
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121596
   => patch submitted, input welcome (U+202F NNBSP too wide with Liberation
Serif, U+200A HAIR SPACE too small maybe)
   + is it an ‘insert character’ UNO command with a parameter ? (Michael)
  + ideal not to add large numbers of UNO commands 1 per character  

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+0) import failures, 15(+0) export failures
  + crashtesting vm suspended, causing problems:
- https://status.documentfoundation.org/incident/140/
  + pretty sure mstahl has one fixed, and another is isolated & reproducible
+ ?? was 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + https://community.synopsys.com/s/article/Coverity-Scan-Update actually
now coverity is completely down for everybody with no ETA for
  

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael W, Stephan, Michael S, Michael M, Heiko,
  Xisco, Caolan, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for 6.1 for now (Justin L)

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]
+ discuss PVS Stdio on dev list – someone look into it ? (Thorsten, MikeK)
  [ report came attached to a bug – need to ask for a re-run ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, builds are all up except win32 (building)
  + RC2 during the week of FOSDEM – plan to tag on Wed 30th
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagging due next week.
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online
  + up-loaded rc2 source

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ more WIP for Help Editor:
+ https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2019/
+ https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/help_editor/index.html
+ Using to check XHP and page rendering.
+ Helpcontents2
+ several fixes in page (SophiaS, A Gelmini)
+ Pages on Python (A Romedenne)
+ Updates pages for deprecated resources (ohallot)
+ pages for undocumented resources - eg. shift-F5 (ohallot)
+ Some refactor to spare L10n workload (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Stalled

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 271(271) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 12(-2) 51(-4) 100(-5) 
 commented 46(-8)   128(-16)   417(-20)   1449(-7) 
   removed  1(0)  1(-2) 10(-1)  15(-1) 
  resolved 11(8) 20(7)  33(6)  113(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 39 changes in 1 month, and 543 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 38 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 20 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 19 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 242 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 14 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 142 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 8 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jan/10-17

* LibreOffice 6.2 notebook tabbed bar is missing RTL and LTR buttons
  after enabling CTL
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121589
* Notebookbar context related toolbars are visible
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122087
* context Menu: remove tabletext.xml from sd modules
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120844
* Explain in the style dialog that Outline & Numbering options are
  disabled due to style being assigned to Chapter Numbering
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122637
=> NEW

* Print (selected) pages harder to use in new printer dialog in 6.3+
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122707
* calc and draw sheet tab hardcoded black color actions
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122734
* UI: Shape background color depends on template
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122725
* Table background color not changing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122486
=> in discussion

* Add zig-zag lines for table borders
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122766
=> unconfirmed

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+9) import failures, 15(+15) export failures
  + import issue should be fixed in the next round.
  + export looks like related to redlining
  + but not isolated a reproducer yet -
+ ?? 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M,
  Olivier, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ reach out to Zotero (Michael)
  [ not obvious how to move ahead; technology & license (AGPL)
installed it (Heiko)
   + Java - 100Mb install, connectors to different apps
   + LibreOffice connector – as an extension ]
+ blog poll with ~50/50 acceptance to drop bibliography (Heiko)
  [ some accept getting rid of it, others say minimum func.
makes sense for basic users without online connection.
Could do a GSOC project (Samuel volunteered) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
+ 6.2 RC 1 status
  + ready for the bug hunting Friday tomorrow.
+ 6.2 RC 2 – due week 2 – Jan 17th  
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 after RC2.
  + Late Features
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ merged into master & 6.2 branch in time for RC1
+ except for document indexes – still being worked on
  which should be finished by tomorrow.
+ is it enabled by default ? (Xisco) 
 + yes enabled by default (Michael S)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + will provide a new version to the app store but no up-loaded yet.
 + Online
+ 6.2 rc1 source up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Added  for proper rendering of python code (ohallot)
+ Work on online editor: render XHP page while editing (ohallot)
+ Help contents2
+ many fixes by translators (S. Horacek, Sabri Unai, ohallot)
+ miscellaneous fixes (erAck, ohallot)
+ additions and corrections for Basic and Python pages (libreofficiant)
+ Issue: How to add menus and toolbars for new UIs such as:
Notebook bar, simple bar, grouped bars, etc.
   + Huge work to describe UNO commands in new UIs. 
   + each page describes where a tool is eg. “menu → format → character”
   + considering all the cmds in an interface – quite a lot of work.
   + also confusing to list several (Michael)
  + the resulting is the same but the way to get it different.
  + should be able to do it programatically from
.uno:Format to a path in the UI.
   + menu never changes (Heiko)
  + help on notebookbars – perhaps just drop that.
  + concerned about the workflow around notebookbar,
too many options in the UI – and not close to usability.
  + we have five variants of similar UIs – which goes in &
is documented ?
+ development of new ones is easy.
  + propose to ship 1, not an arbitrary number of them.
 + making it an extension kills it (Michael)
+ few people install them
+ why should that be ? (Heiko)
   + practically it is – fixing that is hard (Michael)
 + if we get XML somewhere – can get it on pages (Olivier)
+ right transformation to find the files & simplify docs here.
 + in the end it is all .uno:Foo commands (Kendy)
+ menu/toolbar/sidebar
AI: + send some quick code pointers to Olivier (Kendy)
+ Guides.
+ Updates ongoing on Calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-6) 19(-3) 61(-1) 102(-1) 
 commented 35(-21)   147(-19)   435(-1)1444(-8) 
   removed  1(1)   6(0)   9(1)   13(1)  
  resolved  3(2)   7(1)  22(0)  111(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 92 changes in 1 month, and 547 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 37 changes in 1 month, and 284 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 32 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 353 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Caolan, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Michael W, Heiko,
  Stephan, Sophie, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Mert

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Guilhelm wrt gandalf → to poke admins (Christian)
  [ Markus volunteered to look at this & ~all is well (Stephan) ]
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ run the script – and mailed it out ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still failing when languages are enabled.
Not sure if it is related to langtag things –
perhaps a coincidence ? - more digging required ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
  + will up-load builds during the day.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + want to tag early to help out bug-hunting with builds before Friday
 + aiming for Tuesday evening – please help out reviewing patches.
  + currently require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + Late Features ?
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ a flurry of activity in the private branch private/mst/redlining4b
+ pretty confident.
+ running mass-comparison framework from Milos 
+ should be in a good shape next week.
+ with consent of ESC – if none of the BZ docs trigger problems.
+ as close to production ready as possible.
+ crash testing ? (Michael)
   + input documents are the set of bugzilla docs (Thorsten)
  + lots of overlap
  + also using it with no experimental (Xisco)
  + don’t without the branch (Thorsten)
=> merge it into RC1 – not experimental anymore.
   + easy to turn off later – just a 1 liner.
   + happy to have a kill-switch too (Miklos)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + thanks to Stephan for fixing C++ exceptions here
  + updated tinderbox to recent debian so it now builds.
  + Christian has access to recovery console too now.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Updates in XSLT + DTD for Python code fragments
 + writing python documentation / help
 + Help
 + Fix typos from translators review (ohallot, Sabri Unal)
 + some refactor (SophiaS)
 + Fix menu paths for recent UI (S. Horacek)
 + New pages for Python Scripts (ohallot, libreofficiant)
 + New pages for StarDesktop, Enum objects (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + Work in progress

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(1)  22(-6)62(4)  103(1)  
 commented 56(-12)   166(-2)   436(12)1452(-16)
   removed  0(0)   6(-2) 8(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  1(-1)  6(1) 22(-1) 112(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 91 changes in 1 month, and 534 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 33 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 226 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 124 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 17 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 10 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 8 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Dec/06-Dec/12

   * Wasting of time and bad behaviour when you use the 'clone' of the cell
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121876
 => NAB
   * Mail Merge toolbar hidden on next run if it was manually enabled
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122002
 => NEW
   * default padding around Images
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122063
   * Some enhancement request for customization dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121939
   * Some enhancement request and issues for the Personas dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121937
   * Can't select/pick multiples shapes or images in
 Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw with CTRL key
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121967
   * Data loss risk referencing slides from external impress presentation
 (Menu Insert -> File, selecting link)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51554
 => in discussion

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Michael S, Kendy, Stephan, Heiko, Christian, Michael M,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Xisco, Eike 

* Completed Action Items:
+ fwd port experimental firebird migration patch to -6-2 (Xisco)

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ hope to have run for next time ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still WIP] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2 Beta 2 – no request → skip  
+ 6.1.4 RC2
  + due next week tagging expected Tues.  
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar: merged to master & -6-2 (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
+ trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ preparing a back-port of parts already done to -6-2 branch
   + can merge this branch tomorrow
+ doing some testing / fixing of crashers from printing & 
formatting 
+ have a few more issues to fix
+ can we turn it out of experimental in master ? (Thorten)
   + then we get crash-testing – next week perhaps.
 + showstopper fixed for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ thanks to Mike K.
 + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
+ how to know ? - checkout release notes
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + tinderbox off-line while it is updated to gcc7 baseline.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing this week)
+ Help contents
+ pages fixes and refactor (A. Gelmini, erAck,
M. Kaganski, LibreOficiant, ohallot)
+ New help page on OpenPGP encryption (ohallot, bubli).
+ Guides
+ Team working in updating Calc Guide to 6.2

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 285(285) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 28(-4)58(2)  102(3)  
 commented 68(34)   168(7)424(37)1468(30) 
   removed  0(-5) 8(0)  8(0)   13(-1) 
  resolved  2(2)  5(-3)23(1)  113(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 60 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 50 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 16 changes in 1 month, and 115 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 9 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
   + 11 new needsUXEval between Nov/29-Dec/06

   * Rework tab Header/Footer in dialogue Page style in Calc
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121777
   * Autocorrect: an option to avoid auto-capitalization of some words
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121779
   * Doesn't active menu item Insert->Headers and Footers in Calc 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121759
   * Table with no styles created by table picker differs from a table 
 with no styles created by insert table dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121816
   * UI: Name of options section "HTML Compatibility" doesn't match 
 the wider scope of available options
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121837
   * The problem of drawing trapezoidal graphs
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116672
   * Gutters
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121883
   * Horizontal table borders appear slightly fatter compared to 
 vertical lines and compared to previous versions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121026
   * Unsaved changes to document indicator invisible
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121814
   => New/In discussion
   
   * UX - Simplify Page Border Menu & Provide Basic Cover Page Templates
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121864
   => Accepted
   
   * Tabbed UI in Windows does not get theme color - remains white.
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121877
   => Dup

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1 (+0) 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Miklos, Stephan, Michael S, Olivier, Xisco, Caolan
  Michael W, Sophie, Michael M, Drew, Christian, Heiko,
  Thorsten, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ add commit access & welcome Mert Tumer (Michael M)
+ mend Android tinderbox (Christian)
  [ has build failures, but is back ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ set it up on the build-bot that was Kendy’s no results yet ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, uneventful – collecting builds to up-load 
+ 6.2 Beta 2 slot (?)
  + any requests for this – else skip it.
  + are daily builds sufficient for Notebookbar testing ?
  + Andreas K proposed to have a B2 (Xisco)
 + Notebookbar enabled in B1 already
 + not particularly worried about having one (Heiko)
  => no beta 2 planned.
 + can request next monday if big changes.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/63883/
+ terminology in discussion, review pending
+ agreement to have this – 90 days alternation with get-involved.
+ how do we label / approach the people.
+ an option to turn it off ? (Michael W)
   + yes → lots of ways to do that (Heiko)
   + prefer to have this as a compile time option (Michael M)
=> merge it.
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ hoping to finish a few 10’s of patches to get interactive editing
  bits into a state where basic things work.
+ will be some more complex bits to do after that.
+ autoformat pieces – makes splitting paragraphs harder.
 + showstopper for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ Kshitij’s patch was reverted – seems like a show-stopper.
+ a problem with toolbars that pop-up or not
+ marketing people are doing work, and disappointment is great.
+ MikeK may be looking in his spare time (Caolan)
   + patch at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/64256/
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + Online

* Base / Firebird migration assistant (Xisco)
+ was experimental in 6.1 – now it’s on in 6.2
+ should it be on by default ?
+ also triggers the conversion dialog when a macro is run (Christian)
+ this breaks a number of external projects:
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121599 
+ rather important (Drew)
+ why don’t we make it experimental still in 6.2 ? (Miklos)
+ so more time to fix in master.
+ not convinced it is ready without a code update (Drew)
+ will we have it in another six months if experimental again ? (Xisco)
+ if not on in master – no test coverage, so good to have on (Thorsten)
+ don’t think it’s a bad thing on master (Drew) 
   + if the issue on when it prompts to start the conversion
 then could have it on in 6.2
   + waiting for someone to take an interest here (Michael M)
=> fwd port patch so it’s experimental again in 6.2 (Xisco)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + added new (extended) XML tags for simpler markup (ohallot)
 + Added code highlight for BASIC code (ohallot)
+ Helpcontents
 + New pages for Basic and VBA (A. Romedenne)
 + Fixes in help pages (A Gelmini, ohallot, fitoshido)
 + Help entry pages on using Python scripts (ohallot)
+ Guides
 + Team delivering first updates on Calc book
 + discussing on how to bypass bugs.
+ updated wiki pages on how to write help pages.
 + also documenting new XML extensions.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 284(284) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-2) 32(-3) 56(-1)  99(-1) 
 commented 34(-41)   161(-42)   387(-22)   1438(-28)
   removed  5(4)   8(5)   8(5)   14(5)  
  resolved  0(-4)  8(-2) 22(-3) 116(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 80 changes in 1 month, and 349 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 52 changes in 1 month, and 283 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 38 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 15 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Eike, Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Xisco, Michael M,
  Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ didn’t get to the build failure ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ all well.  
+ 6.2 Beta 1
  + cherry-pick from master to 6.2 branch
  + feature frozen, but no reviews needed yet for 6-2
  + optional beta 1st week in Dec. 
  + otherwise RC1 is due Dec 17th.
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ not decided yet if we go with it.
+ can we get the strings in ? (Michael M)
   + still a couple of weeks here.
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S) 
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default 
+ 6.1.4 RC1 next week 48, Nov 26
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + Online
+ 6.2 branch & Beta1 source release  

* Printing dialog (Kompi - not here)
+ status update on:
  https://gist.github.com/danielfaleiro/992aa39557f8475b8f4daa3af4bb3052
+ anything actionable here ? (Thorsten)
   + dislike the "hassle things into the project" approach (Michael)
+ expect to get plenty of bugs when it hits real users (Thorsten)
   + need someone to step up to own / fix issues.
   + easy part is the merge conflicts.
+ similar story with GSOC side-bar (Xisco)
   + completely understand not merging it.
+ any volunteers to shared fixing ? (Thorsten)
   + can do a fix or two, but not all of it myself.
   + may have a look (Michael W)
=> looking forward to Daniel continuing to finish this & merge it.

* CentOS base-line for KDE bits ? (Christian)
+ had already bumped it for 6.2 – for gtk3 / KDE5
+ 64bit Linux build on CentOS7
+ 32bit Linux still on CentOS6
   + platform is missing these newer pieces.
   + not got the new gtk/kde support but has new compiler.

* Compiler baselines (Stephan)
+ Plan at 
 
“Re: Compiler baselines”:
+ If nobody objects, we'd update the build baselines on master
  (towards LO 6.3) as follows (cf README.md):
+ Windows: from Visual Studio 2017 to Visual Studio 2017 version 15.7
+ macOS: from Xcode 8 to Xcode 9.3
   + expect tinderbox / builders are at 9.3 anyway. 
+ Linux GCC: from GCC 4.8.1 to GCC 7
+ Linux Clang: from Clang to Clang 5.0.2
+ Clang compiler plugins: from Clang 3.8 to Clang 5.0.2
+ flex: from 2.5.35 to 2.6.0
+ gperf: from 3.0.0 to 3.1
 + any objections ? otherwise impl. thus.
 + Android ? (Michael)
+ tinderbox is dead too …
+ using the NDK-16 (Christian)
   + C++ run-time deprecated,
 and bump to NDK18 to llvm C++ runtime
 where exception handling is broken.  
AI: + mend tinderbox (Christian)
 + MacOS / toolchain ? (Thorten)
+ if dropping unmaintained stuff - no problem.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
  + fixes and enhancements in Index (buovjaga)
 + Helpcontents
  + Typos (SophiaS)
  + Pages updates (S. Horacek, M. Kaganski)
 + Guides,
  + many discussions on templates 
  + procedures for guides updates
 + plenty of activity.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 298(298) - needsUXEval
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(-5)35(0) 57(3)  100(4)  
 commented 75(8)203(0)409(18)1466(-9) 
   removed  1(-1) 3(1)  3(1)9(1)  
  resolved  4(2) 10(-2)25(-1) 121(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 118 changes in 1 month, and 368 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 115 changes in 1 month, and 550 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 52 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 44 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 31 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 29 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 15 changes in 1 month, and 55 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 12 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 11 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
   New needsUXEval between Nov/16-22th 

 * Standard (Viewing Mode) toolbar does not have the close icon
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121490
   => Assigned/Fixed
 * Add button in tabbed mode
  

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Michael M., Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Xisco, Heiko,
  Michael W, Stephan, Eike, Michael S., Christian, Thorsten 

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ didn’t get to the build failure ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze status
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S) 
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default 
  + will create branch and tag later today
  + merged red-lining branch (Michael S)
 + can display documents in document view properly.
 + more bits to do – wrt. applying paragraph properties
 + still an experimental mode option
 + hope to be done by then end of the year
 + can kill the ‘too many red-lines’ dialog.
 + can’t get rid of removal when export to ODF (yet)
 + perhaps get it on by default in 6.2.0 – decide on 
   Dec 17th at UI freeze deadline (Thorsten)
   + need to update build-slaves for 6.3 ? (Stephan)
 + best to update LODE first to make it easy (Christian)   
+ 6.1.4 RC1 week after the next (week 48, Nov 26)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
   + needs to be fixed for ARM to use the latest NDK.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Improvement in index search (buovjaga, sberg)
   + Fix png → svg icon replacement logic in XSLT (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page on VBA FormatNumber (ohallot)
   + how to use the VBA compatibility option. 
   + REGEX calc function (ohallot)
   + OpenType font features (ohallot)
   + Typos in contents (SophiaS, Agelmini)
   + http → https in links (SophiaS)
   + Fixes after translators review (ohallot)
   + clarifications in text (caolán, M. Kaganski)
+ Literature (Guides)
   + wiki page for writing Help contents (Sophie)
   + wiki page on Using NC client (ohallot)
   + review of Calc chapters (D. Barton, D. Jensen, C. Crumbley)
+ tests on mathml for equations in help pages
   + seems only to be there in firefox, but works quite well.  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 296(296) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 15(10)35(12)54(14)  96(14) 
 commented 67(39)   203(37)   391(64)1475(51) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)  2(2)8(3)  
  resolved  2(-2)12(0) 26(-1) 125(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 136 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 95 changes in 1 month, and 526 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 46 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 44 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 21 changes in 1 month, and 174 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 20 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 15 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 14 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  * New needsUXEval between Nov/09-15

* Paragraph settings are unavailable when an image is selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120520
  => WF
* Autocorrect strikeout writing convention potential for unintended changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121377
  => WFM
* The buttons "convert to ODP format" or "use PPT format" are ordered
  differently
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121311
  => NAB
* Table Design from Impress should be available in Calc and Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121307
  => DUP
* Tooltip for Color Bar interactions missing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121437
  => ENH
* Groupedbar Audio or video contextual menu is deformated
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117689
  => BUG
* Change the AutoFormat Table Style button in Calc for several icon sets
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120918
  => ASSI
* StarOffice fonts still in use in wizard templates
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113720
  => ASSI
* Group Header and Footer styles together at the hierarchical view
   + 

Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[Michael Meeks]

Hi there,

On 09/11/2018 11:58, Edoardo Maria Elidoro wrote:
> I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental.
> The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved both
> the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really useful
> and nice feature to have.
> 
> I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental.

IIRC the ESC agreed to have the option to enable it appear by default
at least in the run up to 6.2 to encourage more people to play with and
(hopefully) debug the functionality.

Hopefully it will be in a good enough state for 6.2 final - but there
is no real magic way to make developers come & get involved and fix the
shortcomings short of encouraging them when they show up, and
evangelizing to / mentoring them.
> Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho <
> mota.pr...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor
>> aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are
>> far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar
>> that warrant more attention.

Would be interested in a tracker bug for those; I'm interested in a
good, ordered list of the nastiest Mac bugs to fix.

Thanks !

Michael.

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Caolan, Kendy, Olivier, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Stephan,
  Michael W, Michael M  

* Completed Action Items:
+ characterize perf. Impact of changing icon scaling algorithm (jmux)
[ tweaked the makefiles, takes a while to load PNG to SVG
  is cached, takes a few seconds – happens (Heiko)
 + PNGs were in ZIP files and sorted to improve I/O ? (Michael) ]
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ fixed in 6.1.3 – missing up-loads (Markus) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.0.7.3 and 6.1.3.2 released this week.
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze next week
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ 6.1.4 RC1 week after
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ No news
+ Andres K is up-loading new icons for new help.
+ Help contents
+ Typos and fixes (SophiaS, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Reformulating workflow with NextCloud + LooL
+ Working and templates for Calc Guide
+ support for newcomers.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  5(-9) 23(-5) 40(-7)  82(-14)
 commented 28(-63)   166(-35)   327(-41)   1424(-77)
   removed  0(-1)  0(-1)  0(-1)   5(-1) 
  resolved  4(0)  12(0)  27(0)  126(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 132 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 485 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 60 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 20 changes in 1 month, and 275 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 16 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 12 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 11 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
   + New tickets with flag needsUXEval between Nov/01-08

 + Change name (description) of 4th argument to VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP to
   "Sorted range lookup"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121090
 ++ TRACK CHANGES: linked files changes are not shown in the master document
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121166
 + Western acronyms not correctly formatted in RTL context
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121182
   => WFM
 + Single page not centered when in multiple-page view
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95076
 + In CALC, the Data autofilter GUI does not have consistent controls
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76882
   => WFM
 + [Feature request] Search on Options
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121160
   => DUP
 ++ LO Impress: Option Double Underline is disabled
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121233
 + LO Calc -> Format -> Text -> there is no checkbox for option Double
   Underline
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121239
 + personas different header/fooder files for different LibO apps
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121174

   + Bring Notebookbar out of experimental state for 6.2 (Heiiko)
  + META ticket https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102062
(missing customizable, extensions cannot register icons, 
 chart and other sections missing, resize issues, a11y, macOS glitches)
  + Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62959/
  + Agreement from marketing & QA
  + hope to attract more development when it is non-experimental
  + would like to see it by default (Xisco)
  + when people report issues – if no-one fixes them then what ?
  + should ensure we have a means of improving it quickly.
  + don’t see ~any development here – just minor changes.
  + Jim is looking at the a11y issues (Heiko)
  => put this option on for 6.2 betas / Rcs for now & re-visit later

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 7 (+2) import failure, 2(-2) export failures
+ found webdav problem and fixed it
+ ?? 8 (+0) coverity issues
+ ?? Google / ossfuzz:
+ 15 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Stephan, Caolan, Xisco, Olivier, Heiko, Eike, Andras,
  Thorsten, Michael

* Completed Action Items:
+ give Rizal Muttaqin commit access & welcome (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ not yet sure what’s happening ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian, Xisco)
+ 6.0.7 rc3 status, release on Monday
+ 6.1.3 status, release on Monday
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze due Nov 12th
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
+ Online

 * Backport tdf#119020 "Icons are corrupted on Windows when scaling UI / OpenGL"
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62686/
+ 6.0 has been tagged so this patch comes to late
+ welcome for 6.1 as late feature

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Corner cases of handling legacy PNG images, potential easy hack
   + will split the bug into multiple smaller bugs   
+ Help contents
   + updated pages in Base reports (olivier)
   + Fix typos, bugs (Fitoshido, olivier)
   + Add warning for experimental features (buovjaga)
+ Calc guide
   + Discussions WRT handling massive amount of styles in docs, e.g. 
updating the calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 297(297) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 14(3) 28(3) 47(-1)  96(-7) 
 commented 91(46)   201(43)   368(5) 1501(-33)
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  1(1)6(0)  
  resolved  4(2) 12(4) 27(-3) 128(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 122 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 96 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 525 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 37 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 282 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 13 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 11 changes in 1 month, and 45 changes in 1 year
New needsUXEval between Oct/26-31

 * Access to the language property at paragraph settings
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120932

 * Make font size field in styles dialogs toggleable between percentage and pt
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121011

 * Appearing of GtkSeparator on Notebookbars is different to standard rulers
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121050

 * Toolbar: Remove oleobjectbar.xml and use frameobjectbar.xml
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120985


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5 (+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
+ 8 (+0) coverity issues
+ HsqlBinaryImportText::testBinaryImport failure
+ didn’t get a build
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ 15 issues, 1 serious, lots of timeout issues
+ did something get slower on our or their side ?
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ 4 writer layout issues
+ couple of other issues
+ end of Jan. embargo for one lower prio issue.
   + hopefully Miklos can poke at it post spec. update.
   + connecting to other related developers.
+ another issue in progress at higher prio.
  Still struggling to agree an embargo with AOO
   + but got a reply
+ PVS Studio
 + mikekaganski fixing lots of the remaining minor nits.
 + can we get them to run it again at some stage ? ...

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 421 (last 7 days) (-20)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 1076 (last 7 days) (-241)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1127 (last 7 days) (-1114)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.1.2
 + 1034 (last 7 days) (-192)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.2.1
 + 4167 (last 7 days) (+144)

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + Munich was nice, details & achievements on the wiki:   
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Muenchen2018
   + next year hackfests coming up:
+ FOSDEM in February
+ Tirana perhaps in March/April
+ Paris in summer
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
   + hope to have one each quarter.

* 

Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Next QA meeting: Oct 30 at 15:00 UTC

[Michael Meeks]

On 30/10/2018 14:53, Xisco Fauli wrote:
>> I'd love to discuss Ilmari's email [1] more in detail to see how
>> we should handle this.

Communicating more clearly and in an easy-to-consume way is brilliant
=) of course its real work trying to get that done - can't help out
there myself (sadly not even time for the under-the-hood-ness anymore).

But I'd love to read more of what Ilmari wrote =) encouraging stuff -
and I love the crediting of the people doing the work too.

ATB,

Michael.

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Christian, Michael W, Michael M, Eike, Heiko
  Olivier, Miklos, Kendy, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable editing for the android viewer except in alpha programme 
(Christian)
  [ submitted to gerrit – needs review & releasing ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ not yet sure what’s happening ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian, Xisco)
+ 6.0.7 rc2 status
  + the last of the 6.0 line – built & on mirrors
  + will be an rc3 for this thanks to Xisco.
+ 6.1.3 RC2
  + this week – as scheduled.
+ 6.2 Alpha 1 status
  + tagged and released last week
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze due Nov 12th
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
  + disable exceptions as a workaround; not aborting – affects Intel only.
  + new app-store submissions require 64bit Intel versions
  + new ARM ones will require llvm run-time.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help: 
+ Published proposal for XHP extensions
  + Some feedback (N. Grandin, D. Barton)
+ Help Contents
+ Typo fixing
+ Guides
+ Support for Calc Guide – one of the most demanded guides
+ General
+ Wiki pages updates on documentation, staffing.  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 305(305) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(1)  25(-2)48(3)  103(3)  
 commented 45(-12)   158(-4)   363(-21)   1534(-32)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  0(0)6(1)  
  resolved  2(0)   8(-1)30(0)  129(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 110 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 106 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 45 changes in 1 month, and 544 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 34 changes in 1 month, and 232 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 18 changes in 1 month, and 287 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 14 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ More tickets on harmonization of context menus and toolbar
  (mostly rearrangement)
 + to make appear the same in all modules.
+ Some requests to improve FF persona
  + more tickets about it, and interest.
  + show thumbnail of downloaded firefox bits etc.
+ Undo and redo enhancement
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120809
+ Table protected cells: Add possibility to disable warning message
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120726

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5 (-1) import failure, 4(+3) export failures
+ relatively stable
+ bisected a crash for Laszlo 
+ 8 (-1) coverity issues
+ down a bit  
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ finding more things this week.
+ 12 issues, 2 serious
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ 4 writer layout issues
+ got one cleared a couple of weeks ago
+ couple of other issues
+ end of Jan. embargo for one lower prio issue.
   + hopefully Miklos can poke at it post spec. update.
+ another issue in progress at higher prio.
  struggling to agree an embargo with AOO
+ PVS Studio
+ got all of their warnings from them in a dump
+ thanks to all who have helped: Caolan, MikeK, Xisco, Michael S
+ a large amount of false positives
   + confusion around operator overloads pwrt. >>= etc.
+ tone was somewhat unhelpful
+ cherry-picked the 1 correct finding of 50 false positives
+ then again – still bugs we can fix; nothing frightening though.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 441 (last 7 days) (-69)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 1317 (last 7 days) (-82)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1241 (last 7 days) (-107)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.1.2
 + 1226 (last 7 days) (-90)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.2.1
 + 4023 (last 7 days) (+655)
+ missing symbols – all mergelo.dll with no traces.
+ some Windows 10 issues related to an upgrade
  higher crashes this week for the same builds / something new

* DINAcon - Bern / 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of conference ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Thorsten, Stephan, Miklos, Cloph, Eike, Michael M,
  Michael S., Olivier, Michael W, Caolan, Kendy
+ plus other conference attendees.

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ as per the public wiki, time-based release plan.
+ sub-divided by major releases etc.
+ 6.0.7 RC1 - due next week
+ final planned 6.0 version
+ 6.1.2 RC1 (one release cycle)
+ about to release this.
+ typically announced Thur - today is Thur ...
+ 6.1.3 RC1 - Week start Oct 15th
+ 6.2 Alpha 1
+ due in ~2 weeks.
+ Remotes
+ no news.
+ Android viewer
+ plagued by bug causing crash on K/B input
+ caused(?) by build environment upgrade
+ could reproduce it on an older build that worked in the past
+ discussed removing the editing features from public version
+ have it only for Alpha/Beta programme users
+ either download/side-load, or click
  "want to participate in alpha programme"
+ Isn't it already an option (Ash)
+ yes, but may be enabled already, bigger test set
+ if crashes when you choose to edit
+ hard to stabilize, without sample docs etc.
+ can we add meta-data to crash report ? (Miklos)
+ is editing enabled or not ?
+ used to be possible to throw an exception + text (Kendy)
+ can't get that into the crash dump anymore
+ would need to have a dialog + E-mail instead.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ finished "Getting Started" book - now published
+ having a break before next release.
+ new help (old help -> HTML, shown in browser)
+ starting new improvements of content & new features
+ continuing to work on documenting new features with no help.
+ a great place to contribute (Michael)
+ developing a help editor to make life easier for newcomers (Olivier)
+ idea - a way to make authoring Help-XML easier
+ also easier to validate
+ have the editor on-line, with link to gerrit submission
+ new help will be shown in next documentation session.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added 14(9) 27(2) 41(5)   98(6)
 commented 57(23)   172(2)371(4) 1560(11)
   removed  0(0)  1(1)  2(1)6(-2)
  resolved  2(1)  6(-1)29(-2) 138(-3)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 87 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 78 changes in 1 month, and 573 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 73 changes in 1 month, and 258 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 288 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 96 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 12 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  Drew Jensen made 12 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 9 changes in 1 month, and 142 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 7 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 7 changes in 1 month, and 39 changes in 1 year

 => revert this week unless someone takes an interest in fixing …
 + Nickson submitted a patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/60787/
  “[09:01]  Htietze: the commit switches the default caption
   so if its a new document then use figure as the category but if the
   document already uses illustration (i.e, pre 6.1) then make
   illustration the default category”
 + Fix hopefully forthcoming

* Deprecate Mozilla Persona and trust in locally installed only (Heiko)
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119868
  + thanks to Mohammed we have a patch to update the HTML parser
  + takes ~ages for each thumbnail
  + possible to improve things; still a question if we should
remove ability to retrieve data from the server
 + should we do that ?
  + Mohammed working on making it easier to bundle personas
  + we plan to ship our own personas / customizations in 6.2
  + a great feature
  + like to bundle personas as extensions
  + enriching things like 'dark themes'
  + proposal to deprecate Mozilla's bits
 + up to Mohammed

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 4 (-516) import failure, 39(+3) export failures
+ strange 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Heiko, Olivier, Miklos, Jan-Marek, Caolan, Xisco, Sophie,
  Christian, Michael M, Michael W, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ tinderboxes setup with new dev-tools (Christian)
[ done – both 32 and 64bit based on CentOS6 – with official tools
  and 32bit has COPR, also new autotools from PDL repos.
  now up to gcc-7.3.1. 
  mostly brings us into C++ 2017 (Stephan)
  + found guarenteed copy ellision is not there yet on.
  conference decision / discussion on CentOS7 ? (Thorsten)
  + love to discuss it at the conference.
  + having native KDE5 there would be great. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC2 status
+ hoping to tag later today.
+ still two waiting in the 6.1.1 queue
+ time until 9pm German time.
+ 6.1.2 shortened cycle to just one RC
+ Remotes
+
+ Android viewer
+ any keyboard input crashes it
+ no obvious change in Android bits
+ debugger not working either
+ perhaps bisecting ...
+ might be nice to have an APK bibisect (Michael)
+ Online
+ needs a 6.1.1

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Patches for improving icons visualization
 + Change icons from PNG to SVG for better resolution
+ Help contents
 + refactor pages on using strings vs numbers
+ Help editor
 + patches for autocompletion (Mike Saunders)
 + wiki pages on Help editing and XML
+ Guides
 + 2 chapters left to handover.
+ preliminary look at a11y linting of web-help.
 + needs xhp updates too.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3) 21(1)  36(2)   99(2)  
 commented 52(-14)   141(-10)   363(6) 1650(-33)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   1(0)9(0)  
  resolved  2(-1)  9(-4) 31(1)  145(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 120 changes in 1 month, and 162 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 53 changes in 1 month, and 603 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 317 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 19 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  dieterp made 12 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 12 changes in 1 month, and 35 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 9 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 7 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  + menu reorganization: depth of rational ...
+ comments in 
+ reverted & Andreas started again from scratch
+ ideal to have harmonization over modules.
+ priority is that it is familiar (Michael)
+ important to make things more usable (Thorsten)
   + but familiarity of hot-key sequences is really important.
+ are there changes at all ? (Heiko)
   + would ideally like a choice of UI pieces.

New needsUXEval from Aug/30-Sep/05

 * No keyboard shortcuts for next/previous heading
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119665

 * There isn't tool Gradient from toolbar Transformations on Sidebar
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119689

 * Document comparison option not to take into account style changes
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119605

 * Implement "Most recent fields inserted"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119594

For discussion

 * Personas not found again (seems root cause is different than tdf#114731)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118881
   + remove the feature or make it an extension
   + replace by (hard-coded?) color schemes (night mode alike)
   + can we ship a few by default (Michael)
  + allow to modify it later by extension (Heiko)
 + don’t like to move things to an extension (Stephan)
 + data-content has to be incorporated
 + its an interface; hard to spot and break etc.
 + careful with these.
  + reasonably well specified XML + imgs (Michael)
 + not against it – but want it done well (Stephan)
 + extensions not a panacea etc.
  + current state – parse HTML from Mozilla manually 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Sophie, Christian, Heiko, Xisco, Michael W, Stephan,
  Michael S, Michael M, Caolan, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ mail budget spreadsheet to the board (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.6 – rc2 this week
+ only 2 patches submitted earlier today -so prlly not tag it today
  + more like tomorrow evening to tag it.  
+ 6.1.0 RC3 update
+ next week – going as scheduled.  
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ need an rc3 – Timar back soon.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
+ missing icons fixed
+ more bookmarks fixing
+ some progress with Help editing online (M Saunders)
   + Added code snippets to editor CodeMirror (M Saunders)
+ People joining to improve new help
   + e.g. change PNG icons to SVG icons (tdf#117551)
   + needs a change in pootle too – to avoid re-translation
+ please help review 6.1.x help patches
 + Help contents
+ Some updates bits (g. Kelemen, ohallot, Caolan, Miklos, A. Gelmini)
 + Guides
+ New chapters ready (Chapter 5 – Calc)
+ Assembling book
 + did we solve the link.txt issue ? (Heiko)
+ yes – created an XSL transform that re-maps these (Olivier H)
+ shouldn’t need to re-do this
+ we can change icons inside XHP files and drop link.txt (ohallot)
+ eager to get rid of linkstxt (Heiko)
+ duplication is bad – don’t like that (Michael)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 288(288)  (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(-10)16(-8)24(-6)  92(-5) 
 commented 60(12)160(20)   311(25)1695(-7) 
   removed  0(-1)  1(0)  1(0)   10(-1) 
  resolved  2(-2)  9(0) 19(-1) 155(-15)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 673 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 41 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 257 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 19 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 16 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  muso made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 12 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 11 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 
year

 + 118881 Personas not found again (seems root cause is different than 
tdf#114731)
   + 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/About-Persona-lightweight-themes-td4244320.html
   + https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/07/12/upcoming-changes-for-themes/
   + suspect that this has been blocked.  
   + are personas used at all ?
+ yes they are used (Heiko)
 + keep it & it should be usable.
   + depending on someone else’s service is not great (Michael)
+ would love to have a few pre-canned personas shipped
+ and allow new ones in extensions or somesuch.

 + 118854 Style not Visible in List of Styles if Font is White
   and Background is not White
   + previous decision is WYSIWYG – will discuss it again etc.

 + design request for a banner for 6.1 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Banner-for-AMA-and-6-1-release-tc4244462.html
   + needed for the 6.1 release. 

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 17(-3) import failures, 114(+110) export failures
+ exploded – but have fixed the ~110 excel export failures
 + nothing thread related there.
+ coverity
+ 0 (+0, -17)
+ down to zero for 1st time in 12 months. 
+ forcepoint round #8
+ smaller set of issues here – only 7
+ now all fixed, 0 outstanding.
+ oss-fuzz 10 (-3), 0 major, 10 minor
+ 3 fixed there, nothing major outstanding. 
   + lots of OOM stuff here – but not real
 + can’t release memory from excessive string concats
 + great way to find perf. issues here ...
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 535 (last 7 days) (+1)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 851 (last 7 days) (-116)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1360 (last 7 days) (+68)

+ Fix for top / 4th  cherry-picked to 6-0-6
 + Thanks to Markus Mohrhard
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

  + thanks to Caolan.

+ EDITING: Crash while selecting cell format with double-click
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115950
+ thanks to Eike & Kendy

+ PivotTable: the last row of a worksheet can't be used:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118620
    + thanks to Michael Meeks.

+ CRASH: Writer crashes inserting a section
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118377
+ thanks to Armin.

+ CRASH: Draw just closes if to try select table in file
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118354
+ Thanks to Armin


* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
  +137  +7 (-125) overall)
  many thanks to the top bug squashers:
   Xisco Faulí 19
   Buovjaga18
   V Stuart Foote  15
   andreas_k   7
   Markus Mohrhard 7
   Timur   7
   Eike Rathke 5
   Justin L4
   Adolfo Jayme4
   Mark Hung   3

+ top 10 bugs reporters:
   Telesto 22
   Gabor Kelemen   8
   Xisco Faulí 6
   Drew Jensen 5
   Aron Budea  3
   Harald Koester  2
   Timur   2
   Mark Hung   2
   Jim Raykowski   2
   Hikmet Baş  2

+ top 10 bugs fixers:
   Foote, V Stuart 10
   Xisco Faulí 8
   Kainz, Andreas  7
   Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 4
   Mohrhard, Markus4
   Hung, Mark  3
   McNamara, Caolán3
   Justin L2
   Buovjaga2
   Rathke, Eike2

+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
   Buovjaga44
   Xisco Faulí 42
   Dieter Praas14
   Foote, V Stuart 5
   Telesto 4
   Timur   3
   Raal3
   Drew Jensen 3
   Kelemen, Gabor  3
   Kaganski, Mike  3


* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
   + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
 6.0 : 4/45 - 8 %  (+4)
 5.4 : 2/38 - 5 %  (+0)
 5.3 : 1/53 - 1 %  (+0)
 5.2 : 1/41 - 2 %  (+0)
 5.1 : 0/35 - 0 %  (+0)
 5.0 : 2/63 - 3 %  (+0)
 4.4 : 1/76 - 1 %  (+0)
 4.3 : 2/73 - 2 %  (+0)
 4.2 : 5/134 -3 %  (+0)
 4.1 : 3/84 - 3 %  (+0)
 4.0 : 4/83 - 4 %  (+0)
 old : 19/257 -   7 %  (+0)


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   + 561/2371 549/2337 538/2301 537/2290 539/2275 530/2253 519/2225 

 done by:
Xisco Faulí   22
Buovjaga   8
Telesto1
Budea, Áron1
Raal   1
 

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   + 731/3091 710/3046 678/2988 654/2953 656/2936 648/2910 630/2873 

 done by:
Xisco Faulí   25
Buovjaga  15
Telesto1
Budea, Áron1
Raal   1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 969(+6) bugs open of 7311(+36) total 17(+2) high prio.

 done by:
Xisco Faulí   18
Buovjaga   6
Telesto5
Timur  2
MM 1
Jacques Guilleron  1
Budea, Áron1
perie_gut  1
Raal   1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 Writer- 9(+4)
 Impress   - 2(+0)
 Calc  - 2(-1)
 LibreOffice   - 2(-1)
 framework - 1(+0)
 Draw  - 1(+0)

   by OS:
 Mac OS X  - 0(+0)
 Linux - 0(-1)
 Windows   - 5(+3)
 All   - 12(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
 Writer: other- 221(+6)
 Calc - 164(+2)
 Impress  - 106(-3)
 Writer: docx filter  - 81(+1)
 LibreOffice  - 68(-2)
 UI   - 46(+0)
 Base - 33(+3)
 Borders  - 33(+0)
 Crashes  - 33(+2)
 Draw - 33(-1)
 Writer: doc filter   - 32(-1)
 graphics stack   - 30(-2)
 filters and storage  - 29(+1)
 Writer: other filter - 27(+0)
 Writer: perf - 26(+1)
 Chart- 22(+0)
 BASIC- 19(-1)
 Pr

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Michael M, Olivier, Michael S, Kendy, Thorsten,

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Jmux; https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117936 
(Xisco)
+ Fixed in 
+ fad862e290d727fc9fefe206f6e4b807482c4175
+ b22244a2eb8d558499d2ffdb2cca5ddb44f3
+ ca4e75d694a5fb41a1c800146319aa6ba34d8bab
+ Thanks to Jan-Marek   
+ Run meeting on TDF Jitsi http://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/esc 
(Christian)
+ Jitsi – URL not case sensitive luckily.

* Pending Action Items:
+ Submit Tirana / conference papers:
 + https://libocon.org/2018/call-for-papers/ 
 + extended deadline is July 15th – this Sunday [!]
+ Windows tinderbox/build-bot owners to parallel install VS2017
+ on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking before this week’s call [!]
 + Cudos to Eike, Olivier, Bubli, Stephan, Michael W, Noel, Xisco, 
Miklos
 + hard stares at others … still – have some ranking
 + push out to next Thursday call (better attended)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ [ Christian sady missing … ]
+ 6.0.6 – rc1 due this week (Jul 10)
+ 6.1.0 RC2 – next week – July 17
+ now commits to 6-1 branch need review  
  + also string freeze
 + also includes html help switch for distro branches
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + *DONE*, just bugfixing
 + Eike: question to disable precautiously?
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ simplifying iOS build re translations

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help in RC1
 + Windows installation bug found, bug fixed. (many thanks to mst)
 + enhancement in page UI CSS + JS (buovjaga, fitoshido)
 + interesting new features.
 + latest 6.1 snapshot uploaded for online help
+ Help contents
 + Corrections (fitoshido, ohallot)
 + also feedback from the translators
+ Guides,
 + assembling book with available revised chapters
+ hit some bugs with master documents
+ one already fixed thanks to mst
 + revisions stalled again

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  3(2)10(3)  17(1)   83(3)  
 commented 31(10)   90(21)240(-18)   1656(-3) 
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   0(0)   10(0)  
  resolved  1(0) 7(1)  17(-4) 171(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 38 changes in 1 month, and 723 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 28 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 18 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 11 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 95 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 6 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year

+ personal note: on vacation for the next two weeks

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan on vacation)
+ 44(-16) import failure, 3(+0) export failures 
+ new numbers from last friday
+ 3 export crashers
+ all writer failures.
+ 45 import crashers
+ 3 writer, rest spreadsheets.
+ expect all calc crashes fixed (Michael M)
+ crash testing script now running normally again (Michael S)
+ 1st thing did pull dev-tools repo from an invalid URL.
+ was in state of 2015 on this server.
+ new stuff broke things for a while then fixed it.
+ now working again.
+ validation now connected into here.
+ same custom schema as used in unit-tests …
+ quite a few issues reported.
+ coverity
+ ??
+ forcepoint ??
+ oss-fuzz ?? (?? outstanding, ?? minor)
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 489 (last 7 days) (0)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 1127 (last 7 days) (-327)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1095 (last 7 days) (+205)

 + Updater was enabled, looks better than for previous version
 + Top 2 and Top 4 crashes in 6.0.5.2 fixed for 6.0.6
* Budget ranking (Thorsten)
   + on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking.
   + please rank stuff … before next week – but ~no-one here ...

* GSoC schedule (Kendy)
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + please tell students to send a 

Re: [libreoffice-projects] Macro Conversion Project

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Fahiri,

On 29/06/18 13:43, Fahri Güreşçi wrote:
> My name is Fahri. I recently graduated from computer engineering.

Great to meet you.
> I know macros are causing a lot of problems in LibreOffice migrations. I am
> writing a service that will translate Microsoft Office macros into one for
> LibreOffice. I made some progress. I publish my work here (
> https://macroconverter.com). I have licensed the code I wrote with GPL-3-0
> and the source code is also available here (https://github.com/fahri314/m
> acro-converter).

It looks interesting. Sun Microsystems implemented something similar in
the deep past - but in the end it was abandoned. This is primarily
because if you want to inter-operate you need to be able to save that as
VBA macros again - so you have to do this bi-directionally =)

> I need all kinds of ideas.

Instead we implemented built-in inter-operability for existing VBA
scripts so you can load your VBA macros, and just run them inside
LibreOffice (to some degree).

The major thing to improve there is the implementations of all the
object model methods, of which there are quite a number - improving that
is a -great- bite-sized task that anyone can work on. Doing that also
helps our COM interoperability via COLEAT. If you'd be interestedd in
working on that please get in touch with Tor who can perhaps give you
some code pointers.

It would be great to have you involved,

All the best,

Michael.

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Olivier, Michael W, Michael M, Heiko, Christian, Kendy,
  Xisco, Caolan, Stephan, Eike, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable HSQLDB auto-migration for now except for experimental (Tamas B)
   [ ongoing ]
+ Budget ranking by next week (All)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2 status
+ tagged this week; all builds except Linux-32 on pre-release server
   + re-building Linux-32
   + expect to announce it as final tomorrow
   + very few patches vs. rc1.
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 status
+ released it on Sunday.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Michael)
   + pleased with progress, few issues open
   + recursion issues nailed, cleaned-up.
   + suggest leaving it on for the .0 release
  + hesitant yes (Eike)   
   + crash-testing done (Caolan)
  + before “extra threading” 2-3 moved to 37 issues
  + will continue to work on that (Michael)
 + easy to turn off in an RC if necessary.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + nothing happened last week,
   + thorsten merged stuff to 6.1 – in disabled state 
  + easy to play with environment variable.  
   + not on as experimental feature – doesn’t work well enough yet.
   + got a new crash (Xisco)
  + Michael to poke soon.  
+ Help format (Stephan/Olivier)
   + with extension, dialog, we load old-style help viewer
 for all extensions installed
   + extension help still not integrated well.
   + not added into the hierarchy or integrated into indexes.
   + fixes very old bug wrt. on-line help usage too.
   + slightly less featureful, but somewhat working. 
   + extended tooltips don’t work with the new help
  + not going to work on that from now (Stephan)
   + discussion to move tooltips to a field in the dialogs (Olivier)
  + placeholder in dialog widgets for tooltips.
  + Tomaz V has some scripts that might help.
   + what should we do ?
  + go ahead & fix things when we get time (Olivier)
 + lots of advantages from new help
 + main issue is to disconnect from the old help
   => lets go with it and hope for resource to fix tooltips
AI:   + enable new help for tinderboxes (Christian)
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
   + merged.
+ Making the Notebookbar non-experimental (Heiko)
   + will not be ready – needs communicating   
   => will not happen in 6.1
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + tweaks in CSS (fitoshido, buovjaga)
   + Fixes in some XML/XSLT rendering (ohallot)

+ Help pages contents
   + some cleanups, fix typos, fix contents (SophiaS, A Gelmini, ohallot)
   + New pages on Basic Internal Libraries (ohallot)
   + undocumented since OO.o
   + Handy macros for the Basic programmer
   + Question raised: Are these libs supported ?
   + if present & used for decades sounds sensible (Michael)

 + Guides: More reviews arriving for publication
   + 60% review done
   + Working on migrating ODFAuthors PLONE to TDF’s NC+LOOL.   

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 290(290) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(5) 5(3)  21(1)   87(-1) 
 commented 23(10)   48(2) 315(-26)   1694(-43)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   1(-1)  10(-1) 
  resolved  1(0) 4(0)  24(-1) 172(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 19 changes in 1 month, and 741 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 300 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 10 changes in 1 month, and 321 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 8 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 6 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 6 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 4 changes in 1 month, and 158 changes in 1 year
  eisa01 made 4 changes in 1 month, and 7 changes in 1 year

   + Drop IME (File > View > Input Method Status and underlying code)
   + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Sophie, Christian, Michael S, Michael M, Eike, Lionel,
  Heiko, Olivier, Caolan, Stephan, Thorsten, Xisco, Tamas B

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2
+ early next week
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 next week …
+ was optional, but worth having near end of week.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing – more fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + doesn’t quite work yet, but want to get it into master soon
  + get it in tomorrow, and continue later to finish it
  + expect another couple of weeks until it can be enabled
in experimental mode. 
   + desirable to get it into 6.1 (Thorsten)
  + have kill-switch to turn it off
   + lets get it into master & decide next week wrt. 6.1 
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + various make file dependency fixes
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
   + plan to get it before next ESC.  
+ flat MIME icons (Andreas K)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117456
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/54990/
   + documentation team informed
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
   + everything working nicely. 
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ up-loaded a beta1

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes in Makefiles for media (thanks to Stephan Bergman)
+ Tweaks in UI CSS (Adolfo Barrientos)
+ Fix  in XSLT
+ Help contents
+ New Pages for MAXIFS, MINIFS, (ohallot)
+ refactoring of ‘IFS functions (ohallot)
+ reduces workload for translation
+ files cleanups and visual enhancements (S Schröder)
+ Fixes and typos (Adolfo, ohallot)
+ Master vs 6.1: backport help pages?, New Help?
+ no approval needed yet (Michael)
+ Guides and Books
+ Further reviews on GS 6.0 chapters by Jean Weber
+ Assembling book on going (ohallot)
+ spent some days in São Paulo with the local team 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 309(309) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(1) 3(-4) 25(-8)  99(-4) 
 commented 10(2)56(-54)   409(-52)   1812(-78)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  1(-1)5(0)  29(-2) 177(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 28 changes in 1 month, and 795 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 13 changes in 1 month, and 333 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 381 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 8 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Ilhan Yesil made 7 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 5 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 4 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  A.Holtsmark made 4 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  + Guideline for floating widgets
+ should clearly identified as detachable, stay on top, 
  close on escape, look like a tool-window
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection#Appearance

  + Keyboard shortcut to move cols/rows in Calc
+ Proposal via mode switch; enable a different / movement mode (?)
+ surely WYSIWYG editors try to avoid modes ? (Michael)

  + Mojave dark mode request (tdf#118017)

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 10(+4) import failures, 9(+6) export failures
+ 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
+ expect related to Bitmap / threading changes.
+ coverity
+ 3 (+0, -13)
+ forcepoint round 7.
+ 11 docs → 4 root issues.
+ 1 outstanding
   + a hang – intractable layout loop
+ oss-fuzz ?? (15 outstanding, 12 minor, lots of font cache unreproducibles)
+ lots of irreproducible ones.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 547 (last 7 days) (-177)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
  + 489 (last 7 days) (+149)

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 993(last 7 days) (-174)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
  + 1793 (last 7 days) (+565)

+ Top 1 crash: MultiSalLayout::AdjustLayout(ImplLayoutArgs &)

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Michael M, Lionel, Sophie, Heiko, Eike, Caolan, Olivier,
Stephan, Michael W, Miklos, Sophie, Kendy, Christian, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke people who didn’t fill out the evening (Thorsten)
+ fill out (both) polls:
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)
[ on the ESC share ... ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.5 – RC1 – next week.
+ 6.1.0 beta 1 – Feature Freeze May 24th 
+ not tagged yet - planned after the call. 
+ looks ok, some Jenkins hiccups
+ tinderboxes mended 
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing - lots of fixes this week.
   + hope to run crash-testing again … some pending patches.
   + clearly getting closer
   + updated #’s – left threading enabled (Caolan)
   + run – before the last fix from Dennis.
   + expect to go down tomorrow, day after.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
+ KDE5 work (Bubli/Thorsten)
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + looking better this week
   + one outstanding issue with duplicated files
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ waiting for -6-1 branch.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Packaging patches from Stephan
 + thanks ! will test.
 + addresses moving files in media/ sub-folder to lang-packs 
(Stephan)
 + unclear how to address extensions.
 + Fix media path issues for XSLT (ohallot)
 + avoiding glitches in the transformation
+ Helpcontent2
 + New pages on digital signature line (ohallot)
 + Many fixes in help pages (SophiaS, A Gelmini, ohallot)
+ Guides:
 + This week is Sprint Review Week for “Getting Started 6.0”
 + Effort to review chapters and finish work.

* New meeting time:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
 + 11 filled it out.
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
 + 22 filled it out.

+ Proposal do it always on Wed (Michael)
 + not a fan of Wed’s (Eike)
 + evening – people far less enthusiastic (Michael)
 + expectation is that few people will attend ? (Miklos)

+ Proposal try a new scheme for a month alternating:
 + Wednesdays 6-7 pm Paris/Berlin/Prague [ 18 people ]
 + Thursday, current time slot (4 pm Paris/Berlin/Prague)
AI: + send out some appointments for next month (Michael)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 323(323) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  3(2) 14(-1) 38(-2) 108(-4) 
 commented 40(14)   177(-17)   512(-33)   1954(-50)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  1(1)  6(-1) 30(-2) 180(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 828 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 291 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 42 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 16 changes in 1 month, and 339 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 15 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 15 changes in 1 month, and 401 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 13 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 13 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year

+ changed the UX design team meeting time to be later for US
   + not many people turned up.

+ Karasa Jaga icon theme added to core
   + said to be complete – he counted SVGs
   + a LGPLv3 licensed theme, and SVG not yet in the core
  + some SVGs have compressed bitmaps in them.
   + positive feedback on the look.
 
+ Support columns in RTF ?
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117734
   + discussed on Telegram, upset at lack of support.
   + a non-standard update.
   + completely out of scope asking for random fixes here (Michael)
   + seems like a normal filter bug (Miklos)
  + nothing special here.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 17 import failure, 3 export failures
   + 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
   + fast-parser fix integrated.
   + calc threading enabled in these runs
  + hope for some more fixes in the next run.
  + seems to 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Stephan, Sophie, Miklos, Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Eike,
  Olivier, Michael M, Heiko (late)

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ fill out (both) polls:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
[ forgot to run it
  should poke Italo wrt. Renewing ? (Thorsten)
 + a number of expired ones
 + normally Italo pokes us here (Kendy)
+ if you’re aware please poke us ]
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)
[ not got to it yet ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 released earlier today 
+ 6.0.5 – RC1
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ beta1 this week, for tag ~next week depending on state of master
   + currently mac failures
   + libreoffice-6-0 branch will be created, but no review mandatory
 while still in beta phase – remember to cherry-pick bugfixes 
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + lots of fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + to stop it moving things in the document model.
   + so layout & text formatting doesn’t show deleted stuff
   + how long more will it take.
   + have a contingency plan to use existing way of doing it
   + mostly new extra code.
   + changes to existing code should be bisectable.
   + sounds like a great win (Michael M)
   + love to have it in (Thorsten)
   + does it make it easier for Outline view ? (Michael M)
   + working to make completely deleted frames invisible (Michael S)
   + would help with that too …
   + should help de-bong undo/redo/redline mess (Miklos)
   + avoids hide-red-line mess (Michael S)
+ KDE5 work from Bubli (Thorsten)
   + TDF builds – have no effect on release bits …
   + some changes to font subsystem not sure if a good idea to merge
   + perhaps depending on distro interest –
 add some bits to KDE5 sal subsystem.
   + unclear – sitting on the fence.
   + windows GL font-regression there ? (Michael)
   + nice to have it in one place to fix (Thorsten)
   + Bubli’s call (Thorsten)
+ Help format ? (Stephan)
   + old or new ?
   + some trouble wrt. getting media files packaged (Olivier)
   + re-working how image files go into the help.
   + need more time.
   + two things in mind (Stephan)
  + media/localization
  + extensions help – currently not working.
  + having no media not a blocker (Kendy)
  + didn’t have that before – videos can come later.
  + videos in un-localized bundle increasing its size (Stephan)
  + did some work to get help help into pkgs (Stephan)
  + media folder not differentiated per language.
  + wiki page with structure of the folder (Olivier)
  
+https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/NewHelpMedia
  + how large are the per-language blobs ? (Stephan)
  + if big should go into localized packages.
  + can try to help out (Stephan)
  + extension pieces – how to fix that (Stephan)
  + when we have online help – it never showed extension (Olivier)
  + if only have HTML help loose them completely – not good 
(Stephan)
  + didn’t remove the help-viewer code (Kendy)
  + we can fallback in extremis to old-help for extensions eg.
+ Remotes
+ got logo image source & cleanup fixes from Siqi
+ now a menu-bar rendering issue – orange shade etc.
+ Android viewer
+ endless recursion bug
+ number-text feature causing grief: disabled
+ what happened to the Android tinderbox ? (Miklos)
  + prolly got stuck and no-one noticed (Christian) 
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Tweaks for the UI (fitoshido, buovjaga)
+ wiki page for community contribution of collateral files
+ Help contents
+ Several fixes by translators
+ HIDs fixed by Caolan
+ New pages on digital signature + Signature Line (ohallot)
+ Guides:
 + Sprint Review Week next week to boost revision of
   Getting Started (GS) 6.0 (ohallot,  D. Barton and Drew Jensen)
 + almost there – but need a final review push here.

* New meeting time:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
 + 11 filled it out.
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
 + 22 filled it out.
+ People 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael W, Caolan, Michael M, Mike K, Miklos, Kendy,
  Christian, Heiko (late)

* Completed Action Items:
+ discuss help / video options with the l10n teams for a decision (Olivier)
  [ sent the message, and got a couple of replies 
not completely conclusive – but some directions to take.
Perhaps too early for videos in 6.1 (?)
Is there no workaround ? (Michael)
  + would like new features video + captions (Olivier)
 + would like an overview of each module
 + but can’t give too much work to Mike ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ circulate an evenings poll (Thorsten)
  + to complement https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ Fill out new doodle poll (everyone)
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 – RC2 status
+ tagged yesterday & builds being up-loaded
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
+ released as final already
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
+ Dennis & Lubos looking at Caolan’s list
+ halved the count there, and have more fixes.
+ hope to fix these & re-enable that.
+ others – after holiday break ...
+ Remotes
+ waiting for Siqi to update artwork.
+ Online
+ did a 6.0.3 src release

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Videos in help: Message sent to list, few responses so far cf. above
  + New help
+ Added page UI to Pootle frameworks for l10n (ohallot)
+ Tweaks in CSS (fitoshido)
+ Colibre is now the default icon set (Rene Engelhard)
+ some icons missing though
+ some pages show default-alt-text not icons – in help navigator
+ Working on a process for localization of example files
+ Online editor: pending.
   + what needs building here ? (Kendy)
  + need it installed locally so can tweak it (Olivier)
   + do we have a short-list ? (Kendy)
  + seems tinymce is the most popular (Olivier)
  + also ckeditor
+ Help pages
+ fixes by G. Kelemen, Sophia S., S. Horacek, fitoshido, A 
Gelmini
+ Added screenshots for Math modules (ohallot, bubli)
+ bug triaging
+ Guides
Week 5/21 5/27 will be the Review Sprint Week for final 
revision of
   Getting started 6. book.


* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(3) 19(2) 41(5)  116(3)  
 commented 56(-5)   217(2)565(23)2053(37) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  2(-1) 8(-6)34(-1) 181(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 851 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 38 changes in 1 month, and 40 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 427 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 29 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 345 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 158 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 15 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 
year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Dr. Matthias Weisser made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 
year

  + Colibre finally merged
 + still filling out the last icons …
 + strange symphony folder – 3D icons
 + looking good to me too (Michael)
   
 + Gradients 
   + introduced new gradients with the std. Colors
   + hope they are nicer & more usable – happy to get feedback too.

 + Draw styles
   + hope to update these in the next two weeks for 6.1

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 44(+42) import failure, 4(+3) export failures
   + turns out there is another crash related to
 the last forcepoint issue
   + now fixed; expect to be down to a handful.
   + temporary calc threading run - 114 / 3
   + two assertions from FastParser still left
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
   + and some mst layout issue asserts.
+ coverity
+ 18 (+11, -8)
+ a few more – mostly fixed.
+ forcepoint round 6, complete.
+ will get back to them.
+ oss-fuzz (17 outstanding, 14 minor)
+ fixed some bits, found some more.
+ 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Michael W, Olivier, Sophie, Michael M, Caolan, Heiko,
  Thorsten, Cloph, Xisco, Miklos, Christian, Lionel, Michael S, Kendy,
  Eike (>16:20)

* Completed Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
  => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
  [ what is the answer ? - hard to know, Thorsten didn’t fill it out.
Rene has time in the morning / lunchtime (Heiko)
+ no Monday / Friday ? (Michael)
   + typically used by other meetings,travel (Heiko)
  + can run another poll of course.
   + would like to include people who can’t make it (Thorsten)
  + 18:00 Berlin time might be good.
+ just saw the ‘want it later than 4pm’ option (Thorsten)
+ lets re-run – what periods ? (Michael)
   + evening not ideal for East Asia / India (Thorsten)
   + concern with early morning (Olivier, Lionel)
   + 6am or 6pm to avoid work (Michael)
   => propose do a separate evening poll: 
AI:   6pm – 10pm Berlin time Mon→Fri (Thorsten) ]
+ come up with a plan for help / video l10n, translation (Olivier)
+ in discussion with l10n team
[ listening to the l10n discussion – will now interact with them]

* Pending Action Items:
+ Fill out new doodle poll (everyone)
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 – RC2 status
   + delayed, not tagged yet.
   + patches submitted to -5-4 but not -5-4-7
+ important to get a chance to review those.   
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
   + planned for this week
   + all patches are now in.
   + can tag after the ESC call.
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ Remotes
   + iOS built with xcode8 – but wrong ver for iOS 11
   + downloaded xcode9  
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help contents:
+ help pages for PIVOT CHARTS (ohallot)
+ Improvements on EPUB help (ohallot)
+ fixes, fixes, fixes… (fitoshido, ohallot, Sophia_s, A. 
Gelmini)
+ New Help
+ New help is packageable (sberg)
+ CSS enhancements to prettify (fitoshido)
  + investigating on-line editors
+ no conclusion yet.

+ Proposal for handling multimedia.

Objective of Multimedia:
• Will NOT replace textual description of LO resource or feature.
• Be a rich support for textual contents
• Introduce examples, use cases or tutorials on feature / resource.
• Indirectly: motivate communities to produce contents and contribute.

Issue: 
• Multimedia contents is asked to be localized on release,
  for some languages.

   Concerns:
   • Not every community has resource for localization or
 local contents production to match release deadlines.
   • Localized captions not even accepted in some languages.

   Further information on New Help
   • New help is now build-able and package-able
 (thanks to Stephan Bergman and David Tardon)
   • New Help build distinct when ONLINE or OFFLINE
  ◦ Offline is package-able.
   • OFFLINE help already has no multimedia ( tag is not rendered)
   • ONLINE help has multimedia (master).
 ◦ https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/scalc/main.html

   Options:
   1. Remove all multimedia from Help either online and offline: 
  1. Problem vanish.
   2. Remove all multimedia from offline Help.
  => Done already
   3. Implement language based multimedia enabler in XSLT / makefile
  1. --without-help-multimedia=fr
  2. if $lang = “fr” then multimedia > /dev/null
   4. Have multimedia enabled and localize 
  1. Change href= to localized contents
  2. set width=”0” and height=”0” if no localized contents.

 + was this built in discussion with l10n team ? (Michael)
 + not presented the options to them (Olivier)
+ would like to have ESC input

 + l10n team are waiting for his proposals (Sophie)
 + can we add – when video scripts are made available.
 + where are these published before embedding ?
 + expect each community to decide if they want it ? (Olivier)

 + a 5th option ? Different flavours of help  with & without ? (Heiko)
 + off-line help has no MM enabled already (Olivier)
+ the on-line site can have this. 

 => discuss this with the l10n teams for a decision.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 319(319) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-3)17(0) 36(-2) 113(1)  
 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Lionel,
  Bubli, Kendy, Sophie, Xisco, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
  => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC2
   + tag planned this week too
   + but focused on 6.1 for testers first.
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
   + plan this next week
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
   + being built – a problem with the 32bit Linux build
   + problem with Junit tests failing
   + other platforms built and being up-loaded
   + testers will have something to play with.  
+ Remotes
   + iOS update didn’t happen yet.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help: 
+ Several tweaks for handling tables (Adolfo, buovjaga, ohallot)
+ Contribution to packaging offline help (TBA, sberg)
+ online XHP editor: evaluating options for rich text editors
+ Helpcontent2
+ many help pages fixes (Sophia_S, Adolfo, ohallot, cloph, 
jpledure)
+ Guides:
+ resuming activities 
+ GS 06 Review week to be announced for May.
+ contributions from Drew Jensen.
+ Other: Wiki page for Firebird migration:
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FirebirdMigration
  thanks to RobertG

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 316(316) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(5) 17(5) 38(1)  112(3)  
 commented 61(36)   209(8)535(14)2017(6)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 2(0)   12(-2) 
  resolved  2(-2)12(-4)35(-3) 178(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 78 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 49 changes in 1 month, and 231 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 39 changes in 1 month, and 426 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 341 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 23 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 21 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 
year
  Foote, V Stuart made 17 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 16 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 146 changes in 1 year
  Dr. Matthias Weisser made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 
year

   + Terminology in file format dropdown
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108894
 + old: “Microsoft Word 2007-2013 XML”
 + suggested: "Word 2007-2016 (*.docx)" (without Microsoft)
 + check if "Office Open XML Text (docx)" is an extra filter
+ yes, it is a different filter (Miklos)
   + strictness is orthogonal
   + specification vs. reality.
   + suggest hiding the Office Open XML Text (Michael, Miklos)
 + classic bike-shed; removing Microsoft.  

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 2(-26) import failure, 4(+1) export failures
   + two assertions from FastParser still left
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
+ coverity
+ 5 (-19, +2)
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
+ one nasty layout one remaining
+ oss-fuzz
   + builds were not working properly
   + mergelib for andoid style now mended
   + waiting to see new issues.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2 
  + 747 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
  + 828 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 662(last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1 
  + 563 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1 
  + 1353 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 1433 (last 7 days) (up)

+ similar to last week; top crash is OpenGL related.
  + Miklos fixed the top issue.
  + would be good to have it in 6.0.4
  + happy but need it in -6-0 first (Miklos)

+ Review needed:
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53434/
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53329/

* ESC proto-agenda (Michael)
   + send it to the public / dev-list instead of private CC
   + should get more engagement & interest there.
   + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Michael W, Heiko, Eike, Olivier, Caolan, Miklos, Stephan,
  Michael M, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ reach out to GSOC mentors to encourage button clicking (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll (Thorsten) 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC2
   + next week tag is planned, no obvious problems.
+ 6.0.4 – RC1 status
   + tagged on Tuesday, builds already on the website
   + didn’t review all the changes on the 6.0 branch
   + please cherry-pick to 6-0-4 branch if urgent.
   + RC2 in ~2 weeks.  
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
   + next week.
+ Android
   + will replace iOS remote soon – needs rebuild for iOS11
+ Online
   + did a release.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help pages
+ Several fixes, cleanup, typos, bookmarks + bug-triag
  thanks to ohallot, S Schröder, D. Roczek, S. Horacek
+ New Help
+ Fix for  logic in XSLT (ohallot, sberg)
+ Guides
Stalled
+ Other relevant info
+ Drew Jensen back to write a wiki page for HSQLDB → Firebird 
migration
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FirebirdMigration
+ 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fotiv_eKKUVlbPCcqfNO54xWPYnL55DO5jnuNUqpdt0/edit#gid=1080472171

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 317(317) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-6) 12(-4) 37(-4) 109(-8) 
 commented 25(-45)   201(-18)   521(-14)   2011(-29)
   removed  0(-1)  2(-1)  2(-1)  14(-2) 
  resolved  4(-2) 16(-2) 38(0)  183(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 118 changes in 1 month, and 843 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 439 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 30 changes in 1 month, and 221 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 328 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 20 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 283 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 16 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 16 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 
year
  Henschel, Regina made 15 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 11 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
 
+ customization of MOD3 possible on macOS; symbol correctly assigned 
and backported to 6.0
  + in the past mod3 and mod2 merged
  + clear formatting, ctrl-M on OS/X looked like alt-m
  + wasn’t possible to configure, and visualized wrong; now fixed.

+ working on Notebookbars; guideline for QA/design added
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar
  + explaining what it means, if users want new tabs – do we accept ?
 + added guidelines to the wiki.
  
+ seeking a mentor for introducing chart styles tdf#62925
  + volunteer with expertise in C++, FSFE Argentina
  + plan is to have provide a dialog/workflow to apply all
style properties to newly created and existing charts,
ideally in Calc and Writer
  + lots of old tickets asking for this sort of thing.
  + sounds good, suggested to find a mentor.
  + chart2 code is not entirely obvious (Michael)
 + best to ask questions on IRC.

+ nested character styles tdf#115311
  + multi-selection in char style list; introduced ideally together with
merging paragraph and char style into one deck plus a style inspector
that shows priority of nested styles
  + concept – char style list should have a multi-selection

+ elementary icon theme becomes a burden so we might change
  the gnome default again towards Breeze then
  + want to present the Notebookbar in a clean way
  + default set of icons shown should be consistent.
  + Unity + GNOME(?) had Tango in the past now Elementary -> Breeze

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 28(+0) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
   + have results underway
   + assertion from FastParser expected to be there still
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
+ 5 (-19, +2) coverity issues
   + spiked in the week, but down again. 
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
   + 1 fixed this week, 1 left
+ oss-fuzz
   + all unreproducible autoclosed by oss-fuzz, only
 reproducible to be logged from now on apparently
   + was majority of our stuff up-stream
   + 7-8 left open, mostly OOM etc.
+ Someone filed 2 CVEs from 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Christian, Eike, Michael S, Lionel, Stephan, Xisco, Olivier, Caolan,
  Miklos, Heiko, Sophie, Michael W, Michael M, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with slot count (Heiko, Markus, Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – status
   + tagged yesterday, Windows builds up-loaded
+ 6.0.4 – RC1 – due to tag next week.
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + wiki page for direct gerrit edition
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing
   + useful for fixing typos and linguistic of help pages.
   + many patches from Hamburg Hackfest from SophiaS & co.
   + Patch to allow new Help to be installed as UNO package (extension)
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52700/3 
  + 
https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com.br/2018/04/new-libreoffice-help-is-also-uno.html
   + review & submission of corrections to help-pages on-going   
   + poor presence in guides meetings.

* Timing – Thorsten requested:
+ new doodle poll; can we find a better time ?
AI: + create the poll(Thorsten) 

* HSQLDB -> Firebird migration plan (Lionel, Miklos)
+ reverted initial removal of HSQLDB
+ based on feedback – Tomi will add a warning dialog (Miklos)
   + user can choose whether the migration is wanted or not.
   + would be good to know what the transition period should be too.
+ would be good to wait until firebird is present in LTS releases (Lionel)
   + before removing HSQLDB
   + how long ? (Miklos)
  + Ubuntu – every 2 years (Lionel)
  + say 2-3 years, if Debian.
   + other questions (Michael)
  + what is default ?
  + do people really exchange DB’s by E-mail ?
  + we migrate data – how much do we need it ?
   + eager to keep HSQLDB syntax / engine (Lionel)
  + for transition - something like a programming tool
  + 2-3 years looks good for Lionel.
+ when do we make firebird the default ? (Lionel)
   + can be for the next release when its ready.
   + need to get an overview of the bugs
+ Metabug: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780
   + may already be in a better state than HSQLDB
   + not opposed with this being a default for next release.
+ exchanging DB’s by E-mail can happen (Lionel)
   + know some groups that do.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics 
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 328(328) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(1) 16(-1)41(-1) 117(0)  
 commented 70(26)   219(27)   535(41)2040(44) 
   removed  1(1)  3(2)  3(2)   16(3)  
  resolved  6(3) 18(3) 38(3)  182(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 860 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 62 changes in 1 month, and 447 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 40 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 26 changes in 1 month, and 315 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 291 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 19 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 11 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 10 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 
year

   + Sifr for Hicontrast
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52772/
 + this is there for a11y reasons
 + agreed by Hypra
 + Sifr is small compared to hicontrast (Michael)
+ so if you want to see things with hicontrast you need these
 + hicontrast for people with color / contrast disability (Kendy)
+ from what recall from Sifr – grey not high contrast.
 + Possibly solved by more modern hardware / shaders cf. The bug:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75398#c14
 + was concerned too (Caolan)
 => turn it into an extension.

   + Badly readable styles at sidebar tdf#115507 and similar
 Closed as WFM now
 
* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 28(+22) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
+ big jump here. Old bug not showing up until std::unique_ptr
   + could have been a cause of random crashes; now fixed.
+ one outstanding assert caused by FastParser (Michael S)
   + NS handling in xmloff not quite right
   + only works with the normal namespace prefixes
   + prefix → integer → string; 2nd mapping is static
   + have CC’d Azorpid on it.
  

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Cloph, Stephan, Sophie, Caolán, Olivier, Michael W,
  Miklos, Michael M, Heiko, Xisco, Michael S, Thorsten, 
  Chris Sherlock  

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + will be tagged next week – final 5.4 line release
+ 6.0.3 – RC2 status
   + released as final earlier today.
+ Android
   + impress remote crash with wifi on Android
   + fix in repo will release to play store shortly. 
+ Online
   + 6.0.3 release of online too.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help pages updated /fixes (G. Kelemen. S. Horacek, buovjaga,
  D. Roscek, ohallot, atimar, A. Gelmini)
+ (on going) wiki page on direct inline help page editing in gerrit
  (thanks to D. Ostrovsky, M. Kaganski, buovjaga)
   + should make fixing typos & small updates very easily.
   + should significantly improve editing efficiency & flow.
   + finishing wiki page with instructions & building a video on this:
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing

+ Bug triaging for Help
+ Guides: stalled.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 330(330) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(4)  17(-4)42(1)  117(-1) 
 commented 44(-23)   192(-1)   494(-6)1996(-16)
   removed  0(-1)  1(0)  1(0)   13(0)  
  resolved  3(0)  15(0) 35(-1) 180(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 824 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 44 changes in 1 month, and 235 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 41 changes in 1 month, and 420 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 40 changes in 1 month, and 304 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 10 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
  m.a.riosv made 9 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year

   * Terminology modifications to Paste Special format 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
   + we have eg. calc8 as a format presented to user here.
 + updated the strings here. hopefully easier to understand

   * Ctrl/cmd+Tab & shift+ctrl/cmd+tab introduced for customization
 and assigned to next/prev sheet in Calc (wip)
  + good; be careful of tab/shift-tab for focus/a11y (Michael)

   * tdf#116695 Make Elementary the default on Gnome
 patch merged to see if “gnome” works as DE
  + discussion ongoing in the bug.
  + think Sifr better than Elementary (Cloph)
  + also think Colibre would be better on more platforms.
   + better choice (Heiko)
   + but want to keep Breeze on KDE.
  + best to get someone to test it rather than pushing to master (Michael)
  + why not use Colibre on GNOME ? (Michael)
  + important to use what we have (Heiko)
  + lets pick the best, and use that (Michael)
  + UX team want Elementary for GNOME → do that.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 6(+0) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
+ 25 (-3, +20) coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ wheels have fallen off the wagon wrt integer overflows
  and 32bit rect/point/etc, 28+
+ change to 32bit on all platforms (used to be 64bit on 64bit)
+ will switch to 64bit on all platforms instead to avoid this (Stephan)
+ lots of noise from this
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
+ reviews of backports much appreciated.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2 
  + 688 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
  + 1048 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 346 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1 
  + 636 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1 
  + 2052 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 18 (last 7 days) (-)
+ quite surprised in 5.4.6.2 – numbers of crashes are low in last week
  + 5.4.x continues to go down
+ fix for SetUpdateMode pending (Michael)

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 42 final applications – deadline is over, please review!
  + somewhat down on previous years; similar to other projects.
   + 16+ mentors
   + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Stephan, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Olivier, Caolan, Michael W,
  Michael M, Tomaz, Miklos, Christian, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ chase old security - viva tool / company via Vasily (Thorsten)

* ImageURL bits (Tomaz)
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Image_handling_re-work
+ Graphic pieces were handled by string in the API
+ properties in the API – used to be a string URL, now XGraphic.
+ question is – how to handle it for back-compatibility 
+ probably old macros use the old API.
+ is there some way we can get strings still ? (Michael)
+ was previously an embedded URL – this will now go away (Tomaz)
+ if the URL is external – still makes sense. 
+ some APIs eg. fillbitmap – used only internal URLs before.
+ how can we warn the user of this ?
+ Thorsten had some concerns wrt. existing macros (Stephan)
+ on the mailing list.
+ what should continue to work is common use-case:
+ URL for graphic to include somewhere, could in the past
  set that property to a URL-name; make sure it still works.
+ how would I put an image in a document from a file ? (Michael)
+ put a URL in the property – and it works (Tomaz)
+ for setting – it makes sense still.
+ getting the properties back not such a big deal (Tomaz)
+ if used to set external URL ? (Stephan)
+ reading it should get that back then.
+ in un-linked graphics case (Miklos)
+ sending the URL – an un-linked graphics is created
+ can’t return much – except the unique-id of the graphic
+ we want to kill that.
+ the vnd.sun.star ID ? (Stephan)
 + that’s correct (Tomaz)
 + we don’t want to get that back (for read) (Stephan)
+ good new things (Tomaz)
 + image loss is much harder to achieve.
 + GraphicObject unique-id is not used anymore
 + re-working GraphicObjects
 + XGraphic now used instead
 + the Swap functionality goes to Graphic itself 
 + and gets simplified
 + external link handling & handling of source graphics
   should be simplified too.
 + so Graphic will work much better, and be easier to maintain.
 + lots done in SdrGraphicObject that doesn’t belong there.
 + swapping triggered from there – can be transparent inside
   the Graphic itself
 + interested to get faster image sizing (Michael) 
 + best thing – getting swapping transparent to the code (Tomaz)
 + created a meta-bug to track issues wrt. refactoring (Xisco)
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116280 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.6 – released as final today
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + last of the 5.4 release line
+ 6.0.3 – RC1
   + delayed by build failures.
   + fix for windows done yesterday.
   + passes the JUnit tests nicely
   + will tag RC2 on Thur not Tue next week.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
* New Help
+ Enabled YouTube videos in New Help pages (ohallot)
e.g. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/swriter/main.html 
+ Enable ODF files in New Help pages (ohallot)
e.g. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/scalc/01/func_imsin.html 
+ fixes in New help XSLT.
* Help contents
+ Help page for Calc XML Source features (ohallot + Kohei contents)
+ bug triaging
* Guides
+ More chapter revisions from community
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 337(337) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(-4) 28(-2)48(-2) 125(-1) 
 commented 62(-16)   229(13)   535(14)2041(-10)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  0(0)   12(0)  
  resolved  4(-3) 14(2) 39(-2) 192(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 854 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 83 changes in 1 month, and 266 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 71 changes in 1 month, and 322 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 62 changes in 1 month, and 449 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 55 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 46 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 17 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 35 changes in 1 year
  

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Stephan, Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Olivier, Kendy, Christian, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with a plan for un-blocking peak CI in future (Christian)
   [ one plan – have variants of the job to disable linux / gcc builder
 with high load, and have Windows VMs on them to handle Windows load.
 Can be done manually quite easily – enable 1 config vs. the other.
 Can be automated by querying the queue size etc.
 Could we spin-up cloud VMs here ?
 Is it better to revert more aggressively ? (Michael)
 + yes, was looking at a queue of dependent patches
 + things getting merged when queue is long (Thorsten)
 + would be ideal to scale higher for a day eg. ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.6 - RC2 next week (beginning of week March 13/Tue)
+ tagged and built yesterday, up-loading builds now.

+ 6.0.3 – RC1 and branch next week (end of week March 15/Thu)
+ plan to tag late this evening.
+ SalGraphics / jmux assert bits – have a patch, causes another issue
 + is another test breakage related or not (?)
 + unclear if the fix is effective.
+ ought to get this into RC1 if we can:
 + currently over 30x patches waiting for 6.0
 + a reviewing stall there:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-6-0 
+ reviews much appreciated.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Fixes in Help Content from translators (ohallot, fitoshido, kelemen, 
gelmini)
 + Fixed / clarification in HC pages (ohallot)
 + improved calc descriptions.
 + New Help
 + Fix for New Help navigation (ohallot)
 + Refactor offline help eliminating extra ver# (ohallot, sberg) 
 + Packaging: pending. 
 + Books / Guides: 
 + stalled due to team member’s availability.
 + will dedicate more time to packaging next.
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 338(338) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(2) 30(9) 50(10) 126(8)  
 commented 78(36)   216(59)   521(75)2051(63) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  0(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  7(4) 12(3) 41(3)  189(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 86 changes in 1 month, and 847 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 82 changes in 1 month, and 272 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 75 changes in 1 month, and 330 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 56 changes in 1 month, and 456 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 45 changes in 1 month, and 319 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 97 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 9 changes in 1 month, and 767 changes in 1 year

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 2301 (+2301) import failure, 10(+9) export failures
  + a big jump, PDF import has a recent crash
  + new assert from mst accounts for most of it.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is still down “for synopsys rebranding” (maybe)
+ still completely dead. Down and out ?
  + how vital is that ? (Thorsten)
+ could do some of this in clang plugins (Caolan)
   + eg. intialize member in one constructor, but not another
   + worth making a list of common problems next.
AI: + chase some old paper of another tool via Vasily (Thorsten)
   + https://www.viva64.com/en/b/0308/ 
+ forcepoint round #5
  + fixed all their stuff, modulo DLP bits that need releases.
  + from 6000 → 300.
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + 1-2 per day coming in.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 917 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 1066 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1
+ 1347 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1
+ 1492 (last 7 days) (up)
+ slightly up this week - service down 2x days last week.  
+ nothing unexpected.

* ODF versioning / compat fix (Michael)
   + Michael S’ caveats should prolly be engraved in stone somewhere.

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 16 mentors
   + have only 4 proposals so far
   + 2 blank, 2 Android.
   + expect some 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Caolan, Stephan, Miklos, Xisco, Eike, Sophie, Michael S
  Kendy, Michael M, Jan-Marek, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a plan for un-blocking peak CI in future (Christian)
   [ still pending ]
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ No builds this week.
+ Next up:
  + 6.0.3 – RC1 and branch next week (end of week March 15/Thu)
  + 5.4.6 - RC2 next week (beginning of week March 13/Tue)
  + Android
  + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Help pages contents: 208 Open bugs (+1)
  + 2 unconfirmed
 + 22 patches for Help contents by (G Kelemen, fitochido, A Gelmini)
 + New help: improvements in OS detection in  (ohallot)
  + Pending: new help packaging (tdf#116240)
  + Meta bug: tdf#97629
 + Help online editor : resuming with Mike Saunders and Liongold.
 + Guides:
  + progress in revision for GS 6.0 (+ 3 chapters reviewed)
 + should the help directory contain the version # ? (Stephan)
  + would be better to remove redundant ver in install set.
  + will open a bug and fix it (Olivier)
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Heiko on vacation next ~two weeks.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 326(326) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 21(1)  40(3)  118(6)  
 commented 42(13)   157(-22)   446(-13)   1988(-13)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   0(-2)  13(-1) 
  resolved  3(2)  9(-2) 38(-2) 185(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 94 changes in 1 month, and 869 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 44 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 38 changes in 1 month, and 310 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 16 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 11 changes in 1 month, and 767 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Kevin Suo made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
  Benes, Luke made 8 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (+0) import failure, 1(+0) export failures
  + last week’s value.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is still down for synopsys rebranding (maybe)
  + down permanently ? Over a week being re-branded.  
+ forcepoint
  + fixed the last set of reports, lots of nullptr de-referencing
  + sent sample docs to AOO for reference.
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + addressed a number of timeout issues
  + down to ~20 fuzzing issues there.
  + test case documents are sometimes used by other doc fuzzers
 + causing issues for other people

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 764 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 665 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 706 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 2002 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1
+ 1053 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1
+ 714 (last 7 days) (-)

+ The crash report service was down for 2 days last weekend

+ Jmux & Michael worked on the virtual-pointer issue
+ discovered mpGraphics2 – was never freed on Windows
  since it was introduced in 2000 – the cause.
+ pushed patch to master & -6-0 – hopefully will improve.

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 14 mentors so far (+8 pending)
   + would be good to check that people are responding to their mentor mails
   + if you want to mentor: add yourself to wiki page & check for invites.

 * GSoC schedule
   + Student Application Period: March 12 – 27
   + Application Review Period: March 27 - April 23
   + [libo] Deadline for EasyHack submission - March 31st  
   + [libo] Deadline for merge of EasyHack – April 7th 
   + Student Projects Announced: April 23
   + Community Bonding: April 23 - May 14
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + Evaluation 1: June 11 - 15
   + Evaluation 2: July 9 - 13
   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
   + Results Announced: August 22

   + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Sophie, Caolan, Cloph, Christian, Eike, Stephan, Miklos, David
  Olivier, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Michael M, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ go over the past budget ideas & cleanup as a base (Thorsten)
+ do a libreoffice-6-0-1 branch on the tag (Christian)
+ get input from Sophie on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49914/ 
(Olivier)
   [ put Sophie on copy of the gerrit commit and Sophie +1’d ].

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.2 - RC1 – tag Feb 20
+ released as final earlier today
+ 6.0.3 – RC1 – 3 weeks out.
+ 5.4.6 - RC1 update
+ tagged by Xisco yesterday
+ various builds up-loading
+ will up-load them today
+ 5.4.6 RC2 – week after next
+ Android
+ completed roll-out on the play store.  
+ Online
+ up-loaded a 6.0.2 final.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Updates in help contents (G. Kelemen, Tagezi, ohallot, caolan, Laurent 
BP, A Gelmini)
   + 35 patches
+ 92 open bugs on Help Contents (tdf#80430)
   + 5 closed
   + problems understanding many reporters. 
+ Improvements in help online reading (buovjaga)
   + New new-help meta bug - tdf#97629
   + Pending: packaging for distros for off-line use.
+ Changes from new GTK3 (caolan)
+ Books
   + resumed more chapters for final proofreading
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 322(322) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2)  20(5)  37(4)  112(5)  
 commented 29(-20)   179(-17)   459(-15)   2001(-15)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   2(0)   14(0)  
  resolved  1(-2) 11(-1) 40(-4) 188(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 111 changes in 1 month, and 887 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 47 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 27 changes in 1 month, and 773 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 22 changes in 1 month, and 425 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 20 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 16 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 12 changes in 1 month, and 288 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  Ekansh Jha made 11 changes in 1 month, and 22 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 39 changes in 1 year

+ Blog posts for easyhackers about Set-up and Terminology
  + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/22/easyhacking-set-environment/
  + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/28/easyhacking-all-about-terminology/

  + Suggestion from l10n member to have a checkbox in Jenkins to approve 
texts
  + so experienced person checks text in new translatable strings.
  + prefer to get best-practice on strings written-up (Michael)
  + if we have police – want blocking policy on UX guidelines (Heiko)
   + joke.
  + nice to have people aware of everything but we don’t work this way.
  + what is the underlying complaint ? (Michael)
   + that we change things too often in the code (Heiko)
   + sounds like feature-not-bug to me (Michael)
  + encourage a mail to the dev list to give examples
of bad changes (Michael)

+ Should export to HTML keep formatting per white-space?
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115326
  + Recommendation: NOTOURBUG/WONTFIX
  + if someone has a patch they’re welcome to contribute (Michael)
  + similar issue with empty-paragraphs (Miklos)
  + we already insert a .

+ on vacation the next two weeks

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (-1) import failure, 1(+1) export failures
  + can’t reproduce the export crash.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is down for synopsys rebranding (maybe)
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + oss-fuzz back online again
  + tried to splitup our fuzzers – since they were too large
+ had an individual config per fuzzer.
+ forcepoint runs, various credits in commits
  + do we continue to get good stuff ?

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 955 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 954 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 881 (last 7 days) (up)
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Heiko, Michael M, Christian, Olivier, Miklos, Caolan
  Eike, Kendy, David, Kendy, Michael S, Jmux, Xisco, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ go over the past budget ideas & cleanup as a base (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.2 - RC1 – tag Feb 2 0
+ will be done by Xisco later today
+ a 1 RC only release.
+ move back to normal branching further down the release.
+ problems with crash-reporter (Michael)
AI:  + do a branch on the tag (Christian)
+ 6.0 kill ? (Heiko)
+ on our download page – have access to 6.0
+ not sure it is a problem – hard to find (Cloph, Michael)
 + will disappear when builds go from the mirror directory.
+ 5.4.6 - RC1 tag Feb 27 next Tues. 
+ regular 2x RC schedule.
+ Android
+ roll out covers all users
+ crash reports looking much better
+ Online
+ should do a 6.0.2 RC1/final next week.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Catching up the help pages gap x features updates (ohallot, LaurentBP)
+ Published 3/8 Macro BASIC ref. cards (JF Nifenecker, ohallot)
   + written in French; now translated to English.
+ Resuming book review for Getting Started 6 (D. Barton, Jrodriguez, 
ohallot)
+ Please advise on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49914/
   + massive change, terminology: removing the word Runtime
   + is there a reason for that ? (Eike)
   + bothers the authors (Olivier)
   + “Runtime” doesn’t seem to be needed in text.
   + can we do this with a sed script across the translations ? 
(Michael)
   + yes, if only a script – but did translators translate it ? 
(Cloph)
   + if not – mostly tricky.
   + is “catagiries” in commit Categories in change? (Michael)
   + yes (Olivier)
AI:   + ask Sophie (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 322(322) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-2)15(-6) 33(-4) 107(-9) 
 commented 49(8)196(-37)   474(-28)   2016(-48)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   2(0)   14(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 12(1)  44(-2) 192(-23)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 94 changes in 1 month, and 887 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 28 changes in 1 month, and 782 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 22 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 19 changes in 1 month, and 286 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 19 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 433 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 18 changes in 1 month, and 65 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 85 changes in 1 year

  + Easyhacking: How to set up your environment

https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/22/easyhacking-set-environment/
   + collection of links to the wiki: so people can install code and hack 
on it
   + first of a series Heiko plans on this
   + since some GSOC students don’t know how to do it.

  + Improvements to Font Listing
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/18/improvements-font-listing/
   + outcome of design session last week
   + how to filter out un-interesting fonts in the font-name drop-down.
   + 3 options; poll in the blog – give your feedback to inform the devs
 ultimate decisions as they implement.

  + New backgrounds gallery theme in 6.1
   + Extensions for legacy bitmaps available
   + now can install the old background images via extensions.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (-1) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ good news.
+ 4(+0) coverity
+ ?? 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
+ something wrong up-stream; not producing results.
+ unclear what changed; exception suggests no config files.
+ forcepoint – have been finding things in master
+ also in DLP libraries
+ finding some bits in filter-detection
+ lots of overlap between fuzzing & crash-testing & coverity
+ finding the same things.
+ added a fuzzer for PDF importing and finding bits in PDF export.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1004 (last 7 days) (down)
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Thorsten, Miklos, Sophie, Stephan, Heiko, Eike, Christian,
  Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Jmux

* Completed Action Items:
+ Check availability of people for GSOC / UI mentoring (Heiko) 
[ asked people and updated as explained ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 6.0.0 retrospective ?
  + crashes on windows quite a lot.
   + 6.0.1.1
  + tagged a build quickly here before release, and it does fix crashers.
  + test build for en_US on pre-release server
  + release builds available later today/tomorrow
  + starting a flatpak build too (Stephan)
  + will push to download pages without blocking on QA.
  + seems to fix the known crashes (Xisco)
 + thanks to V. Stuart & Buovjaga for testing.
   + 6.0.2 – at the time of what was 6.0.1 before this & renumber upwards.
  + keeping the schedule intact.
   + 5.4.5.1
  + releasing this as final – no fixes for RC2 anyway
  + pushing this as of now on the download page.
   + thanks to Caolan & team @ RedHat
  + will update pages on release.
   + Android
  + Beta version appears to have solved all the top crashes
  + need to check how many are using the beta. (260 as of today)
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + assumed in the air.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 320(320) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(4) 17(3) 34(2)  111(2)  
 commented 63(18)   211(35)   492(-3)2078(8)  
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   15(0)  
  resolved  3(-2)15(1) 47(-5) 220(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 86 changes in 1 month, and 908 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 44 changes in 1 month, and 792 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 35 changes in 1 month, and 435 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 26 changes in 1 month, and 418 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 24 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 18 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 18 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 13 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year

   + Trouble with announced but missing features 
+ table styles depend on user settings
+ have to delete the user-directory to enable it.
+ special character was a decision
+ introduced a new button which is hidden, new one
  with floating widget is not visible.
+ some discussion on horizontal space here.
   + design people wanted to keep it.

   + Paragraph break
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271
→ keep current state – the old way

   + Bypassing import dialogs
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74580
→ want a fast/default case for CSV import. Dropped needs-ux

   + ‘100 paper cuts’ GSoC project suggestion
+ ask on the design ML to submit their own top-10 cuts.
+ some sort of voting, to see what are relevant
+ get a prioritised list of student-solve-able topics.
+ some may be harder than easy-hacks.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0(-18) import failure, 1(+1) export failures
+ calc issues gone with different default
+ Dennis’ implicit intersection work ongoing.
+ can dig the docs out of previous crash-testing results.
   + using the BZ markup (Caolan)
   + should be there for some months.
+ mst has a fix for the 1 export issue. 
+ 4 (+0) coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
working on embedded font parsing
+ busy funding the same issues that crash-testing find.
+ fun font parsing bits ongoing.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 951 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1451 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2098 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1529 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 7 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 7966 (last 7 days) (up)
   

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Stephan, Eike, Sophie, Samuel T, Heiko, Caolan, Christian,
  Michael M, Miklos, Kendy, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
+ tag planned Tuesday evening.
   + 6.0 RC3 – due this week
+ tagged & built, up-loaded to pre-release server
+ announce planned last week of Jan.
+ no late features left.
+ all patches are reviewed.
+ everything looks good for a final release next week.
+ please remember to cherry-pick to libreoffice-6-0-0 +2 reviews for
  the final release.
   + Android
+ builds prepared for ARM & Intel
+ looking good → play store as an alpha version
 + hopefully crash-rates will improve a lot.
   + Online
+ some patches needing review, before RC3

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + New Help:
   + More tweaks: index results pagination (buovjaga)
   + now supports all LO languages in page UI (Olivier)
   + pending: building packages for distribution
   + building msi / RPM / DEB
   + poking at scp2 but still WIP
   + can we bootstrap from existing help packs ? (Michael)
   + Updates on traditional help pages (Laurent BP, Adolpho, Olivier)
   + Info: 96 open bugs related to help page

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 316(316) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(4) 13(4) 31(-1) 109(0)  
 commented 60(26)   162(8)480(-34)   2059(-25)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   15(-3) 
  resolved  3(-2)15(-4)51(-3) 223(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 72 changes in 1 month, and 944 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 48 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 36 changes in 1 month, and 797 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 413 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 25 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 327 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 424 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 13 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year

   + LibO branding present at https://demo.identihub.co/project/libreoffice#/
   + organized by Albanian team (Ura Design)
   + possible issue with Vanilla in Mac app-store
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115206
+ internal file-dialog showing up 
   + thanks to Gülşah Köse for improvements to Calc context
 menus (48067, 47925, 48417)

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 76(-4) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
+ couple of new export failures fixed.
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
   + Dennis patch this week to work around one type
+ implicit intersection patch pending
+ 7 (-5) coverity
+ pretty stable.
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ html seems to be tailing off finally
+ seems to be dying down here
+ very easy to get OOM with large col/row claims in tables
  + work-around patch in gerrit.
+ calc html and a few more outstanding.
+ most of the work on calc already done too.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 734 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1273 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 1764 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1359 (last 7 days) (-)

+ Service down on Jan 21, 2018
+ fewer reports than usual – numbers look good.

* GSOC Application (Heiko)
+ finished registration
+ should be ready to submit this week.
+ page on wiki has been updated.
+ next deadline ? (including for ideas)

* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Xisco, Olivier, Heiko, Stephan, Eike, Sophie, Christian,
+ Samuel, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Thorsten, David, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ review HTML patch and submit
 [ tested on Mac & Windows and will merge to master (Olivier) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + no release this week
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
   + 6.0 RC3 – due next week
+ announce planned last week of Jan.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ should all be in plus a bug-fix corner-case crash
 when people don’t have gpg installed, looks good for 6.0 ]
+ please remember to cherry-pick to libreoffice-6-0-0 +2 reviews for
  the final release.
   + Android
+ patches getting committed now; some reviews from Thorsten.
+ poking the Android tinderbox before doing a test release.
+ builds with bundled cairo: some memory wins (Michael)
   + Online
+ pending rc3 next.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + Patch for activating new local help (olivier)
  + next: test packaging.
   + Books:
  + Still working on GS 6.0 book w/ community.
  + Started Calc Guide Update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 317(317) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  1(-4)  9(-2)32(-4) 109(-2) 
 commented 34(-11)   154(8)514(-25)   2084(-39)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  2(0)   18(-3) 
  resolved  5(3)  19(2) 54(1)  227(-7) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 56 changes in 1 month, and 985 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 46 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 39 changes in 1 month, and 803 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 324 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 18 changes in 1 month, and 399 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 18 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 414 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 10 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 9 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year

  + Discussed how direct formatting and styles are applied and reverted
+ (tdf#112852) with the suggestion of a style inspector
→ good topic for newbies
+ another one might be to rework shortcut assignment
+ KEY_A = A != KEY_ = some non-latin char

+ two new people are showing up looking for easyhacks
+ (Abhishek Shrivastava – quickstarter & another).

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 80(+2) import failure, 760 (+760) export failures
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 12 coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ html an exciting set

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 1020 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1347 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2297 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1353 (last 7 days) (up)


* GSOC Application (Thorsten)
+ Markus working on it; deadline Tues 23rd
+ ~90% done

* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for mentoring:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2018/01/16/tender-consultancy-libreoffice-feature-implementation-incl-site-development-training-201801-01/
+ layers issues – one a dup; a large problem domain here.
+ still looking for people who want help learning how to fix
  their problems interactively at a hackfest.

* mentoring/easyhack update
  committer...   1 week 1 month  3 months12 months   
  open  73(-3) 137(-13) 139(-15) 142(-15)
   reviews 604(-13)   1762(3)  5008(215)   18666(-9) 
merged 262(-51)   1062(-124)   3686(143)   12013(49) 
 abandoned  21(8) 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ jani, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, milian, Stephan, Heiko,
  Caolan, Cloph, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, David, Thorsten,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ review HTML patch and submit to 6-0 (Kendy)
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.4 – WinXP SDK re-build
+ replaced on the mirrors; in download archive – respin in separate 
folder
  
https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.4.4.2/win/x86/xp_respin/
 
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
   + 6.0 RC2 (Xisco)
+ 8 patches in gerrit: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:core+branch:libreoffice-6-0
+ tag & branch libreoffice-6-0-0 after the meeting
   + please review patches ASAP.
+ 2nd to last RC.
+ tripple review after the branch for libreoffice-6-0-0
+ one review for libreoffice-6-0
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – if not making
 the deadline for RC2 get it tripple reviewed.
 worst cases disable in the UI – but don’t expect that
 marketing should still market it ? (Michael)
+ yes (Thorsten) ].
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ progress, very close to being tested on master,
 needs patches approved & merged to master → 6.0
+ finished the intermediate files to activate help
+ fixed uno commands help too.
+ would appreciate help reviewing patch (Kendy)
+ Xisco giving good feedback.
+ tested it on Mac – with some problems.
+ does the help get into MSI files etc. ? (Michael)
+ should be an add-on, packaged in the same way.
+ Extended tips do they work ? (Cloph)
+ makefile that dtardon did, adds help tips
  to the new help
+ downside of sticking with old-style for 6.0 ? (Miklos)
+ want to improve the help content too (Olivier)
+ editing of help not a blocker (Kendy)
+ merge it ASAP to master, can switch master to it.
+ not a disaster not having it in 6.0, won’t block the
  help changes we want. ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ merged to 6-0 on monday ]
   + Android (Cloph)
   + some patches causing a conflict, regarding runtime permissions
   + pushed something to fix stray page borders (Michael)
   + proper fix for the rendering issue from Pranav.
   + Online
   + RC2 – needs doing.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + finally decided on book cover artwork
   + do we have time for a run-off (?)
   + Localization of online UI

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 11(-1)36(-2) 111(0)  
 commented 45(11)   146(-2)   539(-19)   2123(-46)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 2(0)   21(0)  
  resolved  2(-3)17(-1)53(-3) 234(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 47 changes in 1 month, and 1006 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 46 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 28 changes in 1 month, and 344 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 27 changes in 1 month, and 786 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 19 changes in 1 month, and 413 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 92 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 8 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 1 year

 * HIG: “Provide tooltips for unlabeled controls or when the label doesn't make 
the function perfectly clear.”
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/PropertyDialog
   + state of our art

 * Paragraph selection with or without breaks
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271
   + discussion in progress

 * Update of recovery dialog
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114508
   + mockup provided
   + weird workflow in the dialog.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 78(+0) import failure, 0 export failures
+ as before christmas - still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 4 (-1) 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Olivier, Stephan, Xisco, Michael M, Miklos, Michael S,
  Kendy, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask quikee what he recommends on svg icons on dev list (Heiko)
[ quikee – on ML; some issues – when the bugs are solved,
  we should switch to SVG – plan to make it fully functional. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 
   + 5.4.4 – WinXP SDK re-build (?)
   + 5.4.5 
+ 6.0 RC1
+ builds are done, and up-loading
+ no additional branch yet – but on -6-0 branch
+ still in 1x review mode.
+ 6-0-0 branch is due Jan 9th for RC2.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – but negative time.
 expect things next week. ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ still working, not yet ready – fixing l10n issues
 working sfx2 to make it work.
 Kendy has a patch to help out. ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ merged option with scary message ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ change added to master, included in TB builds,
 will cherry-pick to 6-0 branch ]
   + Android
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Several fixes / additions for help pages contents (Olivier)
+ Patch to open new help locally (Kendy, Olivier, Tomaz)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/47383/1
+ Needs a bit of advice there.
+ how to set a timer to wait for browser opening.
+ can’t erase the /tmp file before the browser uses it.
+ is this generated on the fly ? (Michael)
 + can’t use the file:/// protocol (Olivier)
   or it opens it inside the file manager
   then open shell with this HTML file.
+ delete temporary folder on exit of LibreOffice (Kendy)
 + easy to catch with a ‘static’ object destructor.
 + already working as-is temp files are cleaned on exit 
(Olivier)
+ better help page layout and display from UX (Andreas K, Buovjaga) .
+ coming real soon 
+ Open question: we use Javascript in our new help pages
+ do users complain wrt. Having NoScript enabled in browser. 
+ should we address this too ?
+ leave this for later / wontfix ?
+ dynamically adapt content for platforms with JS
+ no problem with noscript expected (Kendy)
 + should be able to generate page that works even with no JS
+ Resuming book edition for 6.0 Getting started next Monday.
AI: + review HTML patch and submit to 6-0 (Kendy)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(0) 12(1)  38(-2) 111(0)  
 commented 34(-1)   148(-13)   558(1) 2169(-9) 
   removed  0(0)  1(-1)  2(0)   21(0)  
  resolved  5(1) 18(-2) 56(1)  240(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 54 changes in 1 month, and 1039 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 31 changes in 1 month, and 780 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 406 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 350 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 17 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 180 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 17 changes in 1 month, and 225 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 11 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 
year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 9 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year

+ reworking the color palette based on real math now
+ confusion of what is purple vs. indigo at the start
+ all being re-done; will look similar – but with exact values change
+ will need to adjust gradients, table styles etc.
+ rearranging controls in the customization dialog
+ to have labels on all controls, improves a11y too.
+ looking for code review on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46971/
+ tooltips for track-changes, seeking a reviewer.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 
+ 81 (-9) import failure, 0 export failures
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 8? (-6) coverity
+ ?? fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html newly added
+ calc 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Eike, Heiko, Olivier, Sophie, Miklos, Xisco, Caolan,
  Thorsten, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0 Beta 2 status
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ largely done, problems decrypting ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ Shinnok is progressing with the scripts ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ add to allow enabling if people want it ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ will provide builds for testers ]
   + 6.0 RC1 – freeze next Tues Dec 19th
   + 5.4.4 RC2 status
   + Android
+ have a patch for unified headers
+ using llvm C++ crashes on ARM, so using GNU stl for ARM for now.
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Many fixes in help pages, mostly typos and updates (O Hallot, G. 
Kelemen, Fitoshido)
 + New help pages on Presenter Console and Calc’s data form.
 + New Help Makefiles landed thanks to David Tardon
   + working nicely.
   + need to connect LibreOffice to this new help.
   + some sfx2 / sfxhelp.cxx goodness needed.
 + Getting Started Guide stalled.
 + FOSDEM talk accepted.

* Testing Jitsi for ESC calls (Michael)
   + https://meet.jit.si/TDFESC
   + working nicely with 11 people
   + awesome quality (Thorsten)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 366(366) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months   
 added  6(0)  18(2)  46(-1) 115(-3)  
 commented 35(-30)   182(-46)   620(-12)   2313(-109)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   19(0)   
  resolved  5(0)  19(-3) 56(2)  245(2)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 66 changes in 1 month, and 802 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1095 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 54 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 52 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 40 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 28 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 16 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Krot, Serge made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
   + Gradients submitted
+ some clang compilation problem.
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46428/
+ UITest_writer_demo failure, probably caused by the change after 
all
   + Elementary icons submitted
+ people working on them; people working on them. 
   + string changes:
+ planning terminology changes for bullet list styles,
+ changing List 1 → Roman List Lowercase
+ formats at find dialog, and customization
+ renaming bits here.
+ getting them ready before the hard string freeze.
   + proposing to flag internal file picker dialogs obsolete
 + many tickets on this topic (tdf#87860), bad usability
 + reasons for the dialog were kde4 – will have Qt5 dialog
 + concept of self-made file-picker not working.
 + we have CMIS dialogs for access to remote servers.
+ Open Remote Files eg.
 + what about http:// webdav URLs ? (Eike)
+ expect open-from-remote to replace that (Thorsten)
 => remove the option from the options page.
+ release-note – add to 6.0 “pending removal” list for 6.1
 + the ‘gen’ backend depends on generic file-picker (Caolan)
+ cancelled plan to drop it for now though.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 143 import failure, 38 export failures
+ mstahl has fixed the exports
+ Calc threading crashers (Dennis on it)
+ believe all import crashers are calc
+ MATCH changes dependencies → black-list
+ TextSearch issue, implicit intersection ...
+ 6 coverity
+ 3 old lingering java warnings, see list mail fix/ignore etc.
+ Java lovers’ input appreciated.
+ 43 (+1) fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl)
+ latest is mathtype
+ digging these out of parent documents.
+ (writer) html next but can’t even get a short local run bug free yet
+ leaves calc html import as the last one to do.
+ including two filters here.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Xisco, Olivier, Miklos, Kendy, Stephan,
  Eike, Christian, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Shinnok, Norbert

* Completed Action Items:
+ look into ulimit -c unlimited-ness on CI slaves (Cloph)
[ done: only 2x didn’t have it set – the others did already.
  Not seen issue again yet (Stephan) ]
+ check for increased crashes when enabling 5.4.3 updating (Christian)
[ not live yet – but will poke Xisco when it is ]
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
[ dropped ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0 Beta 1
+ tagging delayed until Saturday
   + fixes related win signing / actually packaging etc.
   + got packages for the bug-hunting session
   + a few manual disables of unit tests for windows
   + curl update makes test fail, and win file locking too.
   + now tests non-fatal if can’t delete file thanks to Stephan.
   + back-port to 6.0 if possible (Cloph)
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ started looking at scripts (Shinnok)
+ poked at portability issues.
+ will work with Olivier to fix details.
 Like David T’s approach (Kendy)
+ lets have a CustomTarget to start with first
+ good to sync with him first ‘dtardon’ ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   [ mkara finished it so macros & styles work,
 ready to submit, Bubli reviewing ]
   + 6.0 Beta 2 (optional)
+ due next week in case late-features / big fixes are ready.
+ otherwise, no pressing reason to do one.
+ issue with Mac: Impress/Draw not working: hard to test
   + 5.4.4 RC1: this week
+ not tagged yet, quite a few patches in the queue to review.
+ 9 are left, should be easy to review.
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4 
   + Android
+ have a workaround for the rendering issue in gerrit.
+ disabling the charts on top of tiles as a workaround.
+ have a build with those fixes for QA to test.
   + Online
+ branched and source pushed.

* FOSDEM / Brussels, 3 & 4 February 2018
   + Submit papers: **deadline this Monday: Dec 4**
   + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM18 
   + Submitted ?
   + Michael M – calc threading
   + Heiko - Proposal for better font handling in LibreOffice
   + Xisco – LibreOffice QA - One Year Overview.
   + Talks ?
   + Caolan – fuzzing talk ?
   + Kendy – Online dialog tunneling (?)
   + Miklos – ePUB talk (?)
   + Samuel – don’t know.
   + Christian – a dashboard talk.
   + Olivier – Converging documentation
   + Stephan – giving thought to topic.
   + Michael S – still planning.
   + mkara - Customization 
   + more most welcome ...

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help online
   + remarks on makefiles by D. Tardon
   + some progress with shinnok
   + patch for better UI (G. Chiquinni)
+ Getting start book:
   + progressing towards 6.0, features already set.

* Testing Jitsi for ESC calls (Michael)
   + https://meet.jit.si/TDFESC ?
   + BoD & design people using it for meetings
   + Staff meeting going well with 8-9 people (Xisco)
   + audio is better without cameras (Olivier)
   + would this be ok for phone people ?
   + Stephan, Eike, Sophie, ...
   => try it next time.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 366(366) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months   
 added  6(0)  18(2)  46(-1) 115(-3)  
 commented 35(-30)   182(-46)   620(-12)   2313(-109)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   19(0)   
  resolved  5(0)  19(-3) 56(2)  245(2)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 66 changes in 1 month, and 802 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1095 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 54 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 52 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 40 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 28 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Christian, Miklos, Heiko, Sophie, Kendy, Stephan, Mike S,
  Xisco, Samuel, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask Norbert wrt. Bisect repos for Mac (Michael)
[ same tooling & commands as on Linux, Windows
+ opened a redmine ticket (Xisco)
+ 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2412#change-13809
+ discussing locally or in a data-center ]
+ mail devs asking if they’d like to be certified (Stephan)
+ script a ‘make check’ clang-format option (Miklos)
[ thanks to Markus for helping & deploying LODE changes ]
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
[ dropped ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ abandoned for now ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ back from vacation
+ 6.0 Beta 1 update & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ this week will branch for 6.0
   + asked to wait for some fixes.
   + one pending from Samuel this evening
   + splash screen bits too ? (Heiko)
   + like to have it in the Beta.
   + HTML help won’t be ready for B1
   + GPG bits are submitted, but need gcc/cygwin compiler to build.
   + is it a new compile dependency ? (Michael)
   + tried hard not to rely on it (Cloph)
   + think a permanent requirement
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ will do the make integration (Cloph)
 have scripts that work (Olivier) ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Samuel)
   [ is now in, fixes coming ... ]
   + Calc threading bits (Michael)
   [ merged, fixes coming ... ]
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   [ unlikely to make it – needs more design work ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   [ mkara submitted a new patch, it was accepted
 missing piece is macros – still working on it.
 Styles are working, but macros are missing. ]
   + 5.4.4 RC1: week 48 (of Nov 27th)
+ next week.
   + Android
+ patches to use NDK16 and unified headers this introduces
+ font rendering issue still a problem.
   + Online
+ branch and beta source archive coming.

* FOSDEM / Brussels, 3 & 4 February 2018
   + Papers deadline Dec 4
   + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM18 
   + Coming:
   + Caolan – fuzzing talk ?
   + Heiko - ?
   + Kendy – Online dialog tunneling (?)
   + Mike S – planning to interview people, bringing the camera
   + Miklos – ePUB talk (?)
   + Samuel – don’t know.
   + Xisco – talk to pentabarf quietly.
   + Christian – a dashboard talk.
   + Olivier – Converging documentation
   + Stephan – giving thought to topic.
   + Michael S – still planning.
   + Michael M – calc threading
   + more most welcome ...

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + More work on integration of new help into build
   + (gbuild makefiles not easy to hack !)
   + lots of people coming to help: cloph, dtardon, shinnok
   + talk and action with Mike Saunders to set a prototype XHP editor
   + Getting Started guide 6.0
   + Last meeting was adjourned due to connectivity issues. Resume next 
Monday.
   + awaiting latest 6.0 features to write about.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
261(261) (topicUI) bugs open, 369(369) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(2) 17(-3) 46(-1) 118(0)  
 commented 62(23)   225(-47)   629(-2)2410(-9) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   4(-1)  19(-1) 
  resolved  6(4) 22(1)  54(2)  244(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 102 changes in 1 month, and 825 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 82 changes in 1 month, and 1125 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 68 changes in 1 month, and 402 changes in 
1 y
  Zolnai, Tamás made 60 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 32 changes in 1 month, and 429 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 31 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 20 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 19 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Heiko, Stephan, Christian, Michael M,
  Sophie, Michael S, Caolán, Mike Saunders, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Miklos, Eike, Shinnok

* Completed Action Items:
+ ship the horror win / VC runtime DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
[ patch appears to work, but we already have them in the installer
  if you do an admin-install they are already installed.
  we ship them twice – once as LibreOffice, but once as a run-time 
module
  not entirely elegant.
  for 5.4 – merge it as-is, for 6.0 do something clever.
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86@62-TDF/tdf_108580/

]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ working actively on this (Olivier)
  expect to have a solution quite fast.
  WIP patch pushed to gerrit for core/ (Kendy)
  checks if HTML help is installed or not,
  will add opening of pages later
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/43963/ 
]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run dev certification script (Kendy/Thorsten)
[ have one name without running the script ]
+ provide / check web-page on dev certification process (Kendy)
[ poke Italo to find out what to check (Kendy) ]
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.3 RC2
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4-3 
  10 patches waiting
+ plan to tag this evening
+ please help review things.
+ 5.3.7 RC2 released as final today
  Resolves: tdf#111428 implement CellStoreEvent::swap() in 
ScColumn::SwapCol()
  possible ugly bug – 5.3.8 ?
+ Eike found a nasty bug, is it enough to do a 5.3.8
+ can lead to non-re-calculated values; would be nice to fix in 5.3
+ do we need a new release ? (Michael)
+ fixed in released 5.4.3 bits
+ merge it to the -5-3 branch in case of new release ?
+ quite a specific scenario (Eike)
   + would like to get it out if we can.
+ fine to encourage people to use 5.4 (Cloph)
   + move people to 5.4 a bit earlier too perhaps.
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ 6.0 feature freeze: week 47 (Nov 20th)
+ late features
+ HTML help pieces (Kendy)
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   + can’t build on baseline anyway (Michael S)
   + bundling GPG-4-Win – a 25Mb package for GPG
 encrypt/sign for Win? (Thorsten)
   + pointer for an extra download ?
   + License ? (Michael)
   + mix of GPL/LGPL (Thorsten)
   + want access to encryption reasonably easily
   + maintenance / security updates etc. an issue.
   + 10% increase – for perhaps minority benefit.
AI:+ mail the list (Thorsten)
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
+ Updating service – expected to miss 6.0 (Cloph)
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Broke large script for new help into smaller pieces
+ aim to make easy for build and packaging integration
+ looking into how to hack a makefile
+ https://goo.gl/A8dGVf
+ resuming book editing with doc community for 6.0
+ cover of the book – is under discussion.
+ looking at XML editor for help + workflow (Mike S)
+ a bunch of technical things to investigate here.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 395(395) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-7) 20(-3)43(-1) 115(-2) 
 commented 45(-32)   230(17)   565(17)2368(-14)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  6(0)   21(-1) 
  resolved  6(-1) 23(4) 55(-6) 238(-20)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 134 changes in 1 month, and 792 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 113 changes in 1 month, and 1203 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 57 changes in 1 month, and 475 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 40 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year

[libreoffice-projects] ESC / Rome discussion ...

[Michael Meeks]

Rather free-form, and not entirely serious:

Miklos‘ (Heretical) style plan
Encouraging style consistency – with tooling.
Re-formatting the whole code-base is rather controversial
Compromise: build a black-list of all existing code, for new code 
enforce existing style
Do we want that ?
If so – use clang-format – seems to be most mature project for 
this.
LLVM, Chromium using this
a new dependency for a developer
life of windows/mac devs should be easy.
Provide statically linked windows / mac here.
Chrome already does this.

What should be the actual config ?
3 years ago – Caolan sent a clang-format config, see 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-August/062802.html
close-enough to the binary doc-filter.
some git-hook to enforce this for non-black-listed files.
Bit of perl hacking for the git commit hook needed.
Good to get input from the wider community first.

If you say – existing code is allowed to keep its diversity (Bjoern)
only new code in specific style.
Derive from class that is pre-existing.
Criteria would be per-file (Stephan)
style is mostly white-space (Miklos)

Lets try to avoid lots of new file splitting (Michael)

If someone does a very large change in a file anyway (Kendy)
and if not touched very often, no back-port pain
re-formatting could be possible
if done for lots of files → ESC.
Cosmetic renaming in writer just before branch (Miklos)

Last 3 months – 150 new files (Miklos)
A good test-bed.

New vs. Renamed files (Stephan)
when we get to the point that we can‘t see it is moved.
When move a file – do cleans as separate commit.
Important it is an easy-workflow
Can you add a demo for this ?

Requirements – enforcing script (Miklos)
print a diff – and auto-fix your code so doesn‘t have to be 
manual
Chromium does this automatically … a pre-gerrit hook.
Can do something similar for pre-gerrit.

Would you have a website to see what it should be ? (Cloph)
not planned (Miklos)
some website with clang-format options.

Style bits doesn‘t break stuff on master (Bjoern)
If it is wrong, doesn‘t break someone from working on master.
Is it better to start with a weekly that fixes up the style in 
new commits
Prefer a single commit (Miklos)

Like an option of a different clang config per sub-dir (Michael)
The benefits should out-weigh the ideas of what code should 
look like (Stephan)

Chromium – clang-format gets a number of fixes (Stephan)
using clang-trunk / your version from your distro
if they have different ideas: turns into an edit-war.
Is it a real issue for Chromium ?
Clang-format developers guarentee some back-compat
What does Chromium do for this ?
1 layout-change; sort include in the same block 
alphabetically
system-headers previously, others afterwards eg.
Small enough to live with it.

Chromium – has a static binary provided even for Linux → same 
everywhere.

Do we want to re-order headers ? (Kendy)
can break the build – in a new file ? …
if this happens – can fix the code – headers self-contained 
(Miklos)
just an example of behavior change.
Currently proposed config doesn’t sort includes (Miklos)

Should Miklos come up with a prototype ?
Yes.

Image format / separate Alpha (Caolan)
Dual bitmaps – normal content & doesn’t map very well
Transparency is different to cairo, Mac, and GL.
0 is complete transparency, 255 means transparent (VCL)
we re-write all our alpha as we use it.
Would be nice to have ‘normal’ RGBA bits.
Would kill the old 16bit horrors in the X11/VCL backend
drop old / non-24bit X – and re-use gtk3 / cairo backend for 
everything.
Drop the generic backend.
Useful for bisection (?)
If we’re 24bit – can remove the transparency.
Keep an eye out for the meta-files.
Push it out the file-formats.
Should give more acceleration on 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ lots of people at the Rome conference.

* What is the ESC (Caolan)
+ Engineering Steering Commitee
+ avoiding potential conflicts.
+ representation from most developing communities
 + docs, translation, releng, etc.
+ mostly people are in the ESC anyway.
+ all calls are public, and recorded, can listen in & find out …

* Completed Action Items:
+ bisect and analyze bug#112558
+ Bisected
+ Only in Calc
  + affects metric compatible fonts primarily C*
  + brought to ESC because Caolan fixed previous issue (Xisco)
  + priority is normal, but lets not focus on it now.
  + everyone happy with line-spacing in writer ? (Caolan)
  + yes – and elsewhere in UI etc. (Xisco)
+ add access to Mathias Freund(Kendy)
  + send welcome mail (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads (Cloph)
+ ship the horror win / VC runtime DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this, hope to have it done today ]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ still working on this ]
   + it will be python (olivier)
+ switch default to x86_64 / Windows for testing & pre-releases of 6.0 
(Cloph)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.2 RC2 status
+ released as final last week.
+ prolly first version which has flat-hub builds (Stephan)
   + they do the builds for us …
   + Stephan does builds of ‘fresh’, but they will do ‘still’
   + prolly continue doing ‘fresh’ builds.
   + Endless – want to use this …
   + they appear to have the B/W to do the builds.
   + building for ARM32 & ARM64 too – plus Intel 32 & 64.
+ 5.3.7 RC2 - 1 week after conference.
+ 5.4.3 RC1 next week
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ next week
+ 6.0.1 will be made sensible ...
+ 6 week gap from 6.0.0 to 6.0.1 ?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0
+ ideal to have 3-4 week after release instead;
=> adjust to 3 weeks; Christian to do something sensible.
+ 6.0.1 rc1 week 6
  to avoid scheduling conflicts move 5.4.5 one week back
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ some patches coming to the help content
+ continuing building books; intend to release a companion to 6.0
+ a static guide; on time there.
   + what should the cover look like.

* Heiko missing.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 6 import failures, 0 export failures
+ mostly RTF documents, results for this week not in yet.
+ hope down to zero.
+ 7 coverity issues
+ only 3 outstanding Java issues of potential leaks.
+ sol’n – is to use Java APIs that don’t exist in our Java
+ do we care about our Java baseline ? → ignore them.
+ down to close to zero again.
+ Julien N doing great stuff on fixing these.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 34 fuzzers active now
+ chewing away at the XML filters
+ Google fixed the log issues.
+ starting to see issues hidden by older problems.
+ OOM when hit 2Gb; so seeing new layers of badness now.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/?days=128
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 1527 (last 7 days)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.1.2
+ 3168 (last 7 days)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.2.2
  + 598 (last 7 days )
+ numbers falling for 5.3.x
+ NEW to 5.4.2.2 
http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/ScEditEngineDefaulter::SetDefaultItem(SfxPoolItem%20const%20&)
+ Xisco will look at reproducing it.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
+ new plan from Bjoern:
   + 
https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/hackfests-the-next-generation/
 + trying to get these going
 + had a meeting; minutes posted to board-discuss
 + need to work through ‘interesting’ easy-hacks to find a topic.
 + want two-day-long not-so-easy hacks.
+ Hamburg – 1st new-style hackfest
 + 9th-10th December possible, if it fits.
 + just after Beta2
 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG (Eike)
+ next after FOSDEM
+ Germany / France / Italy – considered for spring
 + love to have more offers fro further afield (Michael)
+ LibreOffice Conference
 + hacknight on Thu evening (Sophie)
  + Scout Center 
 + use the occasion to ask devs about NeedDevAdvice bugs (Xisco)
  + try to get the UNCONFIRMED stats down etc.

* mentoring/easyhack 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Seemingly I forgot to post these last Thursday: apologies !

* Present:
+ Thorsten, Miklos, Kendy, Caolan, Olivier, Shinnok, Xisco, Michael M,
  Stephan, Eike, Jan-Marek, Sophie, Heiko, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ submitted an ESC / architecture discussion talk (Michael)
+ send a nice mail explaining cleanup commit issues (Michael)
+ simplify & update dev-central build details & link to wiki (Shinnok)
 [ found the repo, looked at the code – could simplify it and 
   have pointers to the wiki – doing it as lower prio. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
 [ need to re-compile to find the errors and/or transcribe the text.
   How many tinderboxes on Mac ?
 + three – should have configure line there (Thorsten)
 + both Jenkins and non-Jenkins builders look different (Michael) ]
+ font issues
 [ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-ESC-call-2017-08-17-tt4220768.html#a4221038
 + have a deeper look / hunt for solutions (Xisco)
+ See below
 + dialog / cropping → perhaps have a look ? (Caolan)
+ 
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0c8b749e602b6743857a9bc4efb24b6183690311
+ landed in master: looks like it fixes -lots- of things:
+ gone into all version (Caolan)
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107249
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108710
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108891
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106111
+ Comparisons before and after:
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136090
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136091
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136061
+ better ceil() than round() to avoid cropping by all means (Jay)
 + we want it to work as the original code did (Caolan)
 + http://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136092
 + still not perfect 136092 – attachment, a difference (Heiko)
   + smaller line-spacing vs. 5.1
   + best to get a new bug – with the file (Xisco)
   + pictures less useful ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ this week – nothing.
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled
+ 5.4.2 RC1 – branch next Tuesday ...
+ Online
+ Android
 + fixed x86 platform / NSS building & will push patch
 + focus on getting the viewer into shape.
+ will split off the 5.4 project in pootle this weekend
 + and move to actual master strings.
+ do we have a conference gap in the schedule ? (Michael)
 + move it if there is a concern ?

* Documentation (Olivier)
 * Implemented L10n in UI for helponline.libreoffice.org
 + and browser detect language
 + built in https://helponline.libreoffice.org/6.0/
 + backporting to 5.4 and 5.3
 * Entering in revision phase for Getting started Guide 6.0,
 + Now waiting for 6.0 new features
+ Please fill the wiki page with the new features

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 408(408) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 19(2) 32(-1) 133(-8) 
 commented 40(4)180(14)   475(-17)   2952(-72)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 4(-1)  43(-1) 
  resolved  5(0) 22(-3)68(-2) 285(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 124 changes in 1 month, and 1588 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 460 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 45 changes in 1 month, and 1428 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 38 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 
1 y
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 562 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 18 changes in 1 month, and 354 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 52 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 13 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 12 changes in 1 month, and 470 changes in 
1 y
+ Mascot update
   + more triage work requested
+ OS survey
   + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

hanged that so they are actually 
deleted
   + other parts of the code expect them not to be deleted.
   + 2 different undo classes crash in this case.
   + unfortunately, not had enough time to look at it.
   + alternative – just revert that commit.

  + Fixed:

  + CRASH: LibreOffice crashes while clicking on Show Signatures button 
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108852
+ thanks to Bubli.

* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
  +124  +7 (-72) overall)
  many thanks to the top bug squashers:
   Xisco Faulí 9
   V Stuart Foote  7
   Samuel Mehrbrodt6
   Buovjaga5
   Timur   4
   Alex Thurgood   4
   Justin L3
   Mike Kaganski   3
   Adolfo Jayme2
   Thomas Lendo2
   Julien Nabet2
   Michael Meeks   2
   Dennis Francis  1
   Szymon Kłos 1
   Chris Sherlock  1

+ top 10 bugs reporters:
   krishna [:kr1shna]  18
   Xisco Faulí 11
   Telesto 7
   Thomas Lendo4
   Ben 3
   Timur   3
   Mike Kaganski   3
   Samuel Mehrbrodt3
   Marco A.G.Pinto 2
   Justin L2
   Tamás Zolnai2
   Kenneth Hanson  2
   Aron Budea  2
   bureautiquelibre1
   Jean-Francois Nifenecker 1

+ top 10 bugs fixers:
   krishna [:kr1shna]  18
   Xisco Faulí 11
   Telesto 7
   Thomas Lendo4
   Ben 3
   Timur   3
   Mike Kaganski   3
   Samuel Mehrbrodt3
   Marco A.G.Pinto 2
   Justin L2
   Tamás Zolnai2
   Kenneth Hanson  2
   Aron Budea  2
   bureautiquelibre1
   Jean-Francois Nifenecker 1


* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
   + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
 5.3 : 4/43 - 9 %  (-2)
 5.2 : 2/37 - 5 %  (+0)
 5.1 : 1/34 - 2 %  (+0)
 5.0 : 2/60 - 3 %  (+0)
 4.4 : 4/76 - 5 %  (+0)
 4.3 : 6/73 - 8 %  (+0)
 4.2 : 6/134 -4 %  (+0)
 4.1 : 4/82 - 4 %  (+0)
 4.0 : 5/82 - 6 %  (+2)
 old : 28/256 -   10 %  (+0)


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   + 385/1485 376/1471 368/1458 372/1448 383/1441 386/1435 385/1425 

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco  13
Budea, Áron 1
Justin L1
 

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   + 475/2071 466/2056 457/2042 463/2032 470/2018 473/2008 470/1994 

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco  14
Budea, Áron 1
Justin L1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 860(+12) bugs open of 6140(+21) total 13(-1) high prio.

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco  14
Buovjaga3
Alex Thurgood   2
Philips, Yousuf 1
Justin L1
Telesto 1
zahra   1
robert  1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 LibreOffice   - 4(+1)
 Writer- 3(+0)
 Calc  - 2(-1)
 Impress   - 2(+0)
 graphics stack - 1(+0)
 Extensions- 1(+0)
 Base  - 0(-1)

   by OS:
 Mac OS X  - 4(-1)
 Windows   - 1(+0)
 All   - 8(+0)
 Linux - 0(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
 Writer: other- 141(+4)
 Calc - 138(+0)
 Impress  - 80(+0)
 Writer: docx filter  - 73(+1)
 LibreOffice  - 68(+2)
 UI   - 47(+0)
 Writer: doc filter   - 43(-1)
 graphics stack   - 40(+0)
 Draw - 35(+0)
 Writer: perf - 33(+0)
 Base - 32(+0)
 Writer: other filter - 31(+7)
 Borders  - 30(+0)
 Chart- 23(+0)
 filters and storage  - 22(+0)
 Crashes  - 18(-2)
 Printing and PDF export  - 17(+0)
 BASIC- 13(+0)
 Extensions   - 4(+0)
 Installation - 3(+0)
 framework- 2(-1)
 Linguistic   - 2(+0)

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[Michael Meeks]

 top bug squashers:
   QA Administrators   106
   Xisco Faulí 15
   Buovjaga13
   Thomas Lendo8
   Yousuf Philips (jay)7
   Miklos Vajna4
   Caolán McNamara 4
   Pranav Kant 3
   Julien Nabet3
   Papamatti   3
   Aron Budea  3
   Ramon Plana 2
   eisa01  2
   Terrence Enger  2
   Gülşah Köse 2

+ top 10 bugs reporters:
   Yousuf Philips (jay)11
   Telesto 11
   Kevin   8
   Thomas Lendo6
   Aron Budea  5
   Bernd Brinker   2
   JR  2
   Olivier Hallot  2
   Volga   2
   David Fritzsch_LibreOffice 2
   Rodrigo Zimmermann  2
   marcus.knappert 2
   Michael Meeks   2
   christian.rufener   1
   Kevin Suo   1

+ top 10 bugs fixers:
   Yousuf Philips (jay)11
   Telesto 11
   Kevin   8
   Thomas Lendo6
   Aron Budea  5
   Bernd Brinker   2
   JR  2
   Olivier Hallot  2
   Volga   2
   David Fritzsch_LibreOffice 2
   Rodrigo Zimmermann  2
   marcus.knappert 2
   Michael Meeks   2
   christian.rufener   1
   Kevin Suo   1


* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
   + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
 5.3 : 4/42 - 9 %  (-5)
 5.2 : 3/36 - 8 %  (-3)
 5.1 : 1/34 - 2 %  (+0)
 5.0 : 2/60 - 3 %  (+0)
 4.4 : 4/76 - 5 %  (-1)
 4.3 : 5/72 - 6 %  (+0)
 4.2 : 6/134 -4 %  (+0)
 4.1 : 5/82 - 6 %  (+0)
 4.0 : 4/81 - 4 %  (+0)
 old : 28/256 -   10 %  (+0)


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   + 386/1435 385/1425 384/1410 377/1395 371/1380 374/1374 373/1366 

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco   5
Raal3
Budea, Áron 2
 

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   + 473/2008 470/1994 472/1980 466/1964 453/1941 455/1933 453/1921 

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco   8
Raal3
Budea, Áron 3


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 831(+4) bugs open of 6030(+21) total 15(+0) high prio.

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco  11
Buovjaga5
Philips, Yousuf 2
Nabet, Julien   1
Telesto 1
Budea, Áron 1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 Writer- 4(+0)
 LibreOffice   - 3(+0)
 Calc  - 2(+1)
 Base  - 2(+0)
 Impress   - 2(-1)
 graphics stack - 1(+0)
 Extensions- 1(+0)

   by OS:
 Mac OS X  - 5(+0)
 Windows   - 1(-2)
 Linux - 1(-1)
 All   - 8(+3)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
 Writer: other- 139(+3)
 Calc - 134(+7)
 Impress  - 78(-2)
 Writer: docx filter  - 70(-2)
 LibreOffice  - 64(+0)
 UI   - 49(+0)
 Writer: doc filter   - 41(-1)
 graphics stack   - 40(+1)
 Draw - 32(+0)
 Base - 32(+0)
 Borders  - 31(+0)
 filters and storage  - 24(+1)
 Writer: other filter - 24(+0)
 Writer: perf - 23(+0)
 Crashes  - 23(+1)
 Chart- 22(+0)
 Printing and PDF export  - 18(+1)
 BASIC- 13(+0)
 Extensions   - 5(+0)
 framework- 3(+0)
 Installation - 2(+0)
 Linguistic   - 1(+0)

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Christian, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M,
  Sophie, Stephan, Miklos, Bjoern, Bubli, Eike, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ dig out online E-mail from Andras & put on-line (Cloph)
   [ re-built the package to mend it (Timar) ]
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ Translations are done; one thing left the xmllang default attribute 
change ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 Beta 1 May 16th
  + tagged and up-loaded the beta build to early testing.
  + late features
+ Windows support for gpg sign/encrypt (Thorsten)
   + merged & reverted – with some issues in Jenkins.
+ 5.4.0 Beta 2 – June 6th
  + no additional reviews necessary on the branch, can push yourself until 
June 20th
+ 5.3.4 RC1 – after next week – May 30th
  + looking forward to seeing the crash / gdi fixes (Michael)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online
  + Andras is preparing the branch 
+ problems with replication to freedesktop
  + guillhelm looking at gerrit – leaking file-descriptors ? 

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ lots of encouraging contributions this week.
+ Patches, patches patches in helpcontent (tdf#84675)
+ fixes from translators (HC)
+ Nice HC contributions by Gabor Kelemen, Laurent Balland-Poirier, Cloph

* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 465(465) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 15(3) 37(4)  465(-2) 
 commented 60(20)   209(44)   546(11)3517(-7) 
   removed  0(0)  3(0)  7(0)   41(-1) 
  resolved  2(0) 11(-1)49(-29)230(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 198 changes in 1 month, and 1371 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 2013 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 48 changes in 1 month, and 383 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 653 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 25 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Iversen, Jan made 18 changes in 1 month, and 335 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 13 changes in 1 month, and 412 changes in 
1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  LibreTraining made 12 changes in 1 month, and 51 changes in 1 year

+ vacation is impossible
+ returning had – 1000 mails/w ;-)
+ heated discussion about image compression, when, how, what tdf#34133
   + made a proposal on the workflow; pro. user feedback
   + if people want to know how these are compressed – poke the ticket.
   + auto-compressing images etc.
+ planning survey on default page margins – 2cm currently
   + what default do people want ?
+ desire to have a commmon goal / strategy / headline for (major) releases
  in the design team, e.g. bugfixing, notebookbar, dialogs...
   + “we all work on XYZ topic”
  + doomed as an approach, unless it’s just marketing (Michael)
 + like post-rationalization eg. MUFFIN.
 + agreed (Bjoern)
 + without power to commit resources, not wise to promise

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
   + need to spend some time on crash testing to find these 2.
+ 49 coverity issues (down)
+ Google / ossfuzz: unchanged no fuzzers active now, ww6 added, ww8 
smoketesting
   + fixed a local crasher in ww8 – to add to queue in next few days.
   + PPT has just one version, looking good. Excel pending.
   + docx, and ODF formats pending.
   + coming to the end here (hopefully)
+ results depend on the input ? (Xisco)
   + they find their own input (Caolan)
  + using minimal set of documents – that exercises most of LibreOffice
  + using the corpus minimiser from AFL – to get smallest set that 
maximises
that space.
  + http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/corpus/

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Expectation match on Presentations etc.
 + no idea wrt. Presentations (Eike)
AI:  + ask Osvaldo for an agenda (Eike)
 + Perugia University
 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Perugia2017
+ Eike, Miklos, Cloph signed up.
+ Bjoern can’t come sadly.
+ Berlin meeting (Bubli)
+ Hamburg meeting exploded so to Berlin.
+ German community event
+ Weekend of June 23 → 25 – Friday → Sun.
+ Open Tech 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Eike, Xisco, Olivier, Sophie, Heiko, Thorsten, Christian, 
Michael M,
  Kendy, Andras, Caolan, David, Michael S, Miklos, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items:
+ docs: build proposal for keywords vs. components (Xisco, Heiko, Olivier)
   [ discussed in the last QA meeting – and Olivier prefers the component 
(Xisco)
 prefers to use a sub-component, Heiko can live with that ].
+ QA minutes → 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-QA-Meeting-Minutes-2017-04-25-tc4213251.html
+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
   [ removal of API got done in the meantime – we’ll cope later if problems.
 Would be interesting to know if it works beforehand (Stephan) ]
+ release note drop of OSX 10.8 support re: thread-safe statics (Michael S)
   [ added to the 5.4 release notes; and no 5.5 release notes yet ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ poke Jay to get him setup on ‘Online’ – TDF LDAP etc. (Kendy)
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ waiting for another set of updates around templates for help.
 didn’t want to update before pulling translations for 5.1
 UI templates are dealt with and up-to-date / done.
 Just help remaining ].
+ investigate signing issues during make / check around files (Cloph)
   [ no insight 5.2.7 RC2 had the same issues ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.7 RC2
  + tagged, need to up-load windows builds; rest already on the dev 
download server.
  + manual running of make checks works with reduced parallelism just fine.
  + the last of the 5.2.x line planned.
+ 5.4.0 Alpha 1 April 25th – status
  + due later today if tinderboxen are green.
+ 5.3.3 RC2 tagging next week.
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + no news.
+ online – 5.3.3 RC2
  + tagging due next week.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Patches on help contents from translators
  + fixing some strings found by the translators
+ New help pages to come from community (convert odt->xhp)
+ Some activity with local communities on doc. translation

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 462(462) (needsUXEval) for evaluation by 
the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(1) 10(1) 31(0)  486(0)  
 commented 69(35)   155(36)   572(36)3580(47) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(4)   41(3)  
  resolved  6(2) 23(0) 84(1)  229(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 127 changes in 1 month, and 1291 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 62 changes in 1 month, and 2282 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 679 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 25 changes in 1 month, and 94 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 22 changes in 1 month, and 368 changes in 1 year
  LibreTraining made 18 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 13 changes in 1 month, and 402 changes in 
1 year
  Pinto, Marco A.G. made 12 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 10 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 
1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year

   + Working on Notebookbar variants
   + improving impl. and docs around it
   + discussed auto compression of images on insert today
   + discussed workflow for this.
   + hot topic on bugzilla: comment style tdf#103064
   + hot topic today: how comments are formatted,
   + people would like a dedicated paragraph style
   + plan to run survey about table styles soon.
   + new Telegram group “LibreOffice Design EN”: 
https://t.me/joinchat/AAx1jkAG95bMPMKh8Q

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 0 import failure, 4 export failures
   + 3 weeks at 0/0 – now have 4 export failures.
   + hope it’s new asserts picking things up.
+ 153 coverity issues – stable/un-changed.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 27 fuzzers active now
   + auto-filing and mgmt of CVEs (!?)
   + currently don’t know where these come from
  + not RedHat, not Google, someone saw & decided to file.
  + two were temporary issues: during testing process
 + made no sense to file CVEs.
  + two already fixed in all of the releases.
   + chasing the filer …
  + doesn’t make sense for transient errors in un-released git.
   + servers have more disk space & are building again.
  + trickle of stuff coming through.

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Munich OpenData/OpenGovernment BarCamp next weekend (Thorsten)
  + https://www.meetup.com/code-for-muenchen/events/237339232/ 
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ event 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Norbert, Sophie, Christian, Michael S, Miklos, Bubli, Michael M,
   Jmux, Stephan, Caolan, Thorsten, Bjoern, Kendy, Xisco, Heiko, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
[ voluntered by Stephan – due end of month.
  Should we have a museum for such things on TDF infra ? (Michael) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.3.2 RC1
+ now built – had a nasty Java issue with architecture confusion:
win64 and win32 java on the same machine
+ reverted the patch for RC1
+ fixed this now (Michael S)
+ turns out #ifdef WIN32 and #ifdef WIN64 are both defined at
  the same time in some fun way.
+ binaries are up-loaded for all but win64 to the server.
+ had a Mac signing issue (Norbert)
+ had a patch for that, would welcome review.
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/35542
+ ignores double signing warning.
+ 5.3.2 RC2
+ due next week.
+ 5.2.7 RC1
 + due April 11th - for the last 5.2 release
+ Android & iOS Remote
 + will promote the alpha channel → release today/tomorrow.
+ online (Michael)
 + various fixes going into 5-3.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ continuing with the process as before.
+ waiting for pootle enhancements.
+ working on calc guides, and waiting on content from newcomers.

* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 474(474) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
added  3(1)  9(-5) 33(-5) 494(-1) 
commented 53(25)   183(-4)655(-14)   3597(-17)
  removed  0(0)  2(-1)  9(0)   39(0)  
 resolved  5(4) 19(-27)94(0)  211(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 112 changes in 1 month, and 2217 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 46 changes in 1 month, and 676 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 33 changes in 1 month, and 367 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 30 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 26 changes in 1 month, and 391 changes in 1 
year
 Kainz, Andreas made 23 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
 LibreTraining made 23 changes in 1 month, and 28 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 11 changes in 1 month, and 1290 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
 Aprax made 9 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
+ discussed Nantes data
+ std. color palette survey almost finished
+ a proposal to move away from system-theme compliant LibreOffice
+ moving to a default style and branding unique on each system
+ suspect controversial
+ following system useful for a11y and familiarity (Michael)
+ we put lots of code & hard work into that.
+ there are code-paths already to hack-on here (Kendy)
+ if you disable native theming: looks like Win95
+ option already exists there to improve this.
+ can easily see that with the “gen” backend on Linux (Jmux)
+ will fwd. Ticket to the ML to start a discussion (Heiko)
+ been at the open-source design group meeting
+ interest in the next-gen branding task.

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 18 import failure, 1 export failures
+ fallout from some work – expected fixed in next build
+ 160 coverity issues
+ up-loads to coverity failing to transfer at the moment
+ Google / ossfuzz: 24 fuzzers active now
+ no new fuzzers, PPT one still generating interest.
+ will try to expand it to UI testing

* Lot of irritating missing parentheses (tdf#106529) (Bubli)
+ tdf#80731: missing closing parenthesis in Basic code treated as error
  since 5.4, 5.3 cherry-pick (silently ignored previously,
  inherited from OOo)
+ change now reverted for 5.3.3
+ extensions and macros fail, some extensions authors have been
  notified and fixed their code already
+ if installed system-wide i.e. macro is read-only, no way for the
  user to modify the code and recover
+ to revert (on master) or not to revert, that is the question.
+ revert if it breaks old documents (Miklos)
+ agreed (Stephan, Michael)
+ would be lovely to have warnings instead (Bubli)
+ no warnings in StarBasic (Stephan)
+ would be lovely to have a Basic console with these (Michael)
+ can’t use a version in doc. due to system installed macros (Michael M)
+ version only tells you last version that wrote (Michael S)
+ not the original creator version.

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, Miklos, Michael M, Sophie, Eike, Stephan,
  Norbert, Christian, Björn, Olivier, Andras, David, bubli, Jan-Marek, 
Thorsten,
  Xisco, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ collect names of Perugia / Hackfest interested mentors in a wiki page 
(Bjoern)
  template wiki page created: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Perugia2017

* Pending Action Items:
+ org admins to invite mentors (when gsoc page bug fixed) (Thorsten)
+ look into advertising tweet for GSOC from TDF (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.6 RC2
+ announced as final today.
+ test was randomly failing (Bjoern)
+ was known; not seen it before - a regression (?)
+ mentioned in previous ESC calls - in XShape2 tests (Cloph)
+ only failed on Windows; Linux un-affected apparently.
+ prolly some dep. chain / dependency issue.
   + worked on 2nd try so ...
+ broke on i386 Ubuntu builders so can't be a dep issue (Bjoern)
   + help / test disabling appreciated (Michael)
+ 5.3.1 RC2
+ on pre-releases, and is being pushed to mirrors
+ will be announced as RC later today.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Intel build ready, ARM out of space - release soon.
+ online (Michael)
+ 5.3.2 next - patches welcome etc.

* Retrospective: bump master baseline from MSVC 2013 to 2015? (Stephan)
+ any problems ? (Michael)
+ not updated tinderbox build pieces for this branch yet (Cloph)
+ some problems updating toolchains from people. (Stephan)
+ UWINAPI.DLL - a cleanup fix to get rid of that
AI:+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use that (Thorsten)

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Published blog post on latest guide
 + Traffic on documentation website climbing steadily
 + Patch by aeimi for new help system (need more work)
 + Awaiting Pootle fix for Help 3 (as last week)
 + didn't connect with pootle devs this week (Cloph)
 + last week: had found another issue - fixing & testing.
 + not sure when this would happen.
 + content changes don't need to wait; only automated cleanups (Cloph)

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 475(475) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
added  3(1) 14(2) 37(3)  495(-1) 
commented 63(39)   224(7)739(23)3673(-22)
  removed  1(0)  3(1)  9(1)   39(1)  
 resolved  8(6) 50(4)100(3)  205(8)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 166 changes in 1 month, and 379 changes in 
1 year
 Tietze, Heiko made 142 changes in 1 month, and 2189 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 46 changes in 1 month, and 682 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 41 changes in 1 month, and 367 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
 Kainz, Andreas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
 LibreTraining made 15 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 13 changes in 1 month, and 1395 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
   + will run a survey on default table styles
  + 39 different styles, both existing and new
   + also planned is a quick poll about the default color palette
  + three options on the table; community to decide.
   + considering interactive prototyping tool with RE feature
   + would like to make clear what new functionality is needed
 to make it fully functional
+ no way to compare features introduced vs. replaced.
+ open-source tools already a problem when un-maintained 
(Michael)
 + not eager for proprietary too
   + any problem with requirement tracking ? (Heiko)
+ word 'requirement' is a bit tricky in open-source (Michael)

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 3 import failure, 1 export failures
+ cleared the docx issues.
+ one of the import failures is in the number-formatting code
+ changed recently.
+ 168 coverity issues.
  + didn't do much this week.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 22 fuzzers active now
+ picking leaks out of things to get ppt going
  + fuzzer crashes when OOM currently.
+ lots of places, temporarily duplicating memory when moving bitmaps 
around
+ fixing some of these to reduce memory use.
+ using a representative minimal set of documents for this.
  + http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/corpus/

* linking from 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Andras, Kendy, JanI, Xisco, Miklos, Michael M,
Eike, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek, Bubli, Michael S, Sweetshark

* Completed Action Items:
  + mail Norbert wrt. Aleksandar and welcome (JanI)
  + do the area layout / issue revert for 5.3 (Xisco)
  + Eventually not reverted: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-tp4205182p4205193.html
Fixed by Tomaž Vajngerl - Thanks
  + investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
[ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest/odfserver]
+ Server is up and running locally in a vm
  + revert ‘online’ toolbar / textwrap patch for 5.3 (Thorsten)
+ there, just on the branch though.

* Pending Action Items:
  + setup bibisect repository for 4.3 with Norbert (Xisco)
 + planned for FOSDEM.
  + give authorization to Xisco on jenkins in-person @ FOSDEM (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.5 release status
+ announced today
+ 5.3.0 RC3
+ will tag this later today, will be announced before FOSDEM
+ rather a short RC → we go live on Wednesday.
+ anything in the queue ?
 + curl update – with a -1 from Thorsten
 + Caolan – a couple of patches needing review.
 + round up reviews:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-3-0 
+ final release as planned
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ Jan reviewed pending patches; so release planned.
+ online (Michael)
+ need to tag & release today.
+ online/TDF/LDAP accounts etc. (Michael)
+ status ? we’d love to announce that for wider testing, l10n etc.
+ people are invited to try out the LDAP (Cloph)
+ that gives accounts on master LibreOffice Online builds instance.
+ also access to Collabora demo server etc.
+ 

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ away today +
+ More help contents corrections
+ More chapters of Getting Started 5.2 reviewed
+ Contact with Fabio Biochetti yesterday night:
+ breadcrumbs for online help ready, need support with gerrit.
+ Fabio not needing gerrit support (JanI)

* Gerrit feedback for David (Michael)
+ going to the gerrit conf. on our behalf.
+ annoying behavior – automatic lost of comments when not logged in (Miklos)
+ if reply needs re-login, comment is lost.
+ love a queue that auto-merged when CI succeeds (Michael)
+ one button migration of github pull requests ? (Bjoern)
 e.g. status of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37497
* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   253(253) (topicUI) bugs open, 470(470) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
added  6(3)  15(5) 42(7)  494(19) 
commented 37(-36)   250(30)   799(-3)3751(89) 
  removed  0(-2)  6(3)  7(-2)  39(4)  
 resolved  4(-12)37(-1)73(-35)178(4)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 167 changes in 1 month, and 2001 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 41 changes in 1 month, and 665 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 25 changes in 1 month, and 465 changes in 1 year
 Telesto made 25 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 359 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 454 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 15 changes in 1 month, and 1648 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 14 changes in 1 month, and 203 changes in 1 
year
 Kevin, Suo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
 Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 78 changes in 1 year
+ could have work for 20-30 students on GSOC (but some UI / mockup 
proposals needed).

* Enable creating backups of user profile in release builds (Bubli)
+ part of profile safe mode feature
+ 2 backups (zip archives) of user profile kept around in non-release builds
+ user profile can be restored from those backups in safe mode
+ a patch from Samuel M: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/33584/1
   + activates this in release builds. 
   + untested in practice so far, risk level unclear 
+ feature is shown in the UI ? (Michael)
   + restore from backup always inactive in 5.3 – no backups generated.
   + don’t know how big they can grow in real life.
+ users can enable this manually – but unsure if it should be for everyone.
+ drag and drop to the gallery can create big user directories (Heiko)
   + warning taking a backup can consume 1Gb for big galleries.
   + could we ask for confirmation at a high level ?
   + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Sorry for the delay.

* Present
+ Stephan, Andras, Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M,
  Sophie, Christian, Lionel, Norbert, Thorsten, Bubli, Michael S, Eike,
  Jan-Marek, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items:
+ write to Aron & Heiko to welcome to committing (Kendy)
+ poke Florian to encourage posting of Macs (Cloph/Michael)
+ have a look at certification names again (Kendy)

* Pending Action Items:
+ produce a trend / graph of last year’s work (JanI)
+ September – September numbers here 
https://conference.libreoffice.org/assets/Conference/Brno/iversen-development-mentoring.pdf
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
[ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest/odfserver
  More progress still waiting for Jos’ help ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.5 RC1 schedule acceleration ?
+ fixes for both regressions in 5.2
+ builds done, tagging finished, up-loading underway.
+ should we do an RC1 release as final ?
  + Markus’ patches in the release & sensible (Xisco)
  + concern wrt. rushing things (Thorsten)
  + does waiting one week make sense ? (Xisco)
   => test over the weekend – recide RC2 or release on Tuesday (Xisco)
+ 5.3.0 RC2 update
+ bug in RC1 not being signed; patch from Tor to fix it.
+ would be a blocker for RC2 if we can’t confirm it is fixed.
+ REMINDER: please update with your features ASAP:
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.3
+ Updated Marketing in TDF call (Sophie)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ new build in the beta channel needing promotion to production.
+ online (Michael)
AI: + remove textwrap patch for 5.3 ? (Thorsten)

* MSDN license situation (Michael)
+ no responses from Microsoft
+ MSDN costs O($1000)/year → for one person.
+ Visual Studio is now free.
+ get Development budget line-item for buying MS / Windows licenses ?
 + not enthusiastic (Norbert)
 + Happy for OS licenses - $100 for VMs (Michael)
+ all CI builds are at 2012 and working (Norbert)
+ expected that legacy MSDN licenses are perpetual anyway (Michael)
 => no urgent action required.
+ want to pin-down the use-cases, instead of “because we used this stuff 
before” (Bjoern)
=> ask for $1k for Windows licenses.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ 3 days healing food intoxication, low productivity.
+ Many help page errors fixed after translator noticed.
   + XHP + gerrit very hard/impossible to catch typos, dups, etc..
+ More help pages fixed by Gabor Kelemen (reconnecting UI with HC)
+ Some pages completely rewritten (bad english) (Olivier)
+ Investigating more developments for HC – next-gen.

* Mac development H/W (Thorsten)
+ Sophie working on getting Macs.
+ best if TDF buys them – to have invoice with TDF name on it.
+ high-res 4k screen for Caolan
+ just buy it & get a TDF on the invoice line.
=> put this in the budget: QA team high-res display too (Xisco)
* my screen is 4K (MAC) and I can test on demand. (janI)

* UX Update (Heiko)
 + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 487(487) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  4(2)  13(3)  40(-1) 506(0)  
commented 46(-29)   242(-43)   846(-69)   3707(8)  
  removed  0(-1)  1(0)   9(-4)  34(0)  
 resolved  5(-8) 30(-2) 99(-5) 160(4)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 128 changes in 1 month, and 1930 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 664 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 31 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 31 changes in 1 month, and 445 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 24 changes in 1 month, and 472 changes in 1 year
 Zolnai, Tamás made 16 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
 tommy27 made 13 changes in 1 month, and 82 changes in 1 year
 Schäfe,r Christoph made 10 changes in 1 month, and 24 changes in 1 
year
 Philips, Yousuf made 10 changes in 1 month, and 1648 changes in 1 year
 Kelemen, Gabor made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

+ talking about Breeze as default icon set on Windows
   + G+ poll reveals ~65% acceptance, but rejected as it’s not a perfect fit
   + area style dialop patch with fix size reverted because of whitespace 
and
 hi-res trouble
 + now the controls are badly aligned again

   + new issue created as MAB tdf#105259
   + Beluga: can’t be fixed before 5.3
   + asking for help with glade (Heiko)
   + even 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present: 
+ Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten
   Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian,
   Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
+ turn gcc -Og on for a bit and see how it goes (Michael S)
[ turned on; a few complaints – but no show-stopping concerns yet.
  It can happen that variables are not displayed; and optimized out,
  mostly it happens for non-live variables.
  Can see in frame 17 – some var optimized out, frame 18 can be seen 
there.
 + very hard to see boolean variables optimized out (Markus)
 + don't care wrt. a enable-debug build, but a dbgutil build 
should be the best.
  Not debugged calc code - perhaps it it is worse there (Michael S)
  + configure tinderboxes to use this - gives nice stack traces. ? 
(Michael M)
 + concern wrt. full traces currently printing variables - 
mangling that (Miklos)
 + would need a reproducible scenario.
 + can try to find it again in an hour-long debugging 
session (Markus)
  => disable when we have a concrete bug report.
+ ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
[ lots of firebird bugs appear to be being fixed - great (Michael) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ provide information for cloph on what the large Help change is (Olivier)
+ need a diff of the kind of string change, so Cloph can write a script.
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ internal conversation ongoing ]
+ move gitdm-config to gerrit (Norbert)
[ not happened yet, missing Norbert ]
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
+ improve QA Stats in the ESC minutes (Xisco)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.4.2 - next week, done by Jan
+ Venetian language: request to add.
+ made a gerrit change request; do we want to have it ?
+ already enabled on master & 5.3 - unlikely to break things.
   https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31727/
=> just merge it.
+ 5.3.0 Beta2 & branch today, libreoffice-5-3-0 branch with rc2
+ waiting for pootle to do template updates
   + must be something wrong with VM / KVM
   + can't get that going.
+ need to have a B2 for bug-hunting at the weekend.
+ Late features:
+ separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
+ still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write the 
script.
+ we need to see the impact on translators.
+ misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
+ now completed - and all fixes back-ported
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ master is green now.
+ will prepare a new build based on the branch-off tag
+ online (Michael)
+ branched for -5-3 – will create source tarballs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3
 + separating images and icons for help modules
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/
=> defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week.
+ Cloph has script templates
+ but needs examples of the changes to the UI 
files.
  + Next: Will test screenshots make enabled by bubli
   ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Screenshots )
  + 12/8 the Getting Started Guide for 5.0 is released by the Brazilians
+ 
http://documentation.libreoffice.org/pt-br/portugues/guia-do-iniciante/
+ Blog post in local blogs, PR, new documentation website ready.
  + https://pt-br.blog.documentfoundation.org/
+ Community seeking more work
  + writing a spec. for BOD.
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
 + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  2(-5) 16(-5) 61(-4) 489(-3) 
commented 14(-40)   187(-48)   926(-61)   2793(-32)
  removed  0(0)   1(0)  24(-2)  30(0)  
 resolved  6(-1) 17(1) 115(3)  133(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Heiko Tietze made 40 changes in 1 month, and 515 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
 Samuel Mehrbrodt made 13 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 12 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
 Yousuf Philips made 11 changes in 1 month, and 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Norbert, Michael M, Lionel, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Andras,
  Caolan, Bjoern JanI, Kendy, Markus, Olivier, Stephan, Sophie,
  Miklos, Thorsten, Xisco, Heiko, Michael S, Rene, David
 
 * Completed Action Items:
+ dig out tooling on license verification for JanI (Michael)
[ open action items, move gitdm-config to gerrit (jani)
  hard work, gone back in the git log and need 500 aliases ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ a friend is looking at the topic - only needed for OS' ]
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.4 RC1 status - Nov 29th
+ next week; JanI on it.
   +  actually Cloph, I am on RC2 (janI)
+ 5.3.0 Beta1 & branch
+ tagged and built; available on early-testing.
+ request for Beta2 - that changed the API etc.
+ probably there will be a Beta2
+ do we need a new Beta2 ? (Michael)
+ on the branch already for 5-3 etc.
+ build-dir != src_dir fix in gerrit (Cloph)
+ patched locally.
+ translations pulled from pootle Mon/Tue
+ please cherry-pick all fixes to -5-3 from master (and 5-2)
+ beta1 is full languages; LibreOfficeDev variant for parallel install
+ not string freeze yet, translations might change.
+ Late features:
+ misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
+ Linux/macOS part is ready, some Windows fixing ongoing.
+ ODF / XFastParser merge (Michael)
+ looking a bit late -> don't think will have time.
+ Firebird by default ? (Lionel)
+ lots of missing features & big bugs fixed recently.
+ all of the blockers that were mentioned on tracking bug fixed.
+ still not hyper-excited about it as default.
+ agreed, build issues on OS/X until recently (Norbert)
=> suggest to enable this on master for 5.4
AI: + ask Tamás Bunth (Wastack) how he feels about it (Lionel)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ tinderbox breakage, fixed
+ preparing a new build based on the branch-off tag -> app-store 
tomorrow.
+ online (Michael)
+ have a script to run before branching
+ still debugging that; expect a branch tonight.
 
* UX bits / palette licensing (Heiko/Rene)
  + is there a back-compat problem removing palettes ? (Heiko)
  + I thought not, cf. minutes passim (Michael)
  + Color palletes have been revised, Breeze added, Tango and HTML reworked
  + Libreoffice palette with branding colors should get a better naming
+ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Renaming-the-LibreOffice-colors-td4200352.html
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104053
+ Color names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors_(compact)
  + Remove palettes cmyk, web, gallery, palette and scribus (tdf#104047, gerrit 
31009)
  + Add artwork under CC-ND license (tdf#104052; palette CIE-HLC aka LibreColor)
  + currently realized as a hard-coded part in the programme
+ this was reverted by Tor (Rene)
  + if we don't accept a non-free CC-ND license - use an extension (Heiko)
  + if it is explicitly stated as ND (Rene)
  + has to be removed in Debian & other Linux distributions
  + significant risk to have it (Thorsten)
  + to ensure it doesn't get modified over time.
  + mixing lots of licenses is a pain (Bjoern)
  + encourage this guy to create an extension ? (Heiko)
  + for artwork CC0, or code general MPLv2 ideal (Kendy)
  + refused various times (Rene)
  + rational - prevent people changing the pallete & using the name 
(Norbert)
(but license wrong tools for the job)
  + how vital is this feature / palette ? (Michael)
  + palette used by experts for professional work (Heiko)
 + majority of users will never user it.
  + we like professional users (Norbert)
  + no way to put it into an extension at the moment (Stephan)
  + thought one of these exists already (Heiko)
  => can't include CC-ND things -> another solution needed.
  + rename, and provide as a file under a project license ?
  + provide as code instead; ok with this one ? (Heiko)
  + concern that it can't be manipulated by the user.
  + always will have some stuff not modifiable by user (Rene)
  + ok with the patch sol'n.
  + or find another way.
  + thanks for catching the issue (Michael)
  + Add more palettes? 
+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_palettes
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help patches by Christina Accione, Gabor Kelemen, tagezi, Olivier 
Hallot
 + ES-documentation team woke up, translating guides
 + TDF internal activities.
 + important patch from 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Stephan, Sophie, Andras, Caolan, JanI, Olivier, Michael M, Eike,
   Christian, Miklos, Robinson, Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Norbert, Michael S,
   Xisco, Bubli
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ dig out tooling on license verification for JanI (Michael)
 [ Script now controls last month gerrit patches daily against list of 
licenses
 Primary result 140 emails without license
 Checked names against Wiki Developers
 Result 42 emails, where I cannot find the licese, will email those 
(JanI )
   Can you run it for say the last 2 years ? (Michael)
 Need to have private legal@ pieces included ]
 yes just setting a different deltatime, private legal@ can be added
 without problems, if I know the email (janI)
+ get a small UX tweak code-change committed (Heiko)
   [ this was already 2016-10-06, see 
core_b15fef02c9311e0c160906769abbf96a96e56c73 (jani) ]
+ bisected keyword added to esc-commit-stats.pl (Xisco)
+ Jitsi - send some instructions out for next time (Michael)
[ not done, requires telephone bridge setup etc.
  Tried to create a Google G-suite account - failed horribly
   - costs 2x+ what was advertised, forces domain-name registration.
  We have a Jitsi server - but no phone bridge. ]
+ align release dates and issues, patch merging (Caolan, Cloph)
[ narrowed down to mid January now, no impact on us. ]
+ Ask beta-co-working for a couple of days before FOSDEM (Sophie)
[ Betacowork available on 6-7 February - after FOSDEM, but not before.
  Prefer before, but not enough to do anything (Eike).
  AI: will book later today (Sophie); Friday is too busy. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ update - an ongoing issue here. ]
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 5.1.6 - end of line: any retrospectives ?
+ announced as final today
+ too early for a retrospective yet.
+ 5.2.3 RC2 status (janI)
+ on servers right now.
+ uploaded and announced for testing today
+ messup in Slovenian / sl translation (overridden by accident)
+ need to do an RC3 just to fix this.
+ an RC3 is prolly easier to manage on the mirrors.
+ much appreciated (Sophie)
+ need to figure out what needs to be undone / reverted etc.
+ expect tag today/tomorrow.
+ 5.3.0 alpha 1
+ announced for testing - available from mirrors.
+ build issue when signing them on Windows
+ a race - signing when file are still in-use
+ had to re-run make
+ need to isolate the root cause.
+ has the onedrive keys - but they don't work anymore.
+ apparently onedrive changed the API; needs investigating.
+ 5.3.0 Beta1 & branch - Nov 21st
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ finished building Android remotes, did review of pending patches.
+ same for Android viewer, will publish to beta channel & await 
feedback.
+ looking into the F-droid thing too.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
* New contributors Dr. Geepan on Help contents
   + (NET)WORKDAYS.INTL functions
  + Contents by Dr. Geepan
  + Help page creation by Olivier
   + More to come
* Progress in new help system (with browser) by Fabio Biocchetti
   + First patch in gerrit
  + Creation of a micro xhp-page server in javascript
  + Support from Olivier and Eike
* New author for LibeOffice books, updating Getting Started (Dave Koelmeyer)
  + revised by Olivier
  + Proofread by Hazel Hussman
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Total num. of needsUXEval 470 (-2)
+ Base  1
+ Calc 35 (+1)
+ Draw 65
+ Extensions0
+ filters and storage   1
+ framework 1
+ Impress  24
+ Installation  0
+ LibreOffice 248 (-2)
+ Localization  0
+ Printing and PDF export   2 (+1)
+ UI   16
+ Writer   77
  + Silent week, organization with meta tickets ongoing

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Better-organization-of-bugs-with-meta-bugs-tp4198286.html
  + New more welcoming landing page at the wiki; next step is to update 
subsidiary sites
  + only one easy-hack with skill design currently.
  + how to get feedback ?
  + reddit - ranting; positive feedback on facebook.
  + font-management: more discussion of details.
  + Q: How to build & communicate statistics?
  + Xisco - has a nice script to parse JSON bugzilla dumps
  + can Usability re-use this script and run on VM 174 ?
  + discussed with Jan this week: no clear decision.
  + running it locally currently (Xisco)
  + what do you want to track ?
 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Jan-Marek, Kendy, Michael M., Olivier, JanI, Heiko, Eike, 
Miklos, Bjoern
  Christian, Robinson, Thorsten, Sophie, Xisco, Norbert, Armin, Michael S
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ waiting for David to up-stream it; will take a while. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ enable linux / system library checker on CI (Norbert)
[ enabled, but some heisenbug in there ]
+ simplify & cleanup broken Windows build instructions & test (JanI)
[ in progress: test building completed, missing documentation
  are we leaving the busted intructions there ? (Michael)
  + would be good to remove that stuff
  + chocolatey has been removed (Norbert)
  + fix due by end of the week (JanI) ]
+ align release dates and issues, patch merging (Caolan, Cloph)
[ waiting on AOO decision ]
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ still chasing this one ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
   + still need to get API key, rest is done
[ no build yet, but on-track for 5.3 ]
+ Ask beta-co-working for a couple of days before FOSDEM (Sophie)
 
* hangout issues (JanI)
+ tried to get more people into the hangout.
+ can make a google apps account for 2 users; than have 25 users.
+ Eur 120 user/year.
+ Jitsi ? (Heiko)
+ hangout best ATM (JanI)
+ use it for Jay in near east, more reliable (Heiko)
+ agree the way to go - can scale to 100's of users (Thorsten)
+ only display last 3-4 that spoke in a call.
 
* Release Engineering update (JanI)
+ 5.1 → 5.1.6 rc2 (jani with help from Cloph)
+ tagging on Tuesday evening.
+ scheduled 18 October
+ 5.2.3 RC1 (Cloph)
+ tagged & built, builds on pre-release server
+ pushed to mirrors, and will announce tonight.
+ 5.2.3 RC2 - due in 2 weeks.
+ 5.3.0 alpha 1 Oct 18th
+ will tag mid-week next week.
+ Nov 21st: branch-off (Cloph)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ query wrt. F-Droid maintenance ? (Stuart/Kendy)
+ FDroid version is pretty obsolete vs. play etc.
+ not sure who is maintaining that.
+ if someone has contact with F-droid people, can they clear it up ?
+ anyone can create an account there; but not been used ourselves.
+ initial release was by F-droid volunteer (Kendy)
+ but apparently now abandoned.
AI: + add it to the TDF priorities sheet (Michael)
+ different build variant without Android-wear support added for 
F-droid (Cloph)
+ hopefully it is done now (Kendy)
+ builds already made & provided as the minimal variant on download 
server
  
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/sdremote-2.3.0/minimal/
 
   → no google APIs used (and thus no android wear support)
  
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/sdremote-2.3.0/playstore/
   → the full variant, as uploaded to playstore
+ Windows Server 2016 (Cloph)
+ final version not out yet; would love to bump baseline - but not 
final yet.
+ only 100 day eval version available.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Q site unique for LibreOffice developers
 + https://ask.libreoffice.org/developers/questions/
 + please ask your dev questions there so we collect knowledge...
 + e.g. subjects on git, gerrit, C, C++, gbuild, etc...
 + lack of content on stack-overflow, good to get things here ?
 + hard to find things in the wiki, not found a good wiki search.
 + google+site-search is the solution (Thorsten)
 + concern wrt. the spread of documentation and how to update it (JanI)
 + not concerned wrt. immediate problem (Thorsten)
+ ask - good for very specific questions
 + new article on C++ extensions with LibreOffice (Bjoern)
 + promote it, or not ?
+ 
https://studiofreya.com/2016/10/11/integrating-libreoffice-into-c/
 + Finished http://documentation.libreoffice.org
 + minus page on join the team
 + need proper announcement
 + Set a development plan for HelpContent with Kendy
 + will build and publish a plan to improve Help Content soon
 + outline (Kendy)
 + keep the XHPs for now
 + cleanup the markup, and add markup as needed for other 
use-cases.
 + evolve the transformation more
 + sort out how to do translations
 + evolve it and use it instead of the wiki-help & off-line help.
 + also converting to larger book-like / documentation.
 + More HelpContent cleanup from Gabor Kelemen, Andras Timar, Eike Rathke, 
Caolán.
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
  * Total number 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Sophie, Robinson, Lionel, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Miklos, 
Noel,
  Olivier, David Tardon, Michael M, Christian, Michael S, Norbert, Armin,
  Thorsten, Bubli, Xisco
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ poke at missing CrashTest VM E-mails (Cloph)
[ modified the send-email script to work with gmail;
  should send a mail, manually triggered - but not done yet ]
+ get GSOC students to write plain-text help (GSOC mentors)
[ got feedback from a couple, thanks to mentors (Olivier) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ create mentor summit proposal (Thorsten)
[ Moggi asking his teachers, any other mentors interested in going ? ]
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process, will poke again ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
   + still need to get API key, rest is done
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2 → 5.2.1 RC2
+ now public, announce at LibO con.
+ 5.2.2 RC1 September 6th
+ next week; Jan doing that.
+ 5.1 → 5.1.6 rc1 Oct 4th
+ 5.3 → 5.3.0 alpha 1 Oct 18th
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ building a new version of the Android code, to see if it works.
+ if so push this weekend.
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ if anyone had trouble booking the Hotel Vista
+ was 'booked' and wouldn't reserve at it - but is now free.
+ some big cancellation there.
+ prepare slides, make sure you've booked travel, etc.
+ register if you didn't do so already: 
http://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/registration/
+ is there some way to check if you're registered ? (Miklos)
+ if you receive the mails from the conference@global list, then 
you are registered (Sophie)
+ please make sure to register even if you are a speaker (Cloph)
+ no auto-registration there
+ Cor - asked for a list of registrations
+ Sophie to publish a list; concerns (JanI)
registered:
* Stephan
* Sophie
* Lionel
* Heiko
* Kendy
* Jani (twice :-) one for each presentation :-)
* Miklos
* Olivier
* David
* Christian
* Michael S
* Norbert
* Armin
* Thorsten
* Bubli
* Xisco
 
not registered:
* Robinson, thought I did -> [done]
* Caolàn, oops, sure I did at some stage
* Noel (not coming)
* Michael M (will do)
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Committed new help pages on CMIS
+ needs linguistic review before translation.
+ Book "Getting Started 5.2" being updated
+ Next:
+ new pages with GSOC work (thanks to mentors and students!)
+ LibOCon
+ more GS 5.2 chapter updates
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ 1 student failed final evaluation
+ within the average & statistical variation.
+ happy; even failing students delivered some useful work after cleanup.
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ needsUXAdvice of 2016-Sep-01: Total 514 (+7), Resolved 7, Created 7
  Base  1
  Calc 14
  Draw 74
  Extensions1
  filters and storage1 (+1)
  framework 3
  Impress   9
  LibreOffice 356 (-1)
  Localization  1
  UI   14
  Writer   40 (+7)
+ Hot stuff
  * LibO as Dreamweaver/Pagemaker replacement (tdf#101772; rejected)
  + write a lot of tickets for UX advise review
  + some rejected
  + don't need another visual XML/HTML editor
  + not our primary goal
  * Cursor navigation (ctrl+up same as shift+ctrl+up; tdf#100777)
  + currently jump to the beginning of the previous paragraph.
  + flagging that those who care -> look at it (Michael)
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failure, 0 export failures
  116 (last time 1680) coverity issues
 + great direction, new ones around move/assignment in C++11
 
* Hackfests (Thorsten)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Akademy / FSFE summit - coming weekend & next-week (Thorsten)
   + plan to spend half a day over the weekend in Berlin.
   + Heiko coming on Sunday, perhaps Sat. evening too.
+ more suggestions welcome
+ Code for Hamburg (Eike)
+ Friday to Sunday hacking event
  https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1999
+ Koerberstiftung: Digital Empowerment
  http://www.kampnagel.de/de/programm/datapolitics/?datum=_datum=4756
  
http://www.koerber-stiftung.de/innovation/im-fokus-digitale-muendigkeit.html
+ Leuphana? 

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[Michael Meeks]

 Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Michael M, Kendy, Miklos, Christian, Caolán, Robinson, jan i, 
Sophie,
  Bjoern, Heiko, Olivier, Eike, Michael S
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ re-work large-scale cosmetic change page proposal (Michael M)
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LargeScaleChanges
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process, on holiday ? ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.1.5 and 5.2.0 released as final yesterday
+ 5.1.6 - in October
+ 5.2.1 RC1
+ due next week, tag Tuesday
+ RC2 2 week later
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ report wrt. performance regression in calc in 5.1.5 vs. 5.1.4 (Bjoern)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101213
+ Linux issue, perhaps Idle related ?
+ not PPA only - TDF builds too, apparently only on old distros.
   + glib related problem ? (Michael)
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ need to start weeding out weaker papers (Kendy)
+ and accepting people's papers.
AI: + Program committee to work on it (Kendy, Thorsten, Italo, Marina)
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Prague / Vienna unlikely to go direct
  (BMI has a flight from Munich, others from London).
+ https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/
+ Community-day -> no ESC, meet in the evening.
 
* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
+ Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to
  electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of
  Directors in private) and also (!) to
  board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing
  list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for
  elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their
  candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple
  paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name,
  e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and
  please announce that you will provide information on all future
  changes as soon as possible.
+ tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Added patch enhancing Classification (TSCP/BAF/BAILs) help page.
+ patch in gerrit.
+ Amend patch for Menu Help->Get Help Online.
+ infra will decide where to direct it
  → hub.libreoffice.org
+ reviewing the Calc guide vs. 4.x - needs lots of updating for 5
 
* GSoC 2016 (?)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd for final evaluation.
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
 
* Adding Breeze, Sifr, and Tango originals to LibO git / gerrit (Heiko)
+ Breeze was started by Nitro at github
   + the originals were there
   + this repo was abandoned / retired 
https://plus.google.com/+NitruxInside/posts/SoxqbwVaPjN 
   + now somewhere else. https://github.com/apachelogger/plasma-next-icons
   + do we want to store it ?
+ Sifr, Tango added later by Jay
   + improved these icon sets
   - be ideal to host them in our repo.
+ for now - only the SVG (which we don't use)
+ missing piece is ? (Michael)
   + commit access for contributors (Heiko)
+ will TDF be the maintainers or just have a copy (Cloph)
+ how well does it fit with our naming ? (Michael)
   + its LibreOffice focused anyway (Heiko)
   + so no re-naming / etc. needed
+ why not just do it in core ? (Bjoern)
   + just add the SVGs to core.git (Heiko)
+ for Elementary this is already the case (Bjoern)
=> find out who needs commit access & enable them to do it.
AI: + find out who those people are (Heiko)
+ encourage them to commit only to icon-themes/ and add SVGs.
 
* Anonymous/low reputation upvoting on ask.libreoffice (Heiko)
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101267
  + voting is not used because of the restrictive procedure (max v=11 at 7k 
views)
  + voting is just a minor additional cue to relevance, "spamming" would be 
white noise
  + get a better result if we give voting to more people ?
  + status on ask site is you need 5 karma points to up-vote (Cloph)
  + you gain 10 if your question is up-voted - so a very low bar
  + don't want spam questions to be up-voted before they use them.
  + just need to encourage people to vote (Cloph)
  => continue discussion with infra.
 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Christian, Jan I, Miklos, Armin, Caolan, David, Eike, Kendy,
  Olivier, Michael M, Heiko, Robinson, Jan-Marek, Norbert, Michael S,
  Bjoern
 
* Completed Action Items:
   + create large-scale cosmetic change page proposal (JanI)
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LargeScaleChanges 
   [ ccache not an issue (Michael)
AI: + simplify the text somewhat (Michael) ]
   + Decision needed?
+ add access for Lionel to the same Mac (Cloph)
+ talk at infra-meeting wrt. more remote Macs for devs (JanI/Norbert)
 [ no budget this year; next year maybe ].
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.1.5 RC2 status
+ been tagged & on pre-release server, announced to early-QA & QA 
mailing lists
+ will be pushed to mirrors & announced later today
+ 5.2.0 RC4 - planned as final
+ will tag late evening today.
+ will announce ~Wednesday next week
+ 4x patches waiting in gerrit - already with a review.
+ will chase on IRC.
+ Now: one review to -5-2 branch, and another two to:
+ libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Android tinderbox now back and working (Miklos)
 
* Windows XP deprecation for 5.2 story ? (Cloph)
+ goal - to have the baseline be based on Windows Server 2016, and VS 2015
+ unclear if builds created with this combination will run on WinXP
+ Thorsten had a stackoverflow comment saying it should work.
+ just giving warning that if there are big hassles with WinXP API etc.
  we may drop it for 5.3 and onwards.
+ no real reason to drop it as a platform for now.
   + just want to give the advanced warning that it may go sooner (Norbert)
+ sob stories about old / stolen WinXP (Heiko)
   + no sympathy - if running a 10 year old OS, can run old LibreOffice 
(Norbert)
   + this is a meritocracy, who does the work chooses (Norbert, et. al)
+ even if we did remove it - always room for volunteers to make their own 
builds (Bjoern)
+ but no news here: we continue as before (Michael)
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Prague / Vienna unlikely to go direct
  (BMI has a flight from Munich, others from London).
+ https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/
+ Community-day -> no ESC, meet in the evening.
 
* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
+ Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to
  electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of
  Directors in private) and also (!) to
  board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing
  list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for
  elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their
  candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple
  paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name,
  e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and
  please announce that you will provide information on all future
  changes as soon as possible.
+ tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Getting Started 5.1 under final assembly (Jean Weber)
 + Chapters "cleaned" of direct formatting - affect CAT tools (Milos Sramek)
 + Meeting with Doc' community yesterday:
+ recognising & celebrating Authors: Promote authors as we promote dev's
=> grab Mike Saunders about that.
+ Bug 96015 much appreciated: have more entries in Help menu to Doc's 
contents
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96015
   + Design team has OK'ed it.
+ Books should also be a "product" for the community as software is
   + More downloads -> more contributors to doc's
+ Some books must be translated from other languages
   + best book about Base is in German
   + get other commnuties to help in English books.
+ any thoughts on stack-exchange style pieces ? (Bjoern)
+ not brought it to the docs team yet. (Olivier)
   + approach needs to be proven.
+ will mail some more ideas.
 
* GSoC 2016 (JanI/Armin)
+ business as usual
+ Next deadline is August 23rd for final evaluation.
+ reminder - 

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[Michael Meeks]

ntoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + legend: contributors are not-yet-committers, numbers in () are +/- 
compared to last week
   + summary:
   17045(0) commits in a year of which 8366(62) were made directly, without 
use of gerrit
   294(0) people made commits in a year, 45(-12) in a month. 0(-58) people 
to be emailed
   + gerrit:   committer open  78(-1)  contributor open  43(-4)
   updated merged abandoned   updated  merged abandoned
year:   78(-1)  7207(-56)  576(-7) 43(-4)   1472(-6)   484(14)
month:  78(0)594(-81)   52(-4) 43(-3)140(-40)   32(5)
week:   51(-2)   118(-48)6(-2) 28( 1) 20(-18)   18(15)
   + easyHacks:
total 249(0) open 218(2) assigned 14(-1)
needinfo 17(0) needsDevEval 475(4) needsUXEval 150(7)
missing cleanup due to many comments 199(0)
   + top 5 contributors (based on merged patches last month):
 Zdenek Crhonek got 39 patches merged, and have a total of 97 merged 
patches
 Muhammet Kara got 16 patches merged, and have a total of 45 merged 
patches
 Winfried Donkers got 14 patches merged, and have a total of 35 merged 
patches
 Mark Page got 8 patches merged, and have a total of 20 merged patches
 Susobhan Ghosh got 7 patches merged, and have a total of 15 merged 
patches
   + new easyHacks:
 None
   + create your own by updating Keywords to eg. "easyHack, difficultyBeginner, 
skillCpp, topicCleanup"
   + please remember, a codepointer is mandatory, and typically a look from an 
experienced developer
   + create new easy hacks from these ones or remove "needsDevEval" if not 
feasible):
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=needsDevEval

   + Patches still coming in over the summer
   + Mailed 40+ old developers that have not contributed for 3 month or more,
 + again got lots of positive responses
 + apparently nearly the only foundation that pings old developers
   + Patches from Zdenek (to Calc) is piling up, would be nice to get those 
commented/merged
 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/owner:zcrhonek%2540gmail.com+status:open
 + could you help out Eike ?
 + in contact; has issues updating commits, working on that.
 + could use remote access to a Mac machine too
 + have 1x failing document - fails only on Mac
AI:  + add access to the same Mac (Cloph)
 + A common problem - needing more Macs (Michael)
 + eg. shell close issue etc.
 => should we buy some more ?
AI: + talk to Norbert at the Infra meeting wrt. this (JanI)
   + Will be in Kaufbeuren (INFRA meeting) next week.

* Commit Access
 
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
 => timeout for 6 weeks.
 
* Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
+ Norbert sadly missing.
 
* l10n (Sophie)
+ Sophie sadly missing.
 
* MSDN licenses (Caolan)
+ poke me if you need it (Michael)
 
* Can a VCL guy have a look at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27285/ ? 
(JMux)
* Do we want this for 5.2?
+ 25% less load time for documents.
+ Did look at it (Michael)
+ not a particularly obvious patch to me.
+ GdiFlush, queued Invalidates vs. Update
+ people just jam the code full of this.
+ Double buffering on Mac, Gtk3, GL
+ working fine copying the back-buffer on OS invalidate (Caolan)
+ would love to go this way for every backend: X11 (Michael)
+ would like it too (Armin)
+ can remove buffering in the drawing layer
+ would love to kill the static VirtualDevice list (Michael)
+ OpenGL may solve it ?
+ text is not ideal still; but perhaps SAL_FORCEGL=1 helps ?
+ native widget theming a problem - caching for windows mostly.
 
* QA update (Robinson)
 
+ UNCONFIRMED: 658

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/reports.cgi?product=LibreOffice=UNCONFIRMED
+ enhancements: 65
+ in ux-advise: 28
+ needAdvice at 57
 
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs
+ tdf#92516 - "x" accelerator and mouse click not exiting StartCenter
  in "File -> Exit LibreOffice" menu on Windows.
+ Continue to see dupe reports; an annoyance
+ Mail merge regressions
+ http://tdf.io/mmregressions (6 open; 6 open last meeting)
+ New patch today for tdf#98798 hopefully gets us to 5 (thanks, 
Bjoern!)

+ how does 5.2 look ? (Michael)
+ a crash that can't be reproduced
+ otherwise quality looks good.
 
* QA stats
 
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+139-95(+44 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Caolán McNamara   14
Buovjaga  13
Adolfo Jayme   8
Michael Meeks 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Jan-Marek, Miklos, Heiko, JanI, Michael M, Norbert,
 Christian, Robinson, Armin, Eike, Bjoern, Kendy, Michael S
 
* Completed Action Items:
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ setup Mac machine for Base development (Cloph /Norbert)
[ is a Mac there not used; but no access (Norbert)
  if knew the hostname, could check (Cloph)
  + not aware of any spare macs
AI:   + find the mystery Mac (from Markus) with Alex (Cloph) ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.1.5 RC1
+ synching to mirrors, early testing & QA list announce done.
+ will announce to the public early evening / tomorrow morning.
+ 5.2.0 RC3
+ due next Tuesday - 19th.
+ please review your patches & target branches v.s 5-2
+ Now: one review to -5-2 branch, and another two to:
+ libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ non-crashing builds - but bug in Android Viewer:
+ only shows top-left tile for Impress for render
+ but slide-show thumbnails not working
+ not pushed yet.
  
* When to push large-scale cosmetic changes? (Stephan)
+ e.g.  "Remove the ::
  prefix in ::std for sd"
 + large-scale cleanup patch
+ Miklos had dug out an ESC resolution that we want such only
  between libreoffice-x.y.2 tagging and libreoffice-x-(y+1) branch-
  off
+ i.e., next window between week 39 ("Release 5.2.2" at
  )
  and week 47 ("Hard feature freezed & branched
  libreoffice-5-3" at
  )
+ quite some time out.
+ postponed all these patches - which pile-up in gerrit
+ clarify if we want to go with this push window
+ how far away ? (Norbert)
+ eleven weeks away - week 39 (Norbert)
+ rule is to limit the aggravation back-porting (Norbert)
+ understand need to keep back-porting open (JanI)
+ patch lingering for months de-motivates people.
+ find a balance, 2 months or so
+ want to limit the amount of churn (Norbert)
+ not don't want them - but would like to postpone them.
+ a large cumulative effect (Michael)
+ wasted a lot of time in the past with code churn & back-porting.
+ is it an easy-hack, or own-initiative ? (Bjoern)
+ huge - but line for line (Kendy)
+ better than renaming, and splitting, etc.
+ ok with this one, but discourage this on a regular basis.
+ compromise suggested (Miklos)
+ merge what is in gerrit, but no more at this stage in release cycle.
+ how best to communicate the window ? (JanI)
+ somewhere in the release-plan / wiki ?
+ have a page in the wiki - can tell contributors.
+ the release plan is already there (Norbert)
+ ESC minutes are there.
AI: + create proposal for page to point contributors at it (JanI)
+ after x.y.2 - things open up.
+ big bulk changes auto-created (Bjoern)
+ best to present scripts.
+ we want to do these in a certain window.
+ scripts don't need re-basing etc.
+ very big bulk changes - delayed just to before next big branch 
(Michael)
+ small, localised cosmetic changes ok as a 1st easy-hack (Michael)
+ useful to clarify it (Stephan)
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno - CfP open (Sophie)
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Prague / Vienna unlikely to go direct
  (BMI has a flight from Münich, others from London).
+ Dates here:
+ 
https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/
+ Link is: 

+ Deadline is -this-Friday- [!]
+ other colleagues want to speak, and already filed (Jmux)
+ filed some UX results / planning talks (Heiko)
+ joint workshop on UX / development interaction (Kendy / Heiko)
+ submitted mentoring & language tooling talk (JanI
+  (Michael)
+ CI infrastructure update / lightning perhaps (Norbert)
+ pootle + translation workflow / feedback / glade bits (Christian)
+ silverstripe / website talk (Christian)
+ state of the infra -> state 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Lionel, Robinson, Armin, Jan I, Stephan, Olivier, Miklos,
  Eike, Heiko, Thorsten, Michael M, Christian. Caolán, Michael S,
  Bjoern
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ come back with Calc / maintenance proposal (Michael)
+ E-mail GSoC students: encourage to come to LibOCon, CC mentors (Thorsten)
[ in action right now ]
+ sent GSOC list to Sophie to check registrations (jani)
+ connect Cloph + Norbert wrt. Mac & Windows machines for base 
(Lionel/Norbert/Cloph)
[ account creation for Windows done; Mac still pending sending mail 
(Cloph) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ ongoing discussion ? ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.0 RC2
+ tagged yesterday
+ all builds except Win32 already up-loaded
+ Win32 just completed & will be up-loaded
+ Markus fixed the XP compatibiltiy (thanks)
+ libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ ensure you cherry-pick fixes to the branch
+ double review needed at this stage
+ when was it created ? (Stephan)
+ right before tagging; very early this morning (Cloph)
+ 12 patches on -5-2 branch not in -5-2-0 (Bjoern)
+ do we need to re-file ?
+ didn't review or pick changes in queue (Cloph)
+ just the XP ones.
+ please do take care of that.
+ please review your patches & target branches v.s 5-2
+ 5.1.5 rc1 : July 12th next week.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ fixed the crashes on startup
+ builds prepared, but not up-loaded yet
+ want to test on actual devices first.
 
* tinderbox build up-loads (Michael/Robinson)
+ Two problems (Cloph)
   + packaging code missing a ';'
   + tests for some bugs failing without cleartype enabled
  + RDP connections - not working - now disabled.
  + patch here still in gerrit (Miklos)
+ patch is workaround for non-cleartype pixel counts
  + nice XML dump for text positioning is real fix (Thorsten)
   + perl send-email not working for a while (Thorsten)
  + google/SSL changes - builds not notifying.
+ http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
+ Daily Mac builds? (Robinson)
   + only working with enable-debug configuration.
   + crashes without that; updated machine with el-Capitan
  + for master, but 5.2
   + without daily tinderbox / mac builds until we fix master crashes.
   + release builds are built on release base-line & not affected.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ delivered chapter on 5.1 Draw.
+ last chapter that is missing is Impress - with a volunteer.
+ community stimulation
+ local teams, more active than English speaking community.
+ trying to get some ideas & actions of how to encourage
  English speaking communities.
+ isn't it expected that devs write documentation ? (Heiko)
+ hard for devs to write docs (Olivier)
+ quite a gap here.
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=80430_resolved=1
+ advice to give students workign on UI ?
+ producing bullet points of changes ?
+ been raised before (Olivier)
+ good to encourage students to document this stuff
+ one page on this helps; how to work with it etc.
+ can take & transform to a help page.
+ functions & featrues in calc - no line about them.
+ blog entries great - but any data is good.
+ blogs help qA & l10n too (Sophie)
+ filed a bug to add help menu entries
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96015
Added request for additional info to make it a valid EasyHack 
(jani)
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd for final evaluation.
+ poke & ask/encourage students to submit & register for LibOCon
+ particularly for foreign students.
=> will be re-imbursed up to Eur 1k each, for more ask mentor.
+ concern wrt. students returning to university at end of month
+ be aware & work with them etc.
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
 
* Suggested plan for OpenCL in Calc, going ahead (Michael)
+ talked with several Calc guys: Markus, Kohei, Eike etc.
+ help->about details implemented [ good idea ]
+ existing S/W performance unit tests improved [ ongoing ]
+ meeting concerns:
+ pre-qualify OpenCL driver before its use (ideally 1st ever start)
+ move and improve tests -> before first use [ in progress ]
+ have 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stefan W. (smux, muted), jan i, Sophie, Lionel, Norbert, Miklos, Stephan,
  Caolan, Michael M, Eike, Noel, Jan-Marek, Markus, Thorsten, Michael S, 
Olivier,
  Heiko, Andras, Bjoern (10 minutes in)
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ mark no-code-pointer Easy Hacks as NEEDINFO & NeedsDevEval (Heiko)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ connect Cloph + Norbert wrt. Mac & Windows machines for base (Lionel)
 [ unable to do anything, can't find student on IRC at the same to
   give access to remote Mac / Windows machines:
   some good progress ongoing in Firebird (Lionel)
   need an SSH key and desired user-name to access a Win firewall 
(Cloph)
  + idle Swiss Mac Mini ? (Norbert)
  + JanI happy to help with Win issues. ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
 + if +2 by author and +1 by jenkins -> auto-push (on-going)
+ SQL query done.. but yield interesting result...
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/26347/  which 1/ is marked
  'not mergeable' but I can't yet detect that
  and really should not be merged anyway.. based on comments.
  + Not found a way to detect this yet.
  + That's probably a typo, he must have meant -1/-2 (Lionel)
  + in the same click foo.
  + hope is that if it gets merged this will stop (Michael)
  + says "can't merge" but not reflected in SQL table (Norbert)
  + what happens in the chron job +2 by author, but -2 by other ? 
(Lionel)
  + query - condition - is: +2 by author, and verified +1 by ci 
(Norbert)
  + has to be a committer - no non-committers can't +2
  + wise to check no -1's by anyone else.
  + also only valid on master, not elsewhere.
  + on other branches: could automate the rules (Lionel)
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2 RC2 - due July 5th (Tue next week)
+ will create libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ 5.1.5 rc1 : July 12th (week 28)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ still crashes on startup.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Delivered chapter on Base for revision
+ To close the book on 5.1 - need to update base & impress
+ next is 5.2
+ Discussion with staff on how to increase Doc' visibility & Download rates 
(WIP)
+ More downloads, more public, more reads, more interest,
  better feedback/contrib/volunteers
+ a 2nd product - books; can give beside the software download.
   + can we have links in the help menu ?
   + such as books, ask etc. ?
   + easy to do - poke UX guys too (Michael)
+ Blog post
+ asking for new people to show up:

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/06/29/libreoffice-documentation-join-us-in-this-adventure/
+ two new people showed up already
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ Everyone passed at Mid-Term
+ progress looks good.
+ next deadline is mid/end August for final evaluation.
+ poke & ask/encourage students to submit & register for LibOCon
+ particularly for foreign students.
=> will be re-imbursed up to Eur 1k each, for more ask mentor.
+ blogging encouraged too ! with screenshot would be good.
+ talked to UX students (Heiko)
+ not having time to come to the conference.
AI: + send E-mail to ask & encourage (Thorsten)
 
* Disable OpenCL by default in Calc (Markus, Eike)
+ Quite a lot of nasty bugs with OpenCL (Markus)
+ hard to reproduce them
+ three different code-paths to calculate
+ Hard to reproduce the bugs
+ Tracker bug (Michael)
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=97391_resolved=1
+ 23 bugs over all time, 6 open currently, 4 needinfo 2 un-confirmed.
+ Crashes:
+ bad - but mis-calculation worse (Eike, Michael)
+ not spotted mis-calculations are worst.
+ need to avoid them.
+ Concern (Markus)
+ quality, and rate of bug fixing.
+ OpenCL - suggested improvements: (Michael)
+ test it when we 1st ever start - before we do real calcs.
+ OpenCLZone - cf. GL stuff to turn off on crash.
+ more active maintenance.
+ currently 3 different code-paths (Markus)
+ don't know which one we're using.
+ don't like the S/W interpreter.
+ Sw/Interp. (Michael)
+ only used for subset of ocAcc, ocSub, ocMul, ocDiv, ocSum, ocProduct
+ much faster.
+ Tor just accelerated the CPU S/W vs. OCL testing (Michael)
+ don't see value of it for the project 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Bjoern, Norbert, Stephan, Jan I, Jan-Marek, Sophie, Miklos, Michael S,
  Robinson, Christian, Caolan, David, Kendy, Olivier, Thorsten, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ fix / limit the per-processor thread-pool (Ashod)
[ set to max 4 during unit tests ]
AI: + back-port it to 5-1 and -5-2 (Ash)
+ mail list of guys for certification (Stephan)
[ all mailed, all accepted ].
+ mail Laurent BP, Rishabh Kumar, Alex Pantecthem wrt. commit (Thorsten)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
 + if +2 by author and +1 by jenkins -> auto-push (on-going)
 [ some problem; stream events don't contain both +1 and +2 -
   a bit complicated; needs a query (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2 Beta 2 update
+ also available on the mirrors
+ not doing an (optional) B3 this week
+ one pending Debian packaging bug - one file in multiple packages
+ also a problem with help related to authoring extension.
+ RC1 due on Tuesday ... (June 21st - English string & UI freeze)
+ libreoffice-5-2-0 branch-off: July 5 (hard code freeze) - rc2
+ 5.1.4 update
+ up-loaded 5.1.4 rc2 just before the call.
+ 5.1.5 rc1 : July 12th (week 28)
+ Caolan will fix the help strings issue (Caolan)
+ happy (Cloph)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Android viewer has runtime problems, will debug & push a fix (Cloph)
+ crashes when loading documents on master currently ...
+ releases are from master so far.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Finished porting HelpAuthoring OOo schema documentation to TDF wiki:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HelpContentAuthoring
-> e.g. updated with  new tag (Olivier, tagezi)
+ readable; and now can be edited to improve it.
+ Updated chapter 10 (Print, Export, Mail) of Getting started book.
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ June 26th - midterm eval due, make sure it's filed or ask your co-mentor!
+ if in doubt ask Thorsten/Moggi/JanI
+ ask/encourage students to submit & register for LibOCon
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ GSoC reports on progress
+ wider discussion on templates - how they should be managed
+ when is it better to open it for editing vs. opening a doc. based on 
it.
+ how can we distinguish it better.
+ Area-fill & side-bar improvements going well.
+ latest writer menu changes
+ max. of 20 items for menu - some important stuff goes to sub-menus
+ a poll going on to have some input from people.
+ discussing auto-creation of screenshots.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failures, 3 export failure, 0 coverity
+ ok again; not reproducible failures - fails on test machines, not locally.
+ looking at backtraces in BZ - down to 12 still open
+ Moggi's crash testing producing good stuff.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next hackfests: nothing confirmed yet.
+ Hamburg Home-hacking setup ? (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Chaos event - good for outreach; at the same time as Munich.
+ Infra Meetup: July 24th to 30th, close to Munich (kaufbeuren)
+ Akademy / FSFE summit - in the week before LibOCon ? (Thorsten)
+ more suggestions welcome
+ Autumn / week-long Home-Hacking in Hamburg with students? (Bjoern)
+ advertise at university ? C++ training ? etc.
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno - CfP open (Sophie)
+ Kendy & Thorsten on program committee:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ deadline is mid July.
+ OSBA interop. working group (Thorsten)
+ desire a professional user track cf. Bern.
+ got some good feedback;
+ will propose it to the conf. organizers.
+ 1/2 a day of that.
 
* Mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + legend: contributors are not-yet-committers, numbers in () are +/- 
compared to last week
   + summary:
   17357(0) commits in a year of which 8801(-34) were made directly, 
without use of gerrit
   293(0) people made commits in a year, 32(-15) in a month. 38(10) people 
to be emailed
   + gerrit:   committer open  65(10)  contributor open  48(-13)
   updated merged   abandoned   updated  mergedabandoned
year:   65(10) 7142(112) 562(1)  48(-13)  1414(-78)  476(-2)
month:  64(9)   974(12)   40(2)  47(-14)   164(-3)39(0)
week:   51(13)  202(-19)   8(0)  33(-4) 42(2) 11(-1)
   + easyHacks:
total 229(-9) open 201(-5) assigned 18(-4)
needinfo 10(0) needsDevEval 474(5) needsUXEval 90(16)
missing 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Armin, Lionel, Sophie, Stephan, Andras, Bjoern, Caolan, Kendy, Eike,
  Miklos, Olivier, Thorsten, Michael M, Michael S, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ suggest concrete way ahead to clean up SfxItemSet::Put(nWhich) (Oliver)
 [ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/24324/ - updated patch, seem
   to have a way ahead; Thorsten to chase -2 away ]
+ give out Barn-Stars https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Barnstars/2016-05 
(All)
 [ seven given out - not a big up-take yet (Bjoern)
   + badges are more successful, 250 awarded ...
   + these are scripted / auto-generated
   + perhaps more preparation in advance next time ]
+ investigate clobberring glew instead of lots of #ifdefs: (Marco, Oliver)
 [ glew guy wants us to use not-glew ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate a chron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
 + if +2 by author and +1 by jenkins -> auto-push
 [ Miklos pointed at something very similar ]
+ connect to David Ostrovsky to fuse gerrit with vm173 (Olivier)
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian on IRC)
+ 5.2 Beta 1
+ tag done, builds in progress
=> 5.2 is Feature Frozen 
+ tripple review for new features
+ Bug Hunting session expected for RC1 (Sophie)
+ poke Cloph wrt. troublesome GL commits in RC1 ? (Kendy)
+ recent fix from Tomaz; if you force GL / problems.
+ unclear if it appears for lots of people.
+ Cloph agreed to get a hot-fix (Kendy)
+ 5.1.4 RC1
+ deadline is Tues next week (22)
+ Android & iOS Remote
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Patches in Helpcontent, found by translating HC into other languages
+ Update for Getting started Guide chapter on Base, Impress and Draw 
(on-going)
   + Support for newcomers that are not familiar with documentation
+ Improvements in HC online (pending)
+ Wrote some "Easy Doc" for Italian students in a trainee program.
+ Weekly Doc' team call
   + happens on Wednesdays at 19:00 Berlin time.
   + a hangout + pad etc.
   + minutes to documentation, l10n, projects list etc.
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ all students there & working - going well; no early drop-outs
+ encourage more public showing / discussion / blogging !
   + try to encourage people to do that on the lists / public IRC
+ Can we please open a BZ issue for each GSoC project, allowing us to track 
the commits etc easily  ? (jani)
   + This is something we can use in outreach, as it will document sucesses.
   => unclear what's hard about tracking git commits per author (Michael)
   + measure bug-fix commits by grokking git patches (Michael)
   => punt to next week & JanI
+ have now at least 2x mentors for each project (Thorsten)
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ not in the last meeting; but:
+ talked wrt. GSOC progress
+ Heiko continuing to sort draw bugs based on survey
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 3 import failure, 4 export failure, 0 coverity
+ first successful coverity run after the fall-through break
+ file test set the same - so recent issues.
+ fuzzing still burning CPU
+ tool claims it goes 'blue' when covered enough
   + no blues yet.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next hackfests:
+ Germany, Munich, LiMux; End of May 2016 (Jan-Marek)
+ Orga: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2016/05/de/Munich
+ 27-29 May (parallel to the Debian Sun Camp)
+ Starting tomorrow !
   + Bubli & Mike Saunders going.
   + kitchen / menu look awesome, so does the line-up (Thorsten)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Chaos event - good for outreach; at the same time as Munich.
+ https://www.froscon.de/en/home/Flosscon in Bonn, Germany
   + August - 2 weeks before LibreOffice conference ?
  + perhaps piggy-back on their rooms.
  + like FOSDEM at a university etc.
+ https://2016.guadec.org/ in Karlsruhe, Germany (3 weeks before LO 
conf)
+ Akademy / FSFE summit - in the week before LibOCon ? (Thorsten)
+ more suggestions welcome
+ Autumn / week-long Home-Hacking in Hamburg with students? (Bjoern)
+ advertise at university ? C++ training ? etc.
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno - CfP open (Sophie)
+ Kendy & Thorsten on program committee:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ deadline is mid July.

* Mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + legend: contributors are not-yet-committers, numbers in () are +/- 
compared to last week
   + summary:
   17357(-126) 

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[Michael Meeks]

om an experienced developer
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
  (or remove the Keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=needsDevEval
 
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 692
+ enhancements: 65
+ in ux-advise: 33
+ needAdvice at 29
 
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs
+ tdf#98989 - tables not rendering
+ Windows regression
+ looking forward to a bibisect result.
+ tdf#89034 - OS X: Text not being justified in Persian and other RTL 
languages
+ Persists as Common issue -> lots of duplicates
+ Mail merge regressions (Bjoern)
+ http://tdf.io/mmregressions (9 open; 8 open last meeting)
+ JMux' branch was merged
   + worth re-testing / closing fixed bugs now ?
+ asked for bisect & it was marked fixed (Miklos)
+ can QA look at them again ?
 
+ First 5.2 BH session planed for the 22nd of April
+ just one day - Friday; to see if that works better.
 
+ regression stats looking good
+ related to the triage backlog ? (Michael)
+ perhaps (Robinson)
+ had a drive on reviewing regressions (Bjoern)
 
* QA stats
 
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+136-100(+36 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Buovjaga  13
Markus Mohrhard8
V Stuart Foote 8
Cor Nouws  7
Björn Michaelsen   5
raal   5
Adolfo Jayme   5
Miklos Vajna   4
Timur  4
Joel Madero3
Kevin Suo  3
Usama  2
Eike Rathke2
Julien Nabet   2
Michael Meeks  2
 
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 3/8   - 37%+1
5.1: 2/26  -  7%+0
5.0: 7/52  - 13%-2
4.4: 9/72  - 12%+0
4.3: 5/68   - 7%+0
4.2: 10/133 - 7%+0
4.1: 4/79   - 5%+0
4.0: 9/81  - 11%+0
old: 38/249 - 15%   +0
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 391/1307 399/1305 404/1297 406/1292 412/1284 408/1277 403/1260
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 763(-10) bugs open of 4802(+4) total 26(-2) high prio.
 
* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
  Calc - 10 (-1)
Writer -  8 (-1)
   LibreOffice -  4 (+0)
  Base -  2 (+0)
Extensions -  1 (+0)
   Impress -  1 (+0)
+ http://tdf.io/regressionscritical
 
* ~Component   count net * all regressions
Writer - 235 (-7)
  Calc - 159 (-7)
   LibreOffice -  56 (+0)
   Crashes -  50 (-1)
   Impress -  46 (+0)
UI -  42 (+1)
graphics stack -  36 (+0)
  Base -  34 (+0)
   Borders -  32 (+0)
  Draw -  27 (+1)
   filters and storage -  22 (+0)
 Chart -  14 (+0)
 BASIC -  15 (+1)
Printing and PDF export-  11 (+1)
Formula Editor -   7 (+0)
Linguistic -   4 (+0)
Extensions -   3 (+0)
 framework -   2 (+1)
  Installation -   2 (+0)
   sdk -   1 (+0)
+ http://tdf.io/allregressions


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-30
+ hope to go & do an overview talk first (Michael)
+ DavidO hoping to go
+ Gran Canaria hack-fest (Thorsten)
+ April 6-8th (7-9th) possibly
+ Plan is to craft it according to the Japanese
  Mini-Conference, with a broader local community appeal

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/LibreOffice_Espania_Summit
+ announced on Spanish list (janI)
+ Germany, Munich, LiMux; End of May 2016 (Jan-Marek)
+ Orga: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2016/05/de/Munich
+ Weekend doodle: 
https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/LiMux_Hackfest_May_2016/
+ 27-29 May (parallel to the Debian Sun Camp)
 
* Mentoring Update (JanI)
+ gerrit: 155 open patches of which 105 can be merged if no open comments
   88 from contributors of which 58 can be merged if no open 
comments
+ GSoC students are very active with questions etc.
+ amazing amount of questions
+ opinion about the students? (Lionel)
+ can share privately when you ask about an interested student (JanI)
 
* Commit Access
 
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ pending next cycle.
 
* Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
* these are supposed to be clean:
  ...
* these are expected to break:
  ...
 
* Easy Hacks (JanI)
 + easyHacks: total 306: 281 waiting for contributor, 17 Assigned to 
contributors, 8 need info
  needsDevEval 419 needs to be evaluated
 cleanup: 237 has more than 4 comments, 242 needs to be reviewed
new last 8 days:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98602 
mentor:kendy -> "Duplicate code in onlineupdate/"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98705 
mentor:nemeth -> "Reduce starting time on Windows by removing 
GetCaseCorrectPathName usage"
+ amazed by cleanup of debug levels (Bjoern)
 + junk code in there: eg. in VCL - functions have different return 
values.
+ removed easyHack keyword from old NEEDINFO bugs.
 + a number that were years old.
+ create your own by updating Keywords to eg.
"easyHack, difficultyBeginner, skillCpp, topicCleanup"
+ please remember, a code pointer is mandatory, and typically a 
look from an experienced developer
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
  (or remove the Keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=needsDevEval
 
* Bibisect repos - are they up to date ? (Bjoern)
+ Windows - are updated weekly in a batch mode (Cloph)
+ just fixed a 5.2 bibisected regression (Michael)
+ no bibisect 'max' repo yet (Cloph)
 
* LiveConnect / API key (Kendy)
+ we don't use their SDK.
+ are already configure switches for onedrive credentials (Cloph, JMux)
AI:+ check why showing in UI is not bound to that switch cf. GDrive (Kendy)
AI:+ tweak UI and get API key / build case for board (Cloph)
+ would love 2x factor auth for GDrive in libCMIS (Cloph)
+ what do Distros do for GDrive ? (Bjoern)
   + no idea; don't think we do anything (Caolan)
+ will also create t-box builds key (Cloph)
 
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 686
+ somewhat lower numbers
+ enhancements: 65
+ in ux-advise: 31
+ needAdvice at 26
 
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
+ tdf#89034 - OS X: Text not being justified in Persian and other RTL 
languages
+ Persists as Common issue -> lots of duplicates
+ Mail merge regressions (Bjoern)
+ http://bit.ly/1POJrmp (7 open; 7 open last meeting)
+ Patch-set still pending (Miklos has taken over)
+ expect mm toolbar will be mergeable by tomorrow.
+ (also pending AI: push the last MM fix to 5.0 too)
+ lots of other stuff going on (JMux)
+ tdf#96847 - [Crash] Android viewer crashes on every file (android 
4.4.4 & 5.x)
+ Continues to Crash with latest daily build (2016-03-17)
 
* QA stats
 
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+162-127(+35 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Buovjaga  21
Caolán McNamara   15
raal       6
Alex Thurgood  6
Maxim Monastirsky  6
Michael Meeks  5
m.a.riosv  5
Yousuf (Jay) Philips   4
Timur  4
Eike Rathke4
V Stuart Foote 4
Matus Uzak 4
Katarina Behrens   3
Joel Madero3
Cor Nouws  2
 
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 3/6   - 50%+1
5.1: 2/26  -  7

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[Michael Meeks]

days:
 NONE
+ create your own by updating Keywords to eg.
"easyHack, difficultyBeginner, skillCpp, topicCleanup"
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
  (or remove the Keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=needsDevEval
 
* libxmlsec upgrade (Miklos)
+ first time in ~5 years; not ideal.
+ bumped a minor version, gets rid of two custom patches.
+ up-stream is alive; possible to do upgrades.
+ up-stream is interested in integrating patches
+ we have to do the work to port to master.
 
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED: ???
+ enhancements: ??
+ in ux-advise: ??
+ needAdvice at ??
 
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
+ tdf#89034 - OS X: Text not being justified in Persian and other RTL 
languages
+ Persists as Common issue -> lots of duplicates
+ Mail merge regressions (Bjoern)
+ http://bit.ly/1POJrmp (7 open; 7 open last meeting)
+ Patch-set still pending (Kendy)
+ sending E-mails glitches + unit test not passing
+ (also pending AI: push the last MM fix to 5.0 too)
+ lots of other stuff going on (JMux)
+ tdf#96847 - Android viewer crashes on every file (android 4.4.4 & 5.x)
+ Crash with daily builds (2016-02-18)
 
* QA stats
 
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+191-133(+58 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Buovjaga  20
Maxim Monastirsky  9
Cor Nouws  8
Caolán McNamara7
V Stuart Foote 7
Yousuf (Jay) Philips   6
Michael Meeks  6
raal   6
Eike Rathke5
Xisco Faulí4
Julien Nabet   4
m.a.riosv  4
Adolfo Jayme   4
Keith Curtis   4
 
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 2/5   - 40%+1
5.1: 3/26  - 11%+1
5.0: 9/52  - 17%-2
4.4: 11/75 - 14%-1
4.3: 5/68   - 7%+0
4.2: 10/133 - 7%-1
4.1: 4/79   - 5%+0
4.0: 10/81  - 12%   +0
old: 39/249 - 15%   +0
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 406/1292 412/1284 408/1277 403/1260 398/1248 402/1247 408/1242
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 784(+4) bugs open of 4773(+32) total 30(-1) high prio.
 
* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
  Calc - 13 (+1)
Writer -  9 (+0)
   LibreOffice -  4 (+0)
   Impress -  2 (-1)
  Base -  2 (+0)
Extensions -  0 (-1)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 
* ~Component   count net * all regressions
Writer - 241 (+1)
  Calc - 171 (+2)
   LibreOffice -  56 (+2)
   Crashes -  55 (-2)
   Impress -  49 (-2)
UI -  41 (+1)
graphics stack -  38 (-1)
   Borders -  34 (+2)
  Base -  32 (+3)
  Draw -  27 (+0)
   filters and storage -  22 (+2)
 Chart -  15 (+1)
 BASIC -  13 (-2)
Printing and PDF export-  11 (+1)
Formula Editor -   7 (+1)
Linguistic -   4 (+0)
Extensions -   3 (+0)
 framework -   2 (+0)
  Installation -   2 (+0)
   sdk -   1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i

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[Michael Meeks]

or:straub -> "osl_createHostAddrByAddr uses non-threadsafe gethostbyaddr"
AI:+ suggest removing whiteboard tag of some of the older, needinfo 
(JanI)
+ concern that the mentor: flag is not correct (Bjoern)
   + eg. Stephan for the last, and Cor Nous for another.
   + comes with the new tool (JanI)
+ create your own by updating Keywords to eg.
"easyHack, difficultyBeginner, skillCpp, topicCleanup"
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
  (or remove the Keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=needsDevEval
 
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 724
+ going up again.
+ enhancements: 73
+ in ux-advise: 29
+ needAdvice at 26
 
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
+ tdf#95709 - [DISPLAY] Presentation mode renders graphics wrong
[ fixed - thanks to Armin,
  should back-port to -5-1 & -5-0 ?
  
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=1c85800345239754d5c4ec71c2aad526d0439eea
  there is a 'cherry-pick' button in gerrit (Norbert) ]
AI:   + write a cheat-sheet & mail to Armin (Norbert)
+ tdf#96172 - Crash in layout SwSectionFrame after opening particular 
document
[ layout crash is pre-existing, and we fixed the imports change 
(Michael S)
+ you can still import an equivalent ODT ]
+ tdf#89034 - OS X: Text not being justified in Persian and other RTL 
languages
+ Persists as Common issue -> lots of duplicates
+ Mail merge regressions (Bjoern)
+ http://bit.ly/1POJrmp (7 open; 7 open last meeting)
+ Patch-set coming (Kendy)
+ fixed printing, but sending E-mails glitches + unit test not 
passing
+ (also pending AI: push the last MM fix to 5.0 too)
+ lots of other stuff going on (JMux)
+ tdf#96847 - Android viewer crashes on every file (android 4.4.4 & 5.x)
+ Crash with daily builds (2016-02-18)
 
* QA stats
 
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+191-93(+98 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Beluga13
Yousuf (Jay) Philips   7
Adolfo Jayme   7
raal   6
Michael Meeks  5
Timur  5
Maxim Monastirsky  4
V Stuart Foote 4
Julien Nabet   3
David Tardon   3
Cor Nouws  3
m.a.riosv  3
Miklos Vajna   2
Samuel Mehrbrodt   2
Jürgen Mähnß   1
 
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 1/4   - 25%+0
5.1: 2/25   - 8%+0
5.0: 10/52 - 19%+1
4.4: 12/75 - 16%+0
4.3: 5/68   - 7%+0
4.2: 11/134 - 8%+0
4.1: 4/79   - 5%+0
4.0: 10/81  - 12%   +0
old: 39/248 - 15%   +0
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 412/1284 408/1277 403/1260 398/1248 402/1247 408/1242 409/1238
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 780(+10) bugs open of 4741(+22) total 31(+0) high prio.
 
* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
  Calc - 12 (+0)
Writer -  9 (-1)
   LibreOffice -  4 (+0)
   Impress -  3 (+1)
  Base -  2 (+0)
Extensions -  1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 
* ~Component   count net * all regressions
Writer - 240 (+6)
  Calc - 169 (+3)
   Crashes -  57 (+3)
   LibreOffice -  54 (+0)
   Impress -  51 (-1)
UI -  40 (-1)
graphics stack -  39 (+1)
   Borders -  32 (+0)
  Base -  29 (+1)
  Draw -  27 (+0)
   filters and storage -  20 (+1)
 BASIC -  15 (+0)
 Chart -  14 (-1)
Printing and PDF export-  10 (+0)
Formula Editor -   6 (+0)
Linguistic -   4 (+0)
Extensions -   3 (+0)
 framework -   2 (+0)
  Installation -   2 (+0)
   sdk -   1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i

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   + http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/bibisect/mac/ 
+ surely part of the coretext move ? (Michael)
+ v. likely (Norbert)
+ Mail merge regressions (Bjoern)
+ http://bit.ly/1POJrmp (7 open; 7 open last meeting)
+ (Still pending?) AI: push the last MM fix to 5.0 too
+ about to push some 30x patches (Kendy)
+ mostly the UI.
+ jmux working on fixing things.
+ tdf#96847 - Android viewer crashes on every file (android 4.4.4 & 5.x)
+ Crash persists with daily builds (2016-02-18)
 
* QA stats
 
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+209-154(+55 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Beluga21
Maxim Monastirsky 14
Cor Nouws  8
Michael Stahl  7
Timur  6
Samuel Mehrbrodt   6
V Stuart Foote 5
Caolán McNamara4
Michael Meeks  4
raal   4
Julien Nabet   4
RAV3
Adolfo Jayme   3
Xisco Faulí3
 
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 1/4   - 25%+0
5.1: 2/25   - 8%+0
5.0: 9/52  - 17%+0
4.4: 12/75 - 16%+0
4.3: 5/68   - 7%-1
4.2: 11/134 - 8%+0
4.1: 4/79   - 5%+0
4.0: 10/81  - 12%   +0
old: 39/248 - 15%   +0
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 408/1277 403/1260 398/1248 402/1247 408/1242 409/1238 406/1229
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 770(+3) bugs open of 4719(+26) total 31(-3) high prio.
 
* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
  Calc - 12 (-2)
Writer - 10 (+0)
   LibreOffice -  4 (-1)
  Base -  2 (+0)
   Impress -  2 (+0)
Extensions -  1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 
* ~Component   count net * all regressions
Writer - 234 (+0)
  Calc - 166 (+4)
   LibreOffice -  54 (+0)
   Crashes -  54 (-2)
   Impress -  52 (+1)
UI -  41 (-2)
graphics stack -  38 (+0)
   Borders -  32 (-1)
  Base -  28 (+0)
  Draw -  27 (+0)
   filters and storage -  19 (+0)
 BASIC -  15 (+0)
 Chart -  15 (+0)
Printing and PDF export-  10 (-1)
Formula Editor -   6 (+0)
Linguistic -   4 (-1)
Extensions -   3 (+0)
 framework -   2 (+1)
  Installation -   2 (+0)
   sdk -   1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i

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[Michael Meeks]

a good week.
 + windows skewed by warning as error over the weekend.
 
* Easy Hacks:
+ new easy-hacks thanks to:
easyHacks: total 305: 286 waiting for contributor, 10 Assigned to 
contributors, 6 need info
   cleanup: 203 has more than 4 comments, 281 needs to be reviewed
new last 8 days:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97803 
mentor:d.ostrovsky -> "gbuild: check that everything in instdir/ ends up 
packaged in the end"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97703 
mentor:sbergman -> "EasyHack: Remove empty setUp/tearDown overrides from 
CppUnit test code"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97748 
mentor:michael.meeks -> "unit-test to check graphics ..."
need info (mentor or code pointer), please help:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57174 
mentor:harman.eric -> "When Opening Any Dialog the First Value in the Dialog 
Should be Selected"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79924 
mentor:alban.crequy -> "LibreOffice should use stemp in other directories than 
$HOME first"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66876 
mentor:idler.1st -> "[Sidebar]  Large icons are not used"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97803 
mentor:d.ostrovsky -> "gbuild: check that everything in instdir/ ends up 
packaged in the end"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38887 
mentor:bjoern.michaelsen -> "Improvement of SmNodeToTextVisitor"
=> one of the ancients ones, thus not mine, see also comment 8 
(Bjoern)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67544 
mentor:kobzeci -> "FILESAVE: Slide transistion sound(other sound) is not 
included in presentation file"
+ http://bit.ly/1mpGhJx
+ create your own by updating Keywords to eg.
"easyHack, difficultyBeginner, skillCpp, topicCleanup"
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
  (or remove the Keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=needsDevEval
 
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 653
+ enhancements: 57
+ in ux-advise: 31
+ needAdvice at 25
 
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
+ tdf#96300 - Wrong hyphenation in German and Italian text using the 
MS-font “Calibri” and TDF “Carlito”
(ligatures duplicated at end and start of line)
+ Cloph: higher importance
+ tdf#56544 - FILEOPEN: Lock file is not created on samba share (via 
gvfs)
[ fixed thanks to Stephan ]
+ tdf#95709 - [DISPLAY] Presentation mode renders graphics wrong
+ Armin / Thorsten ?
+ tdf#96172 - Crash in layout SwSectionFrame after opening particular 
document
+ ODT crash [was: Crash on opening DOCX]
+ bibisected;
+ tdf#89034 - OS X: Text not being justified in Persian and other RTL 
languages
+ Common issue -> lots of duplicates
+ Mail merge regressions (Bjoern)
+ http://bit.ly/1POJrmp (7 open; 7 open last meeting)
+ (Still?) PENDING: AI: push the last MM fix to 5.0 too
   + Jan-Marek watching this, but short on time currently
+ maybe to do test build, and find interest in testing? (Bjoern)
   + no infra for that though (Bjoern)
   + pushing to master is fine (Kendy)
+ tdf#96847 - Android viewer crashes on every file (android 4.4.4 & 5.x)
+ Crash persists with daily builds (2016-02-18)
 
* QA stats
 
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+212-124(+88 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Beluga21
Michael Meeks 15
Maxim Monastirsky  7
raal   6
Joel Madero5
Luke   4
V Stuart Foote 4
Cor Nouws  4
tommy273
Olivier Hallot 3
David Tardon   3
m.a.riosv  3
Xisco Faulí2
Michael Stahl  2
Stephan Bergmann   2
 
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 1/4   - 25%+0
5.1: 2/25   - 8%+0
5.0: 9/52  - 17%+0
4.4: 12/75 - 16%-1
4.3: 6/68   - 8%+0
4.2: 11/134 - 8%+0
4.1: 4/79   - 5%+0
4.0: 10/81  - 12%   +0
old: 39/248 - 15%   +0
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 403/1260 398/1248 402/1247 408/1242 409/1238 406/1229 353/1140
+ http://tdf.io/bi

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Armin, Oliver, Robinson, Michael M, Sophie, JanI, Christian, Stephan,
  Norbert, Eike, Muthu, Andras, Bjoern, Cloph, Michael S, David, Miklos,
  Lionel
 
* Completed Actions / Items:
+ enable calc bits by default for now for more testing (Kendy)
+ poke the users-list on MS Surface / GL issue (Michael)
[ oddly no reply ]
+ merge slide transition artwork to -5-1 for B2 (Michael)
+ ask for QA support of Android remote on Windows (Robinson)
[ waiting to hear back, people moved off windows ... ]
+ list of developers who havn't contributed in a while (JanI)
[ done, pending E-mail ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ book FOSDEM conf. room for board meeting (Florian)
[ perhaps after not before to avoid hackfest conflict ]
+ double-check libmar/src, update/src, remove the duplicate, etc. (Kendy)
+ UserAgent - move to 1% of users, drop bundled-languages etc. (Michael)
+ try out 'make check' for gerrit / Linux builders (Norbert)
 [ will take a while ]
+ get callgrind trace of SVG rendering in tdf#82214 (JMux)
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 4.4.7 - released as final today.
+ 5.0.4 RC1
+ on the mirrors.
+ RC2 to be tagge later today.
+ 5.1.0 B2
+ on mirrors, and available from website.
+ 5.1.0 RC1
+ due for tag (but no branch) next week.
+ string and UI freeze from next week.
+ but not code freese.
+ until RC1 - free to commit without review.
+ after RC1 - double review required for libreoffice-5-1
+ Late Features:
+ OpenGL - switch to simpler double-buffering.
[ good progress, fixes bugs;
  swap buffers at (high prio.) idle like Mac.
  More testing / validation ongoing
  Pending CI catchup. ]
+ Slide Transitions: artwork & polish
+ poke at artwork bits ...
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ still needs random 1% bits doing ]
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96127
   + simple patch submitted (thanks)
  
* blanket approval for lwp filter (Michael)
+ any objections to Caolan skipping review for all branches
  for simple lwp fixes for 5-0 ?
   + fine but wants a CI build (Norbert)
   + but the CI slaves are horribly over-loaded (Michael)
  + capacity is 4x per hour on Windows (Norbert)
   + current 60 patches CI backlog is a 10x hour delay (Michael) 
+ happy to drop review; or post review them, putting
  them into 1x patch not ideal either (Caolan)
   + temporary disturbance not a problem (Norbert)
   + 35 issues outstanding and coming
+ patches on a feature branch vs. 5.0.4 - and 1x push to gerrit from tip 
(Bjoern)
   => push to gerrit & make it easy to merge. (see ./logerrit testfeature 
for the concept)
+ propose avoiding individual review for these patches (Michael)
   + sounds fine (Bjoern)
   + automatically solves this problem (Norbert)
   + just 1x commit in gerrit to approve.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ ? import failures, ? export failures, ??? coverity
 
* IRC - ESC attendees appreciated as op's (Michael)
+ helps me remind you of ESC
+ ideally use channel service instead (Miklos)
+ bit like root; but flags may help others.
+ helps newbies find mentors (beware)
+ not moderator - since account not registered (Bjoern)
AI: + get ops who are not listed in the developers page listed (JanI)
 
* Madrid (Bjoern)
+ Jacobo approaching the university was great
+ taught design-patterns in university.
+ where are they in LibreOffice ?
+ perhaps a blog series wrt. design patterns in-use.
+ "welcome to the real world" experience (Norbert)
+ colleague teaching theory (Jacobo)
+ wants students to see the reality.
+ could make patterns more visible for interested newcomers.
+ code-base pre-dates discovery of the patterns (Norbert)
+ Pasqual from Valencia, submitted some patches already
+ also interested in certification; 100k seats there.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ FOSDEM / Beta Co-working (Bjoern)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2016
+ check-in with Italo for papers committe.
+ next venues / suggestions
+ considering another Gran Canaria hack-fest (Thorsten)
+ March next year (?)
Please remember the easter holidays are in march this year, and 
big in spain
+ Turkey
+ talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training.
 
* Mentoring Update (JanI)
+ how to point to people that need help the most effectively? (Kendy)
+ sometimes I know how to help, just don't have time for the details 
(Kendy)
+ sorted out & provided more 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Cloph, Sophie, Stephan, Jan-Marek, JanI, Michael M, Miklos, Andras,
  Caolan, Bjoern, Lionel, Bubli, Armin, Michael S, Kendy, Eike, Robinson, 
Thorsten
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael)
+ UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael)
+ disable openGL by default for 5.0.4 (Cloph)
+ run the sw renaming script just before branch-off (Robinson)
[ needed a fix to a test document, accidentally touched,
  kendy fixed for the future ]
+ improve new contributors Wiki, write blogpost, promote git-review etc. 
(JanI)
[ v. open-ended: in-progress ]
+ setup FOSDEM Hackfest wiki page with dates (Samuel stole this AI ;) )
[ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2016 ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a proposal for "abandoned" / "insufficient data"
  resolution in the bug-flow graph (Robinson)
[ lively discussion, following up, decision by the end of the week ]
+ book FOSDEM conf. room for board meeting (Florian)
[ perhaps after not before to avoid hackfest conflict ]
+ list of developers who havn't contributed in a while (JanI)
+ check mDNSResponder & move it to external/ (Michael S.)
[ hidden 5x directories deep in impress ]
+ double-check libmar/src, update/src, remove the duplicate, etc. (Kendy)
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 4.4.7 RC2
+ tagged, Linux + Mac built.
+ Windows delayed; since VM died; buying replacement H/W etc.
+ will start build today.
+ 5.0.4 status
+ RC1 / freeze - Monday
+ tagging due later today / tomorrow.
+ all fixes from gerrit are integrated
+ very last minute fixes today / tomorrow.
+ 5.1.0 branch / feature-freeze: this week.
+ branch created, and beta1 tag this week.
+ windows build breakage just before tagging.
+ a buildfix1 tag -> corresponding fixes.
+ re-created tar-balls from this.
+ Avoiding large-scale cosmetic cleanups
+ until when ? (Stephan)
+ consensus so-far; try to do just before branch-off (Miklos)
+ one idea mass-run through code-formatting tool (Bjoern)
+ start with config / code-style we want to use
+ by the time we do the next release: finally look at it.
   + 6 months to bike-shed.
+ afraid, can't agree on include order, not ideal (Miklos)
+ removing parameters, defaulted etc. (Stephan)
+ calming down for a couple of point-release to help bug-fixers 
(Michael)
+ makes sense (Bjoern)
+ concern, never a good time for doing these (Stephan)
+ concern - size, and non-functionality are deadly annoying when
  back-porting bug-fixes (Michael)
+ if a volunteer; doing rename member variables (Bjoern)
+ if 1st commit - makes sense perhaps.
+ agree with a quiet period (Eike)
+ will pile up changes in gerrit; but need reviewing.
+ piling makes them un-merge-able over time (Bjoern)
+ say - we discourage until .2 (as in the past) (Miklos)
+ not black / white - please try to avoid those.
=> avoid large non-functional cleanups until x.y.2
+ Late Features:
+ OpenGL - switch to simpler double-buffering.
+ Slide Transitions: artwork & polish
[ Jay and Andreas making new images - much appreciated ]
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ in modulo tweaking, cf. discussing a setting later ]
+ calc s/w interpreter-related patch
[ also got in before the freeze; an 18x speedup on CPU for
  some test sheets; currently guarded by a variable - and
  subsetting to just some sheets.
 + plan to test with crash-testing sheets & enable by 
default
  Would like to look at it (Eike)
 + dislike env.vars set - avoids the unit-tests
+ plan to remove it before ship (Kendy)
+ turn into normal config & default -> testable.
+ would like to turn it on now - default on for 
user-testing (Kendy)
+ optional B2 in the release-plan (Cloph)
+ can have an intermediate release.
 + goal of the code - vectors of doubles
+ formula results (Michael)
+ moves big chunk of ptr chasing & branching from 
inner loop.
]
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ delayed, due to B1 delay.
 
* Idle re-work (Michael)
+ graphical event processing issue
+ scheduler cleanup
+ true 'idle' 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Robinson, David, Michael S, Norbert, Cloph, Caolan, Eike, Andras,
  Sophie, Jacobo, Michael M, Jan I, Miklos, Bubli, Stephan, Bjoern,
  Jan-Marek, Olivier
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ update developer certification page (Sophie)
+ push removal of yet-another check on ZIP files (Jan-Marek)
+ Add a new 5.1 category for high-prio. bugs & to scripts (Robinson)
+ add a 4.4.7 to the release-plan (Cloph)
[ RC1 already created ].
+ talk to Alex wrt. design blog tomorrow (Cloph)
[ created, and Kendy has credentials 
(design.blog.documentfoundation.org]
+ look into writing DSO dependency check script (Stephan)
[ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19909/
  started something; what it does is check the libraries
  and executables; does anything contain a '/' ie. full-path
  doesnt' check for white or black-list of known good &
  bad libs yet.
 + example was of case where we bibisect repos depended on
   an unexpected system library.
 + would need to build a white-list, still a WIP ]
+ added Munich and Madrid Hackfests to Events page (Bjoern)
+ merge Widow/Orphan on by default (Justin)
+ 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=49f453755b72654ba454acc321210e8b040df714
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ please cleanup / merge mentoring page (JanI)
[ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert ]
+ UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael)
+ UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael)
+ Largo as a hack-fest venue ? chat to Dave (Robinson)
+ come up with a proposal for "abandoned" / "insufficient data"
  resolution in the bug-flow graph (Robinson)
[ lively discussion... ]
+ setup FOSDEM Hackfest wiki page with dates (Bjoern)
[ focusing on Munich / Madrid ]
+ book FOSDEM conf. room for board meeting (Florian/Bjoern?)
[ perhaps after not before to avoid hackfest conflict ]
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 4.4.6 / 5.0.3 retrospective
+ released as final
+ update check a bit later than usual.
+ bug on Win-XP, check for updates doesn't create a dialog
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95183
+ 4.4.7
+ RC1 tagged and pushed to mirrors; announce to public later.
+ 5.1.0 branch / feature-freeze: ~1 weeks out: Week 47
+ Robinson to take care of branching & tagging.
+ 5.0.4 status
+ RC1 / freeze week 48, 2x weeks out.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ will create a new Android Viewer later this week.
 
* Documentation (Miklos / Olivier)
+ Kendy released a new ver. of the help editing extension.
   + a number of new fixes.
+ cleaner contents of the generated help.
 
* UX Update (Bubli)
+ design meeting didn't happen yesterday
   + looking for a new / suitable time.
   + not found one that fits everyone.
+ continuing Tor's work on Impress transitions
   + tooltips as well as legends needed for translators.
 
* Further renaming in sw (Kendy/Miklos)
+ Kendy would again update the script so that Cloph can run it before the 
branch-off
+ new improvements to fix:
+ Sw*Frm -> Sw*Frame, Crsr -> Cursor
   -- now that sw::Frame is gone (specific to binary word filter)
+ script lives in: bin/rename-sw-abbreviations.sh
+ concern wrt. testing before commit (Norbert)
+ can test the script in advance (Miklos)
+ use more precise Clang plugins ? (Bjoern)
   + nail the comments too (Miklos)
AI: + run the script just before branch-off (Robinson)
 
* Crashtest update
+ 0 import failures, 0 export failures, 333 coverity issues
+ downward trend on new coverity results
+ mostly qa/ Java code (Norbert)
   + not delivered code, less critical.
+ asan+ubsan crashtest run, deferred.
 
* SolarMutex checks in writer for UNO API (Bjoern)
+ quick note; added some SolarMutex checks in
  SwClient/SwModify.
+ if anything ever touches them without that mutex -> broken.
+ found a few from subsequent-check
+ added 10x new SolarMutex bits; may not be the whole story.
+ if you find an assertion in stack-trace in dbgutil - should be easy to 
fix.
+ anyone doing OOP writer / UNO API, encouraged to run vs. dbgutil master
+ eg. Wollmux vs. a debug build would be interesting.
+ Grammar-checker, runs in a separate thread
+ errors.ubuntu.com - sometimes knocks itself out; locking ?
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ GNOME hack-fest in Madrid - Dec 2nd -> 4th (Jacobo)
  + sent an invitation to LibreOffice deployments in Spain
  + they may need funding to attend.
  + Wiki page pending - Bjoern working on it.
+ FOSDEM / Beta Co-working (Bjoern)
+ LiMux hackfest end of November 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Norbert, Stephan, Jan-Marek, Oliver, Sophie, Lionel, Robinson,
  Jacobo, Jan I, David, Bubli, Olivier, Thorstenb, Bjoern, Miklos,
  Michael S, Muthu, Eike, Kendy, Armin, Caolan, Andras
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ kind offer to setup an MSVC2015 tinderbox vs. master (Thorsten)
[ live and working, some problems with cppunit tests
  triggering a dialog with automatic debugging.
  Needs registry tweak to turn of debugging. ]
+ reach-out to Beta Co-working guy to book pre-FOSDEM hackfest (Bjoern)
[ mailed & response - just fine, promote them in the wiki pages.
  Asked for the 2x days before FOSDEM. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ add a 4.4.7 to the release-plan (Cloph)
+ please cleanup / merge mentoring page (JanI)
[ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert ]
+ UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael)
+ UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael)
+ talk to Alex wrt. design blog tomorrow (Cloph)
+ Largo as a hack-fest venue ? chat to Dave (Robinson)
+ come up with a proposal for "abandoned" / "insufficient data"
  resolution in the bug-flow graph (Robinson)
[ some ideas, will send mail after the call ]
 
* Release Engineering update (Robinson)
+ 4.4.6 / 5.0.3 retrospective
+ out now.
+ 4.4.7
+ RC1 / freeze week 46, 1 week out.
+ 5.1.0 branch / feature-freeze: ~2 weeks out: Week 47
+ had bug-hunting session with Alpha1 @ weekend.
+ 5.0.4 status
+ RC1 / freeze week 48, 3x weeks out.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ 4x CVEs release today (Bjoern)
+ people should be aware:
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/security/advisories/
+ Caolan updated the page, but needs crediting for the fixes.
 
* Introduction (Armin)
+ formerly Armin Weiss,
+ working on the code-base for ~15 yrs, from StarDivision, with Marco.
+ formerly at IBM, now at CIB.
+ working on LibreOffice immediately, starting now.
+ currently getting used to new stuff; gerrit, new builds etc.
+ warming up the fingers.
+ commit access for him? (Bubli)
=> adding him (Norbert) Done.
+ pushing to gerrit gives a free-build on all platforms in 30-40mins 
(Norbert)
+ it's awesome (Armin)
+ if have a patch, want to test, but don't want it to go through:
+ put a -1 self review on it; it helps.
+ also can use a +2 to avoid others reviewing things (Bjoern)
+ or makes people think you forgot to press the button (Kendy)
 
* Widow / Orphan controls on by default (Justin)
"I would like to request that someone give official endorsement
  to turning on widow/orphan controls by default for new
  documents.  I expect this probably fits ESC better than UI
  group.
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89714;
+ replied on the list, pretty old feature & stable (Miklos)
+ just a UX decision if it should be on/off.
+ not entirely UX (Bubli)
+ changes ODF export around styles (are they default styles)
+ from the bug report (JMux)
+ default value currently not saved in the doc.
+ all old documents without this would get it on load.
+ he intends that only new docs get it (Lionel)
+ Can we store this 'on/off' setting for Microsoft docs ? (Michael S)
+ by default on since MS Word 2003 - so improves interop (Lionel)
+ all for it in general; no opinion on implementation.
+ not necessary for UX to discuss it (Kendy)
=> as long as it doesn't break old docs - happy for it to go in
   with the new more interoperable default.
 
* Documentation (Kendy/Olivier)
+ someone working on online modification of help-files
 + Jay to encourage him to push that publicly.
 + in a while will need a VM from infra to test this.
+ more changes in help-authoring:
 + better image handling; new version needs releasing soon.
+ in the last week:
 + added nice new help pages from Lera Goncharuk (tagezi)
 + interested in cleaning trash from the help files too.
 + which may help translators too - avoiding redundant work.
 + Jay is updating the help for the menus & the authoring ext'n.
 + Regina & Eike did some work at the hackfest tool.
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ new icons 32pix vers of tango & Sifr as well.
+ code to enable 32pix icons coming soon.
+ need a switch in tools->options to enable them.
+ this Friday:
+ design session building ideas around NotebookBar.
+ ideally when Samuel is back
+ won't be (Bubli, Thorsten)
+ won't be only 1x session.
+ increased interest in new user statistics
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

o we need a mentor ? (Bubli)
+ to help new people with builds / code ptrs etc.
+ FOSDEM / Beta Co-working (Bjoern)
+ could we book a separate room for us ? (Bubli)
+ afterwards - could invite people to join in ? (Bjoern)
+ perhaps try it beforehand this time.
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Belgium another candidate ...
+ perhaps again at Las Palmas (Thorsten)
 
* l10n Update (Sophie)
+ no news, all going well.
+ question - about removing paragraph IDs from XML-help files (Kendy)
+ Olivier - says they are used somehow during translations.
+ how are they used ? would like to remove if possible.
+ suspect extraction depends on them (Andras)
+ must be unique in XHP file in order to dis-ambiguate
  identical English paragraphs (Christian)
+ in the source-code, same problem - but not an issue (Kendy)
+ can we make it non-mandatory and only for the
  strings that need this - to make XML human-readable.
+ can use shorter IDs - no problem (Andras)
+ just tweak the l10ntools as well (Miklos)
=> attempt to fix it.
 
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ pending 8 weeks ...
 
* Jenkins update (Norbert)
+ attempted fix of CLR locking issue (Michael)
+ copied key files temporarily before using them.
+ 2x builds in a row succesfully (Miklos)
+ perhaps it helped.
 
* Easy Hacks:
+ new easy-hacks thanks to:
+ Björn Michaelsen, Markus Mohrhard, Dennis Roczek
+ http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX
+ create your own by setting whiteboard to eg.
"easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup"
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
  (or remove the whiteboard keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
  
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needsDevEval
 
* Icon-sets (Bjoern)
+ how can we encourage people to start from scratch & get clean licensing ?
+ usually they start for some desktop env. (Kendy)
+ cf. Breeze started as KDE, etc.
=> policy - to keep Galaxy clean (Bjoern)
 
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED at 483
+ needAdvice at 15
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
+ tdf#76964 - Automatic capitalization of "i" in a non-english language
+ very problematic for Polish
+ i apologize about the 68 comments
+ tdf#94063 - EDITING References break when putting text behind them
+ tdf#91789 - UI:  Crash on exit after format header
+ bibisected
+ tdf#94689 - Crash on new file, close file, open file
+ Michael: work in progress?
+ tdf#94225 - Writer crashes on undo
+ long-standing, from before LibreOffice.
 
* QA stats
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+184-257(-73 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
QA Administrators 93
Dennis Roczek 25
Maxim Monastirsky 12
Joel Madero   12
    Julien Nabet  11
Beluga11
Michael Meeks  8
tommy278
V Stuart Foote 6
m.a.riosv  6
Lionel Elie Mamane 5
Yousuf (Jay) Philips   4
Cor Nouws  4
Alex Thurgood  4
Eike Rathke3
 
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.0: 11/47  - 20%
4.4: 10/70  - 14%
4.3: 6/67   -  8%
4.2: 12/132 -  9%
4.1: 4/79   -  5%
4.0: 11/81  - 13%
old: 39/246 - 16%
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 330/1074 324/1064 322/1047 324/1039 325/1029 330/1028 344/1028
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ stats are for two weeks ...
+ 686(+3) bugs open of 4339(+12) total 45(-3) high prio.
 
* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
  Calc - 19 (+0)
Writer - 14 (-2)
   LibreOffice -  7 (+0)
   Impress -  2 (-1)
UI -  1 (+0)
   filters and storage -  1 (+0)
  Base -  1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 
* ~Component   count net * all regressions
Writer - 232 (-1)
  Calc - 144 (+1)
   Impress -  51 (+2)
   Crashes -  51 (-1)
UI -  45 (+0)
   LibreOffice -  45 (+0)
   Borders -  28 (+1)
graphics stack -  27 (+1)
  Base -  24 (-2)
  Draw -  21 (+0)
   filters and storage -  16 (+1)
 Chart -  11 (-1)
Printing and PDF export-  11 (+0)
 BASIC -  10 (+0)
Formula Editor 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

 ? (Michael)
patches welcome.
 
* 4.3 MABs - what's the plan with them ? (Robinson)
+ Re-check and prioritize - will be prioritized.
AI: + get new queries for MAB-like bits for each release (Robinson)
+ Little tricky to capture all; just highest-prio for release series 
doable
+ MABs were hard-partitioned into groups for each release series.
were partitioned out into each release series.
+ please do send a description, and some sample queries.
 
* Easy Hacks:
+ new easy-hacks thanks to:
+ Michael Meeks x3
+ http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX
+ create your own by setting whiteboard to eg.
easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup
 
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED at 485
+ needAdvice at 15
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://bit.ly/1CIXqPZ
+ can we filter NEEDINFO out of this ? (Michael)
+ Yep: http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
 
+ tdf#92478 - Scanning crashes on 64bit Windows 10 build
+ Still present
 
+ tdf#93600 - Condition Formatting: Entering = in comparison value 
crashes program
+ Another crash, Bubli looked into it.
 
+ tdf#93437 - Once the Function Wizard has been Displayed, it is
  not Possible to Select Columns or Rows or to Open
  the Context Menu of Columns and Rows
+ fixed. Thanks to Bubli.
 
+ tdf#91882 - UI: Dialogue for Advanced filter is transparent.
+ persists with 5.x builds
= poking (Michael)
 
* Bibisected regressions (Bjoern)
+ 25 open 5.0 bibisected regressions
+ dug through the writer ones
+ couple of Miklos / formatting bits.
+ many other rendercontext issues
   + not like that in other apps.
   + are they marked to the tracker (Michael)
  + please mark as blocking tdf#91488.
+ 1000+ regressions bibisected since the start
+ a bit more - if count those 'bisected'
AI:+ find  reward / promote whomever did the 1000'th (Robinson)
+ volunteer at Texas Linux Fest (Ryan Nowakowski)
+ interested in writing the windows bibisect frontend: awesome.
 
* QA stats
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+140-100(+40 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Xisco Faulí   18
Maxim Monastirsky 13
V Stuart Foote 7
Joel Madero6
raal   6
Michael Meeks  4
m.a.riosv  4
Katarina Behrens (CIB) 3
Matthew Francis3
Cor Nouws  3
Alex Thurgood  2
sophie 2
David Fischer  2
Pierre Fortin  2
Julien Nabet   2
 
* Open 5.0 MAB
  + 1/12 1/12 1/12 1/12 1/12 1/12 1/12 1/12 2/12 2/12 3/12 5/11
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=86696hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.4 MAB
  + 11/60 11/60 11/60 11/60 10/60 10/60 10/60 10/60 12/60 14/61 16/61
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 59/168 59/168 59/168 61/168 61/168 61/168 62/168 62/168 64/169 65/169
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025hide_resolved=1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 345/1020 338/1006 328/991 314/964 309/956 311/951 305/936 305/931
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 616(+5) bugs open of 4137(+25) total 40(-2) high prio.
 
* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
  Calc - 16 (-1)
Writer -  9 (+0)
   LibreOffice -  7 (+0)
   Impress -  5 (+0)
UI -  1 (+0)
   filters and storage -  1 (+0)
  Base -  1 (+0)
  Draw -  0 (-1)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 
* ~Component   count net * all regressions
Writer - 208 (+1)
  Calc - 124 (+5)
   Impress - 47 (-1)
   Crashes - 43 (+2)
   LibreOffice - 38 (+1)
UI - 37 (-4)
  Base - 26 (+0)
graphics stack - 24 (+0)
   Borders - 23 (+0)
  Draw - 21 (+0)
   filters and storage - 13 (+0)
 Chart - 11 (+1)
Printing and PDF export- 10 (+0)
 BASIC -  7 (+0)
 framework -  5 (+0)
Linguistic -  4 (+0)
Formula Editor -  4 (+0)
Extensions -  2 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Cedric, Christian, Eike, Caolan, Michael M, Andras, Norbert, Robinson,
  Bubli, Thorsten, Sophie, Noel, Michael S
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with a fun new name for 'blocker' (Robinson)
+ suggestions: 'worstest', 'black hole', 'ultimate'
+ concerned about the name 'blocker' (Michael)
AI: + come back with some more sensible names (Robinson)
+ check 'make check' on a Windows 32bit box instead (Norbert)
[ new windows machine turned up, now building dbgutil for mac.
  every time try to 'make check' on Windows - it fails
  have capacity to run it if it will run. ]
AI:   look at make check on win32 again if interested ? (Michael S)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ have a look at the CppUnit to implement 'expected failure' (Jan-Marek)
[ investigated the current CPPUNIT version and Qt test suite,
  will be able to hack on that the next week @DebCamp ]
+ 'make -k stagingcheck' prototype (Bjoern)
+ have a look at revert notification (author + committer + the person who 
reverted) (Norbert)
+ review Giuseppe's webdav work in gerrit (Kendy/?)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/17189/
[ Merged a couple of patches (Michael) ]
+ re-arrange the help XML for the menu changes (Jay)
[ Jay was away for vacation, promised to have a look at
  HelpAuthoring.oxt over the weekend (Kendy) ]
+ UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael)
+ UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael)
+ promote Development Mentoring Lead Job Offer through all channels: 
Universities, Companies, Clubs, ex-GSoCers etc. (all)
  
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/15/tdf-freelance-job-opening-201507-01-development-mentoring-lead/
[ need more applicants, help appreciated pwrt. finding experienced 
candidates ]
+ create under-the-hood wiki page to accumulate for 5.1 (DTardon)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 4.4.6 - status
+ RC1 - week 40 (week starting 28th September)
+ last of the 4.4 line
+ 5.0.1 - RC2
+ tagged today or tomorrow by Robinson
+ 3x patches waiting in gerrit currently.
+ 2x only need 1x extra review.
+ heavy-duty triple-review process for libreoffice-5-0-1 branch
+ Major bugs
+ scanning crashes on 64bit Windows build (Cloph)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92478
+ selecting a train source crashes on 64bit Windows, but no
  such issue in 32bit Windows - not fixed for 5.0.1
+ some translations cut off
+ not related to help untraslated though
+ caused by obsolete strings mixed into the file, not
  at the end.
 + this has solved the problem for TDF.
+ some toolchain problem with some Linux distros (Rene?)
 + German help - front-page is not translated eg. (Cloph)
 + easy to spot if it's an issue.
+ perhaps some po syntax errors tooling doesn't like.
+ 5.0 project being set up in pootle
  + translators mostly focusing on 5.0 project.
  + if completion rate is high - can also translate master.
+ Late Feature Status (Michael)
  + OpenGL / double-buffer RenderContext (Kendy)
  + still ongoing (Miklos)
  + let's see what's the state at the next week's ESC 
(Kendy)
  + OpenGL by default to be re-visit @ ESC for 5.0.2 for some 
H/W on Windows.
  + tripple review needed - re-visit it later.
  + lots of fixing going on.
+ Android  iOS Remote
+ question from freedroid guys on closed-source deps (Thorsten)
+ don't think we're using any (Cloph)
+ will re-send mail (wrt. google-play wearable bits) (Cloph)
   + the watch bits.
AI: + need a conditional to disable this for freedroid (Cloph)
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ Kendy on vacation.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ move to flat ODT progress / filter issues ?
 
* Crashtest update (Caolán)
+ 1 import failures, 3 export failures, 1 coverity warnings
   + all fixed again
   + coverity - false positive.
   + crash-testing - a single issue.
+ a new file-format loading app to LibreOffice
   + fftester ~1000x faster than fat app.
  + much fast fuzzing finding lots of hangs
(few crashers)
  + hard to see the trajectory yet; will try to
time gaps between discoveries.
 
* GSoC (Cedric/Thorsten)
+ Next important dates:
+ Evaluations starting tomorrow
+ Aug. 28: final evaluations deadline
+ Time to start writing wrapup blog post
AI: + ask students to write their own wrap-ups to aggregate (Cedric)
   = get 

[libreoffice-projects] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] LibreOffice 5.0 Draft Messaging

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Italo,

Drat - I missed the meeting yesterday.

On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 11:19 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote:
 - third generation of LibreOffice: first generation code cleaning
 (LibreOffice 3.x), second generation refactoring (LibreOffice 4.0),
 third generation multiplatform and user interface (LibreOffice 5.0)

I think the emphasis I'm missing here is re-iterating that a
point-zero-zero release and the major changes that have gone into 5.0
make it a start - and not the pinnacle of 5.0.x's stability =)

Otherwise, looks good to me.

ATB,

Michael.

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[Michael Meeks]

:18  ko:2 fail   ratio:9.99%  break:2 broken 
duration:47.79%
gerrit win rel   jobs:260 ok:155 ko:105 fail ratio:40.38%
gerrit lin rel   jobs:258 ok:229 ko:29 fail  ratio:11.24%
gerrit mac rel   jobs:261 ok:227 ko:33 fail  ratio:12.64%
gerrit all   jobs:258 ok:150 ko:107 fail ratio:41.47%
 
Two new boxes:
  + new windows box online, donated by Bytemark : tb68-bytemark (16 cores, 
dual socket, intel E5530)
  + new Mac box online, acquired by TDF : tb69 (MacPro 12 core)
  + lots of B/W for mac builds.
  + dedicated windows boxes for hosting in Germany coming
  + currently using a big EC2/Amazon instance for Win builds.
  + hope to replace that with 2x big Linux.
  + we have the paperwork done to actually order the windows box.
  + ie. will have doubled capacity vs. what we had last week.
  + takes another 2x weeks or so.
 
* Easy Hacks:
+ new easy-hacks thanks to:
+ Katarina Behrens
+ http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX
+ create your own by setting whiteboard to eg.
easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup
 
* Regression / Tendering Ideas (Michael)
+ out of time, straggling votes (and tasks)
+ deadline for E-mail scores by 00:00 tomorrow (UK time)
   - would like complete scores form people.
  + don't forget Thorsten and/or Bjoern's new items.
+ post a sheet  order  send it to the board.
 
* Do we need Blocker severity in Bugzilla? (Robinson)
  + Rarely/never used correctly
  + misleading too (Michael)
  + could we just rename it ? reduce config touch.
  + mark maj/crit/
AI:   + come up with a fun name (Robinson)
  + QA happy to see removed/renamed * QA (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED at 398
+ needAdvice at 11
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://bit.ly/1CIXqPZ
   + priority highest in the last week ...
+ tdf#92687 - Rendering: Rotated text blurry and unreadable in 5.1's 
charts
   + Bibisected
+ tdf#92653 - EDITING: cannot drag selection
   + Common functionality -- fix before we see dupes
+ tdf#91574 - SLIDESHOW: presenter console background and buttons not 
shown during slideshow
   + Looks messy; anything to discuss?
+ death of MAB ?
  + Joel created patch to restrict access to Severity/Priority
+ temporarily reverted due to unexpected side effects
   + affected the bug status in interesting ways
  + could no longer change status properly.
  + debugging / working on a less intrusive patch.
 
* QA stats:
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+130-90(+40 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Maxim Monastirsky 10
Adolfo Jayme   7
Andras Timar   7
Eike Rathke6
Gordo  5
Caolán McNamara4
Michael Meeks  3
Stephan Bergmann   3
Justin L   3
Timur  3
Miklos Vajna   2
Joel Madero2
Beluga 2
Carlos Rodriguez   2
m.a.riosv  2
 
* Open 5.0 MAB
  + 1/12 1/12 2/12 2/12 3/12 5/11 6/12 5/11 6/11 5/9 6/9 5/8 5/8 4/7
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=86696hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.4 MAB
  + 10/60 10/60 12/60 14/61 16/61 17/61 17/61 16/60 19/60 15/56 16/56
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 62/168 62/168 64/169 65/169 72/169 73/170 75/170 78/170 77/169 77/169
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025hide_resolved=1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 305/936 305/931 310/925 310/921 320/915 330/909 329/898 335/895 333/874
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 601(+11) bugs open of 4020(+23) total, 40(+0) high prio.
 
* ~Component   count net * high prio. regressions
  Calc - 14 (+1)
Writer -  9 (-1)
   Impress -  6 (+0)
   LibreOffice -  6 (+0)
UI -  1 (+1)
Formula Editor -  1 (+1)
   filters and storage -  1 (+0)
  Base -  1 (+0)
+ above as a list: http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
+ complete table:  http://bit.ly/1JQ3z4A
 
* ~Component   count net *
Writer - 208 (+0)
  Calc - 114 (+2)
   Impress - 51  (+1)
   Crashes - 45  (+2)
   LibreOffice - 40  (+1)
UI - 36  (+1)
graphics stack - 25  (+1)
   Borders - 24  (+2)
  Draw - 20  (+0)
  Base - 20  (+1)
   filters and storage - 12  (+0)
 Chart - 11  (+0)
 Printing / PDF export - 10  (+0)
 framework -  5  (+0

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

+ hope this doesn't happen next time - since translating master in 
parallel.
 
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ pending / shelved for now - wait 6 weeks.
 
* Commit Access (Miklos)
+ proposed: Mike Kaganski - has some 10-15 patches included
+ all but 1x fixing a non-trivial problem; couldn't push
  to a private branch the other day.
= go ahead.
 
* Jenkins update (Norbert)
+ missing  missed.
 
* Easy Hacks:
+ new easy-hacks thanks to:
+ no new easy-hacks
+ http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX
+ create your own by setting whiteboard to eg.
easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup
 
* Regression / Tendering Ideas (Michael)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/RegressionIdeas
AI: + mail people to ask wrt. ranking  consolidate for board (Michael)
 
* Security (Bjoern)
+ OpenSSL issues appear not to affect the version we ship.
+ would appreciate a double-check.
AI: + ping paranoid security guys (Michael)
 
* Mentoring lead (Bjoern)
+ someone technical  competent (Michael)
+ can we find someone to fill the role ?
+ perhaps good for a student / post-doc etc.
+ otherwise accepted; lets try it.
 
* QA (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED at 402
+ needAdvice at 16
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://bit.ly/1CIXqPZ
   + priority highest in the last week ...
+ tdf#89554 - EDITING: Dragging table to other page causes crash
   + Longstanding crash (Inherited from OOo)
   + we get a lot of crashes (Michael)
   + 43 open regression crashes - more pressing
   + harder to reproduce in the past (Robinson)
+ tdf#92639 - Recent Files not shown in Start Center thumbnails and 
File/Recent Documents menu
   + Recent issue bisected - Stephan presumably looking at it.
+ tdf#92573 - Writer crash when attempting to open one file.
   + crash-testing bug-set is a static set (Caolan)
  + only when all cleared will we update it.
  + will update after 2x consecutive 0x0 reports.
+ pushing some more BZ changes over the next few days
+ testing today killing the MAB bits  merge today / tomorrow.
 
* QA stats:
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+145-121(+24 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Maxim Monastirsky 10
Adolfo Jayme  10
Björn Michaelsen   9
Andras Timar   8
Gordo  7
Beluga 7
Alex Thurgood  7
Markus Mohrhard5
Michael Meeks  4
Caolán McNamara4
Miklos Vajna   4
m.a.riosv  3
tommy273
Cor Nouws  3
steve -_-  2
 
* Open 5.0 MAB
  + 1/12 2/12 2/12 3/12 5/11 6/12 5/11 6/11 5/9 6/9 5/8 5/8 4/7 2/5 0/3
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=86696hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.4 MAB
  + 10/60 12/60 14/61 16/61 17/61 17/61 16/60 19/60 15/56 16/56 15/53
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 62/168 64/169 65/169 72/169 73/170 75/170 78/170 77/169 77/169 78/167
  + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025hide_resolved=1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
  + 305/931 310/925 310/921 320/915 330/909 329/898 335/895 333/874 337/869
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 590(-4) bugs open of 3997(+26) total, 40(-4) high severity
 
* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
  Calc - 14 (+0)
Writer - 10 (-3)
   Impress -  6 (+0)
   LibreOffice -  6 (-1)
Formula Editor -  1 (+1)
   filters and storage -  1 (+0)
  Base -  1 (+0)
UI -  0 (-1)
 Chart -  0 (-1)
+ above as a list: http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
+ complete table:  http://bit.ly/1JQ3z4A
 
* ~Component   count net *
Writer - 208 (-2)
  Calc - 112 (-1)
   Impress - 50  (+1)
   Crashes - 43  (-4)
   LibreOffice - 39  (+0)
UI - 35  (+0)
graphics stack - 24  (+0)
   Borders - 22  (+0)
  Draw - 20  (+0)
  Base - 19  (+0)
   filters and storage - 12  (+1)
 Chart - 11  (-1)
 Printing / PDF export - 10  (+1)
 framework -  5  (+1)
 BASIC -  5  (+0)
Formula Editor -  5  (+0)
Extensions -  2  (-1)
   sdk -  1  (+0)
Linguistic -  1  (+0)
  Installation -  0  (-1)
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
+ http://bit.ly