Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.

2002-10-19 Thread Alfonso Baz
Hi Ivan...

Thanks for the analogy correction, I LMFAO!!! 8-)

I regretted posting the email the minute I clicked the send button...
It was the end of a long and stressful day and I'd just finished watching an
hour of bad late night news, I hopped on the net and decided to peruse this
forum to take my mind off things and the rest is cyber-history...

I apologise to you and all offended for shooting my mouth off. ;-)

Sincerely
Alfonso Baz

- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.


  An intelligent civilized human would try and understand why criminals
are
  criminals and fix that problem.

 Alfonso:

 You can see my cranium on display at the Smithsonian Museum of
Anthropology
 in the Neanderthal section.  In spite of my primitive lineage, I walk
 upright, know how to make fire (by pushing the light button on my gas
 grill), make tools, speak a primitive language known as geek (80% of the
 words are acronyms), and am even capable of designing electronic circuits
 that actually work!  ;-)

 Your analogy about the fuse is faulty.  People are not electronic
 components.  If people were electronic components, here is how crime would
 transpire:

 1) A component shorts out (i.e. a transistor).  The transistor is now a
 criminal.  If he is a small-time criminal, he is in a SOT-23 case.  If he
is
 a big-time criminal, he is in a TO-220 or TO-3 case.

 2) The criminal transistor moves around to other components on the board,
 killing them and stealing their color bands, enamel, or epoxy
encapsulation.
 That's like stealing the shirt off a person's back.

 3) The criminal transistor is chased around the PCB by red and blue
flashing
 LEDs and piezo buzzers.  If the transistor comes to the end of a PCB
trace,
 he jumps over to an adjacent one and the pursuit continues.  Occasionaly,
 the transistor jumps to another PCB, which is analogous to escaping the
 country.

 4) Once the criminal transistor is caught, he is put into protective
custody
 (anti-static foam) until a trial begins.

 5) The trial is presided over by a microprocessor as judge.  The jury
 consists of various components of all types, but most are low-quality
 rejects, because the defense bins the jurors and tosses out the
high-quality
 ones.

 6) The prosection is a dual comparator configured as window comparator, to
 show how the accused actions are outside the range of what is legally
 acceptable.

 7) The defense is random noise generator followed by a high gain stage,
 which attempts to drive the jurors into saturation with random noise.

 8) The jury suffers latch-up, and cannot arrive at a guilty verdict.
 Sometimes, the microprocessor judge may obtain some operating current
 through the input protection diodes on his I/O pin that interfaces with
the
 defense.  This is known as a bribe.  Unfortunately, the watchdog does not
 reset the judge, because the watchdog was not enabled.

 9) Unable to be convicted, the criminal transistor is freed.  Some time
 later, he strikes again and the cycle repeats.

 Best regards,
 Ivan Baggett
 Bagotronix Inc.
 website:  www.bagotronix.com


 - Original Message -
 From: Alfonso Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.


  I didn't join this forum to hear some dumb ass yank rave on about guns!!
 
  The wild west is well and truly over cowboy...
 
  Jeez any wonder bush is turning the world upside down, with citizens and
  attitudes like this we'll never have a peaceful worldwide community.
  An intelligent civilized human would try and understand why criminals
are
  criminals and fix that problem.
 
  If a 2A fuse blows you don't stick a 10A fuse in to fix the problem, you
  find what's causing the excess load and fix that!!
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
 
 
Baseball bats are also sometimes used as weapons, if you don't have
a
  gun
handy (yes, in the U.S. you can still
own guns, thank God!).

   
Ivan, I am sure the people especially in the Washington area are
very
pleased about this fact at the moment.
  
   I don't know if it's still the case, but not long ago it was illegal
to
  own
   a gun in the Washington DC area.  This is in spite of the fact that
the
  Bill
   of Rights enumerates the right to keep and bear arms.  And during that
  time,
   the Washington DC murder and crime rate was among the worst in the
U.S.
  If
   gun ownership is still illegal in the Washington area, that didn't
stop
  the
   sniper, did it?
  
   Criminals will always have guns.  Criminals don't worry about whether

Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.

2002-10-18 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
 An intelligent civilized human would try and understand why criminals are
 criminals and fix that problem.

Alfonso:

You can see my cranium on display at the Smithsonian Museum of Anthropology
in the Neanderthal section.  In spite of my primitive lineage, I walk
upright, know how to make fire (by pushing the light button on my gas
grill), make tools, speak a primitive language known as geek (80% of the
words are acronyms), and am even capable of designing electronic circuits
that actually work!  ;-)

Your analogy about the fuse is faulty.  People are not electronic
components.  If people were electronic components, here is how crime would
transpire:

1) A component shorts out (i.e. a transistor).  The transistor is now a
criminal.  If he is a small-time criminal, he is in a SOT-23 case.  If he is
a big-time criminal, he is in a TO-220 or TO-3 case.

2) The criminal transistor moves around to other components on the board,
killing them and stealing their color bands, enamel, or epoxy encapsulation.
That's like stealing the shirt off a person's back.

3) The criminal transistor is chased around the PCB by red and blue flashing
LEDs and piezo buzzers.  If the transistor comes to the end of a PCB trace,
he jumps over to an adjacent one and the pursuit continues.  Occasionaly,
the transistor jumps to another PCB, which is analogous to escaping the
country.

4) Once the criminal transistor is caught, he is put into protective custody
(anti-static foam) until a trial begins.

5) The trial is presided over by a microprocessor as judge.  The jury
consists of various components of all types, but most are low-quality
rejects, because the defense bins the jurors and tosses out the high-quality
ones.

6) The prosection is a dual comparator configured as window comparator, to
show how the accused actions are outside the range of what is legally
acceptable.

7) The defense is random noise generator followed by a high gain stage,
which attempts to drive the jurors into saturation with random noise.

8) The jury suffers latch-up, and cannot arrive at a guilty verdict.
Sometimes, the microprocessor judge may obtain some operating current
through the input protection diodes on his I/O pin that interfaces with the
defense.  This is known as a bribe.  Unfortunately, the watchdog does not
reset the judge, because the watchdog was not enabled.

9) Unable to be convicted, the criminal transistor is freed.  Some time
later, he strikes again and the cycle repeats.

Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:  www.bagotronix.com


- Original Message -
From: Alfonso Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.


 I didn't join this forum to hear some dumb ass yank rave on about guns!!

 The wild west is well and truly over cowboy...

 Jeez any wonder bush is turning the world upside down, with citizens and
 attitudes like this we'll never have a peaceful worldwide community.
 An intelligent civilized human would try and understand why criminals are
 criminals and fix that problem.

 If a 2A fuse blows you don't stick a 10A fuse in to fix the problem, you
 find what's causing the excess load and fix that!!


 - Original Message -
 From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.


   Baseball bats are also sometimes used as weapons, if you don't have a
 gun
   handy (yes, in the U.S. you can still
   own guns, thank God!).
   
  
   Ivan, I am sure the people especially in the Washington area are very
   pleased about this fact at the moment.
 
  I don't know if it's still the case, but not long ago it was illegal to
 own
  a gun in the Washington DC area.  This is in spite of the fact that the
 Bill
  of Rights enumerates the right to keep and bear arms.  And during that
 time,
  the Washington DC murder and crime rate was among the worst in the U.S.
 If
  gun ownership is still illegal in the Washington area, that didn't stop
 the
  sniper, did it?
 
  Criminals will always have guns.  Criminals don't worry about whether or
 not
  they are breaking a particular gun control law, or any law for that
 matter.
  That's why they are called criminals.  ;-)
 
  Private ownership of guns has a certain deterrence factor.  If a
criminal
  thinks you might have a gun, he will be less likely to commit an act of
  violence against you.  If you have a gun, and the criminal is crazy
enough
  to attack you anyway, you can shoot him.  Then he will be dead, commit
no
  more acts of violence, and justice will have been better served than by
 any
  court system and prison sentence.
 
  That said, before you start a Protel session, put away your guns...
 
  Best regards,
  Ivan Baggett
  Bagotronix Inc.
  website:  www.bagotronix.com
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: 

Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.

2002-10-18 Thread Tony Karavidas
LOL Oh my God, that is the funniest thing I've read all month!!!

Only Ivan could come up with that!!! Bravo!



 -Original Message-
 From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:techsupport;bagotronix.com] 
 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:25 AM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.
 
 
  An intelligent civilized human would try and understand why 
 criminals 
  are criminals and fix that problem.
 
 Alfonso:
 
 You can see my cranium on display at the Smithsonian Museum 
 of Anthropology in the Neanderthal section.  In spite of my 
 primitive lineage, I walk upright, know how to make fire (by 
 pushing the light button on my gas grill), make tools, 
 speak a primitive language known as geek (80% of the words 
 are acronyms), and am even capable of designing electronic 
 circuits that actually work!  ;-)
 
 Your analogy about the fuse is faulty.  People are not 
 electronic components.  If people were electronic components, 
 here is how crime would
 transpire:
 
 1) A component shorts out (i.e. a transistor).  The 
 transistor is now a criminal.  If he is a small-time 
 criminal, he is in a SOT-23 case.  If he is a big-time 
 criminal, he is in a TO-220 or TO-3 case.
 
 2) The criminal transistor moves around to other components 
 on the board, killing them and stealing their color bands, 
 enamel, or epoxy encapsulation. That's like stealing the 
 shirt off a person's back.
 
 3) The criminal transistor is chased around the PCB by red 
 and blue flashing LEDs and piezo buzzers.  If the transistor 
 comes to the end of a PCB trace, he jumps over to an adjacent 
 one and the pursuit continues.  Occasionaly, the transistor 
 jumps to another PCB, which is analogous to escaping the country.
 
 4) Once the criminal transistor is caught, he is put into 
 protective custody (anti-static foam) until a trial begins.
 
 5) The trial is presided over by a microprocessor as judge.  
 The jury consists of various components of all types, but 
 most are low-quality rejects, because the defense bins the 
 jurors and tosses out the high-quality ones.
 
 6) The prosection is a dual comparator configured as window 
 comparator, to show how the accused actions are outside the 
 range of what is legally acceptable.
 
 7) The defense is random noise generator followed by a high 
 gain stage, which attempts to drive the jurors into 
 saturation with random noise.
 
 8) The jury suffers latch-up, and cannot arrive at a guilty 
 verdict. Sometimes, the microprocessor judge may obtain some 
 operating current through the input protection diodes on his 
 I/O pin that interfaces with the defense.  This is known as a 
 bribe.  Unfortunately, the watchdog does not reset the judge, 
 because the watchdog was not enabled.
 
 9) Unable to be convicted, the criminal transistor is freed.  
 Some time later, he strikes again and the cycle repeats.
 
 Best regards,
 Ivan Baggett
 Bagotronix Inc.
 website:  www.bagotronix.com
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Alfonso Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
 
 
  I didn't join this forum to hear some dumb ass yank rave on about 
  guns!!
 
  The wild west is well and truly over cowboy...
 
  Jeez any wonder bush is turning the world upside down, with 
 citizens 
  and attitudes like this we'll never have a peaceful worldwide 
  community. An intelligent civilized human would try and 
 understand why 
  criminals are criminals and fix that problem.
 
  If a 2A fuse blows you don't stick a 10A fuse in to fix the 
 problem, 
  you find what's causing the excess load and fix that!!
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
 
 
Baseball bats are also sometimes used as weapons, if you don't 
have a
  gun
handy (yes, in the U.S. you can still
own guns, thank God!).

   
Ivan, I am sure the people especially in the Washington 
 area are 
very pleased about this fact at the moment.
  
   I don't know if it's still the case, but not long ago it 
 was illegal 
   to
  own
   a gun in the Washington DC area.  This is in spite of the 
 fact that 
   the
  Bill
   of Rights enumerates the right to keep and bear arms.  And during 
   that
  time,
   the Washington DC murder and crime rate was among the 
 worst in the 
   U.S.
  If
   gun ownership is still illegal in the Washington area, 
 that didn't 
   stop
  the
   sniper, did it?
  
   Criminals will always have guns.  Criminals don't worry about 
   whether or
  not
   they are breaking a particular gun control law, or any 
 law for that
  matter.
   That's why they are called criminals.  ;-)
  
   Private ownership of guns has a certain deterrence factor.  If a
 criminal

Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.

2002-10-18 Thread Tony Karavidas
So in America, where stun guns are legal, a posse of stun-gun-toting
citizens might band together and go zap that transistor criminal...for
good.

Vigilantism often does shock a community.



 -Original Message-
 From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:techsupport;bagotronix.com] 
 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:25 AM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.
 
 
  An intelligent civilized human would try and understand why 
 criminals 
  are criminals and fix that problem.
 
 Alfonso:
 
 You can see my cranium on display at the Smithsonian Museum 
 of Anthropology in the Neanderthal section.  In spite of my 
 primitive lineage, I walk upright, know how to make fire (by 
 pushing the light button on my gas grill), make tools, 
 speak a primitive language known as geek (80% of the words 
 are acronyms), and am even capable of designing electronic 
 circuits that actually work!  ;-)
 
 Your analogy about the fuse is faulty.  People are not 
 electronic components.  If people were electronic components, 
 here is how crime would
 transpire:
 
 1) A component shorts out (i.e. a transistor).  The 
 transistor is now a criminal.  If he is a small-time 
 criminal, he is in a SOT-23 case.  If he is a big-time 
 criminal, he is in a TO-220 or TO-3 case.
 
 2) The criminal transistor moves around to other components 
 on the board, killing them and stealing their color bands, 
 enamel, or epoxy encapsulation. That's like stealing the 
 shirt off a person's back.
 
 3) The criminal transistor is chased around the PCB by red 
 and blue flashing LEDs and piezo buzzers.  If the transistor 
 comes to the end of a PCB trace, he jumps over to an adjacent 
 one and the pursuit continues.  Occasionaly, the transistor 
 jumps to another PCB, which is analogous to escaping the country.
 
 4) Once the criminal transistor is caught, he is put into 
 protective custody (anti-static foam) until a trial begins.
 
 5) The trial is presided over by a microprocessor as judge.  
 The jury consists of various components of all types, but 
 most are low-quality rejects, because the defense bins the 
 jurors and tosses out the high-quality ones.
 
 6) The prosection is a dual comparator configured as window 
 comparator, to show how the accused actions are outside the 
 range of what is legally acceptable.
 
 7) The defense is random noise generator followed by a high 
 gain stage, which attempts to drive the jurors into 
 saturation with random noise.
 
 8) The jury suffers latch-up, and cannot arrive at a guilty 
 verdict. Sometimes, the microprocessor judge may obtain some 
 operating current through the input protection diodes on his 
 I/O pin that interfaces with the defense.  This is known as a 
 bribe.  Unfortunately, the watchdog does not reset the judge, 
 because the watchdog was not enabled.
 
 9) Unable to be convicted, the criminal transistor is freed.  
 Some time later, he strikes again and the cycle repeats.
 
 Best regards,
 Ivan Baggett
 Bagotronix Inc.
 website:  www.bagotronix.com
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Alfonso Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
 
 
  I didn't join this forum to hear some dumb ass yank rave on about 
  guns!!
 
  The wild west is well and truly over cowboy...
 
  Jeez any wonder bush is turning the world upside down, with 
 citizens 
  and attitudes like this we'll never have a peaceful worldwide 
  community. An intelligent civilized human would try and 
 understand why 
  criminals are criminals and fix that problem.
 
  If a 2A fuse blows you don't stick a 10A fuse in to fix the 
 problem, 
  you find what's causing the excess load and fix that!!
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
 
 
Baseball bats are also sometimes used as weapons, if you don't 
have a
  gun
handy (yes, in the U.S. you can still
own guns, thank God!).

   
Ivan, I am sure the people especially in the Washington 
 area are 
very pleased about this fact at the moment.
  
   I don't know if it's still the case, but not long ago it 
 was illegal 
   to
  own
   a gun in the Washington DC area.  This is in spite of the 
 fact that 
   the
  Bill
   of Rights enumerates the right to keep and bear arms.  And during 
   that
  time,
   the Washington DC murder and crime rate was among the 
 worst in the 
   U.S.
  If
   gun ownership is still illegal in the Washington area, 
 that didn't 
   stop
  the
   sniper, did it?
  
   Criminals will always have guns.  Criminals don't worry about 
   whether or
  not
   they are breaking a particular gun control law, or any 
 law for that
  matter.
   That's why they are called criminals

Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.

2002-10-18 Thread Joe Sapienza
Tony, even in America stun guns are not legal everywhere. Some towns and
states say they are for police only. But you can in most places buy machine
guns if you pay the Govt. their $200 transfer tax



- Original Message -
From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.


 So in America, where stun guns are legal, a posse of stun-gun-toting
 citizens might band together and go zap that transistor criminal...for
 good.

 Vigilantism often does shock a community.



  -Original Message-
  From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:techsupport;bagotronix.com]
  Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:25 AM
  To: Protel EDA Forum
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.
 
 
   An intelligent civilized human would try and understand why
  criminals
   are criminals and fix that problem.
 
  Alfonso:
 
  You can see my cranium on display at the Smithsonian Museum
  of Anthropology in the Neanderthal section.  In spite of my
  primitive lineage, I walk upright, know how to make fire (by
  pushing the light button on my gas grill), make tools,
  speak a primitive language known as geek (80% of the words
  are acronyms), and am even capable of designing electronic
  circuits that actually work!  ;-)
 
  Your analogy about the fuse is faulty.  People are not
  electronic components.  If people were electronic components,
  here is how crime would
  transpire:
 
  1) A component shorts out (i.e. a transistor).  The
  transistor is now a criminal.  If he is a small-time
  criminal, he is in a SOT-23 case.  If he is a big-time
  criminal, he is in a TO-220 or TO-3 case.
 
  2) The criminal transistor moves around to other components
  on the board, killing them and stealing their color bands,
  enamel, or epoxy encapsulation. That's like stealing the
  shirt off a person's back.
 
  3) The criminal transistor is chased around the PCB by red
  and blue flashing LEDs and piezo buzzers.  If the transistor
  comes to the end of a PCB trace, he jumps over to an adjacent
  one and the pursuit continues.  Occasionaly, the transistor
  jumps to another PCB, which is analogous to escaping the country.
 
  4) Once the criminal transistor is caught, he is put into
  protective custody (anti-static foam) until a trial begins.
 
  5) The trial is presided over by a microprocessor as judge.
  The jury consists of various components of all types, but
  most are low-quality rejects, because the defense bins the
  jurors and tosses out the high-quality ones.
 
  6) The prosection is a dual comparator configured as window
  comparator, to show how the accused actions are outside the
  range of what is legally acceptable.
 
  7) The defense is random noise generator followed by a high
  gain stage, which attempts to drive the jurors into
  saturation with random noise.
 
  8) The jury suffers latch-up, and cannot arrive at a guilty
  verdict. Sometimes, the microprocessor judge may obtain some
  operating current through the input protection diodes on his
  I/O pin that interfaces with the defense.  This is known as a
  bribe.  Unfortunately, the watchdog does not reset the judge,
  because the watchdog was not enabled.
 
  9) Unable to be convicted, the criminal transistor is freed.
  Some time later, he strikes again and the cycle repeats.
 
  Best regards,
  Ivan Baggett
  Bagotronix Inc.
  website:  www.bagotronix.com
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Alfonso Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
 
 
   I didn't join this forum to hear some dumb ass yank rave on about
   guns!!
  
   The wild west is well and truly over cowboy...
  
   Jeez any wonder bush is turning the world upside down, with
  citizens
   and attitudes like this we'll never have a peaceful worldwide
   community. An intelligent civilized human would try and
  understand why
   criminals are criminals and fix that problem.
  
   If a 2A fuse blows you don't stick a 10A fuse in to fix the
  problem,
   you find what's causing the excess load and fix that!!
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:09 AM
   Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
  
  
 Baseball bats are also sometimes used as weapons, if you don't
 have a
   gun
 handy (yes, in the U.S. you can still
 own guns, thank God!).
 

 Ivan, I am sure the people especially in the Washington
  area are
 very pleased about this fact at the moment.
   
I don't know if it's still the case, but not long ago it
  was illegal
to
   own
a gun in the Washington DC area.  This is in spite of the
  fact that
the
   Bill
of Rights enumerates the right to keep and bear arms

Re: [PEDA] OT: Troubleshooting.

2002-10-18 Thread HxEngr
PREROTFL!! :-)

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