Re: [protest-ro] Re: Cotidianul - Catedrala Neamului mintuieste Casa Poporului

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Codruta

From: Sorin Cheval [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Tare-s curios de reactia ONG-urilor. Curtea Casei Poporului este un 
 spatiu verde in devenire foarte util pentru un oras sufocat ca Buc. 
 Nu trebuie lasat sa se intample nici acolo.

E Parcul Izvor chiar alaturi... 
Eu le-as lasa magaoaia in curte... au nevoie, vai de capu' lor

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[protest-ro] OT plangere

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Florin Pîca

Buna
Aveti idee daca exista vreun formular tip de plangere impotriva incompetentei 
politistilor? Sau macar idee asupra procedurilor ce trebuie efectuate?

Multam fain,
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[protest-ro] Grozaviile primului padurar al tarii

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Alexandru Toniuc

Grozaviile primului padurar al tarii 
 
   
 de Laurentiu Ciocazanu
Joi, 10 Februarie 2005


Nu stiu cit timp mi-ar lua sa numar pina la 900.000, dar bag mina-n 
foc ca m-as enerva cumplit. Exista insa un om pe lumea asta pentru care 900.000 
nu este deloc un numar stresant, ci mai degraba unul scump. Se numeste Ion 
Dumitru, este deputat PSD si a fost, pina de curind, ditamai padurarul-sef al 
Romaniei, directorul general al Regiei Padurilor Romsilva. De ce este 900.000 
un numar scump pentru Ion Dumitru? Aflam chiar de la actuala conducere a 
Romsilva, care confirma cheltuielile fabuloase facute de predecesori: pentru 
900.000 de cartuse, regia a platit, pe vremea cind era condusa de Ion Dumitru, 
nu mai putin de 50 de miliarde de lei! Vi se pare mult? Mai puneti atunci 21 de 
miliarde de lei pentru o alta achizitie de importanta vitala: 100 de pistoale, 
unul si unul! Iar daca nici asta nu e de-ajuns, sa mai punem la socoteala un 
“mizilic” de 3,5 miliarde de lei, cit a costat un lot de costume de vinatoare 
la patru ace. Aflam de la Ion  Dumitru ca, de fapt, nu ar fi costume, ci 
“echipamente speciale” si ca remorcile de cartuse erau absolut necesare pentru 
“vinatul rapitor cu par si pene”. Mai ramine ca fostul prim-padurar sa ne 
anunte astazi, intr-o conferinta de presa, ca miliardele nu s-au dat, ci s-au 
luat, si ca mistretii “cu par si pene” nu au ajuns in galantare ca batoane de 
“salam de Balc”, ci se afla bine-mersi la promenada prin codri, in asteptarea 
lui Ion Tiriac si Adrian Nastase. Sa presupunem totusi ca Ion Dumitru a facut 
achizitii vitale pentru viitorul european al Romaniei, sa tragem linie si sa 
adunam: in total, aproape 75 de miliarde de lei cheltuiti dintr-un foc. Pe 
cartuse, pistoale si costume de vinatoare!! Iata, intr-adevar, o lectie de 
management pentru toata directorimea tari. Titlul: “Arunca miliardele cu 
toptanul daca esti acoperit de hirtii”. Iar fostul directorul de la Romsilva a 
invatat-o bine. Ne si sfideaza: “Contractele au fost incheiate cu respectarea 
Legii achizitiilor publice”. Nici nu ne bateam capul. Toate tunurile ultimilor 
ani in Romania au fost trase cu acte in regula. Exact ca la carte. Sint absolut 
convins ca, daca e sa ne vorbim pe hirtii, Ion Dumitru e blindat. Si el, si 
milionul sau de cartuse. Ce daca susotesc angajatii Directiilor Silvice de prin 
tara ca aceleasi cartuse puteau fi cumparate mai ieftin! Punct ochit, punct 
lovit! 
Pina s-o gasi vreun politist sau procuror mai ager la lege ca Ion 
Dumitru, sa facem totusi cunostinta cu personajul si prodigioasa lui activitate 
in fruntea padurilor Romaniei. Destinul lui Ion Dumitru se leaga prin doua tevi 
de pusca de numele lui Adrian Nastase. Ambii, vinatori pur-singe, pasionati 
pina peste poate de sportul singeros. Ambii, din acelasi judet. Pe cind era sef 
al Directiei Silvice Dimbovita si organiza magistral partidele de vinatoare 
(exceptia cu alicele ratacite “sub centura” ministrului Ilie Sirbu nu face 
decit sa confirme regula), Dumitru a fost remarcat de Adrian Nastase. Dupa un 
meci cu omul lui Iliescu la conducerea Romsilva, Filip Georgescu, Nastase a 
reusit sa-si impuna tovarasul de arme in fruntea celei mai verzi regii a tarii. 
De aici, totul este istorie. Dar ea merita studiata atent de juristii cu 
legitimatie de serviciu la Parchet. Pe scurt, ca sef al Romsilva, Ion Dumitru a 
fost tare larg la punga. A sponsorizat cu lemn de la primaria din satul unui 
coleg de partid, ajuns mare in parlament, pina la ctitorii necunoscuti ai unei 
biserici din America de Sud. A aruncat cu bani in toata lumea. A fost larg la 
punga si cu anumite ziare, dar nu degeaba. In mandatul sau de director al 
Romsilva, Ion Dumitru n-a prea fost subiect de investigatie jurnalistica. 
Daca prietenii de partid si de vinatoare ai lui Ion Dumitru nu ar 
fi trecut in opozitie, cheltuielile facute de Romsilva ar fi ramas cel mult o 
ancheta jurnalistica in “Evenimentul zilei”. Astazi insa institutiile statului 
nu mai sint legate de miini si de picioare. Ion Dumitru, milionul sau de 
cartuse, vinatoarea si sponsorizarile nu mai sint subiecte tabu. Grozaviile 
primului padurar al tarii pot fi luate acum la bani marunti.  



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Re: [protest-ro] Re: desfiintarea listei protest-ro

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie marilena

Pai achiesez la ce spune Codruta, adica ce anume activitati de ajutorare 
a populatiei rurale, ca sunt multe si nu neaparat marunte, dar destul de 
diferite.

Marilena

Codruta wrote:

 From: Benedetto Schiavone [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Ma intereseaza foarte mult activitati in domeniul
  ajutorarii populatiei rurale.

 Ce GROAZNIC! :)). Intai ma face spalata pe creieri de catre stangisti, 
 apoi
 zice ca ar colabora cu mine... off.. :)))... ma rog, nu-i
 primul de pe lista care ma trateaza ca pe-o tampita, la urme-urmelor poate
 ar trebui sa cred ca nu-i totul intamplator si ca, daca 2 iti spun ca esti
 beat, inseamna ca ai mancat prea multe mere si mirosi a alcool...

 Pai, colaboram, daca s-o putea populatie rurala de ajutorat este cat
 cuprinde in Romania - depinde ce se intelege prin ajutor. SIGUR n-am sa
 ajut la cresterea suprafetelor plantate cu OMG.

 Detalii despre cum vedeti ajutorarea, fie pe lista, fie la codruta @
 braila.astral.ro.

 Iar daca lucrez cu cineva sa fie FOARTE clar ca nu accept tonul
 patronising decat prima data, cand ma sfortzez (:-pp) sa cred ca-i
 accidental - la a doua oara e posibil sa trag la gioale!
 ;)

 Codruta


  Cred de exemplu, ca proiectul Rosia Montana e o mare porcarie.
  Ma pricep, datorita unei activitati bogate in domeniul agricol
  si a lumii rurale, la tot felul de actiuni in ajutorarea
  mediului rural.
 
  Te rog foarte mult, daca ai bunavointa, contacteaza-ma
  la schiaub AT yahoo.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
 
  Am nevoie de ajutor in desfasurarea unor activitati in domeniul
  ajutorarii mediului rural din Romania.
 
  Nu solicit ajutor din partea unor handicapti gen cbjola.
  Acesti indivizi vor fi directionati spre serviciul hingheri.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [protest-ro] desfiintarea listei protest-ro]

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie marilena

Scuze pentru postarea de doua ori a mesajului.
Din nefericire uneori nu reusesc sa trimit mesaje asa ca le trimit in 
mod repetat. Nu il mai trimit pentru ca am vazut si eu ca a intrat pe 
lista. Oricum multumesc pentru confirmare.
Cat priveste lista, eu cred ca nu va disparea prea curand pentru ca sunt 
destule motive ca oamenii sa protesteze si atata vreme cat au unde, o 
vor face.
Bune sa va fie inimile!

Marilena

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 --- In protest-ro@yahoogroups.com, Codruta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ok, Marilena, mesajul a intrat pe lista de prima data, nu-l mai
 trimite iar
  ;)

 Prima data a intrat ca Re, apoi ca Fwd, e altceva!! Sa vedem a treia
 oara :) Si eu zic ca lista va exista cat timp vor intra mesaje pe
 ea, o sa calculez astazi care e tendinta, cam in cat timp nu vor mai
 intra mesaje in conditiile mentinerii concentratiei actuale de CO2
 in aer. Codruta a luat apararea, ma rog, a mentionat, o serie de
 oligofreni de pe lista, dar l-a uitat pe unul de vaza, ala cu unica
 alternativa ;)

 Baaai!! Pe grupul educatie si cercetare incepem sa facem liste
 negre, bagati-va cat mai e timp! :)






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[protest-ro] Basescu la Casa Alba

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Vasile Bouleanu


EurMonitor Guvernare: Basescu va fi primit la Casa Alba
10 Februarie 2005 

9 martie e data la care Basescu merge la Washington / SUA - investitii militare 
de 28 milioane dolari in Romania / PSD a stabilit data alegerii unei noi 
conduceri / Alianta DA hotaraste numele candidatului la Primaria Bucuresti


ora 10:05

Presedintele Statelor Unite, George W Bush, il va primi la Casa Alba pe 
presedintele Traian Basescu, pe data de 9 martie, intalnire in cursul careia 
vor fi discutate probleme regionale si continuarea colaborarii americano-romane 
in abordarea chestiunilor de interes comun. 
Romania isi aduce o contributie semnificativa pentru democratie si stabilitate 
in Irak, Afganistan, Balcani si regiunea Marii Negre, se spune intr-un 
comunicat emis de Casa Alba. 

Cei doi presedinti impartasesc un atasament de lunga durata fata de 
democratie, a declarat marti purtatorul de cuvant al Casei Albe, Scott 
McClellan.

Se asteapta ca Romania sa decida daca isi mentine cei 800 de militari in Irak, 
dupa scrutinul parlamentar din 30 ianuarie din aceasta tara. 

Aflat la Bruxelles la reuniunea ministrilor de externe ai NATO, ambasadorul 
Statelor Unite pe langa Alianta, Nicholas Burns, a declarat in urma intalnirii 
cu ministrul de externe Mihai Razvan Ungureanu: Se poate spune ca Statele 
Unite au putini aliati atit de puternici ca Romania.
 
Sursa: BBC

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Re: [protest-ro] OT plangere

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Florin Pîca

Multam fain

  - Original Message - 
  From: Codruta 
  To: protest-ro@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [protest-ro] OT plangere


  From: Florin Pîca [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Aveti idee daca exista vreun formular tip de plangere impotriva
  incompetentei politistilor? Sau macar idee asupra procedurilor ce trebuie
  efectuate?

  Nu cred ca exista formular-tip, pentru ca nu exista chestii-tip pe care ei
  sa ti le faca si pentru care sa te plangi.
  Presupun ca procedura ar fi sa va plangeti sefului direct - dar depinde de
  situatie. Habar n-am daca n-ar fi, sa zicem, de competenta Parchetului

  Pentru incompetenta va plangeti sefului direct si ii solicitati, la
  sfarsit, ca in baza Legii 544 a Accesului la informatie, sa va comunice ce
  masuri a luat. ;).
  Daca seful nu raspunde, ii faceti (sefului) reclamatie administrativa
  samd...

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Re[2]: [protest-ro] OT plangere

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Gushterul


FP   Pentru incompetenta va plangeti sefului direct si ii solicitati, la
FP   sfarsit, ca in baza Legii 544 a Accesului la informatie, sa va comunice ce
FP   masuri a luat. ;).
FP   Daca seful nu raspunde, ii faceti (sefului) reclamatie administrativa
FP   samd...

FP   Codruta


Ce le stie Codruta sa le dea la voleu lol:)
A functionat macar o data?:)

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[protest-ro] absolut OT - nedumerire

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Codruta

voi aveti idee la CE ar putea folosi prezervativul, intr-o casatorie dintre 2 
lesbiene?
Va rog sa ma scuzati, dar imaginatia mea cred ca trece momental printr-o 
criza :(.

???

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[protest-ro] Fascismul american din perspectiva conservatoare...

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie cbjola


Y...sss! Conservatorii incep sa recunoasca incet-incet ceea ce era
vizibil de 4 ani. Ca fascismul american a luat amploare! Atentie: Nu
Michael Moore il compara pe Bush cu Hitler, ci oamenii lui Bush insusi
au inceput sa traga semnalul de alarma. Articolul a fost publicat
intr-una din cele mai prestigioase reviste ale dreptei americane, the
American Conservative. 

Asa ca apelul meu pt sleahta de pupicuristi ai lui Bush (Schiau-
Jigodia Nazista, Bouleanu' turnatoru' securist, Valachus per Rasistus
Libidinosus) e simplu: cumparati-va repede 100 suluri de hartie
igienica si stergeti-va vartos la gura dupa fiecare mesaj postat pe
lista! 



February 14, 2005 Issue
Copyright © 2005 The American Conservative
http://www.amconmag.com/2005_02_14/article.html

Hunger for Dictatorship: War to export democracy may wreck our own.
by Scott McConnell

Students of history inevitably think in terms of periods: the New
Deal, McCarthyism, the Sixties (1964-1973), the NEP, the
purge
trials—all have their dates. Weimar, whose cultural excesses made
effective propaganda for the Nazis, now seems like the antechamber to
Nazism, though surely no Weimar figures perceived their time that way
as they were living it. We may pretend to know what lies ahead,
feigning certainty to score polemical points, but we never do.

Nonetheless, there are foreshadowings well worth noting. The last
weeks of 2004 saw several explicit warnings from the antiwar Right
about the coming of an American fascism. Paul Craig Roberts in these
pages wrote of the brownshirting of American
conservatism—a word
that might not have surprised had it come from Michael Moore or
Michael Lerner. But from a Hoover Institution senior fellow, former
assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, and
one-time Wall Street Journal editor, it was striking.

Several weeks later, Justin Raimondo, editor of the popular
Antiwar.com website, wrote a column headlined, Today's
Conservatives
are Fascists. Pointing to the justification of torture by
conservative legal theorists, widespread support for a militaristic
foreign policy, and a retrospective backing of Japanese internment
during World War II, Raimondo raised the prospect of fascism
with a
democratic face. His fellow libertarian, Mises Institute
president
Lew Rockwell, wrote a year-end piece called The Reality of Red
State
Fascism, which claimed that the most significant
socio-political
shift in our time has gone almost completely unremarked, and even
unnoticed. It is the dramatic shift of the red-state bourgeoisie from
leave-us-alone libertarianism, manifested in the Congressional
elections of 1994, to almost totalitarian statist nationalism. Whereas
the conservative middle class once cheered the circumscribing of the
federal government, it now celebrates power and adores the central
state, particularly its military wing.

I would argue that Rockwell—who makes the most systematic
argument of
the three—overstates the libertarian component of the 1994
Republican
victory, which could just as readily be credited to heartland
rejection of the '60s cultural liberalism that came into office
with
the Clintons. And it is difficult to imagine any scenario, after 9/11,
that would not lead to some expansion of federal power. The United
States was suddenly at war, mobilizing to strike at a Taliban
government on the other side of the world. The emergence of terrorism
as the central security issue had to lead, at the very least, to
increased domestic surveillance—of Muslim immigrants especially.
War
is the health of the state, as the libertarians helpfully remind us,
but it doesn't mean that war leads to fascism.

But Rockwell (and Roberts and Raimondo) is correct in drawing
attention to a mood among some conservatives that is at least latently
fascist. Rockwell describes a populist Right website that originally
rallied for the impeachment of Bill Clinton as hate-filled ...
advocating nuclear holocaust and mass bloodshed for more than a year
now. One of the biggest right-wing talk-radio hosts regularly
calls
for the mass destruction of Arab cities. Letters that come to this
magazine from the pro-war Right leave no doubt that their writers
would welcome the jailing of dissidents. And of course it's not
just
us. When USA Today founder Al Neuharth wrote a column suggesting that
American troops be brought home sooner rather than later, he was blown
away by letters comparing him to Tokyo Rose and demanding that he be
tried as a traitor. That mood, Rockwell notes, dwarfs anything that
existed during the Cold War. It celebrates the shedding of
blood, and
exhibits a maniacal love of the state. The new ideology of the
red-state bourgeoisie seems to actually believe that the US is God
marching on earth—not just godlike, but really serving as a proxy
for
God himself.

The warnings from these three writers would have been significant even
if they had not been complemented by what for me was the most striking
straw in the wind. 

Re: [protest-ro] OT plangere

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie cbjola


--- In protest-ro@yahoogroups.com, Codruta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In prezent, pe cazul Rosia Montana, are o reclamatie administrativa
un
 director din MMGA (ooOOopS! na! mi-am amintit ceva!!! - plus ca
directorul
 ala mie personal chiar imi place) si se paste una (sau chiar ceva
mai rau)
 prin zona Ministerului Culturii, pe la o institutie de-a lor... dau
detalii
 cand e aranjata ;)

Codruzta, tata: mi se pare mie sau ai lasat-o cam moale cu RM dupa
alegeri? Au astia noii grija mai mare de RM decat aia vechii, sau ati
pupat toti P-ta Independentei la o fripturica de mistret si un paharel
de otonel? Dace e sa fie tradare, ok, dar sa stim si noi, nu? 





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[protest-ro] Re: desfiintarea listei protest-ro

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie grig_ore


--- In protest-ro@yahoogroups.com, Sorin Cheval [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 Scuze, nu stiu ce inseamna sau ce vrea sa insemne 'achiesez'. Am 
 cautat si in DEX. Mersi.

a achiesa = a aplica dihotomic in vederea implementarii rebarbative
a unui bord targhetat sistemic.
E un neulogism (sic!) euroatlantic cu ceva influente afropacifice.

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[protest-ro] Re: absolut OT - nedumerire

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie grig_ore


--- In protest-ro@yahoogroups.com, Codruta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 voi aveti idee la CE ar putea folosi prezervativul, intr-o casatorie
dintre 2 lesbiene?

Da.   :-)

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[protest-ro] Re: absolut OT - nedumerire

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie grig_ore


--- In protest-ro@yahoogroups.com, Codruta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Pai... zi... ;)).

Pe lista asta cu... fascisti?  Nici nu ma gindesc.
La citi stau la pinda... asta-i cnou-hau, nu se 
pune pe liste.:-)


 daca folosesti termeni... h. 

Numai DEX.  E putin mai scump dar merita!

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[protest-ro] Re: Fascismul american din perspectiva conservatoare...

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Benedetto Schiavone


--- cbjola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Y...sss! Conservatorii incep 
 sa recunoasca incet-incet ceea 
 ce era vizibil de 4 ani. Ca 
 fascismul american a luat amploare!

Dobitocule, citeste cu atentie urmatoarele
iar daca nu stii, Pat Buchanan, in SUA,
este considerat intruchiparea 
neo-fascismului.

Cum ti-am mai spus, cum o dai, cum o crapa,
tot pe linia neo-fascismului te-ai aliniat,
dovedesti ca esti un nazist incorigibil.

Piei din fata mea dihanie!

---
Anyway, we – Pat Buchanan, the London Spectator columnist Taki, and
myself are starting a new magazine – whose mission is in great part to
counter the disastrous projects of the War Party. It will debut in
late September, and come out every two weeks. We have titled it The
American Conservative – and stand ready to initiate a campaign within
conservative ranks to keep the country from being led off the cliff by
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[protest-ro] Re: Fascismul american din perspectiva conservatoare...

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie cbjola


--- In protest-ro@yahoogroups.com, Benedetto Schiavone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- cbjola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Y...sss! Conservatorii incep 
  sa recunoasca incet-incet ceea 
  ce era vizibil de 4 ani. Ca 
  fascismul american a luat amploare!
 
 Dobitocule, citeste cu atentie urmatoarele
 iar daca nu stii, Pat Buchanan, in SUA,
 este considerat intruchiparea 
 neo-fascismului.

Ce aveti mai, lichelele pupicuriste ale lui Bush-Impostoru', de
sunteti toti asa prosti gramada? Valachus per Rasistul Libidinosus nu
poate sa scrie 2 propozitii fara sa se contrazica, Bouleanu
turnatorul-securist e complet agramat si fara creier, iar tu esti cel
mai cretin dintre toti, nu stii sa faci niste diferente elementare.

Jigodie, bea un pahar de apa, numara incet pana la 10, respira adanc,
si dupa ce te-ai calmat si ti-ai sters balele de la gura cu ceva
hartie igienica (folosita evident) asculta colea la Mandea: Pat
Buchanan e un rasist imputit la fel ca si tine, dar intruchiparea
neo-fascismului (cum te exprimi tu semi-doct) vine de la idolul tau
de rahat. Citeste mai bine articolul si o sa intelegi de ce.

Repet dreapta conservatoare din America, nu Clinton sau Michael Moore
il compara ingrozita pe Bush cu Hitler si denunta ascensiunea
fascismului in America din ultimii 4 ani! 

In rest ramane cum ne-am inteles: distractie placuta la azil!


February 14, 2005 Issue
Copyright © 2005 The American Conservative

Hunger for Dictatorship

War to export democracy may wreck our own.

by Scott McConnell

Students of history inevitably think in terms of periods: the New
Deal, McCarthyism, the Sixties (1964-1973), the NEP, the
purge
trials—all have their dates. Weimar, whose cultural excesses made
effective propaganda for the Nazis, now seems like the antechamber to
Nazism, though surely no Weimar figures perceived their time that way
as they were living it. We may pretend to know what lies ahead,
feigning certainty to score polemical points, but we never do.

Nonetheless, there are foreshadowings well worth noting. The last
weeks of 2004 saw several explicit warnings from the antiwar Right
about the coming of an American fascism. Paul Craig Roberts in these
pages wrote of the brownshirting of American
conservatism—a word
that might not have surprised had it come from Michael Moore or
Michael Lerner. But from a Hoover Institution senior fellow, former
assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, and
one-time Wall Street Journal editor, it was striking.

Several weeks later, Justin Raimondo, editor of the popular
Antiwar.com website, wrote a column headlined, Today's
Conservatives
are Fascists. Pointing to the justification of torture by
conservative legal theorists, widespread support for a militaristic
foreign policy, and a retrospective backing of Japanese internment
during World War II, Raimondo raised the prospect of fascism
with a
democratic face. His fellow libertarian, Mises Institute
president
Lew Rockwell, wrote a year-end piece called The Reality of Red
State
Fascism, which claimed that the most significant
socio-political
shift in our time has gone almost completely unremarked, and even
unnoticed. It is the dramatic shift of the red-state bourgeoisie from
leave-us-alone libertarianism, manifested in the Congressional
elections of 1994, to almost totalitarian statist nationalism. Whereas
the conservative middle class once cheered the circumscribing of the
federal government, it now celebrates power and adores the central
state, particularly its military wing.

I would argue that Rockwell—who makes the most systematic
argument of
the three—overstates the libertarian component of the 1994
Republican
victory, which could just as readily be credited to heartland
rejection of the '60s cultural liberalism that came into office
with
the Clintons. And it is difficult to imagine any scenario, after 9/11,
that would not lead to some expansion of federal power. The United
States was suddenly at war, mobilizing to strike at a Taliban
government on the other side of the world. The emergence of terrorism
as the central security issue had to lead, at the very least, to
increased domestic surveillance—of Muslim immigrants especially.
War
is the health of the state, as the libertarians helpfully remind us,
but it doesn't mean that war leads to fascism.

But Rockwell (and Roberts and Raimondo) is correct in drawing
attention to a mood among some conservatives that is at least latently
fascist. Rockwell describes a populist Right website that originally
rallied for the impeachment of Bill Clinton as hate-filled ...
advocating nuclear holocaust and mass bloodshed for more than a year
now. One of the biggest right-wing talk-radio hosts regularly
calls
for the mass destruction of Arab cities. Letters that come to this
magazine from the pro-war Right leave no doubt that their writers
would welcome the jailing of dissidents. And of course it's not
just
us. When USA Today founder Al Neuharth wrote a 

[protest-ro] Re: absolut OT - nedumerire

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Sorin Cheval


--- In protest-ro@yahoogroups.com, Codruta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 voi aveti idee la CE ar putea folosi prezervativul, intr-o 
casatorie dintre 2 lesbiene?
 Va rog sa ma scuzati, dar imaginatia mea cred ca trece momental 
printr-o criza :(.

Eu cred ca il folosesc ca sa se achieseze intre ele. 
O alta varianta ar fi ca il folosesc pe post de usturoi impotriva 
varcolacilor, se agata la pragul usii, la poza lu' AlterMedia.





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[protest-ro] Fw: [geo_ro] Premiile Galei Societatii Civile

2005-02-10 Fir de Conversatie Octav

Suna mult mai decent anu' asta decit SVV.

- Original Message -
From: Florin Stoican [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Geo_ro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: [geo_ro] Premiile Galei Societatii Civile



 Ieri, la Teatrul National Bucuresti, a avut loc premierea proiectelor
inscrise la Gala Societatii Civile.   La sectiunea Protectia mediului,
premiul a fost castigat de catre proiectul Asociatiei Kogayon De la vis la
realitate: Parcul National Buila-Vanturarita.
Acest premiu reprezinta pentru noi o recunoastere in plus a valorii
acestui proiect dar si o obligatie. Dorim sa ne continuam activitatea si sa
ne implicam in administrarea parcului pe care l-am infiintat si vom incerca
sa avem grija de el indiferent cine va fi administratorul sau.
Premiul este al tuturor membrilor Asociatiei, al tuturor celor care
ne-au ajutat si sustinut, al oamenilor care traiesc in acea zona si care vor
beneficia de pe urma dezvoltarii durabile a zonei si in primul rand al
muntelui pe care-l iubim si vrem sa-l pastram asa cum il stim.
Multumesc tuturor celor care ne-aufost alaturi!


 Florin Stoican
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