[Proto-Scripty] Re: Prototype's evolution

2011-09-15 Thread greg 
I think we'd all love to see Prototype be more popular, but does it
really matter?  It's here, it works, it works well and it's a great
base on which to build complex apps.  If the developers decide to not
make any more upgrades we'd still have a great tool.  I think of it as
a house foundation and what I build on top is the house itself.  If
the guy that laid the foundation decided to retire, it doesn't affect
my house.  I can always add on to my foundation or find someone that
can.

I still can't understand why tools like Prototype are free.  I'd pay a
yearly fee for it.  If enough of us did, then perhaps the author(s)
could make a living from it.  But, seeing as they aren't, we can't
expect them to upgrade Prototype endlessly for no money.  We all need
to earn a living.

Having said all that, what I'd like to see in Prototype is A-just
keeping it up to date with new browser technology, and B-a way to make
it play better with others.  I know jQuery has a no-conflict mode, but
it would be nice if we didn't conflict in the first place.  Maybe a
way to assign $ to some other name.

To make Prototype more popular I think that we can't expect the
Prototype developers to do all the work.  There's a lot of great stuff
out there built on Prototype but what I find frustrating is the time
it takes it make it look/feel like the rest of my stuff.  That's not a
Prototype issue. I think if all that code were better organized and
managed it would move Prototype forward.  For instance: if we had
volunteers who could project manage, do good design/CSS work, design a
framework that allowed 'widgets' to share a common base/communicate,
program, establish standards and so on, then with some effort we could
have a great tool with great add-ons.  Imagine how simple things would
be if all Prototype widgets shared the same CSS classes and usage.

I'm willing to be a part of such a group.



On Sep 2, 11:10 pm, Phil Petree  wrote:
> I'm going to violate one of my personal rules about responding to posts when
> I have had a glass or two of wine (or, in this case, margharitas):
>
> What has been sticking in my head from Andrews response are these two
> phrases (in quotes):
>
> > Prototype's development over the past few years has been typified by a
> > few months of inactivity, then a furious week of activity,* "and I doubt
> > that will change anytime soon*."
> > So don't read anything into the periods of inactivity. "*I don't have
> > any plans to stop working on Prototype*."
>
> What I read in to this is that Andrew has said he is not "planning" on
> ceasing development anytime soon BUT plans change and when something else
> takes his attention away, then development will cease.
>
> Now, it could be like my own forms generator... I don't write code for it
> every day.  In fact I only upgrade it or fix a bug when I need a new feature
> or I find a bug (no one else has reported any).  If that's the case then I
> understand but then I might use my form generator to crank out a few forms
> but I wouldnt build a business that depended on my supporting that product
> for the next 'x' years.
>
> I think what I and others were looking for was some form of commitment... a
> commitment to moving the community forward was a commitment to prototypes
> future and I am left with the feeling that prototypes future is uncertain.
>
> Andrew, this isn't a personal attack, I just need to speak frankly and
> honestly because I personally own my own sites and I write the code behind
> them.  If I invest tons of time in a framework like prototype then I am
> hitching my star to yours.  If you quit working on prototype then I am left
> with some major rewrites and those rewrites are not trivial and in one case
> could cost lives.
>
> I am still left not knowing which way to turn.

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[Proto-Scripty] Re: I'm stuck: Can't open window in combination with jQuery libs

2011-09-15 Thread Victor 
Can you give more info? The full text in popup? What is window.js? Why you 
want to use both Prototype and jQuery on the same page? Where is your 
jQuery.noConflict()?

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[Proto-Scripty] Re: about IExplorer failure

2011-09-15 Thread Victor 
GET requests are 
idempotent: 
the side-effects of N > 0 identical requests is the same as for a single 
request, so from the browser and proxy point of view repeating GET requests 
should return the same result, and they can instantly use cached previous 
result.

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[Proto-Scripty] Re: Acceptable nicks(s) For Prototype.js

2011-09-15 Thread Victor 
For me it is just "Prototype" (without "dot-j-s")

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[Proto-Scripty] Validation for combo box

2011-09-15 Thread sen 
Hi,

  Need help on how to validate the combo box if default option value
selected is submitted in the form under Prototype Javascript.

Thanks,
Sen

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