Re: Anyone using an Imac
yes that would be a example of when to raise the delay compensation buffer. On 2/15/13, Poppa Bear wrote: > I notice if I use the Waves L series on some vocal tracks that the vocals > seem to have a slite noticeable delay. Is this something that could be > corrected with the delay conpensation? > - Original Message - > From: "Stephen Martin" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:02 AM > Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac > > > For the buffer size 64 or 32 is great for tracking, but feel free to krank > that up as high as it would go for mixing and see how performance > improoves. If things do, then you can start bringing it down little by > little over time and find the cut off point. If i am not mistaken delay > compensation only will really make a difference if the project starts to > play out of sync wit itself. if this isn't happening then you probably aren > > running into delay compensation issues. > On Feb 14, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: > >> I have mest with the playback and recording buffer, but typicly I try to >> leave them at 64, I am used to 64 and 32 on the buffer unless I am mixing. >> >> With the delay compensation I didn't even think of it, where do you find >> the setting and what is a good rule of thumb for a protools rig that only >> >> has 2GB ram? Thanks for all the tips on this stuff. >> - Original Message - From: "Monkey Pusher" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:59 AM >> Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac >> >> >>> Speaking of which, have you adjusted the buffer size in pro tools and >>> the automatic delay compensation buffers as well? >>> >>> On 2/14/13, Poppa Bear wrote: Ok, thanks a bunch. I have some homework to do now. As far as Sonar, I can have more plugs then the law should allow and with a little adjusting of the buffer for mixing, all is fine. This is only on a quad core with only 2 GB ram as well. I can run multiple waves plugs, Antari and Sonar Native plugs without a hick up and have 5 sessions open at once. - Original Message - From: "Monkey Pusher" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:13 AM Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac > If I am not mistaken, the 2011 iMac's max out at 16GB of ram. Though > the 21.5 may be 8GB or so. Yes things like auto tune are resource > hogs and are best saved for mixing. Even then set it up how you want > it, print it to another track and then archive the track which its an > insert on which removes it from being used in the session. Should you > need to make a change, unarchive it make your change, print to a new > track and re archive it. Archive may be the word sonar used for this > functionality, so not sure if its called the same in Pro Tools. Also > if its in the budget, consider grabbing the expansion bay from > somewhere with a decent return policy and return it if it not > accessible. Just a thought. > > On 2/14/13, Poppa Bear wrote: >> Thanks, and your right, it is 21.5 and it is 2011. I think it maxes at >> >> 4 >> >> or >> >> 6 GB ram if I remember correctly. I do not have the UA card/shuttle, >> I >> was >> looking into it, but I couldn't find out how accessible it was with >> VO. >> I >> think that I just need to max out the ram and see what that does for >> me. >> >> My >> >> Mac is like a woman, I got to treat her just right, massage her a >> little >> >> and >> >> give her rest when she gets too tired, got to love it. I am finding >> out >> that >> >> Antari stuff can be a CPU hog from what I can tell and I am just >> avoiding >> >> it >> >> in real time recording for now. >> Thanks for your thoughts >> - Original Message - >> From: "Monkey Pusher" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:27 AM >> Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac >> >> >>> I am assuming you have a 21.5 iMac and not an 11.5. The problem here >>> is ram 2GB isn't enough really. All modern iMacs have a ram hatch >>> on >>> the back you can get to by removing two screws on the back. I'd >>> suggest figureing out which model you have (can be found in about >>> this mac) and using a site like OWC or Crucial to figure out how >>> much >>> ram that model maxes out at and do just that. If you aren't using >>> DSP cards for plug ins, the most amount of RAM you can throw at the >>> system the better off you will be. I myself am running a 2011 27" >>> iMac with lion and i can tell you that its definately desktop >>> calibier parts in there. In fact as teh iMacs has become >>> increasingly >>> more powerful its teh reason the mac pros haven't gotten such >>> radical >>> updates in a while. If memory serves correc
Re: Anyone using an Imac
I notice if I use the Waves L series on some vocal tracks that the vocals seem to have a slite noticeable delay. Is this something that could be corrected with the delay conpensation? - Original Message - From: "Stephen Martin" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:02 AM Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac For the buffer size 64 or 32 is great for tracking, but feel free to krank that up as high as it would go for mixing and see how performance improoves. If things do, then you can start bringing it down little by little over time and find the cut off point. If i am not mistaken delay compensation only will really make a difference if the project starts to play out of sync wit itself. if this isn't happening then you probably aren running into delay compensation issues. On Feb 14, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: I have mest with the playback and recording buffer, but typicly I try to leave them at 64, I am used to 64 and 32 on the buffer unless I am mixing. With the delay compensation I didn't even think of it, where do you find the setting and what is a good rule of thumb for a protools rig that only has 2GB ram? Thanks for all the tips on this stuff. - Original Message - From: "Monkey Pusher" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac Speaking of which, have you adjusted the buffer size in pro tools and the automatic delay compensation buffers as well? On 2/14/13, Poppa Bear wrote: Ok, thanks a bunch. I have some homework to do now. As far as Sonar, I can have more plugs then the law should allow and with a little adjusting of the buffer for mixing, all is fine. This is only on a quad core with only 2 GB ram as well. I can run multiple waves plugs, Antari and Sonar Native plugs without a hick up and have 5 sessions open at once. - Original Message - From: "Monkey Pusher" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:13 AM Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac If I am not mistaken, the 2011 iMac's max out at 16GB of ram. Though the 21.5 may be 8GB or so. Yes things like auto tune are resource hogs and are best saved for mixing. Even then set it up how you want it, print it to another track and then archive the track which its an insert on which removes it from being used in the session. Should you need to make a change, unarchive it make your change, print to a new track and re archive it. Archive may be the word sonar used for this functionality, so not sure if its called the same in Pro Tools. Also if its in the budget, consider grabbing the expansion bay from somewhere with a decent return policy and return it if it not accessible. Just a thought. On 2/14/13, Poppa Bear wrote: Thanks, and your right, it is 21.5 and it is 2011. I think it maxes at 4 or 6 GB ram if I remember correctly. I do not have the UA card/shuttle, I was looking into it, but I couldn't find out how accessible it was with VO. I think that I just need to max out the ram and see what that does for me. My Mac is like a woman, I got to treat her just right, massage her a little and give her rest when she gets too tired, got to love it. I am finding out that Antari stuff can be a CPU hog from what I can tell and I am just avoiding it in real time recording for now. Thanks for your thoughts - Original Message - From: "Monkey Pusher" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac I am assuming you have a 21.5 iMac and not an 11.5. The problem here is ram 2GB isn't enough really. All modern iMacs have a ram hatch on the back you can get to by removing two screws on the back. I'd suggest figureing out which model you have (can be found in about this mac) and using a site like OWC or Crucial to figure out how much ram that model maxes out at and do just that. If you aren't using DSP cards for plug ins, the most amount of RAM you can throw at the system the better off you will be. I myself am running a 2011 27" iMac with lion and i can tell you that its definately desktop calibier parts in there. In fact as teh iMacs has become increasingly more powerful its teh reason the mac pros haven't gotten such radical updates in a while. If memory serves correct you have some DSP cards from UA i believe. I'd suggest looking into one of those expansion chasis that hold desktop cards and connect via thunderbold or firewire, then you could offload some of that processing as well. On 2/13/13, Poppa Bear wrote: I have an 11.5 Imac, quad core, 2GB ram running lion and PT 8.4. Now that I am activly using waves with some other plugins I am experiencing buffer bugs and CPU issues. Is anyone else using an Imac and if so, are there any tips to help stream line the way PT functions in it? Also I was talking to a friend yesterday and he was telling me that an Imac was more or less a highbread laptop and further away from the desktop family, does anyone have thoughts on that
Re: few questions about pro tools
I wonder if the Digidesign 002 has that reset feature for the rotery pots? That would be nice when using the interface for adjusting plugin settings. - Original Message - From: "Chris Norman" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 4:05 AM Subject: Re: few questions about pro tools Hi, I have, but don't use anymore, what I think is an Artist Control V2, or Artist MC Mix or something. I actually loved it. Only reason I stopped using it, is because my Project Mix I/O has preamps on it. If I get an iMac for downstairs, I'll probably attach the Artist to that. Anyways, it's a great little desc, the pan pots are responsive, it just doesn't seem (although could be me being thick), that it has much in the way of controls. It has 8 touch sensitive faders, 100 MM I believe, and pan pots. You can hold down the option key on your keyboard and press a pan pot in, or touch a fader to return them to their default values, which is something I now miss in the Project Mix I/O. It hasn't got a transport bar though, at least not one which I found. Anyways, I hope this all helps, and sorry I can't be more helpful, but I tend to use a lot of stuff, and don't really explore their capibilities, unless I find something lacking LOL. Cheers, and good luck! On 15/02/2013, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hi Elad, I have no experience with the Artist series but I think someone else on the list is preparing to get one of those. To delete a marker, select it and use the pop-up menu and choose the clear option. To set a nudge value, click the nudge value button and use the numeric keypad to type the value and press Enter when you're done. You need to consider the format. If your session is in bars/beats, you need to type the relevant values. If it's in minutes/seconds, obviously, you'll need to follow that format. Use the decimal to advance the fields as you type. You can use the keyboard shortcuts of command-Option-plus and minus to cycle through the default values. For example, in minutes and seconds format, the defaults are 1 millisecond, 10 milliseconds, 100 milliseconds, 500 milliseconds and 1 second. In bars and beats, the values are a little different. Thery are 60 ticks, 120 ticks, 240 ticks, etc. I believe the documentation explains the various default nudge values. best, Slau On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:02 AM, eli4785elad davdovich wrote: hi all my name is elad and i have a few questions 1.does anyone have any experience with avid artist control controller as accessibility tool? 2.i tried to figure it out and didn't success if i set a marker at the wrong time and want to delete it how do i do it? 3.does the nudje value is accessible? thanks elad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Take care, Chris Norman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Re: few questions about pro tools
Hi, I have, but don't use anymore, what I think is an Artist Control V2, or Artist MC Mix or something. I actually loved it. Only reason I stopped using it, is because my Project Mix I/O has preamps on it. If I get an iMac for downstairs, I'll probably attach the Artist to that. Anyways, it's a great little desc, the pan pots are responsive, it just doesn't seem (although could be me being thick), that it has much in the way of controls. It has 8 touch sensitive faders, 100 MM I believe, and pan pots. You can hold down the option key on your keyboard and press a pan pot in, or touch a fader to return them to their default values, which is something I now miss in the Project Mix I/O. It hasn't got a transport bar though, at least not one which I found. Anyways, I hope this all helps, and sorry I can't be more helpful, but I tend to use a lot of stuff, and don't really explore their capibilities, unless I find something lacking LOL. Cheers, and good luck! On 15/02/2013, Slau Halatyn wrote: > Hi Elad, > > I have no experience with the Artist series but I think someone else on the > list is preparing to get one of those. > > To delete a marker, select it and use the pop-up menu and choose the clear > option. > > To set a nudge value, click the nudge value button and use the numeric > keypad to type the value and press Enter when you're done. You need to > consider the format. If your session is in bars/beats, you need to type the > relevant values. If it's in minutes/seconds, obviously, you'll need to > follow that format. Use the decimal to advance the fields as you type. You > can use the keyboard shortcuts of command-Option-plus and minus to cycle > through the default values. For example, in minutes and seconds format, the > defaults are 1 millisecond, 10 milliseconds, 100 milliseconds, 500 > milliseconds and 1 second. In bars and beats, the values are a little > different. Thery are 60 ticks, 120 ticks, 240 ticks, etc. > > I believe the documentation explains the various default nudge values. > > best, > > Slau > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:02 AM, eli4785elad davdovich wrote: > >> hi all my name is elad and i have a few questions 1.does anyone have >> any experience with avid artist control controller as accessibility tool? >> 2.i tried to figure it out and didn't success if i set a marker at the >> wrong time and want to delete it how do i do it? 3.does the nudje value >> is accessible? thanks elad >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Take care, Chris Norman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: few questions about pro tools
Hi, Please correct me if i'm wrong here, but i think that the Artist Control has a touch screen, and that sounds like you can't do much as a blind person, however i can be wrong there. /Krister 15 feb 2013 kl. 13:54 skrev Slau Halatyn : > Hi Elad, > > I have no experience with the Artist series but I think someone else on the > list is preparing to get one of those. > > To delete a marker, select it and use the pop-up menu and choose the clear > option. > > To set a nudge value, click the nudge value button and use the numeric keypad > to type the value and press Enter when you're done. You need to consider the > format. If your session is in bars/beats, you need to type the relevant > values. If it's in minutes/seconds, obviously, you'll need to follow that > format. Use the decimal to advance the fields as you type. You can use the > keyboard shortcuts of command-Option-plus and minus to cycle through the > default values. For example, in minutes and seconds format, the defaults are > 1 millisecond, 10 milliseconds, 100 milliseconds, 500 milliseconds and 1 > second. In bars and beats, the values are a little different. Thery are 60 > ticks, 120 ticks, 240 ticks, etc. > > I believe the documentation explains the various default nudge values. > > best, > > Slau > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:02 AM, eli4785elad davdovich wrote: > >> hi all my name is elad and i have a few questions 1.does anyone have any >> experience with avid artist control controller as accessibility tool? 2.i >> tried to figure it out and didn't success if i set a marker at the wrong >> time and want to delete it how do i do it? 3.does the nudje value is >> accessible? thanks elad >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: few questions about pro tools
Hi Elad, I have no experience with the Artist series but I think someone else on the list is preparing to get one of those. To delete a marker, select it and use the pop-up menu and choose the clear option. To set a nudge value, click the nudge value button and use the numeric keypad to type the value and press Enter when you're done. You need to consider the format. If your session is in bars/beats, you need to type the relevant values. If it's in minutes/seconds, obviously, you'll need to follow that format. Use the decimal to advance the fields as you type. You can use the keyboard shortcuts of command-Option-plus and minus to cycle through the default values. For example, in minutes and seconds format, the defaults are 1 millisecond, 10 milliseconds, 100 milliseconds, 500 milliseconds and 1 second. In bars and beats, the values are a little different. Thery are 60 ticks, 120 ticks, 240 ticks, etc. I believe the documentation explains the various default nudge values. best, Slau On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:02 AM, eli4785elad davdovich wrote: > hi all my name is elad and i have a few questions 1.does anyone have any > experience with avid artist control controller as accessibility tool? 2.i > tried to figure it out and didn't success if i set a marker at the wrong > time and want to delete it how do i do it? 3.does the nudje value is > accessible? thanks elad > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Anyone using an Imac
For the buffer size 64 or 32 is great for tracking, but feel free to krank that up as high as it would go for mixing and see how performance improoves. If things do, then you can start bringing it down little by little over time and find the cut off point. If i am not mistaken delay compensation only will really make a difference if the project starts to play out of sync wit itself. if this isn't happening then you probably aren running into delay compensation issues. On Feb 14, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: > I have mest with the playback and recording buffer, but typicly I try to > leave them at 64, I am used to 64 and 32 on the buffer unless I am mixing. > With the delay compensation I didn't even think of it, where do you find the > setting and what is a good rule of thumb for a protools rig that only has 2GB > ram? Thanks for all the tips on this stuff. > - Original Message - From: "Monkey Pusher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac > > >> Speaking of which, have you adjusted the buffer size in pro tools and >> the automatic delay compensation buffers as well? >> >> On 2/14/13, Poppa Bear wrote: >>> Ok, thanks a bunch. I have some homework to do now. As far as Sonar, I can >>> have more plugs then the law should allow and with a little adjusting of the >>> >>> buffer for mixing, all is fine. This is only on a quad core with only 2 GB >>> ram as well. I can run multiple waves plugs, Antari and Sonar Native plugs >>> without a hick up and have 5 sessions open at once. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Monkey Pusher" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac >>> >>> If I am not mistaken, the 2011 iMac's max out at 16GB of ram. Though the 21.5 may be 8GB or so. Yes things like auto tune are resource hogs and are best saved for mixing. Even then set it up how you want it, print it to another track and then archive the track which its an insert on which removes it from being used in the session. Should you need to make a change, unarchive it make your change, print to a new track and re archive it. Archive may be the word sonar used for this functionality, so not sure if its called the same in Pro Tools. Also if its in the budget, consider grabbing the expansion bay from somewhere with a decent return policy and return it if it not accessible. Just a thought. On 2/14/13, Poppa Bear wrote: > Thanks, and your right, it is 21.5 and it is 2011. I think it maxes at 4 > > or > > 6 GB ram if I remember correctly. I do not have the UA card/shuttle, I > was > looking into it, but I couldn't find out how accessible it was with VO. > I > think that I just need to max out the ram and see what that does for me. > > My > > Mac is like a woman, I got to treat her just right, massage her a little > > and > > give her rest when she gets too tired, got to love it. I am finding out > that > > Antari stuff can be a CPU hog from what I can tell and I am just avoiding > > it > > in real time recording for now. > Thanks for your thoughts > - Original Message - > From: "Monkey Pusher" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: Anyone using an Imac > > >> I am assuming you have a 21.5 iMac and not an 11.5. The problem here >> is ram 2GB isn't enough really. All modern iMacs have a ram hatch on >> the back you can get to by removing two screws on the back. I'd >> suggest figureing out which model you have (can be found in about >> this mac) and using a site like OWC or Crucial to figure out how much >> ram that model maxes out at and do just that. If you aren't using >> DSP cards for plug ins, the most amount of RAM you can throw at the >> system the better off you will be. I myself am running a 2011 27" >> iMac with lion and i can tell you that its definately desktop >> calibier parts in there. In fact as teh iMacs has become increasingly >> more powerful its teh reason the mac pros haven't gotten such radical >> updates in a while. If memory serves correct you have some DSP cards >> from UA i believe. I'd suggest looking into one of those expansion >> chasis that hold desktop cards and connect via thunderbold or >> firewire, then you could offload some of that processing as well. >> >> On 2/13/13, Poppa Bear wrote: >>> I have an 11.5 Imac, quad core, 2GB ram running lion and PT 8.4. Now >>> that >>> >>> I >>> am activly using waves with some other plugins I am experiencing >>> buffer >>> bugs >>> and CPU issues. Is anyone else using an Imac and if so, are there any >>> tips >>> to help stream line the way PT functions in it? A
few questions about pro tools
hi all my name is elad and i have a few questions 1.does anyone have any experience with avid artist control controller as accessibility tool? 2.i tried to figure it out and didn't success if i set a marker at the wrong time and want to delete it how do i do it? 3.does the nudje value is accessible? thanks elad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.