Re: A quick vocal question
Try to think what made the flawless take so flawless, and how you can duplicate it? Is the song in his sweet spot range wise, if not consider changing the key. Should be easy enough to do with a high quality pitch plug in. > On Aug 15, 2019, at 5:22 AM, Christopher Gilland > wrote: > > So... I've run into a situation which I haven't yet in all my time recording > had happen. Quite frankly, this might be the first, but I'm damn sure it > won't be the last, so I'd rather figure out now early in my learning process > how to deal with this. > > I've got a vocalist who's recording lead vocals in my studio. Problem is, at > one point, they were not confident at all. I mean it was sow'w'w! sad! It > broke my heart, literally every day watching them try so hard through their > sessions to bang out a vocal and stay on key with good breathing technique, > etc. > > Part of being a producer can, not always, but sometimes can! as in this case, > involve having a vocal coach. In this case that was me. > > I kept trying to encourage the poor guy, and tell him, look, you may not be > an Elvis Presley, or a Paul McCartney, etc. etc, one a the big guys, but you > know what? That's Ow'w, kayy. Relax! Just be yourself. > > Every few lines, he kept saying, dammit, this just isn't working. > > The thing is, yes it was! Beautifully actually. He just didn't trust himself. > > Well, last night, we tracked a few things, and will be doing so later today > as well. The problem is, we had something very weird happen last night, and > it's starting to be another issue entirely. > > Last night, he came in, stood at that microphone with the cans on his ears, > and let me tell you what... this guy blew it dead! I mean, he knocked it slam > dunk! I dono what he did, but he was so on key it was ridiculous! His diction > was flawless, his timing couldn't have been better, etc. > > The issue is, he noticed this too, and was so excited that just as he'd start > really nailing things, he'd stop, just from laughing with joy. He's like, I > don't believe this! I'm actually pulling this off for once! I kept telling > him, wayta! gow'w! Problem though is, now, after that incident happened, now, > he's gone the other way off the deep end. First he wasn't confident enough. > Now, he's becoming rapidly so! confident that he's practically botching his > vocals left and right because he's so into it that he's losing concentration > in thinking how darn good things are starting to sound and come together. > > As a producer/coach, how do you all deal with this when you get someone who > can't get through things, not because it's not working, but more they keep > losing concentration. He's like, I can't help it, dude! It sounds so darn > good all a sudden. > > Should I maybe back off his mike a bit in his cans so that he concentrates > more on the accompiniment, or should I back off encouraging him so much, I > just dono. > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/30aaed67-92ab-3679-562e-6e2fc38a10f7%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/B9660129-1FFD-48A4-A516-B6E41D7CED04%40gmail.com.
Re: RMS levels
That will be excellent John looking forward to this coming out soon! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2019, at 6:24 PM, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: > > Hi, > > Soon, AccessiblePeakMeter 3 will be released, it will give you audio feedback > for the following meters: > RMS SL/IL > LUFS / EBU ML/SL/IL > Peak and True Peak > Dynamic Range (DR PDR) > DialNorm > > and more… > > It will also have an option to set a different alarm tone for each meter if > you would like to have several active at once. > > More info soon. > > There is also a handy AccessiblePhaseMeter and AccesibleSpectrumAnalyser > available. I’ll post links when the update is released. > > Some will not like that you have to set a threshold value for the meter, and > adjust it as needed, but I think this is a nice way to work, especially if > you have a couple of values you aim for when you master your material. If you > for example set one meter to alarm when the True Peak reaches -1dB, a > different meter to alarm when your LUFS SL reaches -10 db, a different meter > to alarm when your LUFS IL reaches -14dB, and finally a meter to alarm when > you reach a Dynamic Range DR at 6dB (these are all example values), you can > switch between the meters while working, or have a couple of them active at > the same time. You might also have one ready to alarm if you have phase > issues, and a spectrum analyser set up to easily swipe through the bands to > keep an eye on the tonal balance in your material. > > Just some ideas, though. > > Best, > John André > > > > > On 14 Aug 2019, at 01:55, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > Hi. Doing some mastering in protools. Is there any way that we can see rMS > levels using PT. From memory i think this was not doable some time back Is > this still the case, and If so is there any spluggin or program on mac that > will give us this information. > > Just to add I’m really impressed with protools 19.6 and the latest Flo tools. > I’ve upgraded to mojave and i’d have to say it’s excellent. The i can now run > at lower buffer size again when recording with compressors and eq on the > tracks. Very nice indeed. > A huge thanks from me to the flo tools team for making this version as > accessible as it is. > Cheers Steve > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/F99D0443-5117-40DC-ADF0-A9AAB50EC730%40sparrowsound.com.au. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/A7CCD526-249F-43C9-A979-ECDF91478C36%40a-pro-studio.no. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/D8DCC26A-35BC-4DA0-AA73-4D9C0C033571%40gmail.com.
Re: A quick vocal question
Charge by the hour and thank God for the customer! Each case is an individual case never Cantel what might work but use your musicians intuition. Think about this though how would you feel just encourage and thank God for the customer and the opportunity to share your talent. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Michael Holmes > wrote: > > I’d try to be firm and honest, stating how the take feels to you as producer, > using the most neutral language you can. When he responds, move a little > outside neutral towards the counterpoint of his response. If he’s disagreeing > with you, be polite and speak in terms of we and not I. If he agrees, pull > back a bit on your view, and compliment his performance in examples you feel > sounded best. It’s gonna be some back and forth, so you guys may need to > think on it for a day or two before trying again. And when all else fails, be > silly and unproductive in the conventional sense. I hard tuned my friend in a > hardcore punk band when his vocals were either/or but not sweet spot. We all > laughed, decided on doing a bonus track version of the song in Fetty-style > for fun, and he loosened up without going fringe. > > I hope some ideas here helped! You’ll know best when working with him next. > Good luck! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 15 Aug 2019, at 08:22, Christopher Gilland wrote: >> >> So... I've run into a situation which I haven't yet in all my time recording >> had happen. Quite frankly, this might be the first, but I'm damn sure it >> won't be the last, so I'd rather figure out now early in my learning process >> how to deal with this. >> >> I've got a vocalist who's recording lead vocals in my studio. Problem is, at >> one point, they were not confident at all. I mean it was sow'w'w! sad! It >> broke my heart, literally every day watching them try so hard through their >> sessions to bang out a vocal and stay on key with good breathing technique, >> etc. >> >> Part of being a producer can, not always, but sometimes can! as in this >> case, involve having a vocal coach. In this case that was me. >> >> I kept trying to encourage the poor guy, and tell him, look, you may not be >> an Elvis Presley, or a Paul McCartney, etc. etc, one a the big guys, but you >> know what? That's Ow'w, kayy. Relax! Just be yourself. >> >> Every few lines, he kept saying, dammit, this just isn't working. >> >> The thing is, yes it was! Beautifully actually. He just didn't trust himself. >> >> Well, last night, we tracked a few things, and will be doing so later today >> as well. The problem is, we had something very weird happen last night, and >> it's starting to be another issue entirely. >> >> Last night, he came in, stood at that microphone with the cans on his ears, >> and let me tell you what... this guy blew it dead! I mean, he knocked it >> slam dunk! I dono what he did, but he was so on key it was ridiculous! His >> diction was flawless, his timing couldn't have been better, etc. >> >> The issue is, he noticed this too, and was so excited that just as he'd >> start really nailing things, he'd stop, just from laughing with joy. He's >> like, I don't believe this! I'm actually pulling this off for once! I kept >> telling him, wayta! gow'w! Problem though is, now, after that incident >> happened, now, he's gone the other way off the deep end. First he wasn't >> confident enough. Now, he's becoming rapidly so! confident that he's >> practically botching his vocals left and right because he's so into it that >> he's losing concentration in thinking how darn good things are starting to >> sound and come together. >> >> As a producer/coach, how do you all deal with this when you get someone who >> can't get through things, not because it's not working, but more they keep >> losing concentration. He's like, I can't help it, dude! It sounds so darn >> good all a sudden. >> >> Should I maybe back off his mike a bit in his cans so that he concentrates >> more on the accompiniment, or should I back off encouraging him so much, I >> just dono. >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/30aaed67-92ab-3679-562e-6e2fc38a10f7%40gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/3E93E01E-D999-495F-BFAE-07D938A744FB%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: A quick vocal question
I’d try to be firm and honest, stating how the take feels to you as producer, using the most neutral language you can. When he responds, move a little outside neutral towards the counterpoint of his response. If he’s disagreeing with you, be polite and speak in terms of we and not I. If he agrees, pull back a bit on your view, and compliment his performance in examples you feel sounded best. It’s gonna be some back and forth, so you guys may need to think on it for a day or two before trying again. And when all else fails, be silly and unproductive in the conventional sense. I hard tuned my friend in a hardcore punk band when his vocals were either/or but not sweet spot. We all laughed, decided on doing a bonus track version of the song in Fetty-style for fun, and he loosened up without going fringe. I hope some ideas here helped! You’ll know best when working with him next. Good luck! Mike Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Aug 2019, at 08:22, Christopher Gilland wrote: > > So... I've run into a situation which I haven't yet in all my time recording > had happen. Quite frankly, this might be the first, but I'm damn sure it > won't be the last, so I'd rather figure out now early in my learning process > how to deal with this. > > I've got a vocalist who's recording lead vocals in my studio. Problem is, at > one point, they were not confident at all. I mean it was sow'w'w! sad! It > broke my heart, literally every day watching them try so hard through their > sessions to bang out a vocal and stay on key with good breathing technique, > etc. > > Part of being a producer can, not always, but sometimes can! as in this case, > involve having a vocal coach. In this case that was me. > > I kept trying to encourage the poor guy, and tell him, look, you may not be > an Elvis Presley, or a Paul McCartney, etc. etc, one a the big guys, but you > know what? That's Ow'w, kayy. Relax! Just be yourself. > > Every few lines, he kept saying, dammit, this just isn't working. > > The thing is, yes it was! Beautifully actually. He just didn't trust himself. > > Well, last night, we tracked a few things, and will be doing so later today > as well. The problem is, we had something very weird happen last night, and > it's starting to be another issue entirely. > > Last night, he came in, stood at that microphone with the cans on his ears, > and let me tell you what... this guy blew it dead! I mean, he knocked it slam > dunk! I dono what he did, but he was so on key it was ridiculous! His diction > was flawless, his timing couldn't have been better, etc. > > The issue is, he noticed this too, and was so excited that just as he'd start > really nailing things, he'd stop, just from laughing with joy. He's like, I > don't believe this! I'm actually pulling this off for once! I kept telling > him, wayta! gow'w! Problem though is, now, after that incident happened, now, > he's gone the other way off the deep end. First he wasn't confident enough. > Now, he's becoming rapidly so! confident that he's practically botching his > vocals left and right because he's so into it that he's losing concentration > in thinking how darn good things are starting to sound and come together. > > As a producer/coach, how do you all deal with this when you get someone who > can't get through things, not because it's not working, but more they keep > losing concentration. He's like, I can't help it, dude! It sounds so darn > good all a sudden. > > Should I maybe back off his mike a bit in his cans so that he concentrates > more on the accompiniment, or should I back off encouraging him so much, I > just dono. > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/30aaed67-92ab-3679-562e-6e2fc38a10f7%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/3E93E01E-D999-495F-BFAE-07D938A744FB%40gmail.com.
Re: A quick vocal question
Try telling him you want to make a pass at the vocals and tell him you're not recording. Sometimes just the thought of being recorded will make a person upset or nervous. Say, I'd like to make a pass at this just so we can get things right with levels. And in other words, tell him you're not recording when you really are. From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com on behalf of Christopher Gilland Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 7:22 AM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: A quick vocal question So... I've run into a situation which I haven't yet in all my time recording had happen. Quite frankly, this might be the first, but I'm damn sure it won't be the last, so I'd rather figure out now early in my learning process how to deal with this. I've got a vocalist who's recording lead vocals in my studio. Problem is, at one point, they were not confident at all. I mean it was sow'w'w! sad! It broke my heart, literally every day watching them try so hard through their sessions to bang out a vocal and stay on key with good breathing technique, etc. Part of being a producer can, not always, but sometimes can! as in this case, involve having a vocal coach. In this case that was me. I kept trying to encourage the poor guy, and tell him, look, you may not be an Elvis Presley, or a Paul McCartney, etc. etc, one a the big guys, but you know what? That's Ow'w, kayy. Relax! Just be yourself. Every few lines, he kept saying, dammit, this just isn't working. The thing is, yes it was! Beautifully actually. He just didn't trust himself. Well, last night, we tracked a few things, and will be doing so later today as well. The problem is, we had something very weird happen last night, and it's starting to be another issue entirely. Last night, he came in, stood at that microphone with the cans on his ears, and let me tell you what... this guy blew it dead! I mean, he knocked it slam dunk! I dono what he did, but he was so on key it was ridiculous! His diction was flawless, his timing couldn't have been better, etc. The issue is, he noticed this too, and was so excited that just as he'd start really nailing things, he'd stop, just from laughing with joy. He's like, I don't believe this! I'm actually pulling this off for once! I kept telling him, wayta! gow'w! Problem though is, now, after that incident happened, now, he's gone the other way off the deep end. First he wasn't confident enough. Now, he's becoming rapidly so! confident that he's practically botching his vocals left and right because he's so into it that he's losing concentration in thinking how darn good things are starting to sound and come together. As a producer/coach, how do you all deal with this when you get someone who can't get through things, not because it's not working, but more they keep losing concentration. He's like, I can't help it, dude! It sounds so darn good all a sudden. Should I maybe back off his mike a bit in his cans so that he concentrates more on the accompiniment, or should I back off encouraging him so much, I just dono. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/30aaed67-92ab-3679-562e-6e2fc38a10f7%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/SN6PR01MB4304688A6AEC9B99DCA48EECF6AC0%40SN6PR01MB4304.prod.exchangelabs.com.
A quick vocal question
So... I've run into a situation which I haven't yet in all my time recording had happen. Quite frankly, this might be the first, but I'm damn sure it won't be the last, so I'd rather figure out now early in my learning process how to deal with this. I've got a vocalist who's recording lead vocals in my studio. Problem is, at one point, they were not confident at all. I mean it was sow'w'w! sad! It broke my heart, literally every day watching them try so hard through their sessions to bang out a vocal and stay on key with good breathing technique, etc. Part of being a producer can, not always, but sometimes can! as in this case, involve having a vocal coach. In this case that was me. I kept trying to encourage the poor guy, and tell him, look, you may not be an Elvis Presley, or a Paul McCartney, etc. etc, one a the big guys, but you know what? That's Ow'w, kayy. Relax! Just be yourself. Every few lines, he kept saying, dammit, this just isn't working. The thing is, yes it was! Beautifully actually. He just didn't trust himself. Well, last night, we tracked a few things, and will be doing so later today as well. The problem is, we had something very weird happen last night, and it's starting to be another issue entirely. Last night, he came in, stood at that microphone with the cans on his ears, and let me tell you what... this guy blew it dead! I mean, he knocked it slam dunk! I dono what he did, but he was so on key it was ridiculous! His diction was flawless, his timing couldn't have been better, etc. The issue is, he noticed this too, and was so excited that just as he'd start really nailing things, he'd stop, just from laughing with joy. He's like, I don't believe this! I'm actually pulling this off for once! I kept telling him, wayta! gow'w! Problem though is, now, after that incident happened, now, he's gone the other way off the deep end. First he wasn't confident enough. Now, he's becoming rapidly so! confident that he's practically botching his vocals left and right because he's so into it that he's losing concentration in thinking how darn good things are starting to sound and come together. As a producer/coach, how do you all deal with this when you get someone who can't get through things, not because it's not working, but more they keep losing concentration. He's like, I can't help it, dude! It sounds so darn good all a sudden. Should I maybe back off his mike a bit in his cans so that he concentrates more on the accompiniment, or should I back off encouraging him so much, I just dono. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/30aaed67-92ab-3679-562e-6e2fc38a10f7%40gmail.com.
Re: careful with Keyboard Maestro 9
and it works well so long as Slau said you don’t uninstall flo tools. I actually updated a couple of days back before Slau’s email came through. Thank god it worked. Anyway all seems to be working well here. > On 15 Aug 2019, at 11:24 am, TheOreoMonster wrote: > > It should give you the option when it reminds you the first time. Also the > upgrade price is till October so you may want to set a personal reminder if > you plan to upgrade in the future and still get the discounted price. > > >> On Aug 14, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Christopher Gilland >> wrote: >> >> Is there a way we can set KM so that it won't nag us about there being an >> update from 8 to 9? >> >> I've not seen one yet that I know of, but I just wanna be sure it's not >> gonna start doing so in the future if I don't elect to upgrade. >> >> Chris. >> >> On 08/14/2019 01:58 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >>> For those thinking of updating to Keyboard Maestro 9, everything looks fine >>> however, there's one important thing to remember: If you're using Flo >>> Tools, don't reinstall Flo Tools into KM9 with the current installer. The >>> current installer is only meant for Keyboard Maestro version 8. If you >>> already have Flo Tools installed, you're good to go and, frankly, there's >>> no reason to ever reinstall Flo Tools unless you're doing a flo Tools >>> update. There will probably need to be a new installer to support Keyboard >>> Maestro version 9 but that'll take a little while. So, feel free to go to >>> KM9 but don't reinstall flo Tools for any reason for the time being. We'll >>> keep you posted when there's any further news. >>> cheers, >>> Slau >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/b85b087b-1d5b-baa0-dbed-57fee6862a10%40gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/AD5D4E2B-DADD-4594-B467-9EE2BF731B85%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/247154F3-9458-4E82-A890-95A44E0B7E34%40sparrowsound.com.au.
