Re: Guitar Amp Modellers: Editor Accessibility

[Rui Vilarinho]

Good post Chris . Resuming, Great guitar processors  hardware knoledge and  
developers around, developing also handy inteligent stand  alone editors, but 
with no clue at all concerning what needs to be done regarding a screen reader 
perspective user. That's because,  stupid enough give college programming  
students  two years to totaly forget the  accessibility important  social 
topic. 
 Regards. Rui Vilarinho  .

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  From: Chris Smart 
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  Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 4:32 PM
  Subject: Guitar Amp Modellers: Editor Accessibility


  Note: copying this from the PTAccess group.

  Let's evaluate where things stand currently when it comes to multifunction 
amp/effects units, primarily for guitar and accessibility.
  Yes, this may be somewhat off-topic. I won't post on this again, unless it's 
deemed acceptable by the mods. I figure if there are accessible units or units 
whose editor applications are accessible, this is good to know for us studio 
owners who need a do-everything guitar box for clients, teaching, gigging, 
reamping tracks, etc.

  Sadly, with many of these units, the editor on the computer side is 
inaccessible. That sure matters when things get complex. Let's list what we 
know so far.

  Line6 Editor: not accessible although folks are having good experiences with 
the M13 multieffects and POD HD hardware directly. No word on Helix yet.

  Fractal Audio Axe-FX: Axe-Edit not accessible (

  Atomic Amps Amplifire: editor not accessible

  Black Star ID Series: editor not accessible

  Eleven Rack: editor and stand-alone software not accessible. Don't know about 
the plug-in yet.

  Kemper Profiling Amp: not known, anyone have one of these?

  Fender Mustang: not known

  Boss GT100: not known

  On the PC side going back a few years, I could use the editor application for 
the old Vox Tonelab units. The same goes for the editor for the Digitech 
RP1000; I would say it's minimally accessible but usable. That means the editor 
for the Digitech GSP-1101 would be accessible too; it's basically the same 
processor as the RP1000 but in rack form. (pretty good amp models and effects 
for the times, but not so good cabinets) For recording, you'll get better 
sounds from the free Le Pou plug-ins, BX Rock Rack, Studio Devil plug-ins etc. 
(that's just recording though, no gigging with that unless you want to depend 
on a laptop in a gigging situation)

  One new unit that looks promising, due out this fall is the Yamaha THR100H. 
Here's how it's different.  It functions, for the most part, like a traditional 
amp, with regular knobs and switches. Beyond overdrive/boost, noise gate, and 
reverb type, there are no additional effects, and it is asumed the player will 
use regular pedals or other gear to get those.  The amp modelling is state of 
the art! Five preamp types from totally clean to really high-gain, can be 
matched with three kinds of boost, fed through any one of several simulated 
power tube types and topologies. Output is 100 watts class D, so this head 
weighs in at only 11 pounds. Feed a traditional guitar cabinet or use 
line/xlr/headphone outs. The outputs have 2048-point cabinet impulse responses, 
and users can apparently load 3rd-party responses as well.  


  Where a software editor becomes involved is selecting among the 3 overdrives, 
four reverb types, noise gate, whether the loops are parallel or serial, 
loading 3rd-party cabinet IR's, and performing firmware updates.  There is a 
USB port for doing this, but not for getting audio in and out.  They're asuming 
anybody doing series recording already has some sort of interface.

  There are two versions of the head, the THR100H and THR100H Dual.  The dual 
has two fully separate signal paths, meaning, for example, you and a student or 
jamming buddy can plug into separate inputs, go through separate amp sounds 
etc.  Or, those two sounds cam be combined. Want a shimmery clean stacked with 
a lower gain overdriven tone? You can do that.  

  Here's a teaser demo from Andertons, with a full demo promised mid-September:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeJ3FG17lo

  Yamaha are selling traditionally voiced close-back 1x12" and 2x12" guitar 
cabs to go with the heads, featuring Eminence drivers. Where it gets 
interesting is with the 2X12", because the drivers are not identical, meaning 
you have more mix and match possibilities. With the dual version of the head, 
you can send one signal to one driver and another to the second driver, or 
blend them together, taking advantage of the qualities of both.

  Here's Ross, their sales rep from the UK, doing a full walkthrough. 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ina3d3jPaos

  That sounds a little boxy because of all the room sound included, but also 
gives a good idea what the thing actually sounds like in the room.

  I

Re: Guitar Amp Modellers: Editor Accessibility

[Steve Martin]

Hardware side zoom g9.2tt editor was pretty much accessible on windows and i 
believe on OS X as well. POD X3 series could work if you used screen echo mode 
in jaws to speak changes in the  editor  while you use the knobs on the unit. 
Could pretty much get to everything this way.. On the Mac and iOS appkit is 
accessible, Better cab sims exist but its got enough killer tones hidden there. 
the AMT electronics Pangea Cab impulse loader appears to be a small useable IR 
loader for cab sims we could use on a gig looks like lots of buttons and knobs  
and shows up as a USB drive on the computer for you to copy impulses to in 
Finder or windows explorer.  
Bias plug in on OS X looks like it could be useable if you wanted to spend some 
time with a pair of eyes labeling and hotspotting and etc. Windows version i 
hear doesn’t reveal anything to the screen reader. Standalone apps on OS X or 
Windows doesn’t reveal anything to the  screen reader it appears. 

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
> Note: copying this from the PTAccess group.
> 
> Let's evaluate where things stand currently when it comes to multifunction 
> amp/effects units, primarily for guitar and accessibility.
> Yes, this may be somewhat off-topic. I won't post on this again, unless it's 
> deemed acceptable by the mods. I figure if there are accessible units or 
> units whose editor applications are accessible, this is good to know for us 
> studio owners who need a do-everything guitar box for clients, teaching, 
> gigging, reamping tracks, etc.
> 
> Sadly, with many of these units, the editor on the computer side is 
> inaccessible. That sure matters when things get complex. Let's list what we 
> know so far.
> 
> Line6 Editor: not accessible although folks are having good experiences with 
> the M13 multieffects and POD HD hardware directly. No word on Helix yet.
> 
> Fractal Audio Axe-FX: Axe-Edit not accessible (
> 
> Atomic Amps Amplifire: editor not accessible
> 
> Black Star ID Series: editor not accessible
> 
> Eleven Rack: editor and stand-alone software not accessible. Don't know about 
> the plug-in yet.
> 
> Kemper Profiling Amp: not known, anyone have one of these?
> 
> Fender Mustang: not known
> 
> Boss GT100: not known
> 
> On the PC side going back a few years, I could use the editor application for 
> the old Vox Tonelab units. The same goes for the editor for the Digitech 
> RP1000; I would say it's minimally accessible but usable. That means the 
> editor for the Digitech GSP-1101 would be accessible too; it's basically the 
> same processor as the RP1000 but in rack form. (pretty good amp models and 
> effects for the times, but not so good cabinets) For recording, you'll get 
> better sounds from the free Le Pou plug-ins, BX Rock Rack, Studio Devil 
> plug-ins etc. (that's just recording though, no gigging with that unless you 
> want to depend on a laptop in a gigging situation)
> 
> One new unit that looks promising, due out this fall is the Yamaha THR100H. 
> Here's how it's different.  It functions, for the most part, like a 
> traditional amp, with regular knobs and switches. Beyond overdrive/boost, 
> noise gate, and reverb type, there are no additional effects, and it is 
> asumed the player will use regular pedals or other gear to get those.  The 
> amp modelling is state of the art! Five preamp types from totally clean to 
> really high-gain, can be matched with three kinds of boost, fed through any 
> one of several simulated power tube types and topologies. Output is 100 watts 
> class D, so this head weighs in at only 11 pounds. Feed a traditional guitar 
> cabinet or use line/xlr/headphone outs. The outputs have 2048-point cabinet 
> impulse responses, and users can apparently load 3rd-party responses as well. 
>  
> 
> 
> Where a software editor becomes involved is selecting among the 3 overdrives, 
> four reverb types, noise gate, whether the loops are parallel or serial, 
> loading 3rd-party cabinet IR's, and performing firmware updates.  There is a 
> USB port for doing this, but not for getting audio in and out.  They're 
> asuming anybody doing series recording already has some sort of interface.
> 
> There are two versions of the head, the THR100H and THR100H Dual.  The dual 
> has two fully separate signal paths, meaning, for example, you and a student 
> or jamming buddy can plug into separate inputs, go through separate amp 
> sounds etc.  Or, those two sounds cam be combined. Want a shimmery clean 
> stacked with a lower gain overdriven tone? You can do that.  
> 
> Here's a teaser demo from Andertons, with a full demo promised mid-September:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeJ3FG17lo
> 
>  Yamaha are selling 
> traditionally voiced close-back 1x12" and 2x12" guitar cabs to go with the 
> heads, featuring Eminence drivers. Where it gets interesting is with the 
> 2X12", because the drivers are not identical, 

Guitar Amp Modellers: Editor Accessibility

[Chris Smart]

Note: copying this from the PTAccess group.
Let's evaluate where things stand currently when it comes to
multifunction amp/effects units, primarily for guitar and
accessibility.
Yes, this may be somewhat off-topic. I won't post on this again, unless
it's deemed acceptable by the mods. I figure if there are accessible
units or units whose editor applications are accessible, this is good to
know for us studio owners who need a do-everything guitar box for
clients, teaching, gigging, reamping tracks, etc.
Sadly, with many of these units, the editor on the computer side is
inaccessible. That sure matters when things get complex. Let's list what
we know so far.
Line6 Editor: not accessible although folks are having good experiences
with the M13 multieffects and POD HD hardware directly. No word on Helix
yet.
Fractal Audio Axe-FX: Axe-Edit not accessible (
Atomic Amps Amplifire: editor not accessible
Black Star ID Series: editor not accessible
Eleven Rack: editor and stand-alone software not accessible. Don't know
about the plug-in yet.
Kemper Profiling Amp: not known, anyone have one of these?
Fender Mustang: not known
Boss GT100: not known
On the PC side going back a few years, I could use the editor application
for the old Vox Tonelab units. The same goes for the editor for the
Digitech RP1000; I would say it's minimally accessible but usable. That
means the editor for the Digitech GSP-1101 would be accessible too; it's
basically the same processor as the RP1000 but in rack form. (pretty good
amp models and effects for the times, but not so good cabinets) For
recording, you'll get better sounds from the free Le Pou plug-ins, BX
Rock Rack, Studio Devil plug-ins etc. (that's just recording though, no
gigging with that unless you want to depend on a laptop in a gigging
situation)
One new unit that looks promising, due out this fall is the Yamaha
THR100H. Here's how it's different.  It functions, for the most
part, like a traditional amp, with regular knobs and switches. Beyond
overdrive/boost, noise gate, and reverb type, there are no additional
effects, and it is asumed the player will use regular pedals or other
gear to get those.  The amp modelling is state of the art! Five
preamp types from totally clean to really high-gain, can be matched with
three kinds of boost, fed through any one of several simulated power tube
types and topologies. Output is 100 watts class D, so this head weighs in
at only 11 pounds. Feed a traditional guitar cabinet or use
line/xlr/headphone outs. The outputs have 2048-point cabinet impulse
responses, and users can apparently load 3rd-party responses as
well.  

Where a software editor becomes involved is selecting among the 3
overdrives, four reverb types, noise gate, whether the loops are parallel
or serial, loading 3rd-party cabinet IR's, and performing firmware
updates.  There is a USB port for doing this, but not for getting
audio in and out.  They're asuming anybody doing series recording
already has some sort of interface.
There are two versions of the head, the THR100H and THR100H Dual. 
The dual has two fully separate signal paths, meaning, for example, you
and a student or jamming buddy can plug into separate inputs, go through
separate amp sounds etc.  Or, those two sounds cam be combined. Want
a shimmery clean stacked with a lower gain overdriven tone? You can do
that.  
Here's a teaser demo from Andertons, with a full demo promised
mid-September:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeJ3FG17lo
Yamaha are selling traditionally voiced close-back 1x12" and
2x12" guitar cabs to go with the heads, featuring Eminence drivers.
Where it gets interesting is with the 2X12", because the drivers are
not identical, meaning you have more mix and match possibilities. With
the dual version of the head, you can send one signal to one driver and
another to the second driver, or blend them together, taking advantage of
the qualities of both.
Here's Ross, their sales rep from the UK, doing a full walkthrough. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ina3d3jPaos
That sounds a little boxy because of all the room sound included, but
also gives a good idea what the thing actually sounds like in the
room.
I've emailed him to ask if we can take a look at the software editor and
evaluate its accessibility. Or, who we should talk to at Yamaha to do
that. I'll let folks know if and when I hear back from him.
Chris
 
At 08:21 AM 9/5/2015, you wrote:
I’d gladly send them some
feedback if anyone could tell me where to send it. I have a bunch of
presets I want to upload to my eleven rack that I’ve been sent, but I
can’t because the eleven rack editor is inaccessible. It would also be
cool to edit some of the built-in amps as some of them sound a bit
‘off’ with my PRS, and I’d like to replicate Brian May’s delays
and amp sound.

On 5 Sep 2015, at 12:59, Rui
Vilarinho

wrote:
Hi, I  own the 11Rack: indeed it's a Guitar processor,
let's say that comes with a bunch of presets 

Re: Guitar amp Modellers

[TheOreoMonster]

I am liking AmpKit. Its however standalone and not currently available in a 
plug in format. But its pretty straightforward to use sound cloud to route 
audio out of Pro Tools and into AmpKit and then back into pro tools to record 
it. 
On Jun 17, 2014, at 2:20 PM, CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi André,
 
 I'm using the 
 Waves GTR Amp,
 The rub is you need a controller to access the parameters.
 Its the best I've heard so far though! :)
 YMMV
 Chuck
 
 On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:16 PM, John André Lium-Netland wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have played with ReCabinet and Guitar Rig Pro in PT11. They are not very 
 accessible, but both are possible to use by doing some Mouse Keys navigation 
 and get access to the preset settings. but that's pretty much all you can 
 do. If someone is interested, I can post the details.
 
 Best,
 John André
 
 On 17 Jun 2014, at 18:54, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote:
 
 I'm a fan of Studio Devil's products. What are other people using for 
 guitar amp modelling plug-ins?
 
 I still prefer hardware, i.e. an actual amp with a mic in front of it, but 
 that isn't always practical or possible. 
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Guitar amp Modellers

[Chris Smart]

I'm a fan of Studio Devil's products. What are other people using for 
guitar amp modelling plug-ins?


I still prefer hardware, i.e. an actual amp with a mic in front of 
it, but that isn't always practical or possible. 


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Re: Guitar amp Modellers

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi André,

I'm using the 
Waves GTR Amp,
The rub is you need a controller to access the parameters.
Its the best I've heard so far though! :)
YMMV
Chuck

On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:16 PM, John André Lium-Netland wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I have played with ReCabinet and Guitar Rig Pro in PT11. They are not very 
 accessible, but both are possible to use by doing some Mouse Keys navigation 
 and get access to the preset settings. but that's pretty much all you can do. 
 If someone is interested, I can post the details.
 
 Best,
 John André
 
 On 17 Jun 2014, at 18:54, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote:
 
 I'm a fan of Studio Devil's products. What are other people using for guitar 
 amp modelling plug-ins?
 
 I still prefer hardware, i.e. an actual amp with a mic in front of it, but 
 that isn't always practical or possible. 
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