Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Steve Martin]

I think they only did MKII for the 49 and 61. I imagine those were the two most 
popular ones where it would make sense for the new features. 


> On Jun 28, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Benjamin Blatter  wrote:
> 
> No, it seems not, the confusing is that the 49 and 61 keys habe a MK2, but I 
> guess the S25 not, but I’m not sure.
>  
>  
> Von: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] Im 
> Auftrag von Steve Matzura
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Juni 2018 14:32
> An: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
>  
> Is there a twenty-fiver for the Mark 2 now? Interesting.
> 
>  
> On 6/27/2018 3:53 PM, Benjamin Blatter wrote:
>> Hi Steve
>>  
>> This sounds promising. I already have a Yamaha motif XS8 and probably could 
>> use it as midi keyboard on my mac. I found a good deal here in a Swiss store 
>> (50% off) am thinking about buying NI Komplete 11 Ultimate and just the 
>> smallest keyboard, the Kontrol S25 MKII. This would work, right? Or is there 
>> a reason not to use two midi keyboards at the same time?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Von: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] Im Auftrag von Steve Matzura
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 16:44
>> An: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>> Betreff: Re: AW: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
>>  
>> Ben,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Surprised to hear you had trouble with virtual instruments in Sonar, as that 
>> was supposed to be one of its strong points. Granted, I never ventured far 
>> afield from the provided set of virtual instruments, but the few I did have, 
>> such as the full version of Rapture, and  Hypersonic, gave me no trouble.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Andre's demo of Komplete Kontrol is now quite out of date in that Komplete 
>> 11 is far advanced from what 10 was at the time the demo was recorded. It 
>> can still do everything the demo shows that it can, but about two years 
>> later, there's now so much more. There are more instruments, there's a new 
>> keyboard, more stuff that can be done with the system as a whole, and 
>> there's even a guy out there who's making NKS drop-in packages for some 
>> popular instrument suites such as the Air Music Technology Xpand stuff, 
>> Spectrosonics' Omnisphere and Keyscape, the Korg Legacy Collection, and 
>> Analog Labs 2 and 3,to name a few. Companies are really starting to wake up 
>> to the NKS (Native Komplete Standard) and delivering products that have it, 
>> giving Komplete Kontrol users more access to more things than just those 
>> from the KK package. For example, I have several Orange Tree Samples 
>> guitars, and they all have NKS "snapshot" presets. If one is clever and has 
>> access to some sighted assistance that can learn how to do it, it's possible 
>> to create NKS presets for a plugin  if it parameters are exposable within 
>> Kontakt. In fact, there's a KK email list you might be interested in joining 
>> wherein such matters  are discussed. To subscribe, send a blank email 
>> message to komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com>. I have also 
>> contacted Ruben Cornell who produces the Samplecast podcast and asked him to 
>> please include mention of NKS compatibility in sample libraries he reviews. 
>> I think for the most part he does so, as I'm hearing more and more episodes 
>> of his podcast wherein NKS gets mentioned.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good luck with your interface serch, and learning the Mac DAW ecosystem, 
>> with its diverse access paths and architectures.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 6/27/2018 3:26 AM, Benjamin Blatter wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Steve
>>  
>> Thanks for your welcoming mail. I think you might have a rock solid point 
>> there in being cautious so i’m not jumping in a new caketalking situation. 
>> I’ll listen carefully what the others are suggesting and will choose wisely. 
>> The real pain is that one these days just can’t try things out anymore, at 
>> least in Switzerland where I live. I’m certainly no audio engineer or 
>> professional. But I like to have their tools because when I record something 
>> I don’t want to have noisy mic preamps. So I’m looking for an audio 
>> in

Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Guys,
Thats exactly what i did.
I found the Keyboard for $264.00 from alto music and use it to interface with 
komplete 11.
Then i use my Kurzweil K2500 88 key to play in the parts. :)
HTH
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Jun 27, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Steve Martin wrote:

> I have heard of people buying the Komplete Control with the 25 key keyboard 
> and using that to control Komplete while actually using a larger 61 or 88 key 
> keyboard to play the instrument. So I see no reason why you couldn’t have 
> both set up. 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Benjamin Blatter  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Steve
>>  
>> This sounds promising. I already have a Yamaha motif XS8 and probably could 
>> use it as midi keyboard on my mac. I found a good deal here in a Swiss store 
>> (50% off) am thinking about buying NI Komplete 11 Ultimate and just the 
>> smallest keyboard, the Kontrol S25 MKII. This would work, right? Or is there 
>> a reason not to use two midi keyboards at the same time?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Von: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag 
>> von Steve Matzura
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 16:44
>> An: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: AW: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
>>  
>> Ben,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Surprised to hear you had trouble with virtual instruments in Sonar, as that 
>> was supposed to be one of its strong points. Granted, I never ventured far 
>> afield from the provided set of virtual instruments, but the few I did have, 
>> such as the full version of Rapture, and  Hypersonic, gave me no trouble.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Andre's demo of Komplete Kontrol is now quite out of date in that Komplete 
>> 11 is far advanced from what 10 was at the time the demo was recorded. It 
>> can still do everything the demo shows that it can, but about two years 
>> later, there's now so much more. There are more instruments, there's a new 
>> keyboard, more stuff that can be done with the system as a whole, and 
>> there's even a guy out there who's making NKS drop-in packages for some 
>> popular instrument suites such as the Air Music Technology Xpand stuff, 
>> Spectrosonics' Omnisphere and Keyscape, the Korg Legacy Collection, and 
>> Analog Labs 2 and 3,to name a few. Companies are really starting to wake up 
>> to the NKS (Native Komplete Standard) and delivering products that have it, 
>> giving Komplete Kontrol users more access to more things than just those 
>> from the KK package. For example, I have several Orange Tree Samples 
>> guitars, and they all have NKS "snapshot" presets. If one is clever and has 
>> access to some sighted assistance that can learn how to do it, it's possible 
>> to create NKS presets for a plugin  if it parameters are exposable within 
>> Kontakt. In fact, there's a KK email list you might be interested in joining 
>> wherein such matters  are discussed. To subscribe, send a blank email 
>> message to komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com. I have also 
>> contacted Ruben Cornell who produces the Samplecast podcast and asked him to 
>> please include mention of NKS compatibility in sample libraries he reviews. 
>> I think for the most part he does so, as I'm hearing more and more episodes 
>> of his podcast wherein NKS gets mentioned.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good luck with your interface serch, and learning the Mac DAW ecosystem, 
>> with its diverse access paths and architectures.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 6/27/2018 3:26 AM, Benjamin Blatter wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Steve
>>  
>> Thanks for your welcoming mail. I think you might have a rock solid point 
>> there in being cautious so i’m not jumping in a new caketalking situation. 
>> I’ll listen carefully what the others are suggesting and will choose wisely. 
>> The real pain is that one these days just can’t try things out anymore, at 
>> least in Switzerland where I live. I’m certainly no audio engineer or 
>> professional. But I like to have their tools because when I record something 
>> I don’t want to have noisy mic preamps. So I’m looking for an audio 
>> interface which is good enough in this wish category.
>>  
>> Oh yes, which DAW is more accessible might have been a slight stupid 
>> question since I’m here LOL But I actually think your comment on certain 
>> things which might be difficult in logic pro was very kind and honest of 
>> you. I’ll keep that in mind and I think I’ll give both DAWS a try. I don’t 
>> think you’re

Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Steve Martin]

I have the fU-Phoria 404HD  myself and thats a great interface. In my opinion 
its the sweet spot in the U-Phoria line as far as features go. The zoom L12 I 
also own and the stuff that you will needed sighted assistance for is  
regarding using its built in SD recorder functionality. Also updating the 
firmware from time to time since the firmware is ran off the SD card. If you 
don’t really plan to use the SD recorder functionality much and only use it as 
an audio interface you should be fine.  I do not own the Audiofuse so I have 
not had a chance to see if the software is accessible. Let me know if you have 
anymore questions. 


> On Jun 27, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Blatter  wrote:
> 
> Hey Steve Martin!
>  
> This is a very interesting list of audio interfaces, thanks a lot.
> The Zoom L12 caught my interest. Do you happen to have this mixer? Would I 
> need sighted help to set it up? How is routing done?
>  
> Otherwise the Arthuria Audiofuse sounds very promising as well. Do you 
> perhaps know if the software panel is accessible with VoiceOver?
>  
> Thanks
> Ben
>  
>  
> From Behringer I’d choose probably an U-Phoria UMC404HD. This has Midas mic 
> preamps which probably has to mean something? 
> Von: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] Im 
> Auftrag von Steve Martin
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 19:23
> An: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Betreff: Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
>  
>  
> The Focusrite Clarett range is nice, and while the control software is 
> inaccessible the iOS app seemed to work well when I last tried it. You will 
> need to have the computer running the software on the same wifi connection as 
> your iOS device to pair and control the Clarett from the device. The pair 
> process itself isn’t accessible as it in voles clicking  the accept button in 
> a pop up in the control software that alerts you to an iOS device wanting to 
> pair to it. However,  Focusrite support is great about Remoting  into your 
> system to pair the device but to also set up and save presets for the Clarett 
> control software for you. Loading the presets are accessible as well. 
> Another high end option if the Apogee Element range. The element range makes 
> the Apogee sound more affordable by forgoing any buttons or knobs on the 
> interface itself. Its all controlled from software. There is both the control 
> software for your Mac as well as an iOS version, in addition to a physical 
> hardware Control Remote that connects to your computer via USB. The Mac 
> version of the software isn’t very accessible (with any luck that could be 
> changing soon) but the iOS version is quite accessible. You can even install 
> it now and play around with demo versions of any of the 3 interfaces in the 
> element range. Also pairing the device to the Mac is accessible unlike the 
> Focusrite system. Also should you keep using logic, Apogee and Apple has had 
> a long working relationship and as such the preamp gain and some other 
> controls are available from the logic channel strip. However I have not 
> played with those yet to see how ell they work access wise.
> The Zoom L12 is a great option if you want something more like a mixer.The 
> software is mostly just the driver installation as all routing is handled on 
> the mixer itself. There are plenty of one button one function  controls on 
> this device which is unusual for a digital mixer but it makes it a breeze to 
> use once you learn the layout.  This unit is nice if you are ever working 
> with a client as it makes it extremely easy to have a mix for you that has 
> the DAW output and voiceover and one for that thats just the DAW output. (You 
> can set that up on the others but this definitely is the easiest.). 
> The Behringer U-Phoria series is very inexpensive, very feature packed for 
> their price, and Core Audio compliant (this means no drivers or software to 
> install) and plenty of buttons and knobs on the interface to make up for the 
> lack of software. The Scarlet range by Focusrite is a contender to the 
> Behringer u-Phoria series but you will pay more for less features   and as 
> someone who has  compared the mic preamps/converters between the two units it 
> s splitting hairs if that’s what you are gonna compare them on. 
> Other worthy contenders would be the Audiofuse by Arturia or the Quantum by 
> Presonus. Both do not have any mixer software to contend with  and plenty of 
> knobs or buttons to make up for it. Also the PreS`onus is one that allows you 
> to control  it from a control surface. They do rely on a control software of 
> some kind 

Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Steve Martin]

I have heard of people buying the Komplete Control with the 25 key keyboard and 
using that to control Komplete while actually using a larger 61 or 88 key 
keyboard to play the instrument. So I see no reason why you couldn’t have both 
set up. 

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Benjamin Blatter  wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve
>  
> This sounds promising. I already have a Yamaha motif XS8 and probably could 
> use it as midi keyboard on my mac. I found a good deal here in a Swiss store 
> (50% off) am thinking about buying NI Komplete 11 Ultimate and just the 
> smallest keyboard, the Kontrol S25 MKII. This would work, right? Or is there 
> a reason not to use two midi keyboards at the same time?
>  
>  
>  
> Von: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] Im 
> Auftrag von Steve Matzura
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 16:44
> An: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
>  
> Ben,
> 
>  
> 
> Surprised to hear you had trouble with virtual instruments in Sonar, as that 
> was supposed to be one of its strong points. Granted, I never ventured far 
> afield from the provided set of virtual instruments, but the few I did have, 
> such as the full version of Rapture, and  Hypersonic, gave me no trouble.
> 
>  
> 
> Andre's demo of Komplete Kontrol is now quite out of date in that Komplete 11 
> is far advanced from what 10 was at the time the demo was recorded. It can 
> still do everything the demo shows that it can, but about two years later, 
> there's now so much more. There are more instruments, there's a new keyboard, 
> more stuff that can be done with the system as a whole, and there's even a 
> guy out there who's making NKS drop-in packages for some popular instrument 
> suites such as the Air Music Technology Xpand stuff, Spectrosonics' 
> Omnisphere and Keyscape, the Korg Legacy Collection, and Analog Labs 2 and 
> 3,to name a few. Companies are really starting to wake up to the NKS (Native 
> Komplete Standard) and delivering products that have it, giving Komplete 
> Kontrol users more access to more things than just those from the KK package. 
> For example, I have several Orange Tree Samples guitars, and they all have 
> NKS "snapshot" presets. If one is clever and has access to some sighted 
> assistance that can learn how to do it, it's possible to create NKS presets 
> for a plugin  if it parameters are exposable within Kontakt. In fact, there's 
> a KK email list you might be interested in joining wherein such matters  are 
> discussed. To subscribe, send a blank email message to 
> komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com>. I have also 
> contacted Ruben Cornell who produces the Samplecast podcast and asked him to 
> please include mention of NKS compatibility in sample libraries he reviews. I 
> think for the most part he does so, as I'm hearing more and more episodes of 
> his podcast wherein NKS gets mentioned.
> 
>  
> 
> Good luck with your interface serch, and learning the Mac DAW ecosystem, with 
> its diverse access paths and architectures.
> 
>  
> 
> On 6/27/2018 3:26 AM, Benjamin Blatter wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve
>  
> Thanks for your welcoming mail. I think you might have a rock solid point 
> there in being cautious so i’m not jumping in a new caketalking situation. 
> I’ll listen carefully what the others are suggesting and will choose wisely. 
> The real pain is that one these days just can’t try things out anymore, at 
> least in Switzerland where I live. I’m certainly no audio engineer or 
> professional. But I like to have their tools because when I record something 
> I don’t want to have noisy mic preamps. So I’m looking for an audio interface 
> which is good enough in this wish category.
>  
> Oh yes, which DAW is more accessible might have been a slight stupid question 
> since I’m here LOL But I actually think your comment on certain things which 
> might be difficult in logic pro was very kind and honest of you. I’ll keep 
> that in mind and I think I’ll give both DAWS a try. I don’t think you’re that 
> crazy in using four DAWS. I do it all the same with other programs and even 
> hardware audio recorders.
>  
> I can’t see RME audio interface being very accessible on a mac, because my 
> fireface UC certainly was not when I tried. But since i’m rather new to this 
> OS I might have missed something there.
> I probably should add that I have a mackie MCU Pro as a midi control surface. 
> However controlling TotalMix didn’t work

Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Ben,

Yes, from your note, I knew you were looking for more than the 2I2. I was 
mainly mentioning that as a recommendation for the Focusrite brand.

Yes, I am a software engineer by trade and LookTel is the company I have worked 
with for several years now. Now, though, I am working with Nantworks, LookTel’s 
parent company.

LookTel itself is kind of in a transitional phase at the moment and some of our 
software such as Money Reader and Recognizer is now being managed by Nantworks.

So do feel free to check it out and if you have any questions I can answer, do 
feel free to write me privately.

Cheers!

Cara

On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Benjamin Blatter  wrote:

Hi Cara
Thanks, I’ll keep the Focusrite 2i2 as a very simple solution in mind. But I 
think I’ll need a bit more than 2 ins and outs, at least at home.
 
On a personal note: Are you an app developer? I think I’ll give your LookTel a 
try, sounds interesting.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Von: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] Im 
Auftrag von Cara Quinn
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 18:31
An: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
Betreff: Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
 
Hi Ben,
 
I cannot comment on the software portion of audio interfaces, I have had great 
luck and really like Focusrite.
 
For what I am doing at the moment, I just have one of their really small ones 
the Scarlet 2I2 and really like it a lot.
 
I will probably be moving up to a larger one at some point but since I am 
mostly doing production work and recording no more than one or two tracks at a 
time, the 2I2 is working wonderfully.
 
It is USB powered and has no software component to it. It has appropriate knobs 
and switches on the front and connections on both front and back. It is just 
recognized by the Mac automagically.
 
As far as DAWs go, I have both Logic and ProTools and would recommend either 
for different types of work.
 
I will say though, that if you want straight-forward and intuitive workflow 
right out of the box, use ProTools!
 
while Logic is certainly accessible and usable out of the box, if you are doing 
work where you are getting paid by time, wanting to do really fine editing or 
if you are working with anything larger than about 25 tracks or so then expect 
to have a whole lot of infuriating frustration with Logic and Voiceover. :)
 
I am using it since I am doing a prolonged (relaxed) production project for 
friends who have it and so am learning lots about it and it’s workflows. With 
Voiceover though, the processes can be ridiculously convoluted and flakey to 
get some of the simplest things done. -Just my thoughts of course.


However, depending on what you are doing, some processes are handled really 
nicely in Logic. There are a lot of nice conveniences and shortcuts for 
processes that could be really time consuming which are made really easy.


My experience with PT is limited by comparison since I have been spending so 
much time with Logic of late, but as I said, as a whole, it is my opinion that 
PT is just a more streamlined and intuitive workflow over all when using VO.


So take that for what it is worth. :) I like and use both for different things.


I’m assuming others will chime in as well with more informed perspectives. :)


Hope this helps.


Cheers!


Cara


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On Jun 26, 2018, at 10:43 PM, Benjamin Blatter mailto:i...@benjaminblatter.ch>> wrote:
 
Hello all
 
I’m a musician, composer and teacher. I got myself a mac a few months ago. I 
bought Caketalk from Dancing dots a few years ago, only to find out that it 
didn’t quiete work on my computer. Now I’d like to give music production on the 
mac a try.
So, my first question here is about getting a fully accessible audio interface. 
What are you using ? I’d like to have a really professional device, 8 to 16 
channels with digital capabilities. And the interface should be really 
accessible, including software mixer. For the last couple years I have an RME 
Fireface UC. I rely on premade presets from a sighted person. For my mac audio 
interface I’d like to have something I can manage myself, if this is possible 
at all. I don’t mind buying extra hardware like a midi controller for this to 
happen.
And I actually have a secondth question : I just did a little experimenting 
with Logic Pro so far. And I was able to record a small test track with the 
integrated instruments this program offers in about 30 minutes of first use. 
This was pretty amazing. But aside that I’m totally new and aks myself wheter I 
should star

Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Phil Muir]

Hey Ben.  No worries :-)

On 27 June 2018 20:45:35 BST, Benjamin Blatter  wrote:
>Hi Phil
>
> 
>
>Have many thanks for your advice. And thanks for this link to the demo
>of accessing TotalMix of RME products. This is really awesome. But
>after listening to this I think I’d prefer a bit simpler setup with
>more hands on controls. But I’ll keep my Fireface UC around until it
>dies. Mine actually probably is a monday unit because I had to send it
>in for repair already two times in the last about five years because of
>burned out chips. And when I wanted to use an ADAT connection the small
>cover broke. Since then this connector is unusable. So, I just continue
>it to use on my windows pc. But I guess my device on the mac will be
>something else.
>
> 
>
>I see there are three versions of Pro Tools. I think I’ll give the free
>Pro Tools first a try and see how things are working there.
>
> 
>
>Thanks 
>
>Ben
>
> 
>
>Von: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] Im
>Auftrag von Phil Muir
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 10:15
>An: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>Betreff: RE: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
>
> 
>
>Hey Ben.  I would hold on to your RME interface for a couple of
>reasons.  1: even if you decide not to use Windows for recording there
>is software that makes that interface accessible.  They are also
>working on a Mac version of that software but it’s not quite ready yet.
> You can listen to a demo of Can using the software here:
>
> 
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/ao7j620zaz9xe3t/OSC_Demo.m4a?dl=1
>
> 
>
>You could always put Bootcamp on that Mac and purchase a copy of
>Windows 10 Pro retail then you would have the best of both worlds and
>importantly you would be able to configure the RME because the software
>does not depend on any scripts to run although if you have a copy of
>Jaws then it would certainly work with that.
>
> 
>
>2: as accessible as Logic is on the Mac side I personally think that
>when it comes to accessibility in DAW software on the Mac, Pro tools
>wins hands down.  You can use Pro Tools without any third party add-ons
>however if you use it with Flo Tools then it becomes even more
>accessible.
>
> 
>
>3: Logic is becoming more usable on the Mac as is Reaper.  Reaper is
>relatively cheap to purchase if that is a consideration.
>
> 
>
>4: should you decide that you are more comfortable in Windows then
>there are great options such as Samplitude and the free Jaws scripts
>available on the Samplitude Access website:
>
> 
>
>http://www.samplitudeaccess.org.uk/
>
> 
>
>BTW, using Samplitude with Jaws is absolutely nothing like using Cake
>Talking as it just works.  The scripts only provide more feedback in
>the software.
>
> 
>
>Or Reaper and its resources:
>
> 
>
>https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/Main_Page
>
> 
>
>As for Komplete Kontrol that wowrks on Mac and Windows and the
>accessibility is the exact same on either platform.  Anyway hope I
>haven’t given you too much information.  It’s fantastic to have so many
>DAW choices on either platform and you will be sorted no matter which
>way you decide to go.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Regards, Phil Muir
>
>Accessibility Training
>Telephone: UK +44 (0) 1903-783-780
>Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
>E-mail:
>i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk
>URL:
>www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/
>
>  _  
>
>From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
>Behalf Of Benjamin Blatter
>Sent: 27 June 2018 05:43
>To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
>
> 
>
>Hello all
>
> 
>
>I’m a musician, composer and teacher. I got myself a mac a few months
>ago. I bought Caketalk from Dancing dots a few years ago, only to find
>out that it didn’t quiete work on my computer. Now I’d like to give
>music production on the mac a try.
>
>So, my first question here is about getting a fully accessible audio
>interface. What are you using ? I’d like to have a really professional
>device, 8 to 16 channels with digital capabilities. And the interface
>should be really accessible, including software mixer. For the last
>couple years I have an RME Fireface UC. I rely on premade presets from
>a sighted person. For my mac audio interface I’d like to have something
>I can manage myself, if this is possible at all. I don’t mind buying
>extra hardware like a midi controller for this to happen.
>
>And I actually have a secondth question : I just did a little
>experimenting with Logic Pro so far. And I was able to record a small
>test track with the in

Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Steve Martin]

The Focusrite Clarett range is nice, and while the control software is 
inaccessible the iOS app seemed to work well when I last tried it. You will 
need to have the computer running the software on the same wifi connection as 
your iOS device to pair and control the Clarett from the device. The pair 
process itself isn’t accessible as it in voles clicking  the accept button in a 
pop up in the control software that alerts you to an iOS device wanting to pair 
to it. However,  Focusrite support is great about Remoting  into your system to 
pair the device but to also set up and save presets for the Clarett control 
software for you. Loading the presets are accessible as well. 
Another high end option if the Apogee Element range. The element range makes 
the Apogee sound more affordable by forgoing any buttons or knobs on the 
interface itself. Its all controlled from software. There is both the control 
software for your Mac as well as an iOS version, in addition to a physical 
hardware Control Remote that connects to your computer via USB. The Mac version 
of the software isn’t very accessible (with any luck that could be changing 
soon) but the iOS version is quite accessible. You can even install it now and 
play around with demo versions of any of the 3 interfaces in the element range. 
Also pairing the device to the Mac is accessible unlike the Focusrite system. 
Also should you keep using logic, Apogee and Apple has had a long working 
relationship and as such the preamp gain and some other controls are available 
from the logic channel strip. However I have not played with those yet to see 
how ell they work access wise.
The Zoom L12 is a great option if you want something more like a mixer.The 
software is mostly just the driver installation as all routing is handled on 
the mixer itself. There are plenty of one button one function  controls on this 
device which is unusual for a digital mixer but it makes it a breeze to use 
once you learn the layout.  This unit is nice if you are ever working with a 
client as it makes it extremely easy to have a mix for you that has the DAW 
output and voiceover and one for that thats just the DAW output. (You can set 
that up on the others but this definitely is the easiest.). 
The Behringer U-Phoria series is very inexpensive, very feature packed for 
their price, and Core Audio compliant (this means no drivers or software to 
install) and plenty of buttons and knobs on the interface to make up for the 
lack of software. The Scarlet range by Focusrite is a contender to the 
Behringer u-Phoria series but you will pay more for less features   and as 
someone who has  compared the mic preamps/converters between the two units it s 
splitting hairs if that’s what you are gonna compare them on. 
Other worthy contenders would be the Audiofuse by Arturia or the Quantum by 
Presonus. Both do not have any mixer software to contend with  and plenty of 
knobs or buttons to make up for it. Also the PreS`onus is one that allows you 
to control  it from a control surface. They do rely on a control software of 
some kind but once set up once you will probably not need to go in there again. 
And also depending on what set up you are looking for you may not need to get 
in there at all.

Regarding DAW’s. I think logic is a better DAW for songwriting and composers. 
It’s work flow definitely is  geared towards that. Not saying you can’t compose 
in ProTools or that one can’t mix in Logic (I have done both in both DAW’s over 
the years) but composition is logic strength and the wealth of instruments, 
sounds, loops and etc it provides is more than sufficient to get you started. 
Fine editing in logic is a bit more cumbersome from the keyboard than it is in 
other DAW’s especially if you stay  on the track header/tracklist like most of 
us Blind DAW users are used to. But if you get into the track contents area it 
reveals alittle more. Also multi track recording can be a bit annoying in logic 
but you are mostly composing and recording a track at a time this shouldn’t be 
an issue much. 
Logic has the best and most complete implementation of the MCU protocol  for 
control surfaces I have read in a few places so using Logic with a control 
surface  may be able to combat some of the issues with multi track recording. 
This is something I plan to look into more  in the future. Also as you learn 
the program a little rethinking of the KeyMap may make is a bit more user 
friendly. 
ProTools on the other hand lack some of the flexibility of Something like logic 
or even Reaper since you can’t modify the keymap, and it’s support of third 
party control surfaces are limited so for fullest control you will have to 
spend money on an avid surface. That being said it works the best out of the 
box, as in you install it, and open it and can start using it. You still get a 
nice selection of instruments and sounds and its multi tracking and editing 
capabilities are the industry standard 

Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Ben,

I cannot comment on the software portion of audio interfaces, I have had great 
luck and really like Focusrite.

For what I am doing at the moment, I just have one of their really small ones 
the Scarlet 2I2 and really like it a lot.

I will probably be moving up to a larger one at some point but since I am 
mostly doing production work and recording no more than one or two tracks at a 
time, the 2I2 is working wonderfully.

It is USB powered and has no software component to it. It has appropriate knobs 
and switches on the front and connections on both front and back. It is just 
recognized by the Mac automagically.

As far as DAWs go, I have both Logic and ProTools and would recommend either 
for different types of work.

I will say though, that if you want straight-forward and intuitive workflow 
right out of the box, use ProTools!

while Logic is certainly accessible and usable out of the box, if you are doing 
work where you are getting paid by time, wanting to do really fine editing or 
if you are working with anything larger than about 25 tracks or so then expect 
to have a whole lot of infuriating frustration with Logic and Voiceover. :)

I am using it since I am doing a prolonged (relaxed) production project for 
friends who have it and so am learning lots about it and it’s workflows. With 
Voiceover though, the processes can be ridiculously convoluted and flakey to 
get some of the simplest things done. -Just my thoughts of course.

However, depending on what you are doing, some processes are handled really 
nicely in Logic. There are a lot of nice conveniences and shortcuts for 
processes that could be really time consuming which are made really easy.

My experience with PT is limited by comparison since I have been spending so 
much time with Logic of late, but as I said, as a whole, it is my opinion that 
PT is just a more streamlined and intuitive workflow over all when using VO.

So take that for what it is worth. :) I like and use both for different things.

I’m assuming others will chime in as well with more informed perspectives. :)

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

Cara

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On Jun 26, 2018, at 10:43 PM, Benjamin Blatter  wrote:

Hello all
 
I’m a musician, composer and teacher. I got myself a mac a few months ago. I 
bought Caketalk from Dancing dots a few years ago, only to find out that it 
didn’t quiete work on my computer. Now I’d like to give music production on the 
mac a try.
So, my first question here is about getting a fully accessible audio interface. 
What are you using ? I’d like to have a really professional device, 8 to 16 
channels with digital capabilities. And the interface should be really 
accessible, including software mixer. For the last couple years I have an RME 
Fireface UC. I rely on premade presets from a sighted person. For my mac audio 
interface I’d like to have something I can manage myself, if this is possible 
at all. I don’t mind buying extra hardware like a midi controller for this to 
happen.
And I actually have a secondth question : I just did a little experimenting 
with Logic Pro so far. And I was able to record a small test track with the 
integrated instruments this program offers in about 30 minutes of first use. 
This was pretty amazing. But aside that I’m totally new and aks myself wheter I 
should start using logic pro or pro tools for my work. I got here because 
someone on the Dancing Dots list suggested me posting my audio interface 
question on this list.
Which DAW is more accessible  out of the box ? Because I never had really good 
experience with jaws scripts using sonar I’m hoping that both programs could be 
used without any scripts which just work in a certain system configuration and 
so on.
I hope I don’t sound too pesimistic and frustrated, alltough I admit that I was 
just that when I found out my purchase of Caketalking was for nothing after 
much fiddling arround at the end. But I’m willing to start anew on the mac. I 
like this OS so far very much.
I’ve got a Macbook Pro 2015. And if things are working out fine and I need more 
power in order to do my things I’m considering to buy a mac pro, if there will 
be a new one eventually that is ...
 
So, thanks for your help and kind regards
Ben
 

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RE: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Phil Muir]

Hey Ben.  I would hold on to your RME interface for a couple of reasons.  1:
even if you decide not to use Windows for recording there is software that
makes that interface accessible.  They are also working on a Mac version of
that software but it's not quite ready yet.  You can listen to a demo of Can
using the software here:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ao7j620zaz9xe3t/OSC_Demo.m4a?dl=1

 

You could always put Bootcamp on that Mac and purchase a copy of Windows 10
Pro retail then you would have the best of both worlds and importantly you
would be able to configure the RME because the software does not depend on
any scripts to run although if you have a copy of Jaws then it would
certainly work with that.

 

2: as accessible as Logic is on the Mac side I personally think that when it
comes to accessibility in DAW software on the Mac, Pro tools wins hands
down.  You can use Pro Tools without any third party add-ons however if you
use it with Flo Tools then it becomes even more accessible.

 

3: Logic is becoming more usable on the Mac as is Reaper.  Reaper is
relatively cheap to purchase if that is a consideration.

 

4: should you decide that you are more comfortable in Windows then there are
great options such as Samplitude and the free Jaws scripts available on the
Samplitude Access website:

 

http://www.samplitudeaccess.org.uk/

 

BTW, using Samplitude with Jaws is absolutely nothing like using Cake
Talking as it just works.  The scripts only provide more feedback in the
software.

 

Or Reaper and its resources:

 

https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/Main_Page

 

As for Komplete Kontrol that wowrks on Mac and Windows and the accessibility
is the exact same on either platform.  Anyway hope I haven't given you too
much information.  It's fantastic to have so many DAW choices on either
platform and you will be sorted no matter which way you decide to go.

 

 

Regards, Phil Muir

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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Benjamin Blatter
Sent: 27 June 2018 05:43
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

 

Hello all

 

I'm a musician, composer and teacher. I got myself a mac a few months ago. I
bought Caketalk from Dancing dots a few years ago, only to find out that it
didn't quiete work on my computer. Now I'd like to give music production on
the mac a try.

So, my first question here is about getting a fully accessible audio
interface. What are you using ? I'd like to have a really professional
device, 8 to 16 channels with digital capabilities. And the interface should
be really accessible, including software mixer. For the last couple years I
have an RME Fireface UC. I rely on premade presets from a sighted person.
For my mac audio interface I'd like to have something I can manage myself,
if this is possible at all. I don't mind buying extra hardware like a midi
controller for this to happen.

And I actually have a secondth question : I just did a little experimenting
with Logic Pro so far. And I was able to record a small test track with the
integrated instruments this program offers in about 30 minutes of first use.
This was pretty amazing. But aside that I'm totally new and aks myself
wheter I should start using logic pro or pro tools for my work. I got here
because someone on the Dancing Dots list suggested me posting my audio
interface question on this list.

Which DAW is more accessible  out of the box ? Because I never had really
good experience with jaws scripts using sonar I'm hoping that both programs
could be used without any scripts which just work in a certain system
configuration and so on.

I hope I don't sound too pesimistic and frustrated, alltough I admit that I
was just that when I found out my purchase of Caketalking was for nothing
after much fiddling arround at the end. But I'm willing to start anew on the
mac. I like this OS so far very much.

I've got a Macbook Pro 2015. And if things are working out fine and I need
more power in order to do my things I'm considering to buy a mac pro, if
there will be a new one eventually that is ...

 

So, thanks for your help and kind regards

Ben

 

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Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces

[Steve Matzura]

Welcome,Ben:


As always, you will find there are many answerers and answers to your 
questions.



As for the audio interface, there are several very accessible ones, some 
with real knobs, buttons, and sliders, some with no hardware controls at 
all, requiring a control surface to control them. This latter solution 
will, of course, double the cost of the interface, but the good side of 
that, if you can see it as one, is that control surfaces can be used for 
controlling the audio interface and the DAW with a simple button-press. 
If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't sink a lot of money into anything 
right away, especially the audio interface, until I was rock-solid sure 
I was committed to this new stuff I just bought. You don't want to get 
into another Sonar+CakeTalking situation if you can avoid it, and I 
think you can. Focusrite and RME make some very professional and 
accessible interfaces. On the less expensive side, but not necessarily 
of relationally inferior quality, Behringer has some good things, too. 
Folks in here will tell you their preferences and reasons, I'm sure, as 
I said before. What do I use? A Behringer X-Air 18 controlled by the 
Behringer X-Touch controller, which I also use in two Windows DAW's. 
Four DAW's? Call me crazy, and you'd probably not be alone, but for me, 
that's half the fun of it since I'm not in it for business 
purposes--keeping up with the current state of the art, so to speak.



 As to which DAW is more accessible out of the box, well, that question 
has been known to start wars (smile)! I'll keep my head below the 
parapet and just remind you of where you're posting your messages, and 
let you figure out what the answer will be from probably everyone in 
here (LOL). That having been said, folks get work done in both programs, 
but, OK, I'll poke my head up at the risk of getting it shot off by 
Logic users, there are accessibility issues when editing audio therein. 
Someone will also probably pop in and give a complete and concise list 
of what can and can't be done accessibly in either DAW. After that, I 
think it all comes down to workflow.



On the social side, what kinds of music do you make and teach? I've had 
a lot of classical piano training, but tossed the idea of a career in 
classical music aside for one in the computer biz instead, starting long 
before accessibility was even a concept, let alone a popular term. Music 
is what I would call a serious hobby for me--I'm kind of like the folks 
with great big model railroad layouts in their basements, always adding 
a new car, or spur track, or signalling system. That's me all over the 
place, always adding and learning to use new plugins and trying to learn 
how to play instruments with a keyboard that don't have one in reality. 
I do keep up my technique by practicing semi-regularly though. I have 
absolutely no composition or creative skills of any kind, but I have an 
awful lot of fun making some very interesting musical noises (LOL). I 
started out in the eighties with DOS-based sequencing packages, and when 
Windows accessibility became a thing, I, too, jumped on the 
Sonar+CakeTalking bandwagon. I abandoned it in about 2009 or '10, aside 
from one project I had to do in 2012 for a backing track for a vocal 
competition. The Windows DAW scene changed for me in 2016 with the 
introduction of accessibility for Samplitude, and improved accessibility 
for Reaper. I got into, or onto, the Mac side about a year later with 
Logic,then earlier this year with Pro Tools. By no means do I know any 
of those four DAW's well, but I *can* get some so-called "real work" 
done in them, and for me, that's enough.


On 6/27/2018 12:43 AM, Benjamin Blatter wrote:


Hello all

I’m a musician, composer and teacher. I got myself a mac a few months 
ago. I bought Caketalk from Dancing dots a few years ago, only to find 
out that it didn’t quiete work on my computer. Now I’d like to give 
music production on the mac a try.


So, my first question here is about getting a fully accessible audio 
interface. What are you using ? I’d like to have a really professional 
device, 8 to 16 channels with digital capabilities. And the interface 
should be really accessible, including software mixer. For the last 
couple years I have an RME Fireface UC. I rely on premade presets from 
a sighted person. For my mac audio interface I’d like to have 
something I can manage myself, if this is possible at all. I don’t 
mind buying extra hardware like a midi controller for this to happen.


And I actually have a secondth question : I just did a little 
experimenting with Logic Pro so far. And I was able to record a small 
test track with the integrated instruments this program offers in 
about 30 minutes of first use. This was pretty amazing. But aside that 
I’m totally new and aks myself wheter I should start using logic pro 
or pro tools for my work. I got here because someone on the Dancing 
Dots list suggested me posting my