Re: [cabfpub] Ballot FORUM-12: Creation of S/MIME Certificates Working Group

2020-05-20 Thread Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public 


According to https://wiki.cabforum.org/ballots, it should be FORUM-11

Dimitris.

On 2020-05-21 1:19 π.μ., Ryan Sleevi via Public wrote:
Oh, and the ballot number will need to be updated - I'm not sure how 
both collided on 'FORUM-12' (Dimitris' Bylaws ballot and this)


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:18 PM Ryan Sleevi > wrote:




On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:20 PM Tim Hollebeek
mailto:tim.holleb...@digicert.com>>
wrote:

I’m willing to drop the scope statement based on Thursday’s
discussion and the addition of the paragraph I suggested to
the introduction, which describes much of the same thing in a
form that seems more acceptable to most.  Clint and Wayne, are
you ok with that?

On the subject of redlines, //github_redline_guide is not
normative, so I disagree that it is not a valid Ballot.  But
that’s not really important, because I’m more than happy to
improve the ballot by fixing the link.


While I realize we end up frequently discussing this, I think you
may have missed that this was a different scenario than you may
have realized.

If your ballot had included the full text, then I agree, the
redline link was not normative. However, your ballot just pointed
to a link, and so that made the link itself normative. The
contents of the link were not actually a charter, they were just a
few edits. That's why it wasn't really a "Ballot".

This is easily fixed in the next run. You can paste the full text,
as I think you're one of the folks who still prefers to do so,
despite the risks, or you could provide the full link to all the
edits, which will at least include a "full charter". Just a single
commit on its own, or "as of this revision", can end up being
ambiguous :) In the future, the infrastructure WG efforts will
certainly make this easier, and it's not difficult to imagine an
easy "create a ballot for me" that provides the PDF, docx, and
patch file and stable link, so appreciate your patience :)

Assuming Clint and Wayne sign off, please merge the change,
and I’ll update the ballot.


One more set of issues, now that scope has been finalized, that
came up on another review cycle:
https://github.com/sleevi/cabforum-docs/pull/22/files

-Tim

*From:* Ryan Sleevi mailto:sle...@google.com>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 5:44 PM
*To:* Tim Hollebeek mailto:tim.holleb...@digicert.com>>; CABforum1
mailto:public@cabforum.org>>
*Subject:* Re: [cabfpub] Ballot FORUM-12: Creation of S/MIME
Certificates Working Group

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 5:18 PM Tim Hollebeek via Public
mailto:public@cabforum.org>> wrote:

Upon approval of the CAB Forum by ballot in accordance
with section 5.3 of the Bylaws, the S/MIME Certificates
Working Group (“SMWG”) is created to perform the
activities as specified in the Charter, with the Charter
as described here

(https://github.com/cabforum/documents/pull/167/commits/2aa376c06b45146249d0cc6b8cc5d42d08ccb177).

Just to be clear: This link doesn't match the link for a valid
proposal, so I don't think this is a valid Ballot yet.
https://wiki.cabforum.org/github_redline_guide is helpful, but
any suggestions for improvements are welcome.

The immutable link is

https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/6e0b8e61590164eb2d686ddcf266b189f46fc636...2aa376c06b45146249d0cc6b8cc5d42d08ccb177

The pull request is still
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/pull/167

Again, our concern is that the statement that "non-publicly
trusted S/MIME certificates are out of scope" accomplishes
nothing valuable, and causes real harm. That is, either it
fails to keep anything out of scope due to its definition, OR
limits the discussion to being impossible to introduce any new
requirements due to, by definition, anything not in the
existing documents is out of scope. Neither of these scenarios
are good, and the risk of harm outweighs any benefits. We
remain committed to trying to work with you and understand
your goals, to find language that better captures those goals
without the problematic ambiguity and harm of what's being
proposed.


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Re: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread Vijay Kumar M via Public 
eMudhra votes YES on ballot Forum-12

Regards,
Vijay

From: Public  On Behalf Of Dimitris Zacharopoulos 
(HARICA) via Public
Sent: 18 May 2020 21:00
To: public@cabforum.org
Subject: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws


The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and 
endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of Digicert.

Purpose of Ballot:

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made to 
the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to 
function more effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues 
with Bylaws to be 
addressed”
 document.

Here is a list of major changes:

  1.  Clarified the use of the term “Member” so it is clear when we discuss 
about all Forum Members (which includes Associate Members and Interested 
Parties), and when we discuss about the “Voting Members”. Adding the word 
“Voting” in front of the word “Member” removes this ambiguity. Also, the term 
“Members” or “Forum Members” is now the union of “Voting Members”, “Associate 
Members” and “Interested Parties”.

  1.  Added the term “Voting Representative” which is designated by each 
Member. Only votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be considered.

  1.  Replaced “Forum wiki” with the properly defined term “Member Web Site”.

  1.  Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of “Public Web Site” 
since it is repeated in section 5.2.

  1.  Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.

  1.  Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives

  1.  Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines

  1.  In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the “latest” 
software produced by a Certificate Consumer

  1.  In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having vacated 
the position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead of two (2) years.

-- MOTION BEGINS --

Amendment to the Bylaws: Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of the 
CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3.pdf).

NOTE: There are three redline versions:

  1.  PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")

  1.  DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")

  1.  GitHub redline available at 
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca0385e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e9f059f30f21a85
-- MOTION ENDS --

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:

Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

Start time (15:00 UTC)

End time (15:00 UTC)

Discussion (14 days)

04 May 2020

18 May 2020

Vote for approval (7 days)

18 May 2020

25 May 2020

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Re: [cabfpub] Ballot FORUM-12: Creation of S/MIME Certificates Working Group

2020-05-20 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public 
Oh, and the ballot number will need to be updated - I'm not sure how both
collided on 'FORUM-12' (Dimitris' Bylaws ballot and this)

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:18 PM Ryan Sleevi  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:20 PM Tim Hollebeek 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m willing to drop the scope statement based on Thursday’s discussion
>> and the addition of the paragraph I suggested to the introduction, which
>> describes much of the same thing in a form that seems more acceptable to
>> most.  Clint and Wayne, are you ok with that?
>>
>>
>>
>> On the subject of redlines, //github_redline_guide is not normative, so I
>> disagree that it is not a valid Ballot.  But that’s not really important,
>> because I’m more than happy to improve the ballot by fixing the link.
>>
>
> While I realize we end up frequently discussing this, I think you may have
> missed that this was a different scenario than you may have realized.
>
> If your ballot had included the full text, then I agree, the redline link
> was not normative. However, your ballot just pointed to a link, and so that
> made the link itself normative. The contents of the link were not actually
> a charter, they were just a few edits. That's why it wasn't really a
> "Ballot".
>
> This is easily fixed in the next run. You can paste the full text, as I
> think you're one of the folks who still prefers to do so, despite the
> risks, or you could provide the full link to all the edits, which will at
> least include a "full charter". Just a single commit on its own, or "as of
> this revision", can end up being ambiguous :) In the future, the
> infrastructure WG efforts will certainly make this easier, and it's not
> difficult to imagine an easy "create a ballot for me" that provides the
> PDF, docx, and patch file and stable link, so appreciate your patience :)
>
>
>> Assuming Clint and Wayne sign off, please merge the change, and I’ll
>> update the ballot.
>>
>
> One more set of issues, now that scope has been finalized, that came up on
> another review cycle:
> https://github.com/sleevi/cabforum-docs/pull/22/files
>
>
>>
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ryan Sleevi 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 5:44 PM
>> *To:* Tim Hollebeek ; CABforum1 <
>> public@cabforum.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [cabfpub] Ballot FORUM-12: Creation of S/MIME
>> Certificates Working Group
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 5:18 PM Tim Hollebeek via Public <
>> public@cabforum.org> wrote:
>>
>> Upon approval of the CAB Forum by ballot in accordance with section 5.3
>> of the Bylaws, the S/MIME Certificates Working Group (“SMWG”) is created to
>> perform the activities as specified in the Charter, with the Charter as
>> described here (
>> https://github.com/cabforum/documents/pull/167/commits/2aa376c06b45146249d0cc6b8cc5d42d08ccb177
>> ).
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to be clear: This link doesn't match the link for a valid proposal,
>> so I don't think this is a valid Ballot yet.
>> https://wiki.cabforum.org/github_redline_guide is helpful, but any
>> suggestions for improvements are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> The immutable link is
>> https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/6e0b8e61590164eb2d686ddcf266b189f46fc636...2aa376c06b45146249d0cc6b8cc5d42d08ccb177
>>
>>
>>
>> The pull request is still https://github.com/cabforum/documents/pull/167
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, our concern is that the statement that "non-publicly trusted
>> S/MIME certificates are out of scope" accomplishes nothing valuable, and
>> causes real harm. That is, either it fails to keep anything out of scope
>> due to its definition, OR limits the discussion to being impossible to
>> introduce any new requirements due to, by definition, anything not in the
>> existing documents is out of scope. Neither of these scenarios are good,
>> and the risk of harm outweighs any benefits. We remain committed to trying
>> to work with you and understand your goals, to find language that better
>> captures those goals without the problematic ambiguity and harm of what's
>> being proposed.
>>
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Re: [cabfpub] Ballot FORUM-12: Creation of S/MIME Certificates Working Group

2020-05-20 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public 
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:20 PM Tim Hollebeek 
wrote:

> I’m willing to drop the scope statement based on Thursday’s discussion and
> the addition of the paragraph I suggested to the introduction, which
> describes much of the same thing in a form that seems more acceptable to
> most.  Clint and Wayne, are you ok with that?
>
>
>
> On the subject of redlines, //github_redline_guide is not normative, so I
> disagree that it is not a valid Ballot.  But that’s not really important,
> because I’m more than happy to improve the ballot by fixing the link.
>

While I realize we end up frequently discussing this, I think you may have
missed that this was a different scenario than you may have realized.

If your ballot had included the full text, then I agree, the redline link
was not normative. However, your ballot just pointed to a link, and so that
made the link itself normative. The contents of the link were not actually
a charter, they were just a few edits. That's why it wasn't really a
"Ballot".

This is easily fixed in the next run. You can paste the full text, as I
think you're one of the folks who still prefers to do so, despite the
risks, or you could provide the full link to all the edits, which will at
least include a "full charter". Just a single commit on its own, or "as of
this revision", can end up being ambiguous :) In the future, the
infrastructure WG efforts will certainly make this easier, and it's not
difficult to imagine an easy "create a ballot for me" that provides the
PDF, docx, and patch file and stable link, so appreciate your patience :)


> Assuming Clint and Wayne sign off, please merge the change, and I’ll
> update the ballot.
>

One more set of issues, now that scope has been finalized, that came up on
another review cycle: https://github.com/sleevi/cabforum-docs/pull/22/files


>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Sleevi 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 5:44 PM
> *To:* Tim Hollebeek ; CABforum1 <
> public@cabforum.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [cabfpub] Ballot FORUM-12: Creation of S/MIME Certificates
> Working Group
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 5:18 PM Tim Hollebeek via Public <
> public@cabforum.org> wrote:
>
> Upon approval of the CAB Forum by ballot in accordance with section 5.3 of
> the Bylaws, the S/MIME Certificates Working Group (“SMWG”) is created to
> perform the activities as specified in the Charter, with the Charter as
> described here (
> https://github.com/cabforum/documents/pull/167/commits/2aa376c06b45146249d0cc6b8cc5d42d08ccb177
> ).
>
>
>
> Just to be clear: This link doesn't match the link for a valid proposal,
> so I don't think this is a valid Ballot yet.
> https://wiki.cabforum.org/github_redline_guide is helpful, but any
> suggestions for improvements are welcome.
>
>
>
> The immutable link is
> https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/6e0b8e61590164eb2d686ddcf266b189f46fc636...2aa376c06b45146249d0cc6b8cc5d42d08ccb177
>
>
>
> The pull request is still https://github.com/cabforum/documents/pull/167
>
>
>
> Again, our concern is that the statement that "non-publicly trusted S/MIME
> certificates are out of scope" accomplishes nothing valuable, and causes
> real harm. That is, either it fails to keep anything out of scope due to
> its definition, OR limits the discussion to being impossible to introduce
> any new requirements due to, by definition, anything not in the existing
> documents is out of scope. Neither of these scenarios are good, and the
> risk of harm outweighs any benefits. We remain committed to trying to work
> with you and understand your goals, to find language that better captures
> those goals without the problematic ambiguity and harm of what's being
> proposed.
>
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Re: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Public 
DigiCert votes YES on Forum-12.

 

-Tim

 

From: Public  On Behalf Of Dimitris Zacharopoulos 
(HARICA) via Public
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 11:30 AM
To: CABforum1 
Subject: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

 

The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and 
endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of Digicert. 

Purpose of Ballot: 

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made to 
the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to 
function more effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues 
with Bylaws to be addressed 

 ” document. 

Here is a list of major changes: 

1.  Clarified the use of the term “Member” so it is clear when we discuss 
about all Forum Members (which includes Associate Members and Interested 
Parties), and when we discuss about the “Voting Members”. Adding the word 
“Voting” in front of the word “Member” removes this ambiguity. Also, the term 
“Members” or “Forum Members” is now the union of “Voting Members”, “Associate 
Members” and “Interested Parties”.

2.  Added the term “Voting Representative” which is designated by each 
Member. Only votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be considered.

3.  Replaced “Forum wiki” with the properly defined term “Member Web Site”.

4.  Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of “Public Web Site” 
since it is repeated in section 5.2.

5.  Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.

6.  Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives 

7.  Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines

8.  In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the “latest” 
software produced by a Certificate Consumer

9.  In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having 
vacated the position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead of two (2) 
years.

-- MOTION BEGINS -- 

Amendment to the Bylaws: Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of the 
CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3.pdf). 

NOTE: There are three redline versions: 

1.  PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")

2.  DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")

3.  GitHub redline available at 
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca0385e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e9f059f30f21a85

-- MOTION ENDS -- 

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows: 


Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws 

Start time (15:00 UTC) 

End time (15:00 UTC) 


Discussion (14 days) 

04 May 2020 

18 May 2020


Vote for approval (7 days) 

18 May 2020

25 May 2020

 



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Re: [cabfpub] Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread Jos Purvis (jopurvis) via Public 
Cisco votes YES on FORUM-12.

 

 

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.:|:.:|:. cisco systems | Cryptographic Services
PGP: 0xFD802FEE07D19105 | Controls and Trust Verification

 

 

From: Public  on behalf of CA/B Forum Public List 

Reply-To: "Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)" , CA/B Forum 
Public List 
Date: Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:59 AM
To: CA/B Forum Public List 
Subject: [cabfpub] Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

 

The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and 
endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of Digicert. 

Purpose of Ballot: 

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made to 
the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to 
function more effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues 
with Bylaws to be addressed” document. 

Here is a list of major changes: 

Clarified the use of the term “Member” so it is clear when we discuss about all 
Forum Members (which includes Associate Members and Interested Parties), and 
when we discuss about the “Voting Members”. Adding the word “Voting” in front 
of the word “Member” removes this ambiguity. Also, the term “Members” or “Forum 
Members” is now the union of “Voting Members”, “Associate Members” and 
“Interested Parties”.
Added the term “Voting Representative” which is designated by each Member. Only 
votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be considered.
Replaced “Forum wiki” with the properly defined term “Member Web Site”.
Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of “Public Web Site” since 
it is repeated in section 5.2.
Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.
Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives 
Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines
In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the “latest” software 
produced by a Certificate Consumer
In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having vacated the 
position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead of two (2) years.
-- MOTION BEGINS -- 

Amendment to the Bylaws: Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of the 
CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3.pdf). 

NOTE: There are three redline versions: 

PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")
DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")
GitHub redline available at 
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca0385e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e9f059f30f21a85
-- MOTION ENDS -- 

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows: 

Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws Start time (15:00 UTC) End time (15:00 UTC) 
Discussion (14 days) 04 May 2020 18 May 2020
Vote for approval (7 days) TBDTBD

 



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[cabfpub] 答复: Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread 安垠 via Public 
iTrusChina  votes YES on Ballot Forum-12.

 

Regards,

An Yin

iTrusChina Co.,Ltd.

 

发件人: Public  代表 Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) 
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发送时间: 2020年5月18日 23:30
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主题: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

 

The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and 
endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of Digicert. 

Purpose of Ballot: 

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made to 
the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to 
function more effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues 
with Bylaws to be addressed 

 ” document. 

Here is a list of major changes: 

1.  Clarified the use of the term “Member” so it is clear when we discuss 
about all Forum Members (which includes Associate Members and Interested 
Parties), and when we discuss about the “Voting Members”. Adding the word 
“Voting” in front of the word “Member” removes this ambiguity. Also, the term 
“Members” or “Forum Members” is now the union of “Voting Members”, “Associate 
Members” and “Interested Parties”.

2.  Added the term “Voting Representative” which is designated by each 
Member. Only votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be considered.

3.  Replaced “Forum wiki” with the properly defined term “Member Web Site”.

4.  Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of “Public Web Site” 
since it is repeated in section 5.2.

5.  Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.

6.  Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives 

7.  Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines

8.  In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the “latest” 
software produced by a Certificate Consumer

9.  In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having 
vacated the position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead of two (2) 
years.

-- MOTION BEGINS -- 

Amendment to the Bylaws: Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of the 
CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3.pdf). 

NOTE: There are three redline versions: 

1.  PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")

2.  DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")

3.  GitHub redline available at 
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca0385e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e9f059f30f21a85

-- MOTION ENDS -- 

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows: 


Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws 

Start time (15:00 UTC) 

End time (15:00 UTC) 


Discussion (14 days) 

04 May 2020 

18 May 2020


Vote for approval (7 days) 

18 May 2020

25 May 2020

 

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Re: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread Daniela Hood via Public 
GoDaddy votes YES on ballot “Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws”

Best,

Daniela Hood

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The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and 
endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of Digicert.

Purpose of Ballot:

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made to 
the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to 
function more effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues 
with Bylaws to be 
addressed”
 document.

Here is a list of major changes:

  1.  Clarified the use of the term “Member” so it is clear when we discuss 
about all Forum Members (which includes Associate Members and Interested 
Parties), and when we discuss about the “Voting Members”. Adding the word 
“Voting” in front of the word “Member” removes this ambiguity. Also, the term 
“Members” or “Forum Members” is now the union of “Voting Members”, “Associate 
Members” and “Interested Parties”.

  1.  Added the term “Voting Representative” which is designated by each 
Member. Only votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be considered.

  1.  Replaced “Forum wiki” with the properly defined term “Member Web Site”.

  1.  Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of “Public Web Site” 
since it is repeated in section 5.2.

  1.  Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.

  1.  Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives

  1.  Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines

  1.  In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the “latest” 
software produced by a Certificate Consumer

  1.  In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having vacated 
the position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead of two (2) years.

-- MOTION BEGINS --

Amendment to the Bylaws: Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of the 
CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3.pdf).

NOTE: There are three redline versions:

  1.  PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")

  1.  DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")

  1.  GitHub redline available at 
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca0385e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e9f059f30f21a85
-- MOTION ENDS --

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:

Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

Start time (15:00 UTC)

End time (15:00 UTC)

Discussion (14 days)

04 May 2020

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Vote for approval (7 days)

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[cabfpub] 答复: Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread Xiu Lei via Public 
GDCA votes Yes on ballot Forum-12.

 

Thanks.

  _  

Best regards,

Xiu Lei

Security Policy Committee

Global Digital Cybersecurity Authority CO., LTD. (GDCA) 

http://www.gdca.com.cn 

 

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Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public
发送时间: 2020年5月18日 23:30
收件人: public@cabforum.org
主题: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

 

The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and 
endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of Digicert. 

Purpose of Ballot: 

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made to 
the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to 
function more effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues 
with Bylaws to be addressed 

 ” document. 

Here is a list of major changes: 

1.  Clarified the use of the term “Member” so it is clear when we discuss 
about all Forum Members (which includes Associate Members and Interested 
Parties), and when we discuss about the “Voting Members”. Adding the word 
“Voting” in front of the word “Member” removes this ambiguity. Also, the term 
“Members” or “Forum Members” is now the union of “Voting Members”, “Associate 
Members” and “Interested Parties”.

2.  Added the term “Voting Representative” which is designated by each 
Member. Only votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be considered.

3.  Replaced “Forum wiki” with the properly defined term “Member Web Site”.

4.  Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of “Public Web Site” 
since it is repeated in section 5.2.

5.  Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.

6.  Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives 

7.  Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines

8.  In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the “latest” 
software produced by a Certificate Consumer

9.  In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having 
vacated the position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead of two (2) 
years.

-- MOTION BEGINS -- 

Amendment to the Bylaws: Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of the 
CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3.pdf). 

NOTE: There are three redline versions: 

1.  PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")

2.  DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")

3.  GitHub redline available at 
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca0385e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e9f059f30f21a85

-- MOTION ENDS -- 

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows: 


Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws 

Start time (15:00 UTC) 

End time (15:00 UTC) 


Discussion (14 days) 

04 May 2020 

18 May 2020


Vote for approval (7 days) 

18 May 2020

25 May 2020

 

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Re: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread 霍海涛 via Public 
360 votes YES

From: Public  on behalf of "Dimitris Zacharopoulos 
(HARICA) via Public" 
Reply-To: "Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)" , CA/Browser 
Forum Public Discussion List 
Date: Monday, May 18, 2020 at 23:33
To: "public@cabforum.org" 
Subject: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws


The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA and 
endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of Digicert.

Purpose of Ballot:

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made to 
the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to 
function more effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues 
with Bylaws to be 
addressed”
 document.

Here is a list of major changes:

  1.  Clarified the use of the term “Member” so it is clear when we discuss 
about all Forum Members (which includes Associate Members and Interested 
Parties), and when we discuss about the “Voting Members”. Adding the word 
“Voting” in front of the word “Member” removes this ambiguity. Also, the term 
“Members” or “Forum Members” is now the union of “Voting Members”, “Associate 
Members” and “Interested Parties”.

  1.  Added the term “Voting Representative” which is designated by each 
Member. Only votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be considered.

  1.  Replaced “Forum wiki” with the properly defined term “Member Web Site”.

  1.  Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of “Public Web Site” 
since it is repeated in section 5.2.

  1.  Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.

  1.  Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives

  1.  Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines

  1.  In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the “latest” 
software produced by a Certificate Consumer

  1.  In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having vacated 
the position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead of two (2) years.

-- MOTION BEGINS --

Amendment to the Bylaws: Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of the 
CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3.pdf).

NOTE: There are three redline versions:

  1.  PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")

  1.  DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")

  1.  GitHub redline available at 
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca0385e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e9f059f30f21a85
-- MOTION ENDS --

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:

Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws


Start time (15:00 UTC)


End time (15:00 UTC)


Discussion (14 days)


04 May 2020


18 May 2020


Vote for approval (7 days)


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Re: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread Neil Dunbar via Public 

TrustCor votes "YES" to Ballot Forum-12

Regards,

Neil

On 18/05/2020 16:30, Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public wrote:


The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of 
HARICA and endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of 
Digicert.


*Purpose of Ballot*:

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be 
made to the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow 
the Forum to function more effectively. Most of these changes are 
described in the “Issues with Bylaws to be addressed 
” 
document.


Here is a list of major changes:

1.
Clarified the use of the term “Member” so it is clear when we
discuss about all Forum Members (which includes Associate Members
and Interested Parties), and when we discuss about the “Voting
Members”. Adding the word “Voting” in front of the word “Member”
removes this ambiguity. Also, the term “Members” or “Forum
Members” is now the union of “Voting Members”, “Associate Members”
and “Interested Parties”.
2.
Added the term “Voting Representative” which is designated by each
Member. Only votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be
considered.
3.
Replaced “Forum wiki” with the properly defined term “Member Web
Site”.
4.
Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of “Public Web
Site” since it is repeated in section 5.2.
5.
Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.
6.
Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives
7.
Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines
8.
In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the
“latest” software produced by a Certificate Consumer
9.
In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having
vacated the position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead
of two (2) years.

*-- MOTION BEGINS --*

*Amendment to the Bylaws:* Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of 
the CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum 
Bylaws v2.3.pdf).


*NOTE:* There are three redline versions:

1.
PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")
2.
DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")
3.
GitHub redline available at

https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca0385e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e9f059f30f21a85

*-- MOTION ENDS --*

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:

*Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws*



*Start time (15:00 UTC)*



*End time (15:00 UTC)*

Discussion (14 days)



04 May 2020



18 May 2020

Vote for approval (7 days)



18 May 2020



25 May 2020


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Re: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws

2020-05-20 Thread Tamer ERGUN via Public 
Kamu SM votes yes.

 

Regards,

 

Dr. Tamer ERGUN

Head of E-Signature Technologies Department 

 

TÜBİTAK/BİLGEM/Kamu SM

Çamlıca Mahallesi 408. Cadde No: 136

C Blok 5. Kat Yenimahalle/Ankara

 

www.tubitak.gov.tr  

  tamer.er...@kamusm.gov.tr

 

 

 

  _  

From: Public [public-boun...@cabforum.org] on behalf of Dimitris
Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public [public@cabforum.org]
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 5:30 PM
To: public@cabforum.org  
Subject: [cabfpub] Voting Begins for ballot Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum
Bylaws

The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos of HARICA
and endorsed by Mike Reilly of Microsoft and Tim Hollebeek of Digicert. 

Purpose of Ballot: 

The Forum has identified and discussed a number of improvements to be made
to the current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum
to function more effectively. Most of these changes are described in the
"Issues with Bylaws to be addressed
 " document. 

Here is a list of major changes: 

1.  Clarified the use of the term "Member" so it is clear when we
discuss about all Forum Members (which includes Associate Members and
Interested Parties), and when we discuss about the "Voting Members". Adding
the word "Voting" in front of the word "Member" removes this ambiguity.
Also, the term "Members" or "Forum Members" is now the union of "Voting
Members", "Associate Members" and "Interested Parties".

2.  Added the term "Voting Representative" which is designated by each
Member. Only votes submitted by Voting Representatives will be considered.

3.  Replaced "Forum wiki" with the properly defined term "Member Web
Site".

4.  Removed references for Webmaster in the definition of "Public Web
Site" since it is repeated in section 5.2.

5.  Added the Photography Policy in Exhibit D.

6.  Clarify 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate representatives 

7.  Allow Informative Changes to Guidelines

8.  In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the
"latest" software produced by a Certificate Consumer

9.  In 4.1 the Chair is eligible to be elected as Chair after having
vacated the position as Chair for at least one (1) term, instead of two (2)
years.

-- MOTION BEGINS -- 

Amendment to the Bylaws: Replace the entire text of the Bylaws of the
CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws
v2.3.pdf). 

NOTE: There are three redline versions: 

1.  PDF (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.pdf")

2.  DOCX (attached as "CA-Browser Forum Bylaws v2.3-redline.docx")

3.  GitHub redline available at
https://github.com/cabforum/documents/compare/fc63be73323195abc4e462708ca038
5e37b7043d..a94d136c6ddbd0024e9bdc70785aa71f1e2f6753#diff-c2f0349076f544cc0e
9f059f30f21a85

-- MOTION ENDS -- 

The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows: 


Forum-12 - Update CA/B Forum Bylaws 

Start time (15:00 UTC) 

End time (15:00 UTC) 


Discussion (14 days) 

04 May 2020 

18 May 2020


Vote for approval (7 days) 

18 May 2020

25 May 2020

 

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