Re: How do you deprecate URIs? Re: OWL-DL and linked data
On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Booth, David (HP Software - Boston) wrote: [snip] as a misuse of owl:sameAs or a misuse of dc:creator, and I was pointing out that, no, according to my understanding of the RDF and OWL semantics documents, one could *not* just as well view this as a misuse of owl:sameAs: the misuse (if there is one) is clearly of dc:creator. You've given no explanation how that would work. No one denies that that is what follows according to the semantics. The question is what is the task at hand and the fitness of the existing semantics to that task. If the task at hand is to indicate that two terms are co-referential (but, for example, coined by different people for different purposes) then, given the rest of the ecosystem, sameAs is the wrong thing. That you can repair the rest of the ecosystem so it's ok is irrelevant, yes? Esp. as the rest of the ecosystem isn't going to be fixed soon. [snip] I didn't argue anything about that. I pointed out that sameAs isn't typically what is *wanted* (because of annotation smushing, but as easily because of definition smooshing). Well, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by annotation smushing or definition smooshing -- examples would be very helpful. I gave one ...the dc:creator one. Make a dc:date-modified. Can you show some others? But the argument that Typically, people mean that to be an annotation (in reference to the above example), sounds a lot like it is trying to justify a dilution of the RDF semantics in the case of this kind of annotation example merely because people misuse it that way. I'm not particularly concerned with misuse per se. Misuse often is an indicator of desired behavior and problems with the spec or the tech. If you're happy to recommend people don't use RDF for annotation of the terms they coin...well, ok. And I don't think it would make sense to do that, just as I don't think we should dilute the semantics of owl:sameAs. It's hard for me to see how you are connecting to the current issue. If you think that the current semantics of everything is hunky dory for mapping and alignment, then it's pretty obvious that we disagree. But then dilution and purity of the spec arguments are simply irrelevant. No mere appeal to spec or semantics can determine the fitness of a feature to a given task. Cheers, Bijan.
SW Marketing: Effective Sales Pitch for VCs and Non-Geeks in General
Hi, I have to apologize. The previous subject of the thread arguably used the term girlfriend as a pejorative. I was referring directly to my girlfriend, who has had the patience to listen to my ramblings on the semantic web over and over again. Of course the generalization is totally out of line. It might sound sexist. What this mistake proves is probably quite the opposite, for the Nth time: I am the thoughtless one in this relationship! I copy the original thread below: -- Forwarded message -- From: Hausenblas, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:22 AM Subject: RE: SW Marketing: Effective Sales Pitch for VCs / Girlfriends / etc? To: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: public-lod@w3.org, Semantic Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Note: changed LOD mailing list to the new one; the MIT-list is not used anymore] Aldo, +1 to more or less everything you say. 1) I think Mr Cyganiak's diagram could use some numbers ( how many records are there in this giant database? ) This is actually one of the driving force behind voiD [1] - have a look at the stats examples; pls. note that we're still defining the vocabulary, so take this as a strawman proposal, rather. We are currently heavily working on it, please expect some solid results by end of August, latest. I've put a simple editor online as well [2]; this tool should by in sync with the voiD vocabulary all time. 2) We could setup a space devoted to marketing. Maybe in some of the community wikis ( does this exist already? ) There is! I'd recommend using http://community.linkeddata.org/MediaWiki/ for all linked data related marketing; please feel free to add as needed, there. Cheers, Michael [1] http://community.linkeddata.org/MediaWiki/index.php?VoiD [2] http://sw.joanneum.at/ve/ -- Michael Hausenblas, MSc. Institute of Information Systems Information Management JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH http://www.joanneum.at/iis/ -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aldo Bucchi Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:03 PM To: Semantic Web; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SW Marketing: Effective Sales Pitch for VCs / Girlfriends / etc? Hi All, Hopefully more and more of you are meeting up with VCs or selling internal projects using semantic web technologies. I sold my first RDF based project 5 or 6 years ago and lately I have had some tough VC/fund raising presentations. I realized that I have definitely improved my sales pitch over the years, so I thought I would share some brief thoughts with you guys and hopefully get some feedback and novel ideas. My current approach when selling a project that includes Semantic Web ( specifically Linked Data ) technology is simple. I only use only TWO slides to talk about Semantic Web per-se: 1) I replaced the web layer cake for this slide[1] 2) Then I jump to the LOD cloud diagram by Richard Cyganiak[2]. I emphasize on the size of the datasets and how this is something that has never happened before. 3) That's it. No more semweb talk. Focus on the value proposition and answer questions as they appear. The other useful diagram I have found useful is Nova Spivack's web evolution timeline[3] ( very buzz friendly ). The problem with that particular diagram is that it imposes an abritrary classification (1.0, 2.0, 3.0 ) and you will most probably run into some friction. So... I am sure lots of you have learned and mastered their own sales pitch... What is yours? Any new diagrams that I don't know of? And two suggestions: 1) I think Mr Cyganiak's diagram could use some numbers ( how many records are there in this giant database? ) 2) We could setup a space devoted to marketing. Maybe in some of the community wikis ( does this exist already? ) And don't tell me that marketing is not important. This whole Linked Data / SW re-branding has really made some noise. ( I know LD is not the SW, but it is a visible part of it ). Thanks! A [1] http://blog.aldobucchi.com/2008/07/how-to-explainthe-semantic-w eb-in-3.html [2] http://richard.cyganiak.de/2007/10/lod/ [3] http://novaspivack.typepad.com/RadarNetworksTowardsAWebOS.jpg -- Aldo Bucchi +56 9 7623 8653 skype:aldo.bucchi http://aldobucchi.com/ -- Aldo Bucchi +56 9 7623 8653 skype:aldo.bucchi http://aldobucchi.com/ -- Aldo Bucchi +56 9 7623 8653 skype:aldo.bucchi http://aldobucchi.com/
Re: TimBL mentions Linking Open Data on BBC Radio4
My 2 cents. Organizational data after a merger. If it is published as Linked data they are already merged ( one link away ). Some executives SERIOUSLY relate to that problem. The non-enterprise version of this is mashing up your social networks. Thanks, A On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Georgi Kobilarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ian, Which examples does anyone else use to get the idea of LOD across in the mainstream? One I example I've been telling recently is around travel. Find me the cheapest/fastest route from my place in Berlin to Florence combining busses, trains, flights, etc. For a human, that's quite a hard problem, and the best route might not be easy to find. Machines could do so much better... Cheers, Georgi -- Georgi Kobilarov Freie Universität Berlin www.georgikobilarov.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dickinson, Ian J. (HP Labs, Bristol, UK) Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:45 AM To: public-lod@w3.org Subject: RE: TimBL mentions Linking Open Data on BBC Radio4 Hi Tom, I heard the interview too. It was cool (and slightly weird) to hear semantic web discussed on prime-time news, but I thought that Tim could have used a more compelling example. The interviewer didn't seem overly impressed by Tim's find me music by people born within 100 miles of my location. OTOH, it's hard to come up with really compelling examples to use with non-specialists. Which examples does anyone else use to get the idea of LOD across in the mainstream? Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Heath Sent: 09 July 2008 10:27 To: public-lod@w3.org Subject: TimBL mentions Linking Open Data on BBC Radio4 TimBL was on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning (the BBCs prime morning news/current affairs radio programme) talking about the Semantic Web, and specifically mentions Linking Open Data: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7496000/7496976.stm Nice :) -- Tom Heath Ian Dickinson http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Ian_Dickinson HP Laboratories Bristol mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hewlett-Packard LimitedRegistered No: 690597 England Registered Office: Cain Road, Bracknell, Berks RG12 1HN -- Aldo Bucchi +56 9 7623 8653 skype:aldo.bucchi http://aldobucchi.com/
