Re: LOD community gathering in Raleigh

[Juan Sequeda]

Flying Saucer is a perfect option! They are a great beer chain here.

(It's great to talk about beer on this mailing list)

Juan Sequeda
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On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Hugh Glaser  wrote:

> I suggest the Flying Saucer may suit.
> http://www.beerknurd.com/stores/raleigh/
> I was there this evening, during a local beerfest and they coped with a
> huge
> number of people.
> I also found that they have quite an interesting selection of beers and
> plaid belts, but that is incidental to their ability to deal with an influx
> of people interested in Linked Data which would clearly be greater than the
> population of North Carolina who are interested in drinking beers.
>
> On 22/04/2010 23:26, "Olaf Hartig"  wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > The evening after the LDOW workshop next week at WWW would be a good
> > opportunity for another Linked Data community gathering. I created a Wiki
> page
> > at:
> >
> >
> >
> http://esw.w3.org/SweoIG/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/RaleighG
> > athering
> >
> > If you are interested in attending please add your name to this page.
> >
> > I will try to find a restaurant when I arrive in Raleigh. If anyone knows
> a
> > good place, please tell me.
> >
> > Looking forward to meet you all in Raleigh,
> > Olaf
> >
>
>
>

Re: LOD community gathering in Raleigh

[Hugh Glaser]

I suggest the Flying Saucer may suit.
http://www.beerknurd.com/stores/raleigh/
I was there this evening, during a local beerfest and they coped with a huge
number of people.
I also found that they have quite an interesting selection of beers and
plaid belts, but that is incidental to their ability to deal with an influx
of people interested in Linked Data which would clearly be greater than the
population of North Carolina who are interested in drinking beers.

On 22/04/2010 23:26, "Olaf Hartig"  wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> 
> The evening after the LDOW workshop next week at WWW would be a good
> opportunity for another Linked Data community gathering. I created a Wiki page
> at:
> 
>  
> http://esw.w3.org/SweoIG/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/RaleighG
> athering
> 
> If you are interested in attending please add your name to this page.
> 
> I will try to find a restaurant when I arrive in Raleigh. If anyone knows a
> good place, please tell me.
> 
> Looking forward to meet you all in Raleigh,
> Olaf
> 

Re: Semantic black holes at sameas.org Re: [GeoNames] LOD mappings

[Giovanni Tummarello]

>> so hang on tight a bit.. we're working on this, just continue
>> publishing high quality data with good entity descriptions (as much as
>> you know about YOUR stuff), and the links will come to you "just like
>> that" at some point. I promise :)
>
> WOW ... rings a bell " ...and all these things will be given to you as well".
> Let me find out. Here it is : http://bible.cc/matthew/6-33.htm
> BTW, amazing coreference resource :))
>


:-) i think the link is somehow not so "outragious" ..
if a human "moral" behaviour is that that thinks not of ones own
interest only but considers the good of all, similarly a good web of
data citizen would describe his/her entities in way that's not only
meant to serve his/her immediate use case but would indeed give enough
context and surrounding data for others to understand and reuse.

In which case once you have the propermachinery in place, good thigns
should happen almost inevitably, or at least we like to hope.
enjoy the weekend everyone :-) i am of myself as they finally did find
me a flight

Gio

Re: Semantic black holes at sameas.org Re: [GeoNames] LOD mappings

[Bernard Vatant]

Hi Giovanni

2010/4/23 Giovanni Tummarello 

> Hi Bernard, the need to automatically interlink at large scale, and
> give clean, and high performance querable datasets to users is well
> recognized and supported e.g. also by the new EU funded projects which
> still cant be named (i guess) yet


Oh, more of those you won't even dare to pronounce? One of them is called
Eyjafjallajökull, I've heard :)


> but are now about to be confirmed.
>
> so hang on tight a bit.. we're working on this, just continue
> publishing high quality data with good entity descriptions (as much as
> you know about YOUR stuff), and the links will come to you "just like
> that" at some point. I promise :)
>

WOW ... rings a bell " ...and all these things will be given to you as
well".
Let me find out. Here it is : http://bible.cc/matthew/6-33.htm
BTW, amazing coreference resource :))

Cheers

Bernard

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Re: Semantic black holes at sameas.org Re: [GeoNames] LOD mappings

[Giovanni Tummarello]

 sws.geonames URIs, SPARQL endpoint etc. Bearing in mind that Geonames.org
> has no dedicated resources for it, who will care of that in a scalable way?
> What is the business model? Good questions. Volunteers, step forward :)
>
> Bernard

Hi Bernard, the need to automatically interlink at large scale, and
give clean, and high performance querable datasets to users is well
recognized and supported e.g. also by the new EU funded projects which
still cant be named (i guess) yet but are now about to be confirmed.

so hang on tight a bit.. we're working on this, just continue
publishing high quality data with good entity descriptions (as much as
you know abou YOUR stuff), and the links will come to you "just like
that" at some point. I promise :)

Giovanni

Semantic black holes at sameas.org Re: [GeoNames] LOD mappings

[Bernard Vatant]

Alexander :

It would be useful to have a list of currently available mappings to
>> GeoNames. It would be useful not only for people like me who create custom
>> RDF datasets but also for people who want to contribute additional mappings.
>>
>
Seems a good idea

Daniel :


> Re-publish your data with rdfs:seeAlso
> http://sameas.org/rdf?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsws.geonames.org%2F2078025%2Fperhaps?


This seems like a good idea. Considering that geonames.org cannot dedicate
(m)any resources to LOD mappings, those can be deferred to external services
such as sameas.org. The sameas.org URI is easy to generate automatically
from the geonames id.

So far so good. But let's look at it closely. Someone has to feed this kind
of recursive and iterative social process happening at sameas.org, but there
is no provenance track, and the clustering of URIs will make with the time
the concepts more and more fuzzy, and sameas.org a tool to create semantic
black holes.

It would be definitely better to have some clear declaration from Geonames
viewpoint which of its three URIs for Berlin
http://sws.geonames.org/2950159/, http://sws.geonames.org/6547383/ or
http://sws.geonames.org/6547539/ should map to
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Berlin. So far, neither does.

>From DBpedia side owl:sameAs declarations at the latter URI are as following
(today)

   - 
opencyc:en/Berlin_StateGermany
   - 
fbase:Berlin
   - http://umbel.org/umbel/ne/wikipedia/Berlin
   - 
opencyc:en/CityOfBerlinGermany
   - http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/eurostat/resource/regions/Berlin
   - http://sws.geonames.org/2950159/
   - http://data.nytimes.com/N50987186835223032381

So it seems DBpedia has decided to map its Berlin to the Geonames feature of
type "capital of a political entity", subtype of "populated place". Why not?
OTOH it also declares two equivalent in opencyc, one being a state and the
other a city. If opencyc buys the DBpedia declarations, the semantic
collapse begins

Let's go yet closer to the black hole horizon ...

http://sameas.org/html?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdbpedia.org%2Fresource%2FBerlin

... yields 29 URIs including the previous ones ...

If geonames.org had taken the time to map carefully its administrative
features on the respective "city" and "state" opencyc resources, the three
different URIs carefully coined to make distinct entities for Berlin as a
populated place and the two administrative subdivisions bearing the same
name, would be by the grace of DBpedia fuzziness crushed in the same
sameas.org semantic black hole.

Bottom line. Given the current state of affairs for geographical entities in
the linked data cloud, geonames agnosticism re. owl:sameAs is rather a good
thing. There are certainly more subtle ways to link geo entities at various
level of granularity, and a lot of work to achieve semantic interoperability
of geo entities defined everywhere. Things are moving forward, but it will
be a long way and needin a lot of resources. Look e.g., at Yahoo!
concordance
http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/geoplanet/guide/api-reference.html#api-concordance,
which BTW also links to geonames id.

In conclusion:

YES Marc Wick is right to currently focus on data and data quality first. A
tremendous set of data is available for free, take what you can and what you
wish and build on it. If you want premium services, pay for it. Fair enough.


YES it should be great to have geonames data/URIs more integrated, and
better to the linked data economy. More complete descriptions at
sws.geonames URIs, SPARQL endpoint etc. Bearing in mind that Geonames.org
has no dedicated resources for it, who will care of that in a scalable way?
What is the business model? Good questions. Volunteers, step forward :)

Bernard

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Re: FaceBook taking over the web, and semantic web

[Melvin Carvalho]

2010/4/23 ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program 

> Dear all,
>
> Facebook plans to take over the web, by creating open graph based semantic
> content.
>
> See:
>
> http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/techtonicshifts/archive/2010/04/22/facebook-f8-internet-open-social-graph-semantic-web-twitter.aspx
>
> FaceBook has come under fire for selling information about users to
> marketing companies.
>
> Is this a serious threat to the open structure of the Internet and the
> linked data paradigm as envisioned by the W3C?
>

My first impression of the open graph protocol has been pretty positive.

They are using well formed RDFa, and bringing that technology to a wider
audience.

There may be some shortcomings in their publishing patterns, but they've
gone for simplicity of deployment, and will make inferences at parse time.

The machine readable schema is currently missing, however I saw a thread
this morning where facebook were talking to danbri about creating one ... so
there's at least some positive engagement there.  I think we have the SWXG
chairs to thank, for doing some of the ground work, where when David
Recordon (Facebook) was invited to speak to the W3C.

The schema reuses existing terms, but surely everyone has a right to make
their own schema?

The one thing I'm slightly unclear on, is the IPR associated with this
protocol, (IANAL) it seems to be under an OWF licence, but  first impression
that it's free to reuse.

I think this will encourage a lot more people to start using the semantic
web, in a lite form, which hopefully can be a springboard to bigger and
better things.


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RE: FaceBook taking over the web, and semantic web

[Alejandro Cabral]

Rather than a threat, why not look at it as an opportunity?

 

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Subject: FaceBook taking over the web, and semantic web

 

Dear all,

Facebook plans to take over the web, by creating open graph based semantic 
content.

See:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/techtonicshifts/archive/2010/04/22/facebook-f8-internet-open-social-graph-semantic-web-twitter.aspx

FaceBook has come under fire for selling information about users to marketing 
companies.

Is this a serious threat to the open structure of the Internet and the linked 
data paradigm as envisioned by the W3C?

Milton Ponson
GSM: +297 747 8280
Rainbow Warriors Core Foundation
PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
www.rainbowwarriors.net
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Re: FaceBook taking over the web, and semantic web

[Kingsley Idehen]

ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program wrote:

Dear all,

Facebook plans to take over the web, by creating open graph based 
semantic content.


See:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/techtonicshifts/archive/2010/04/22/facebook-f8-internet-open-social-graph-semantic-web-twitter.aspx

FaceBook has come under fire for selling information about users to 
marketing companies.


Is this a serious threat to the open structure of the Internet and the 
linked data paradigm as envisioned by the W3C?




Simple answer: No, far from it  :-)

Great addition to burgeoning Web of Structured Data.

When you have Structured Data in place, Linked Data granularity and 
tweaking is much easier.


I will soon have to drop "burgeoning" when characterizing the Web of 
Linked Data. Things are accelerating as this whole Linked Data gig has 
officially passed the point of "critical mass" re. broader Web :-)


Kingsley


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FaceBook taking over the web, and semantic web

[ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program]

Dear all,

Facebook plans to take over the web, by creating open graph based semantic 
content.

See:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/techtonicshifts/archive/2010/04/22/facebook-f8-internet-open-social-graph-semantic-web-twitter.aspx

FaceBook has come under fire for selling information about users to marketing 
companies.

Is this a serious threat to the open structure of the Internet and the linked 
data paradigm as envisioned by the W3C?

Milton Ponson
GSM: +297 747 8280
Rainbow Warriors Core Foundation
PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
www.rainbowwarriors.net
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Dataset Dynamics meet-up at WWW2010

[Michael Hausenblas]

All,

Changes in Linked Data sources (dataset dynamics) and how to deal with it
are an important and emerging issue [1][2].

As already mentioned, there will be a dataset dynamics meet-up at WWW2010. I
first planned to register a BoF, but it is still unclear if this is possible
[3].

I'd now propose to have a break-out session at the W3C LOD Track [4] - as I
won't be able to make it to WWW, Juergen Umbrich (in CC) would take care of
the local organisation.

Cheers,
  Michael

[1] http://esw.w3.org/DatasetDynamics
[2] 
http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/TWC_Data-gov_Vocabulary_Proposal#Change_of_d
ataset
[3] http://twitter.com/WWW2010/status/12452736301
[4] http://esw.w3.org/Camps:LODCampW3CTrack#breakout

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