Re: Making Linked Data Fun
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 13:38 -0500, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 11/19/10 11:39 AM, John Erickson wrote: This single most powerful demo available is an epic fail on Ubuntu 10.10 + Chrome. Considering first release goals, I think it is an epic win. End-users don't use Ubuntu + Chrome. It should be an epic fail for that demographic :-) It doesn't work on my Ubuntu 10.10 + Firefox 3.6.12 + Moonlight 2.3. I suspect the issue rests with Moonlight. This is for end-users, not for Linux geeks. Why is it not for everybody? I sure hope that the Linux community does not chalk up the Semantic Web community's efforts as even too geeky for their community. Similarly, why do they still continue to work on making the desktop UX better for the end-users? On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Kingsley Idehenkide...@openlinksw.com wrote: Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . I hopped on Windows to test it out. This is a really cool demo! Is there a page somewhere that lists visualization / data exploration tools and platforms that we can use for different datasets? -Sarven
Re: Making Linked Data Fun
On 11/21/10 6:03 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 13:38 -0500, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 11/19/10 11:39 AM, John Erickson wrote: This single most powerful demo available is an epic fail on Ubuntu 10.10 + Chrome. Considering first release goals, I think it is an epic win. End-users don't use Ubuntu + Chrome. It should be an epic fail for that demographic :-) It doesn't work on my Ubuntu 10.10 + Firefox 3.6.12 + Moonlight 2.3. I suspect the issue rests with Moonlight. Sarven, Yes, the issue is with Moonlight. As most don't seem to recall (Google is nice for history), we were one of the early players re. Mono as a cross platform .NET initiative. Virtuoso started hosting .NET and Mono as far back as 2002. I eventually had to pull back our investment in Mono due to a boundless spectrum of issues that were best left to the resources at Novell and Microsoft to resolve. Anyway, PivotViewer provides a specific item, and when there is specificity ports can be more predictable. Thus, I am already on Miguel's case about this problem. I am confident this matter will also be resolved soon. This is for end-users, not for Linux geeks. Why is it not for everybody? As per comments above. We've have a lot of history with Mono. Adding its unpredictability to the goal of end-user oriented Linked Data comprehension via visual interaction simply wasn't (isn't) prudent. I sure hope that the Linux community does not chalk up the Semantic Web community's efforts as even too geeky for their community. Similarly, why do they still continue to work on making the desktop UX better for the end-users? KDE Office is making strides re. Desktop exploitation of RDF and Linked Data in general. We are also working closely with the Nepomuk and KDE folks. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Kingsley Idehenkide...@openlinksw.com wrote: Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . I hopped on Windows to test it out. This is a really cool demo! Is there a page somewhere that lists visualization / data exploration tools and platforms that we can use for different datasets? I am going to make a few posts about this effort. There is much more to it than you see on the surface, via my initial demos. Everything you've seen so far is just a tease :-) -Sarven -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
Making Linked Data Fun
All, Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . Enjoy! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
Re: Making Linked Data Fun
Kingsley, On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: All, Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . This is excellent! Single most powerful demo available. Really looking fwd to what's coming next. Let's see how this shifts gears in terms of Linked Data comprehension. Even in its current state, this is an absolute game changer. I know this was not easy. My hat goes off to the team for their focus. Now, just let me send this link out to some non-believers that have been holding back my evangelization pipeline ;) Regards, A Enjoy! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen -- Aldo Bucchi @aldonline skype:aldo.bucchi http://aldobucchi.com/
Re: Making Linked Data Fun
Kingsley Idehen wrote: All, Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . Enjoy! Sweet you did it! Pivot and Linked Data joined together, that's a big step, congrats! kutgw, Nathan
Re: Making Linked Data Fun
This single most powerful demo available is an epic fail on Ubuntu 10.10 + Chrome. The most recent release of Moonlight just doesn't cut it (and shouldn't have to). Could we as a community *possibly* work towards a rich data visualization/presentation toolkit built on, say, HTML5? On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Aldo Bucchi aldo.buc...@gmail.com wrote: Kingsley, On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: All, Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . This is excellent! Single most powerful demo available. Really looking fwd to what's coming next. Let's see how this shifts gears in terms of Linked Data comprehension. Even in its current state, this is an absolute game changer. I know this was not easy. My hat goes off to the team for their focus. Now, just let me send this link out to some non-believers that have been holding back my evangelization pipeline ;) Regards, A Enjoy! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen -- Aldo Bucchi @aldonline skype:aldo.bucchi http://aldobucchi.com/ -- John S. Erickson, Ph.D. http://bitwacker.wordpress.com olyerick...@gmail.com Twitter: @olyerickson Skype: @olyerickson
AW: Making Linked Data Fun
Hi Kingsley, very nice! Btw, in our Information Workbench we have a similar PivotViewer / LOD bridge. See e.g. http://iwb.fluidops.com/resource/dbpedia:Mammal (as an example for the visualization of the extension of a class, i.e. DBpedia category in this case), Or http://iwb.fluidops.com/resource/Barack_Obama (as an example for the visualization of related entities) (Select the Pivot view, i.e. the bottom left view) Regards, Peter Von: public-lod-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-lod-requ...@w3.org] Im Auftrag von Kingsley Idehen Gesendet: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:07 PM An: public-lod@w3.org Betreff: Making Linked Data Fun All, Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . Enjoy! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
Re: Making Linked Data Fun
You started ;) On Nov 19, 2010, at 13:39, John Erickson olyerick...@gmail.com wrote: This single most powerful demo available is an epic fail on Ubuntu 10.10 + Chrome. The most recent release of Moonlight just doesn't cut it (and shouldn't have to). What you see as a fail I see as a win. Could we as a community *possibly* work towards a rich data visualization/presentation toolkit built on, say, HTML5? Will happen. But we need to stop investing asymmetrically. All tech, no marketing collateral. We need big players to see what we see. This demo makes a major CTO visualize what linked data could do for his company in the long run, thus lowering the entry barrier for us today. In order for an industry to grow, we need participation and engagement. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Aldo Bucchi aldo.buc...@gmail.com wrote: Kingsley, On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: All, Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . This is excellent! Single most powerful demo available. Really looking fwd to what's coming next. Let's see how this shifts gears in terms of Linked Data comprehension. Even in its current state, this is an absolute game changer. I know this was not easy. My hat goes off to the team for their focus. Now, just let me send this link out to some non-believers that have been holding back my evangelization pipeline ;) Regards, A Enjoy! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen -- Aldo Bucchi @aldonline skype:aldo.bucchi http://aldobucchi.com/ -- John S. Erickson, Ph.D. http://bitwacker.wordpress.com olyerick...@gmail.com Twitter: @olyerickson Skype: @olyerickson
Re: Making Linked Data Fun
On 11/19/10 11:39 AM, John Erickson wrote: This single most powerful demo available is an epic fail on Ubuntu 10.10 + Chrome. End-users don't use Ubuntu + Chrome. It should be an epic fail for that demographic :-) This is for end-users, not for Linux geeks. The most recent release of Moonlight just doesn't cut it (and shouldn't have to). Could we as a community *possibly* work towards a rich data visualization/presentation toolkit built on, say, HTML5? Hopefully. Look closer at Pivot, it tells many stories. It can be written in HTML5, so happy to see it developed ASAP :-) But our first goal was to get it done with the PivotViewer control from Microsoft which works across Windows and Mac OS X, and supports all the main browsers (including Opera). Kingsley On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Aldo Bucchialdo.buc...@gmail.com wrote: Kingsley, On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Kingsley Idehenkide...@openlinksw.com wrote: All, Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . This is excellent! Single most powerful demo available. Really looking fwd to what's coming next. Let's see how this shifts gears in terms of Linked Data comprehension. Even in its current state, this is an absolute game changer. I know this was not easy. My hat goes off to the team for their focus. Now, just let me send this link out to some non-believers that have been holding back my evangelization pipeline ;) Regards, A Enjoy! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen -- Aldo Bucchi @aldonline skype:aldo.bucchi http://aldobucchi.com/ -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
Re: AW: Making Linked Data Fun
On 11/19/10 11:53 AM, Peter Haase wrote: Hi Kingsley, very nice! Peter, Thanks! Btw, in our Information Workbench we have a similar PivotViewer / LOD bridge. See e.g. http://iwb.fluidops.com/resource/dbpedia:Mammal (as an example for the visualization of the extension of a class, i.e. DBpedia category in this case), Or http://iwb.fluidops.com/resource/Barack_Obama (as an example for the visualization of related entities) (Select the Pivot view, i.e. the bottom left view) A few key technical points about what we've done: 1. SPARQL Query Engine includes DZC (Digital Zoom Collection and Digital Zoom Image) generation engine (you can use SPARQL patterns to determine the entire shape of the Pivot e.g. where images come i.e. local remote, how you link out via @href, etc.. 2. SPARQL compiler -- has pragmas for CXML which is now a bona fide SPARQL results serialization format option 3. Cursors -- dynamically constructed collections need to be able to page over masses of data e.g. LOD Cloud cache. So its full SPARQL query capability intimately meshed with PivotViewer and dynamically generated CXML collections. Here are some additional demo links: 1. http://bit.ly/cJ5oqs -- BBC (already posted) 2. http://bit.ly/9r7t1f -- Linked Open Commerce oriented 3. http://bit.ly/b5zgsz -- ditto . Kingsley Regards, Peter *Von:*public-lod-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-lod-requ...@w3.org] *Im Auftrag von *Kingsley Idehen *Gesendet:* Friday, November 19, 2010 5:07 PM *An:* public-lod@w3.org *Betreff:* Making Linked Data Fun All, Here is an example of what can be achieved with Linked Data, for instance using BBC Wild Life Finder's data: 1. http://uriburner.com/c/DI463N -- remote SPARQL queries between two instances (URIBurner and LOD Cloud Cache) with results serialized in CXML (image processing part of the SPARQL query pipeline) . Enjoy! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web:http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
