Re: An HTML5 logo
I'm also a little confused. There was a recent announcement [1] from the WHATWG that the version number was being dropped from HTML 5. This has been reported elsewhere, usually directly referring back to the WHATWG announcement [2]. Obviously this doesn't seem to fit with the smacking great 5 in the new logo. For the record I think it looks great, there just seems to be a bit of confusion around it at the moment. [1] http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5 http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5[2] http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/01/html-to-lose-the-version-number.ars On 23 January 2011 06:54, Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de wrote: Yes, the logo looks awesome! But I think we should clarify who the logo is for: Techies or end users. All the logo mission statements that I have read point to the former group, but I think it makes more sense to target the latter group. Then HTML5 might not be a good brand [1]. [1] http://www.2ality.com/2011/01/branding-web-technologies-and-new-html5.html On Jan 23, 2011, at 4:49 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Hi Philippe, Logos look nice! however, I'm baffled as to why HTML5 logo site mix in things like WebGL and CSS 3, which are clearly not part of the HTML Standard (as it is now known;))? Who made the choice of what technologes were to be included or excluded from the set of technologies that make up the logo sets? I ask because it's poignant and a little demoralizing to us who have been working for many years to see W3C Widgets excluded from the list. I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling a bit confused by the W3C's lack of communication about this project or why the W3C chose to exclude widgets and other technologies? Did I miss the memo? Kind regards, Marcos On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Philippe Le Hegaret p...@w3.org wrote: Dear Web Application Working Group, Today W3C introduced an HTML5 logo for public consideration: http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-8992 The W3C Communications Team is excited about the HTML5 logo, developed with community support, and hopes it will help you promote your work. The logo is intended to be a general purpose visual identity for HTML5 and other web application technologies. It doesn't imply conformance; just this is about open web application technologies. This is not yet the official W3C Communications Team logo for HTML5. We look forward to broad community adoption in order to make it so. For more information about the logo, see the logo home page [1] and faq [2]. Thank you, Philippe Le Hégaret, Interaction Domain Lead [1] http://www.w3.org/html/logo/ [2] http://www.w3.org/html/logo/faq -- Marcos Caceres Opera Software ASA, http://www.opera.com/ http://datadriven.com.au -- Dr. Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de Home: http://rauschma.de Blog: http://2ality.com
Re: An HTML5 logo
Ian has, for quite some tine, described his whatwg document as HTML Next, a 'living' standard. This is separate from the w3c procedures, where HTML5 will be codified. As for web apps: I think it's too early to include them. I'd like to see more standardization on elevating permissions. Currently, we have the cache manifest, and that can work securely over https. But after that, every browser has its own semantics for content scripts and global (background) pages. On Jan 23, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Nathan Kitchen w...@nathankitchen.com wrote: I'm also a little confused. There was a recent announcement [1] from the WHATWG that the version number was being dropped from HTML 5. This has been reported elsewhere, usually directly referring back to the WHATWG announcement [2]. Obviously this doesn't seem to fit with the smacking great 5 in the new logo. For the record I think it looks great, there just seems to be a bit of confusion around it at the moment. [1] http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5 [2] http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/01/html-to-lose-the-version-number.ars On 23 January 2011 06:54, Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de wrote: Yes, the logo looks awesome! But I think we should clarify who the logo is for: Techies or end users. All the logo mission statements that I have read point to the former group, but I think it makes more sense to target the latter group. Then HTML5 might not be a good brand [1]. [1] http://www.2ality.com/2011/01/branding-web-technologies-and-new-html5.html On Jan 23, 2011, at 4:49 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Hi Philippe, Logos look nice! however, I'm baffled as to why HTML5 logo site mix in things like WebGL and CSS 3, which are clearly not part of the HTML Standard (as it is now known;))? Who made the choice of what technologes were to be included or excluded from the set of technologies that make up the logo sets? I ask because it's poignant and a little demoralizing to us who have been working for many years to see W3C Widgets excluded from the list. I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling a bit confused by the W3C's lack of communication about this project or why the W3C chose to exclude widgets and other technologies? Did I miss the memo? Kind regards, Marcos On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Philippe Le Hegaret p...@w3.org wrote: Dear Web Application Working Group, Today W3C introduced an HTML5 logo for public consideration: http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-8992 The W3C Communications Team is excited about the HTML5 logo, developed with community support, and hopes it will help you promote your work. The logo is intended to be a general purpose visual identity for HTML5 and other web application technologies. It doesn't imply conformance; just this is about open web application technologies. This is not yet the official W3C Communications Team logo for HTML5. We look forward to broad community adoption in order to make it so. For more information about the logo, see the logo home page [1] and faq [2]. Thank you, Philippe Le Hégaret, Interaction Domain Lead [1] http://www.w3.org/html/logo/ [2] http://www.w3.org/html/logo/faq -- Marcos Caceres Opera Software ASA, http://www.opera.com/ http://datadriven.com.au -- Dr. Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de Home: http://rauschma.de Blog: http://2ality.com
Re: An HTML5 logo
On 1/23/11 6:31 PM, Charles Pritchard wrote: Ian has, for quite some tine, described his whatwg document as HTML Next, a 'living' standard. Yes, we did the same with W3C Widgets. We dropped versioning and (unsuccessfully) requested the W3C to change its process to allow the latest version to always point to the Editor's draft. The latest version and previous versions snapshot encourages fragmentation by allowing implementers to cherry-pick which dated snapshot they want to claim conformance to (even if those dated versions are obsolete, contain errors, or lack a test suite). This has proven to be so disastrous that, as an editor, I've all but given up publishing snapshots on /TR/. IMHO, the resistance of the W3C to review it's process goes against the spirit of standardization, which justifies the WHATWG's abandonment of the W3C process towards a living standard. Hence, moves by the WHATWG are logically justified (though they are not without its own perceived problems - history will be the judge there, and it will make for a hell of a movie!:)). In any case, I encourage the W3C to review its processes. Also, I'm sure Ian can speak for himself, but I doubt he has ever said it is his whatwg document. Ian is the spokesman of for the group, and not the owner of the document (which is owned by the community and the WHATWG membership. To be clear, the document states that © Copyright 2004-2010 Apple Computer, Inc., Mozilla Foundation, and Opera Software ASA. You are granted a license to use, reproduce and create derivative works of this document. Sure, the license of the WHATWG spec leaves a lot to be desired; but you get the general idea). This is separate from the w3c procedures, where HTML5 will be codified. As for web apps: I think it's too early to include them. I'd like to see more standardization on elevating permissions. Currently, we have the cache manifest, and that can work securely over https. But after that, every browser has its own semantics for content scripts and global (background) pages. Right, more could be done to address that.
Re: An HTML5 logo
Hi Philippe, Logos look nice! however, I'm baffled as to why HTML5 logo site mix in things like WebGL and CSS 3, which are clearly not part of the HTML Standard (as it is now known;))? Who made the choice of what technologes were to be included or excluded from the set of technologies that make up the logo sets? I ask because it's poignant and a little demoralizing to us who have been working for many years to see W3C Widgets excluded from the list. I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling a bit confused by the W3C's lack of communication about this project or why the W3C chose to exclude widgets and other technologies? Did I miss the memo? Kind regards, Marcos On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Philippe Le Hegaret p...@w3.org wrote: Dear Web Application Working Group, Today W3C introduced an HTML5 logo for public consideration: http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-8992 The W3C Communications Team is excited about the HTML5 logo, developed with community support, and hopes it will help you promote your work. The logo is intended to be a general purpose visual identity for HTML5 and other web application technologies. It doesn't imply conformance; just this is about open web application technologies. This is not yet the official W3C Communications Team logo for HTML5. We look forward to broad community adoption in order to make it so. For more information about the logo, see the logo home page [1] and faq [2]. Thank you, Philippe Le Hégaret, Interaction Domain Lead [1] http://www.w3.org/html/logo/ [2] http://www.w3.org/html/logo/faq -- Marcos Caceres Opera Software ASA, http://www.opera.com/ http://datadriven.com.au
Re: An HTML5 logo
Yes, the logo looks awesome! But I think we should clarify who the logo is for: Techies or end users. All the logo mission statements that I have read point to the former group, but I think it makes more sense to target the latter group. Then HTML5 might not be a good brand [1]. [1] http://www.2ality.com/2011/01/branding-web-technologies-and-new-html5.html On Jan 23, 2011, at 4:49 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Hi Philippe, Logos look nice! however, I'm baffled as to why HTML5 logo site mix in things like WebGL and CSS 3, which are clearly not part of the HTML Standard (as it is now known;))? Who made the choice of what technologes were to be included or excluded from the set of technologies that make up the logo sets? I ask because it's poignant and a little demoralizing to us who have been working for many years to see W3C Widgets excluded from the list. I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling a bit confused by the W3C's lack of communication about this project or why the W3C chose to exclude widgets and other technologies? Did I miss the memo? Kind regards, Marcos On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Philippe Le Hegaret p...@w3.org wrote: Dear Web Application Working Group, Today W3C introduced an HTML5 logo for public consideration: http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-8992 The W3C Communications Team is excited about the HTML5 logo, developed with community support, and hopes it will help you promote your work. The logo is intended to be a general purpose visual identity for HTML5 and other web application technologies. It doesn't imply conformance; just this is about open web application technologies. This is not yet the official W3C Communications Team logo for HTML5. We look forward to broad community adoption in order to make it so. For more information about the logo, see the logo home page [1] and faq [2]. Thank you, Philippe Le Hégaret, Interaction Domain Lead [1] http://www.w3.org/html/logo/ [2] http://www.w3.org/html/logo/faq -- Marcos Caceres Opera Software ASA, http://www.opera.com/ http://datadriven.com.au -- Dr. Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de Home: http://rauschma.de Blog: http://2ality.com
