Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Colin Guthrie

'Twas brillig, and Jud Craft at 08/11/09 03:09 did gyre and gimble:

It appears that when I plug in a secondary output device (like my
docking station's USB-type sound card) and reroute Pulse to it, I can
no longer use the main volume control in GNOME to change the volume of
sound output.


The main volume control (e.g. the applet in the system tray or the 
buttons on your keyboard/laptop) will control whatever device is marked 
as default or fallback. If you tweak this, it will work with the 
appropriate device.


Col


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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Jud Craft
 The main volume control (e.g. the applet in the system tray or the buttons
 on your keyboard/laptop) will control whatever device is marked as default
 or fallback. If you tweak this, it will work with the appropriate device.

I'm not sure what you mean by fallback device.  Can you set that on
the Output tab in gnome-sound-properties?  All I know is, changing my
Output device from Internal Audio to USB Audio means volume
control has no effect anymore.  Sorry to sound so clueless.
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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 10:37 -0500, Jud Craft wrote:
  The main volume control (e.g. the applet in the system tray or the buttons
  on your keyboard/laptop) will control whatever device is marked as default
  or fallback. If you tweak this, it will work with the appropriate device.
 
 I'm not sure what you mean by fallback device.  Can you set that on
 the Output tab in gnome-sound-properties?  All I know is, changing my
 Output device from Internal Audio to USB Audio means volume
 control has no effect anymore.  Sorry to sound so clueless.

Under 'Output Devices', each output has three icons on the top right of
its 'box'. The first from the left is the mute icon, the second is the
lock icon (looks like a shield) the third which is a green circle with a
white tick is the 'set as fallback' icon.

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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Jud Craft
 Under 'Output Devices', each output has three icons on the top right of
 its 'box'. The first from the left is the mute icon, the second is the
 lock icon (looks like a shield) the third which is a green circle with a
 white tick is the 'set as fallback' icon.

I apologize, but now I'm lost.  Are we talking about the same user
interface?  I see nothing like this in System  Preferences  Sound :
Output.
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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 11:36 -0500, Jud Craft wrote:
  Under 'Output Devices', each output has three icons on the top right of
  its 'box'. The first from the left is the mute icon, the second is the
  lock icon (looks like a shield) the third which is a green circle with a
  white tick is the 'set as fallback' icon.
 
 I apologize, but now I'm lost.  Are we talking about the same user
 interface?  I see nothing like this in System  Preferences  Sound :
 Output.

Yep, that's the problem then. You need to look for something called (I
think) Pulseaudio Volume Control. To check if you have it, open a
terminal and try and run `pavucontrol`. If you don't have it, your
distro probably has it in the repos somewhere, install it. That's the
Right Way (tm) to adjust pulseaudio volumes, streams, and the like.

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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Colin Guthrie

'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 08/11/09 16:42 did gyre and gimble:

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 11:36 -0500, Jud Craft wrote:

Under 'Output Devices', each output has three icons on the top right of
its 'box'. The first from the left is the mute icon, the second is the
lock icon (looks like a shield) the third which is a green circle with a
white tick is the 'set as fallback' icon.

I apologize, but now I'm lost.  Are we talking about the same user
interface?  I see nothing like this in System  Preferences  Sound :
Output.


Yep, that's the problem then. You need to look for something called (I
think) Pulseaudio Volume Control. To check if you have it, open a
terminal and try and run `pavucontrol`. If you don't have it, your
distro probably has it in the repos somewhere, install it. That's the
Right Way (tm) to adjust pulseaudio volumes, streams, and the like.


Actually not quite true. Gnome Volume Control, which Jud is using, *is* 
the official Gnome way to interact with PulseAudio these days. 
pavucontrol is still the tool we use upstream a lot and where new 
features get implemented first for testing etc., but the official Gnome 
UI should be used and workable too.


As per your first reply Jud, the setting of the default device in g-v-c 
should work fine and allow the volume buttons to adjust the appropriate 
device, so dunno why that's not working :(


Col

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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Jud Craft
 As per your first reply Jud, the setting of the default device in g-v-c
 should work fine and allow the volume buttons to adjust the appropriate
 device, so dunno why that's not working :(

I see.  So this is not an intentional functionality change.

Well, this worked automatically in F11's Sound Properties, but no
longer in F12's Pulse 0.9.19.  Should I file a bug ticket?
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Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Jud Craft
This also causes problems with flat volumes too -- my flat volumes
don't seem to be applied (ex., to Rhythmbox) when using the external
USB output.
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