Re: [pve-devel] cpu type ppc/s390
On 10/7/19 7:20 PM, Tomas Dalebjörk wrote: > thanks for feedback > > you know that power is an open architecture that are growing on the market as > it performs better than x > I never saw or used one, just heard some non-ideal stories about vendors[0]. So still waiting before calling this the next bigger thing one need to be able to buy HW to a price that gets you at least somewhat the same as amd64 HW does. We had the same wishes for arm64 over 3 years ago, a real "killer" platform is still not available - either old stuff, which while many cores it has so bad interconnects that you can not do anything serious with all of them; or newer stuff which you cannot get if you are not M$ or the like so not much of use for our community. I'd rather see RISC-V processors to gain traction, but also there we'll only be able to do anything once the platform are ripe _and_ publicly available to a sane price. cheers, Thomas [0]: https://drewdevault.com/2019/09/23/RaptorCS-Blackbird-a-horror-story.html > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 7 okt. 2019 kl. 17:17 skrev Thomas Lamprecht : >> >> On 10/7/19 4:54 PM, Tomas Dalebjörk wrote: >>> ok >>> >>> that is sad >>> as qemu support other architectures >>> so it cant be that difficult >>> >> >> Yes, qemu itself supports them, that's not the issue. >> But one needs to do the whole management around the CPU and it's platforms >> hardware, that's what Proxmox VE is actually there. >> And that can be huge work depending on platform differences, testing, >> adapations >> to future changes specific to that platform and all the other little things >> add >> up quick. >> >> The current implementation[0][1][2][3] can handle amd64 (duh) and somewhat >> experimental arm64, while that part is rather limited and assumes mostly >> amd64 >> like HW for the rest of the system. If you check out the implementation >> you'll see that it's not all that easy, I mean maybe to bring some proof of >> concept up, yeah, but to actually have it fully integrated, tested with >> different possible OS and so on it becomes a non-trivial amount of work. >> >> Is it dooable, yeah, sure. But we have no need for it, and so do well over >> 90% of our users (ballmarked). So why invest the time there instead of doing >> other feature/bug fixes which help much more users? >> >> Note that you can always do yourself an implementation, we're opensource and >> contribute after all. Maybe it's much easier to do than I currently belief >> (have >> not looked deeply in PPC, but having the arm64 part in mind I'd guess that >> I'm >> not completely off) and if it's somewhat nicely integrated into the current >> stack, not affecting the current amd64 parts in any negative way, we can >> take it >> in as experimental in the project too. >> >> cheers, >> Thomas >> >> [0]: >> https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer.pm;h=83762607dcde15acca06bbe877157cbbcf993f1f;hb=HEAD >> [1]: >> https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/Memory.pm;h=b579955037f198eb0163eae7a3d97e81a5cc4e52;hb=HEAD >> [2]: >> https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/PCI.pm;h=e0bc1a24f104aa3beef08aa909cf4ca7c08a8aa2;hb=HEAD >> [3]: >> https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/USB.pm;h=d328148539fc9245a2ac58fb442e5e307578b7bd;hb=HEAD >> >>> Skickat från min iPhone >>> > 7 okt. 2019 kl. 12:32 skrev Dietmar Maurer : > > I would like ask if it is possible to add other CPU types to the proxmox > admin interface > Such as PowerPC (ppc64le/be) and s390x There are no plans to add ppc or s390. ___ pve-devel mailing list pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com https://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel
Re: [pve-devel] cpu type ppc/s390
thanks for feedback you know that power is an open architecture that are growing on the market as it performs better than x Skickat från min iPhone > 7 okt. 2019 kl. 17:17 skrev Thomas Lamprecht : > > On 10/7/19 4:54 PM, Tomas Dalebjörk wrote: >> ok >> >> that is sad >> as qemu support other architectures >> so it cant be that difficult >> > > Yes, qemu itself supports them, that's not the issue. > But one needs to do the whole management around the CPU and it's platforms > hardware, that's what Proxmox VE is actually there. > And that can be huge work depending on platform differences, testing, > adapations > to future changes specific to that platform and all the other little things > add > up quick. > > The current implementation[0][1][2][3] can handle amd64 (duh) and somewhat > experimental arm64, while that part is rather limited and assumes mostly amd64 > like HW for the rest of the system. If you check out the implementation > you'll see that it's not all that easy, I mean maybe to bring some proof of > concept up, yeah, but to actually have it fully integrated, tested with > different possible OS and so on it becomes a non-trivial amount of work. > > Is it dooable, yeah, sure. But we have no need for it, and so do well over > 90% of our users (ballmarked). So why invest the time there instead of doing > other feature/bug fixes which help much more users? > > Note that you can always do yourself an implementation, we're opensource and > contribute after all. Maybe it's much easier to do than I currently belief > (have > not looked deeply in PPC, but having the arm64 part in mind I'd guess that I'm > not completely off) and if it's somewhat nicely integrated into the current > stack, not affecting the current amd64 parts in any negative way, we can take > it > in as experimental in the project too. > > cheers, > Thomas > > [0]: > https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer.pm;h=83762607dcde15acca06bbe877157cbbcf993f1f;hb=HEAD > [1]: > https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/Memory.pm;h=b579955037f198eb0163eae7a3d97e81a5cc4e52;hb=HEAD > [2]: > https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/PCI.pm;h=e0bc1a24f104aa3beef08aa909cf4ca7c08a8aa2;hb=HEAD > [3]: > https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/USB.pm;h=d328148539fc9245a2ac58fb442e5e307578b7bd;hb=HEAD > >> Skickat från min iPhone >> 7 okt. 2019 kl. 12:32 skrev Dietmar Maurer : >>> >>> I would like ask if it is possible to add other CPU types to the proxmox admin interface Such as PowerPC (ppc64le/be) and s390x >>> >>> There are no plans to add ppc or s390. >>> >> ___ >> pve-devel mailing list >> pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com >> https://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel >> > > > ___ pve-devel mailing list pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com https://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel
Re: [pve-devel] cpu type ppc/s390
On 10/7/19 4:54 PM, Tomas Dalebjörk wrote: > ok > > that is sad > as qemu support other architectures > so it cant be that difficult > Yes, qemu itself supports them, that's not the issue. But one needs to do the whole management around the CPU and it's platforms hardware, that's what Proxmox VE is actually there. And that can be huge work depending on platform differences, testing, adapations to future changes specific to that platform and all the other little things add up quick. The current implementation[0][1][2][3] can handle amd64 (duh) and somewhat experimental arm64, while that part is rather limited and assumes mostly amd64 like HW for the rest of the system. If you check out the implementation you'll see that it's not all that easy, I mean maybe to bring some proof of concept up, yeah, but to actually have it fully integrated, tested with different possible OS and so on it becomes a non-trivial amount of work. Is it dooable, yeah, sure. But we have no need for it, and so do well over 90% of our users (ballmarked). So why invest the time there instead of doing other feature/bug fixes which help much more users? Note that you can always do yourself an implementation, we're opensource and contribute after all. Maybe it's much easier to do than I currently belief (have not looked deeply in PPC, but having the arm64 part in mind I'd guess that I'm not completely off) and if it's somewhat nicely integrated into the current stack, not affecting the current amd64 parts in any negative way, we can take it in as experimental in the project too. cheers, Thomas [0]: https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer.pm;h=83762607dcde15acca06bbe877157cbbcf993f1f;hb=HEAD [1]: https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/Memory.pm;h=b579955037f198eb0163eae7a3d97e81a5cc4e52;hb=HEAD [2]: https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/PCI.pm;h=e0bc1a24f104aa3beef08aa909cf4ca7c08a8aa2;hb=HEAD [3]: https://git.proxmox.com/?p=qemu-server.git;a=blob;f=PVE/QemuServer/USB.pm;h=d328148539fc9245a2ac58fb442e5e307578b7bd;hb=HEAD > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 7 okt. 2019 kl. 12:32 skrev Dietmar Maurer : >> >> >>> >>> I would like ask if it is possible to add other CPU types to the proxmox >>> admin interface >>> Such as PowerPC (ppc64le/be) and s390x >> >> There are no plans to add ppc or s390. >> > ___ > pve-devel mailing list > pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com > https://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel > ___ pve-devel mailing list pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com https://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel
Re: [pve-devel] cpu type ppc/s390
ok that is sad as qemu support other architectures so it cant be that difficult Skickat från min iPhone > 7 okt. 2019 kl. 12:32 skrev Dietmar Maurer : > > >> >> I would like ask if it is possible to add other CPU types to the proxmox >> admin interface >> Such as PowerPC (ppc64le/be) and s390x > > There are no plans to add ppc or s390. > ___ pve-devel mailing list pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com https://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel
Re: [pve-devel] cpu type ppc/s390
> I would like ask if it is possible to add other CPU types to the proxmox > admin interface > Such as PowerPC (ppc64le/be) and s390x There are no plans to add ppc or s390. ___ pve-devel mailing list pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com https://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel
[pve-devel] cpu type ppc/s390
Hi I would like ask if it is possible to add other CPU types to the proxmox admin interface Such as PowerPC (ppc64le/be) and s390x I know that it is much slower than using it as native, but in some cases it might be performing good enogh? It can be goodif also proxmox can be hosted on other cpu types too, today it is an intel only solution but it would be nice if it could be hosted on s390x or ppc64le qemu- can support other types of cpu types, so the limitation looks like be in proxmox any comments? Regards Tomas Skickat från min iPhone ___ pve-devel mailing list pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com https://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel
