Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:15 AM Mats Wichmann wrote: > Certainly, content should not be removed, that may have been a mistake > maybe? This isn't the first time Packt has made edits adding their own books and removing others. I'm sure it isn't deliberate, but it does look like the sort of mistake a bot edit would make. ChrisA ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO
On 1/2/19 3:50 AM, Steve Holden wrote: > I'd agree this is abuse. We should revert the content to include the > deleted links, and stop these automated updates. > > regards > Steve Holden > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:22 AM M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> I don't know if you are aware, but Pakt has been publishing (apparently) >> their complete list of Python books on the wiki, adding new titles >> to the top of the page in an apparently automated way: >> >> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks >> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info >> >> Not only that, but they removed older entries from the page: >> >> >> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info_count=100=200 >> >> e.g. the Python Cookbook is no longer listed. >> >> I don't think the purpose of the wiki should be SEO and even less >> removing competitor links. >> >> I think we should take action here, e.g. restore the old version of >> the page and add a single link to the Pakt website instead of >> the current endless list of entries. >> >> Thoughts ? >> >> -- >> Marc-Andre Lemburg Certainly, content should not be removed, that may have been a mistake maybe? Do we have firm guidelines on where to add a new entry if you're adding to a list? By date of entry (i.e. top or bottom)? Alphabetical? etc. I believe a few wiki pages do state a preference, but the book pages of today do not. I don't look at books any longer, but scanning over the introductory and andvanced books pages leaves me with the impression this would not be very useful to anyone, it's just a seemingly endless list with no organization at all. It's better where the top page splits out specialist topics, but there probably aren't enough of those buckets now, and Packt seem happy to put everything on the advanced page... I just tried a couple of links there and they 404, so they're not even current, sigh: Learn Computer Vision with Python and OpenCV [Video] Learning Vue.js 2.0 ... the former sounds pretty specialized, the latter doesn't even sound like a Python book. Just wondering if in addition to nudging Packt again, we can maybe help out a bit with organizational ideas? I don't have any specific idea for presenting a long list of books in a better way. ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO
Hi folks - Pakt is doing a Humble Bundle promotion for the next two weeks featuring the PSF as one of the charities. Beyond that, we should chat with them about their wiki usage and possible sponsorship, they are not current PSF sponsors. We will reach out to them. On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:17 AM Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:15 PM Steve Holden wrote: > > > > It may well (and it might be helpful to find our how much PSF income > Pakt's much-vaunted donations program yields). > > > > I don't, however, believe that whether they became a sponsor should > alter our approach to the Wiki content. > > Agreed - if they become a sponsor, then _other_ avenues may open up. > > ChrisA > ___ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:15 PM Steve Holden wrote: > > It may well (and it might be helpful to find our how much PSF income Pakt's > much-vaunted donations program yields). > > I don't, however, believe that whether they became a sponsor should alter our > approach to the Wiki content. Agreed - if they become a sponsor, then _other_ avenues may open up. ChrisA ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO
It may well (and it might be helpful to find our how much PSF income Pakt's much-vaunted donations program yields). I don't, however, believe that whether they became a sponsor should alter our approach to the Wiki content. regards Steve Holden On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:58 AM Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:50 PM Steve Holden wrote: > > > > I'd agree this is abuse. We should revert the content to include the > deleted links, and stop these automated updates. > > This has been an ongoing point of discussion with Packt Publishing and > the wiki (search the list archives for the full details). A while ago, > a hint was dropped that Packt should perhaps consider becoming a > sponsor, rather than continuing to add more and more free listings for > their myriad books. It may be worth revisiting that point. > > ChrisA > ___ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:50 PM Steve Holden wrote: > > I'd agree this is abuse. We should revert the content to include the deleted > links, and stop these automated updates. This has been an ongoing point of discussion with Packt Publishing and the wiki (search the list archives for the full details). A while ago, a hint was dropped that Packt should perhaps consider becoming a sponsor, rather than continuing to add more and more free listings for their myriad books. It may be worth revisiting that point. ChrisA ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO
I'd agree this is abuse. We should revert the content to include the deleted links, and stop these automated updates. regards Steve Holden On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:22 AM M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > I don't know if you are aware, but Pakt has been publishing (apparently) > their complete list of Python books on the wiki, adding new titles > to the top of the page in an apparently automated way: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks > https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info > > Not only that, but they removed older entries from the page: > > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info_count=100=200 > > e.g. the Python Cookbook is no longer listed. > > I don't think the purpose of the wiki should be SEO and even less > removing competitor links. > > I think we should take action here, e.g. restore the old version of > the page and add a single link to the Pakt website instead of > the current endless list of entries. > > Thoughts ? > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 02 2019) > >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ > >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ > > > ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: > >eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg >Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 >http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ > http://www.malemburg.com/ > > ___ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
[pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO
I don't know if you are aware, but Pakt has been publishing (apparently) their complete list of Python books on the wiki, adding new titles to the top of the page in an apparently automated way: https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info Not only that, but they removed older entries from the page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info_count=100=200 e.g. the Python Cookbook is no longer listed. I don't think the purpose of the wiki should be SEO and even less removing competitor links. I think we should take action here, e.g. restore the old version of the page and add a single link to the Pakt website instead of the current endless list of entries. Thoughts ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 02 2019) >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ http://www.malemburg.com/ ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Logins on wiki.python.org don't seem to be working
Thanks Marc-André, It seems to me that the Wiki is in need of some tender loving care. Given the outdated nature of Moin's design, I'm wondering what might be the best way t bring it up to date. Does anyone have specific knowledge in this area? regards Steve Holden On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:50 AM M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > I have restarted apache on the VM. I guess we will need a cleanup > of the users on the moin instance. The 144k users together with the > underpowered VM and frequent spikes in activity by bots trying to > register accounts are causing those delays. > > On 01.01.2019 23:36, Mats Wichmann wrote: > > On 1/1/19 3:24 PM, Christer Enfors wrote: > >> I'm trying to login using Chrome on Linux, but I keep getting gateway > >> timeout messages. I think this is the email address to which one should > >> report such problems? > > > > Gott nytt år! > > > > The timeout seems to be occurring a lot. so we do "know about it", I'm > > not sure anyone was yet convinced it wasn't just transient busy-ness. > > > > I think this is evidence there is something that does need attention. > > > > ___ > > pydotorg-www mailing list > > pydotorg-www@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 02 2019) > >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ > >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ > > > ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: > >eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg >Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 >http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ > http://www.malemburg.com/ > > ___ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
Re: [pydotorg-www] Logins on wiki.python.org don't seem to be working
I have restarted apache on the VM. I guess we will need a cleanup of the users on the moin instance. The 144k users together with the underpowered VM and frequent spikes in activity by bots trying to register accounts are causing those delays. On 01.01.2019 23:36, Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 1/1/19 3:24 PM, Christer Enfors wrote: >> I'm trying to login using Chrome on Linux, but I keep getting gateway >> timeout messages. I think this is the email address to which one should >> report such problems? > > Gott nytt år! > > The timeout seems to be occurring a lot. so we do "know about it", I'm > not sure anyone was yet convinced it wasn't just transient busy-ness. > > I think this is evidence there is something that does need attention. > > ___ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 02 2019) >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ http://www.malemburg.com/ ___ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
