Re: [PyMOL] PyMOL 1.5 release
Hi Donnie, Business decisions are off-topic for the pymol-users list, but for openness and transparency I'll briefly respond. I always wonder, are there actually people who feel they gain some sort of competitive advantage by having access to PyMOL features first? Doesn't seem to make sense because anyone else can pay for the same level of access. Plus it's mostly a visualization tool, so I'm not sure I understand the rationale. Over the years some of our users have funded new features with the explicit understanding of exclusive limited access. So, yes, they perceive a competitive advantage. Happily, many of those features end up in the open-source. Seeing PyMOL as mostly a visualization tool is to see only a small fraction of its real value. I'd always thought that the payment was intended for people who wanted to support the future of PyMOL as well as get some high-quality documentation and increased personal support. What you write here is the model for a canonical mainstream, open-source project--like your Gentoo Linux. Non-niche products enjoy this type of model and its concomitant success. However, molecular visualization is a small market; it's a subset of chemistry apps which is a subset of scientific apps which itself is a niche market. Were we to adopt this large-scale model, we'd have to fire all the PyMOL developers because we couldn't make enough to pay them. The market's just too small. Creating incentive for people to continue to support the project is required so we can keep open-source and commercial development moving forward We're passionate about PyMOL's continued success. If you'd like to continue this discussion, let's take it offline and you can report your results on your blog. Cheers, -- Jason -- Jason Vertrees, PhD PyMOL Product Manager Schrodinger, LLC (e) jason.vertr...@schrodinger.com (o) +1 (603) 374-7120 -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] PyMOL 1.5 release
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: I always wonder, are there actually people who feel they gain some sort of competitive advantage by having access to PyMOL features first? Doesn't seem to make sense because anyone else can pay for the same level of access. Plus it's mostly a visualization tool, so I'm not sure I understand the rationale. I doubt anyone feels that they get a competitive advantage, but I'm sure there are users who would rather not wait for (for example) MTZ file support. I'd always thought that the payment was intended for people who wanted to support the future of PyMOL as well as get some high-quality documentation and increased personal support. There were some features that always required payment and were never open-sourced - RigiMol, the native MacPyMOL, etc. -Nat -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] PyMOL 1.5 release
On 15:47 Thu 10 Nov , Jason Vertrees wrote: As has always been the case, some new features added to Incentive PyMOL v1.5.0 will not be immediately added to the open-source project, as Incentive subscribers pay to have priority access to these new features. I always wonder, are there actually people who feel they gain some sort of competitive advantage by having access to PyMOL features first? Doesn't seem to make sense because anyone else can pay for the same level of access. Plus it's mostly a visualization tool, so I'm not sure I understand the rationale. I'd always thought that the payment was intended for people who wanted to support the future of PyMOL as well as get some high-quality documentation and increased personal support. -- Thanks, Donnie Donald S. Berkholz, Ph.D. Research Fellow James R. Thompson lab, Physiology Biomedical Engineering Grazia Isaya lab, Pediatric Adolescent Medicine Mayo Clinic ___ Medical Sciences 2-66 200 First Street SW Rochester, MN 55905 office: 507-538-6924 cell: 612-991-1321 pgpqbXwCHmq7U.pgp Description: PGP signature -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] PyMOL 1.5 release
Hi Andrey, We plan on releasing Incentive PyMOL v1.5.0 before the end of the year. Current Incentive subscribers can already download Incentive PyMOL betas builds from http://pymol.org/dsc and review the new features here http://pymol.org/dsc/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=media:new15. As has always been the case, some new features added to Incentive PyMOL v1.5.0 will not be immediately added to the open-source project, as Incentive subscribers pay to have priority access to these new features. Open-source PyMOL v1.4.2, should be updated, tagged, and released later this year or early next year. Cheers, -- Jason On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Андрей Гончар gontc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all Do anybody know about the PyMol 1.5 release date? -- Andrey Gontchar -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- Jason Vertrees, PhD PyMOL Product Manager Schrodinger, LLC (e) jason.vertr...@schrodinger.com (o) +1 (603) 374-7120 -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
[PyMOL] PyMOL 1.5 release
Hi all Do anybody know about the PyMol 1.5 release date? -- Andrey Gontchar -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
