[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Rogério Nunes Wolff]

Rogério Nunes Wolff added the comment:

I find this bug recently in my IDLE. Ubuntu 14.04, Python 3.4.3, Tk 8.6.1. How 
can I fix this?

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

Thank you for the confirmation that this is a tcl/tk problem. At least this 
report is here for anyone else using 8.6 with non-US keyboard on linux.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[eryksun]

eryksun added the comment:

This seems to be a problem with Tk 8.6 when using an international keyboard 
layout on Linux. I ran the following test.tcl script via wish:

text .t
pack .t

Initially dead keys work, but they stop working if I switch away from the text 
entry to another window and then back. Using the menu to save a file in IDLE 
has the same effect. I suggest opening a ticket at http://core.tcl.tk/tk.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Gian Carlo Martinelli]

Gian Carlo Martinelli added the comment:

Any additional input on this issue?

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

I am out of ideas.  You might ask on python-list (accessible as newsgroup 
mirror on news.gmane.org) whether any other Ubunto users have the problem or 
have heard of it.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Serhiy Storchaka]

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:

Do you have problems with ASCII characters "'", "^", "~", or with combining 
accents in "á", "â", "ã"?

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Gian Carlo Martinelli]

Gian Carlo Martinelli added the comment:

@Terry
Using 'Find in Files' (Alt+F3) works fine. I can type everything normally. Also 
in the Output everything is fine.

Apparently the problem is only with diacriticals (I mentioned 'ç', but it is 
working (I have a particular key for that in my keyboard... it is a Brazilian 
keyboard)).

@Serhiy
The problem is both with standalone keys ('`~^) and accented characters (ãẽéáà 
etc)



Today I found a very strange behaviour.

IF I start IDLE with a clean file, everything works fine. 

If then I open a .py file, or save the new file as .py, after 3-5 seconds these 
keys stop working. Very strange...

I hope I was clear in describing this.

@Ankit: check if this behavior is the same for you.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Gian Carlo Martinelli]

Gian Carlo Martinelli added the comment:

Terry, first of all thanks for trying to solve this.

I usually start IDLE using Ubuntu's dash.

The problem is with more than just the three characters. Others that I have 
tested and that don't work include "ç", "`", umlauts... There work in others 
places in my system such as the console for example.

When I try ALT+M or CTRL+O, inside IDLE, these characters work.

This is a copy of my output. Seems OK
!  "  #  $  %  &  '  (  )  *  +  ,  -  .  /  
0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  :  ;  <  =  >  ?  
@  A  B  C  D  E  F  G  H  I  J  K  L  M  N  O  
P  Q  R  S  T  U  V  W  X  Y  Z  [  \  ]  ^  _  
`  a  b  c  d  e  f  g  h  i  j  k  l  m  n  o  
p  q  r  s  t  u  v  w  x  y  z  {  |  }  ~  

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

I am not surprised that non-ascii chars fail also. But, all? or just a few (all 
symbol? or only diacriticals)?

My first thought was that you have a european keyboard that is does not match 
your Ubuntu configuration.  Or that you had an older tcl/tk that did not work 
with such.

^O opens a dialog that IDLE is not involved with.  Alt-M open a different tk 
widget that IDLE in not involved with.

Do shell and editor have exactly the same problems?

Let's try two other things.  Alt-F3 opens Find in Files (grep).  Can you enter 
any of `'^~ on the first line?

Put anything on the first line and add a *fake* directory on the second (so you 
have something like zyx/*.py).  Search.  Try typing in the Output Window.  It 
is slightly different from shell and editor (no colors, for instance).

Ankit: I am trying to narrow possibilities using my knowledge of IDLE 
internals.  I wish I knew what *I* need to learn for this.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Gian Carlo Martinelli]

Gian Carlo Martinelli added the comment:

1) Do the keys work in the Ubuntu console?
Yes.

2) Do the keys work in interactive python (not IDLE), started with 'python' at 
the console prompt.
Yes.

3) In IDLE, go to Help->About IDLE.  What is the Tk version.
  Best if 8.6.x, if before 8.5.18, upgrade.
8.6.1

4) Try typing in the text box, including the problem chars.  What happens?
Ran the program, all characters work perfectly.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Ankit Baruah]

Ankit Baruah added the comment:

Yes same answers as Gian characters worked perfectly

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

Ankit: the issue is where do they fail, why, and how to fix.  Are you running 
Ubuntu also?

G.C. How do you start IDLE? Is the problem with exactly those three chars? Do 
they fail in the Shell? an editor? search box? other entry box such as you get 
with Alt-M? Open file dialog (control-O)?

Does this have expected output?

for m in range(32, 128, 16):
for n in range(16):
print(chr(m + n), ' ', end='')
print()
# should print
   !  "  #  $  %  &  '  (  )  *  +  ,  -  .  /  
0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  :  ;  <  =  >  ?  
@  A  B  C  D  E  F  G  H  I  J  K  L  M  N  O  
P  Q  R  S  T  U  V  W  X  Y  Z  [  \  ]  ^  _  
`  a  b  c  d  e  f  g  h  i  j  k  l  m  n  o  
p  q  r  s  t  u  v  w  x  y  z  {  |  }  ~    
>>>

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Ankit Baruah]

Ankit Baruah added the comment:

Hello, i am totally new.I went through Pythons Developers guide and would like 
to learn so please tell me what i should learn to resolve this issue.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Ankit Baruah]

Ankit Baruah added the comment:

Yes,i am using ubuntu.


Thank you Terry for guiding me really appreciate your help. 
Sorry for not replying fell asleep.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Ankit Baruah]

Ankit Baruah added the comment:

Find in Files (grep)
Yes can type `'^~.

Output Window 
Yes seems to work can type `'^~ and other characters.

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

IDLE uses tkinter which wraps the tcl/tk GUI framework.  Tk handles key 
presses.  So this is almost certainly not an IDLE bug, or even a tkinter bug. 
Unless you can demonstrate otherwise, I will closing this as a CPython issue.

Since this is the first report I know of reporting a problem with ascii chars, 
there is almost certainly something peculiar about your system.  You should 
probably ask for help on python-list (or use the gmane.comp.python.general 
mirror as news.gmane.org).  Here are some preliminary questions.

Do the keys work in the Ubuntu console?
Do the keys work in interactive python (not IDLE), started with 'python' at the 
console prompt.
In IDLE, go to Help->About IDLE.  What is the Tk version.
  Best if 8.6.x, if before 8.5.18, upgrade.

Run the following program (IDLE editor is fine).

from tkinter import *
root = Tk()
text = Text(root)
text.pack()
text.focus_set()  # required to work
root.mainloop()

Try typing in the text box, including the problem chars.  What happens?

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[issue25356] Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents

[Gian Carlo Martinelli]

New submission from Gian Carlo Martinelli:

IDLE (using Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not recognize accent key presses (ex: ~, 
^, ').

This makes it impossible to program in some languages.

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nosy: Gian Carlo Martinelli
priority: normal
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title: Idle (Python 3.4 on Ubuntu) does not allow typing accents
type: behavior
versions: Python 3.4

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