[python-committers] Last-minute request: please backport bpo-33329 fix to 3.4 and 3.5

[Larry Hastings]

This bug in bpo-33329:

   https://bugs.python.org/issue33329

was fixed for 3.6+, but it also affects 3.4 and 3.5.  The bug is that 
with newer versions of glibc--which I'm pretty sure has shipped on all 
major Linux distros by now--the test suite may send signals that are 
invalid somehow.  As a result the test suite... blocks forever?  I 
think?  Anyway the observed resulting behavior is that there are three 
regression tests in each branch that seemingly never complete.  I 
started the 3.4 regression test suite /nine hours ago/ and it still 
claims to be running--and the 3.5 test suite isn't far behind.  
Technically, no, it's not a security bug.  But I simply can't ship 3.4 
and 3.5 in this sorry state.


Obviously it'd be best if the folks involved with the original PRs 
(Antoine?) took over.  I'm sending this to a wider audience just because 
I'd hoped to tag the next RCs for 3.4 and 3.5 this weekend, and the 
original participants in this fix may not be available, and I'm hoping I 
won't have to slip the schedule.



Thanks for your time,


//arry/

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Re: [python-committers] OpenMandriva and Fedora abandoned Discourse for development discussions

[Carol Willing]

One thing to keep in mind which is not a vote for/against mailing lists or 
Discourse is that older projects, like Linux, have historically communicated 
extensively with textual information. As JavaScript and other third party 
projects, which rely more heavily on visualizations and UI, have grown, there 
is a now a greater need to be able to communicate visual information.

While these Linux distros may have gone back to email, it would be interesting 
to dig deeper into why and whether visual communication is important in these 
projects.
My instinct is that Python will likely use more than one type of communication 
medium once the communication PEP(s) are written.
Please keep passing along the interesting data points too. Thanks.
On Feb 28 2019, at 7:29 am, Victor Stinner  wrote:
> Maybe we need a new #python-dev-notif (or even #python-dev-bots?)
> channel for automated notifications and bots, and keep #python-dev for
> humans?
>
> Victor
> Le mer. 27 févr. 2019 à 22:21, Matthias Klose  a écrit :
> >
> > On 27.02.19 22:11, Brett Cannon wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 3:40 PM Victor Stinner  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Follow-up of the previous "Can we choose between mailing list and
> > > > discuss.python.org?" thread.
> > > >
> > > > Python isn't the first project who "experimented" Discourse to replace
> > > > mailing lists. It seems like Fedora and OpenMandriva are coming back
> > > > to mailing lists, at least for "development discussions":
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-disc...@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/XQLY3MRJLC4CFMIRSYU5LRQSOPFF532X/
> > > It sounds like their overall team is much larger than ours based on the
> > > tone of that email (is that true?). We have also talked about having both
> > > Discourse and python-committers for announcements which would partially
> > > alleviate some of their concerns.
> > >
> > > I also think it's telling that their decision to do this was done on IRC
> > > which is not a primary communication platform for all of us and suggests
> > > that it's possible the desires/needs/expectations of those participating
> > > are different.
> >
> >
> > well, #python-dev is another topic. It now gets spammed by many bots, and 
> > human
> > chats are lost in the noise. That used to be better.
> >
> > Matthias
>
>
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