Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] [Fwd: Re: Push rights for Ross Lagerwall]

2011-03-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis

Am 10.03.11 00:45, schrieb Steve Holden:


On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:


We don't need an explanation, we need a *solution*.


Please speak for yourself only. Is it just you being upset to have
to use paper, or is Ross Lagerwall actively refusing to put his
signature on a piece of paper?


Because Antoine is not entitled to include you in his "we" does not
entitle you to put him in the singular. I doubt he is the only member
who finds it difficult to understand why we are still using paper.


I'd still like to understand whether this issue actually blocks the
case at hand. Antoine originally wrote

> I've told Ross it would be nice to send one if he hadn't
> already done so, but I have obviously no way of checking whether
> he did or not.

So the next logical step would be to ask him. If Ross said that
he did send the form, that would be good enough for me to proceed.
That would also be a *solution*.

Regards,
Martin
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[python-committers] Contirbutor Agreements

2011-03-10 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
We received a contributor agreement from Boris Feld, Belfort, France by
postal mail.

I will send it by postal mail to our Administrator.

I have not seen an agreement from Ross.  If he sent one, I'd suggest he
re-send it by attaching a scan to an email, given that it appears time
is pressing.  The Feld agreement took several weeks to wend its way to
me.

KBK

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:46 -0500, " Martin v. Löwis "
 wrote:
> Am 10.03.11 00:45, schrieb Steve Holden:
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
> >
> >>> We don't need an explanation, we need a *solution*.
> >>
> >> Please speak for yourself only. Is it just you being upset to have
> >> to use paper, or is Ross Lagerwall actively refusing to put his
> >> signature on a piece of paper?
> >>
> > Because Antoine is not entitled to include you in his "we" does not
> > entitle you to put him in the singular. I doubt he is the only member
> > who finds it difficult to understand why we are still using paper.
> 
> I'd still like to understand whether this issue actually blocks the
> case at hand. Antoine originally wrote
> 
>  > I've told Ross it would be nice to send one if he hadn't
>  > already done so, but I have obviously no way of checking whether
>  > he did or not.
> 
> So the next logical step would be to ask him. If Ross said that
> he did send the form, that would be good enough for me to proceed.
> That would also be a *solution*.
> 
> Regards,
> Martin
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Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] [Fwd: Re: Push rights for Ross Lagerwall]

2011-03-10 Thread Antoine Pitrou

>  > I've told Ross it would be nice to send one if he hadn't
>  > already done so, but I have obviously no way of checking whether
>  > he did or not.
> 
> So the next logical step would be to ask him. If Ross said that
> he did send the form, that would be good enough for me to proceed.
> That would also be a *solution*.

Martin, why don't you implement your solution yourself, if you think the
process is not a problem? That would be a good way of putting money
where your mouth is.

I'm obviously not going to do that work for you. I'm not paid by the PSF
to solve paperwork.



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Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] [Fwd: Re: Push rights for Ross Lagerwall]

2011-03-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis

So the next logical step would be to ask him. If Ross said that
he did send the form, that would be good enough for me to proceed.
That would also be a *solution*.


Martin, why don't you implement your solution yourself, if you think the
process is not a problem? That would be a good way of putting money
where your mouth is.

I'm obviously not going to do that work for you. I'm not paid by the PSF
to solve paperwork.


Just for the record: neither am I. However, sending an email to Ross 
wasn't that difficult.


Regards,
Martin
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Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] [Fwd: Re: Push rights for Ross Lagerwall]

2011-03-10 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 11:25 -0500, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit :
> >> So the next logical step would be to ask him. If Ross said that
> >> he did send the form, that would be good enough for me to proceed.
> >> That would also be a *solution*.
> >
> > Martin, why don't you implement your solution yourself, if you think the
> > process is not a problem? That would be a good way of putting money
> > where your mouth is.
> >
> > I'm obviously not going to do that work for you. I'm not paid by the PSF
> > to solve paperwork.
> 
> Just for the record: neither am I. However, sending an email to Ross 
> wasn't that difficult.

Right, sending a mail isn't difficult. Do you volunteer to do the
necessary work (sending emails, following up on them, etc.) each and
every time the need for requesting and checking contributor agreements
arises?

Thank you

Antoine.


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Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] [Fwd: Re: Push rights for Ross Lagerwall]

2011-03-10 Thread Steve Holden
On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:

> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 11:25 -0500, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit :
 So the next logical step would be to ask him. If Ross said that
 he did send the form, that would be good enough for me to proceed.
 That would also be a *solution*.
>>> 
>>> Martin, why don't you implement your solution yourself, if you think the
>>> process is not a problem? That would be a good way of putting money
>>> where your mouth is.
>>> 
>>> I'm obviously not going to do that work for you. I'm not paid by the PSF
>>> to solve paperwork.
>> 
>> Just for the record: neither am I. However, sending an email to Ross 
>> wasn't that difficult.
> 
> Right, sending a mail isn't difficult. Do you volunteer to do the
> necessary work (sending emails, following up on them, etc.) each and
> every time the need for requesting and checking contributor agreements
> arises?
> 
> Thank you

Antoine:

Your point will be more effectively made without this continual sniping at 
anyone who responds to you. That wasn't intended as a serious question, was it? 
UYou know Martin won't have time to do that.

As a matter of fact, though, the PSF has an administrator who is perfectly 
capable of doing just this if it's the best process we have, she just hasn't 
been involved in processing new developers in the past. So Pat should probably 
get involved in defining what the process is.

Let's work towards a solution, please.

regards
 Steve

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Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] [Fwd: Re: Push rights for Ross Lagerwall]

2011-03-10 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Steve Holden  wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
>> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 11:25 -0500, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit :
> So the next logical step would be to ask him. If Ross said that
> he did send the form, that would be good enough for me to proceed.
> That would also be a *solution*.

 Martin, why don't you implement your solution yourself, if you think the
 process is not a problem? That would be a good way of putting money
 where your mouth is.

 I'm obviously not going to do that work for you. I'm not paid by the PSF
 to solve paperwork.
>>>
>>> Just for the record: neither am I. However, sending an email to Ross
>>> wasn't that difficult.
>>
>> Right, sending a mail isn't difficult. Do you volunteer to do the
>> necessary work (sending emails, following up on them, etc.) each and
>> every time the need for requesting and checking contributor agreements
>> arises?
>>
>> Thank you
>
> Antoine:
>
> Your point will be more effectively made without this continual sniping at 
> anyone who responds to you. That wasn't intended as a serious question, was 
> it? UYou know Martin won't have time to do that.
>
> As a matter of fact, though, the PSF has an administrator who is perfectly 
> capable of doing just this if it's the best process we have, she just hasn't 
> been involved in processing new developers in the past. So Pat should 
> probably get involved in defining what the process is.
>
> Let's work towards a solution, please.
>
> regards
>  Steve

I have spoken to Van Lindberg, and he and I will be driving/discussing
the best approach for electronic CLAs/signing. We will drive this on a
PSF level.
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Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] [Fwd: Re: Push rights for Ross Lagerwall]

2011-03-10 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 12:00 -0500, Jesse Noller a écrit :
> I have spoken to Van Lindberg, and he and I will be driving/discussing
> the best approach for electronic CLAs/signing. We will drive this on a
> PSF level.

Thank you!


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