[python-committers] Re: core-dev chat

2021-05-17 Thread Victor Stinner 
Did you notice that you are already chatting by email? Chatting about
other chat platforms :-) Why not just accepting that emails won? :-)

When discuss.python.org was launched, a few discussions moved there,
and slowly, moved back to python-dev list.

Emails will never die! :-D

Victor
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[python-committers] Re: core-dev chat

2021-05-17 Thread Matthias Klose 
On 5/14/21 12:28 PM, Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm always connected to IRC #python-dev (Freenode) for 10 years, a few
> other core devs use it time to time. Come to say hello ;-)
> 
> The bugs.python.org and buildbot notifications are useful to me and I
> don't feel annoyed by them. But GitHub review are hard to use: only
> the user name and the PR number are given: PR title and comment
> content are not provided, you have to click on each link to know more.
> Moreover, when a user leaves 10 comments, there are 10 IRC
> notifications!

Using #python-dev here as well, but with 99% of the messages being bot messages
it makes it hard to see the real in-person discussions.  Not saying that it's
not useful, but a separate IRC channel for these might be more welcoming for
#python-dev, independent of this discussions about other platforms.

Matthias
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[python-committers] Re: core-dev chat

2021-05-17 Thread Thomas Wouters 
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:00 PM Victor Stinner  wrote:

> Did you notice that you are already chatting by email? Chatting about
> other chat platforms :-) Why not just accepting that emails won? :-)
>

I have several communities that *only* communicate through Discord, never
email. On the python-dev mailing list, sure, email won. In other places, it
most assuredly didn't. There's also the social dimension that is simply not
present in email -- for good reason. There are many messages I have not
sent simply because it's email, so it's more effort and carries much more
weight. Discourse is better at this with 'likes' as well as direct linking
and cross-referencing. It's still not the same as Discord or similar chat
programs.

FWIW, I would love to add a core dev Discord server to my long-ish list of
Discord servers. It's a chat platform I find convenient (much more so than
Zulip and Slack, and slightly more so than IRC), very organised, with good
moderation tools (better than Slack and IRC), and widely adopted. If people
prefer other platforms I will endeavour to participate, but it won't be as
convenient to me as Discord.


>
> When discuss.python.org was launched, a few discussions moved there,
> and slowly, moved back to python-dev list.
>
> Emails will never die! :-D
>
> Victor
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[python-committers] Re: core-dev chat

2021-05-17 Thread Paul Moore 
On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 11:32, Thomas Wouters  wrote:

> There's also the social dimension that is simply not present in email -- for 
> good reason. There are many messages I have not sent simply because it's 
> email, so it's more effort and carries much more weight.

Agreed. An example of something I'd consider "semi-social" would be
"hey - does anyone know a good library for doing XXX" or "SQLAlchemy
baffles me, does anyone use it or know a good tutorial?" These aren't
core dev questions - they don't relate to anything I'm doing on
CPython, but they are the sort of questions I'd ask a bunch of friends
who I know use Python and are experienced/good coders. They also tend
to be relatively immediate - it's no big deal if no-one can help, but
conversely if I get an answer 3 days from now I'll probably already
have worked around the issue - and tend to be conversation triggers
(chat about how hard it is to discover new interesting libraries, or
about how writing tutorials is an art form that a lot of projects
could do with help on).

> Discourse is better at this with 'likes' as well as direct linking and 
> cross-referencing. It's still not the same as Discord or similar chat 
> programs.

I think in general modern apps do better on the "social" aspect. Email
is still my preferred option for extended discussions, longer or more
complex topics, etc, but not so much for things that are more "in the
moment".

Paul
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[python-committers] Re: Commits are no longer noted in bro issues

2021-05-17 Thread Victor Stinner 
Any update on this issue? Nobody recalls what code and service sends a
comment to bugs.python.org when a commit is merged?

Victor

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 4:23 PM Guido van Rossum  wrote:
>
> Recently it seems that when a PR linked to a bpo issue is merged, no note of 
> this event is made in the bpo issue. Look at  
> https://bugs.python.org/issue43933 for example. There are notes for the first 
> two merged PRs (25717 and 25719), at
> https://bugs.python.org/issue43933#msg392343 and the next message. But I 
> cannot find a similar note for the third PR, 26054, which is also merged.
>
> I recall seeing this for other recent issues as well. Did some piece of 
> automation recently break? (Could it have to do with the master->main move?)
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[python-committers] Re: Commits are no longer noted in bro issues

2021-05-17 Thread Guido van Rossum 
I'm guessing we have to escalate this to Ee.

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:58 PM Victor Stinner  wrote:

> Any update on this issue? Nobody recalls what code and service sends a
> comment to bugs.python.org when a commit is merged?
>
> Victor
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 4:23 PM Guido van Rossum  wrote:
> >
> > Recently it seems that when a PR linked to a bpo issue is merged, no
> note of this event is made in the bpo issue. Look at
> https://bugs.python.org/issue43933 for example. There are notes for the
> first two merged PRs (25717 and 25719), at
> > https://bugs.python.org/issue43933#msg392343 and the next message. But
> I cannot find a similar note for the third PR, 26054, which is also merged.
> >
> > I recall seeing this for other recent issues as well. Did some piece of
> automation recently break? (Could it have to do with the master->main move?)
> > --
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[python-committers] Re: Commits are no longer noted in bro issues

2021-05-17 Thread Zachary Ware 
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:58 PM Victor Stinner  wrote:
>
> Any update on this issue? Nobody recalls what code and service sends a
> comment to bugs.python.org when a commit is merged?

I might have found it; I at least opened
https://github.com/psf/bpo-roundup/pull/1 against what I found :)
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[python-committers] Re: core-dev chat

2021-05-17 Thread Kyle Stanley 
> FWIW, I would love to add a core dev Discord server to my long-ish list of
> Discord servers. It's a chat platform I find convenient (much more so than
> Zulip and Slack, and slightly more so than IRC), very organised, with good
> moderation tools (better than Slack and IRC), and widely adopted. If people
> prefer other platforms I will endeavour to participate, but it won't be as
> convenient to me as Discord.
>

Huge +1. I'd love to have a place to hang out and voice chat (or text) with
others on the core team in real time. I think it would double as a great
social outlet, and we could keep it very simple to the point where its
basically just IRC with some extra features. Using existing servers like
PySlackers or Python Discord aren't ideal options (as much as I love Python
Discord), just because there's too much noise to filter out if one is only
interested in the core dev aspect. Whatever we do, I think it needs to be
just for the core development community with as little noise as possible.
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[python-committers] Re: core-dev chat

2021-05-17 Thread Gregory P. Smith 
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:44 PM Kyle Stanley  wrote:

>
> FWIW, I would love to add a core dev Discord server to my long-ish list of
>> Discord servers. It's a chat platform I find convenient (much more so than
>> Zulip and Slack, and slightly more so than IRC), very organised, with good
>> moderation tools (better than Slack and IRC), and widely adopted. If people
>> prefer other platforms I will endeavour to participate, but it won't be as
>> convenient to me as Discord.
>>
>
> Huge +1. I'd love to have a place to hang out and voice chat (or text)
> with others on the core team in real time. I think it would double as a
> great social outlet, and we could keep it very simple to the point where
> its basically just IRC with some extra features. Using existing servers
> like PySlackers or Python Discord aren't ideal options (as much as I love
> Python Discord), just because there's too much noise to filter out if one
> is only interested in the core dev aspect. Whatever we do, I think it needs
> to be just for the core development community with as little noise as
> possible.
>

+1 agreed. Discord wins out in terms of features and **being where people
are already at** in terms of modern IRC with replacement with bonus audio
and video features for use when desired. I rarely bother to hang out on
freenode IRC anymore out of inertia and being yet another window to poll.
discord having a mobile app gives a much better signal and a chance that
I'll stop by.  It is also already where things like circuitpython happen.

None of that changes the fact that many of us won't remain online and
responsive in yet another channel at most times. We're not "on call" for
core dev. But we're probably not online and responsive at low latency in
the existing channels either so this shouldn't come as a shock.

-gps
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