[Python-Dev] Re: Spammy stuff (was Re: congrats on 3.5! Alas, windows 7 users are having problems installing it)

2019-09-15 Thread MRAB

On 2019-09-15 23:40, Michael Foord wrote:



Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Sep 2019, at 23:25, Tim Peters  wrote:

[Tim]

While python-dev has several "official" moderators, best I can tell
I'm the only one who has reviewed these messages for years.


I should clarify that!  That's not meant to be a dig at the other
moderators.  I review everything because I'm retired and am near the
computer many hours almost every day.  That's been so for at least a
decade.  So the others rarely get a chance - the queue is very likely
empty if they ever look.  After a few years of that, they may well
stop looking ;-)


Personally I resent anything that takes time away from you making posts on 
Facebook.

I hope you're not going to start a thread entitled "What has Tim Peters 
ever done for us?" :-)

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[Python-Dev] Re: Spammy stuff (was Re: congrats on 3.5! Alas, windows 7 users are having problems installing it)

2019-09-15 Thread Michael Foord



Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Sep 2019, at 23:25, Tim Peters  wrote:
> 
> [Tim]
>> While python-dev has several "official" moderators, best I can tell
>> I'm the only one who has reviewed these messages for years.
> 
> I should clarify that!  That's not meant to be a dig at the other
> moderators.  I review everything because I'm retired and am near the
> computer many hours almost every day.  That's been so for at least a
> decade.  So the others rarely get a chance - the queue is very likely
> empty if they ever look.  After a few years of that, they may well
> stop looking ;-)

Personally I resent anything that takes time away from you making posts on 
Facebook. 

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[Python-Dev] Re: Spammy stuff (was Re: congrats on 3.5! Alas, windows 7 users are having problems installing it)

2019-09-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim]
> While python-dev has several "official" moderators, best I can tell
> I'm the only one who has reviewed these messages for years.

I should clarify that!  That's not meant to be a dig at the other
moderators.  I review everything because I'm retired and am near the
computer many hours almost every day.  That's been so for at least a
decade.  So the others rarely get a chance - the queue is very likely
empty if they ever look.  After a few years of that, they may well
stop looking ;-)
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[Python-Dev] Re: Spammy stuff (was Re: congrats on 3.5! Alas, windows 7 users are having problems installing it)

2019-09-15 Thread Tim Peters
[This is about the mailing list, not about Python development]

That python-dev-owner has gotten two complaints about this message so
far suggests I should explain what's going on ;-)

New list members are automatically moderated.  Their posts sit in a
moderation queue waiting for moderator action.

While python-dev has several "official" moderators, best I can tell
I'm the only one who has reviewed these messages for years.

So - yup! - I approved this spam.  The Subject was legit, the email
address was from Google rather than, e.g., some obscure Russian host,
and the link was to a site with an obviously computer-related name.
"Good enough".  Usually, but not in this case.

So, sorry, but sometimes one of these just will slip through.  I've
since fiddled the list to auto-discard future posts from this address,
but have no ability to purge the spam from the list archives.

There are other not-spam but "low quality" messages I've let through
too, since the list migrated to Mailman 3.  That's because we lost
some very useful moderator functionality (which I've griped about on a
Mailman 3 issue tracker):

- It's no longer possible to forward a message from the queue to a
different address.  So, e.g., rather than throw them away, I've let
through some newbie messages that I would previously have forwarded to
the Python help list.

- It's no longer possible to write custom text for a "Reject" action.
So, again, rather than throw away messages that should obviously be
posted to a different list, with the author getting nothing but a
generic explanation-free "rejected" message, I've let them through.

Yes, I _could_ use my own my email account and copy/paste/fiddle to
forward/reply in such cases, independent of Mailman functionality.
And sometimes I do.  But there's only so much time I can give to this,
and some days I settle for clearing the queue just as quickly as
Tim-ly possible.

Some of that will get better if/when Mailman 3 restores lost
functionality, but I doubt anything can be done that stops spam 100%
short of erring on the side of rejecting marginally legit messages
too.  But that's not how my brain is wired, so you would need a
different moderator if that's what you want.

In the meantime, I'll continue cashing  my lavish moderator checks and
just laugh at complaints ;-)

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 12:21 AM  wrote:
>
> Check this article here which will help you out.
> [useless link]
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