Re: [Python-Dev] More optimisation ideas
On 2/5/2016 10:38 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 at 10:34 Emile van Sebille mailto:em...@fenx.com>> wrote: >> Except for that nasty licensing issue requiring source code. >> >> Emile > Licensing requires, in the GPL at least, that the *modified* sources be > made *available*, not that they be shipped with the product. Looking at > the Python license, and what tools already do, there is zero need to > ship the source to stay compliant. Hmm, the annotated Open Source Definition explicitly states "The program must include source code" -- how did I misinterpret that? Because you left off the part following: "... and must allow distribution in source code as well as compiled form". This is entirely a discussion of distribution in a compiled form. Aah, 'must' is less restrictive in this context than I expected. When you combine the two halves the first part might be more accurately phrased as 'The program must make source code available' rather than 'must include' which I understood to mean 'ship with'. Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] More optimisation ideas
On 2/5/2016 9:37 AM, Alexander Walters wrote: On 2/5/2016 12:27, Emile van Sebille wrote: On 2/1/2016 9:20 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: On 02/01/2016 08:40 AM, R. David Murray wrote: On the other hand, if the distros go the way Nick has (I think) been advocating, and have a separate 'system python for system scripts' that is independent of the one installed for user use, having the system-only python be frozen and sourceless would actually make sense on a couple of levels. Agreed. Except for that nasty licensing issue requiring source code. Emile Licensing requires, in the GPL at least, that the *modified* sources be made *available*, not that they be shipped with the product. Looking at the Python license, and what tools already do, there is zero need to ship the source to stay compliant. Hmm, the annotated Open Source Definition explicitly states "The program must include source code" -- how did I misinterpret that? Emile http://opensource.org/osd-annotated ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] More optimisation ideas
On 2/1/2016 9:20 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: On 02/01/2016 08:40 AM, R. David Murray wrote: On the other hand, if the distros go the way Nick has (I think) been advocating, and have a separate 'system python for system scripts' that is independent of the one installed for user use, having the system-only python be frozen and sourceless would actually make sense on a couple of levels. Agreed. Except for that nasty licensing issue requiring source code. Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Devguide: Add a table summarizing status of Python branches
On 1/21/2016 10:42 AM, Paul Moore wrote: On 21 January 2016 at 17:18, Brett Cannon wrote: It's live: https://docs.python.org/devguide/#status-of-python-branches Nice :-) Minor nit, the status column says "end of life", but the text below the table uses the term "end of line" (as does the comment "Versions older than 2.6 reached their end-of-line". From my experience, "end of life" is the more common term. I'd prefer end-of-support -- bet you can't count how many pre 2.5 installations are still live. Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Third milestone of FAT Python
On 12/4/2015 11:39 AM, MRAB wrote: On 2015-12-04 19:22, Isaac Morland wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2015, MRAB wrote: > Constant folding is when, say, "1 + 2" replaced by "2". Isn't that called backspacing? ;-) Oops! I meant "1 + 1", of course. Or "3". Either would work. :-) Oh, you must surely have meant '1 and 2' Looking-for-truth-in-all-the-wrong-places-ly y'rs, Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] A quick word on top posting
Your +infinity could have easily been top posted -- particularly when there's no in-line comments that require context. just-because-I'm-on-what-feels-like-a-300-baud-connection-ly yr's, Emile On 7/19/2015 2:16 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 19/07/2015 22:06, Brett Cannon wrote: There is absolutely no reason we can't keep discussions cordial, friendly, and on-point on this list and prevent this sort of debacle from occurring again. +infinity ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 4?
On 4/3/2014 7:46 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2014 10:36 AM, R. David Murray wrote: More seriously, I don't believe there should ever be a Py4k the way there was a Py3k, and would prefer not to feed any rumours that there might be. Amen! +1 Can't we just refer to PySky and leave it at that? :) Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Requesting pronouncement on PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions
On 3/12/2014 1:44 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: unless someone's going to employ me to champion PEPs full time :) (Hmm. That would be an interesting job title on the resume.) It's available now -- www.pepboys.com :) Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python 4: don't remove anything, don't break backward compatibility
On 3/10/2014 12:29 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: I don't think there'd be huge problems with a 4.0 release that's just like 3.10 except that it's a little more free with removal of deprecateds. Maybe that could be the point at which 2.x compatibility is dropped, ... and the point at which those of us on 2.x jump over 3.x to 4.x. :) Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460: allowing %d and %f and mojibake
On 1/13/2014 4:06 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: of text methods -- together with a text-like literal syntax and default repr(), even though at least half the time they're completely inappropriate! Better said as 'half the time they're coincidentally helpful!' My $.01 :) Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460: allowing %d and %f and mojibake
On 01/12/2014 11:30 AM, Emile van Sebille wrote:
On 01/12/2014 09:26 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
Can you give an example of code that is *nearly* acceptable to you,
which works in Python 2 and 3 today, and explain what improvements you
would like to see to it in order to use it instead of waiting for a
core change?
I'm not a developer, but I'm trying to understand how in v3 I accomplish
what in v2 is easy:
len(open('chars','wb').write("".join(map (chr,range(256.read())
my bad :
>>> open('chars','wb').write("".join(map (chr,range(256
>>> len(open('chars','rb').read())
256
What's the v3 equivalent?
Emile
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460: allowing %d and %f and mojibake
On 01/12/2014 09:26 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
Can you give an example of code that is *nearly* acceptable to you,
which works in Python 2 and 3 today, and explain what improvements you
would like to see to it in order to use it instead of waiting for a
core change?
I'm not a developer, but I'm trying to understand how in v3 I accomplish
what in v2 is easy:
len(open('chars','wb').write("".join(map (chr,range(256.read())
What's the v3 equivalent?
Emile
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Re: [Python-Dev] General Q&A regarding Python 3, adoption etc.
On 1/6/2014 3:16 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: I thought I mentioned it on this list last year when I first wrote it, but some messages I've seen recently suggest many folks haven't seen it before. And even more will see it if you provide a link. Please. Emile ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
