[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 5:23 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:56, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > Volunteers are welcome! :) > > Wow, that was fast! Thanks for the offers for help. I’ll add everyone who’s > stepped up so far to the list moderators. Yes, you do get a notification > every day with a link right to the moderation page. > > Cheers, > -Barry I'll echo the "wow". :) Happy to see people jumping at the chance to help. Hopefully this leads to quicker moderation (which seems likely) that doesn't flood inboxes like today. As for me, I'll continue to lurk and learn as I continue my sophomore year as a college student majoring in computer science, with hopes of becoming more active in contributing to Python as I gain more experience and skills. Thanks everyone! :D ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/2OAJ35YVR6N54O6WKJE6OQ2CBUGWUJQH/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
[even further off-topic] While I have the attention of so many community-spirited individuals, I might mention that webmaster@ could do with a few lurkers to get used to the traffic. At present it's solely maintained by Mats Wichmann and me, and I'm planning to step back from all PSF duties soon. The duties aren't heavy, but the traffic is fairly regular and most of it benefits from being answered sooner rather than later. So if anyone wants to pitch in, you'll be welcomed. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:28 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:56, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > Volunteers are welcome! :) > > Wow, that was fast! Thanks for the offers for help. I’ll add everyone > who’s stepped up so far to the list moderators. Yes, you do get a > notification every day with a link right to the moderation page. > > Cheers, > -Barry > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ETXCK6VHF6S3D6WOVYRDCXRSWCZRUVPW/ > ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/NCQQXZMHV5TNPTHPDSG45PFX3AKLLYUC/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:56, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Volunteers are welcome! :) Wow, that was fast! Thanks for the offers for help. I’ll add everyone who’s stepped up so far to the list moderators. Yes, you do get a notification every day with a link right to the moderation page. Cheers, -Barry signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ETXCK6VHF6S3D6WOVYRDCXRSWCZRUVPW/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
On 08.07.2019 23:10, Jonathan Goble wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 3:56 PM Barry Warsaw mailto:ba...@python.org>> wrote: On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:27, Jonathan Goble mailto:jcgob...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Is there a solution to this that would enable moderators to approve > more frequently? Volunteers are welcome! :) -Barry I'd offer to volunteer, but I am merely a lurker and not active in the community, and I feel like someone more active and known in the community should take that role. Speaking of which, it looks like an -ideas mod has volunteered for -announce, so maybe that will help. :) The requirement here is not prior fame but free time for the job (and a minimal amount of common sense if that could be called a requirement). ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/DIPEU26LK5JE5B2QH3LSHVSC44FGDMP7/ -- Regards, Ivan ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/PYIZNVIGHSPSQ6T37UN62SSWHDAOI4N7/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
Fred Drake wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:59 PM Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org... wrote: > > I’m not a super active moderator, but I do have to > > say that it’s so much > > easier to clear the queue now that the list is on Mailman 3. That said, > > it still takes active participation in order to review held messages. > > ... > > Volunteers are welcome! :) > > Does Mailman 3 notify moderators when candidates for moderation enter > the queue? Yes! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/2RTBHGIAM6FNUGUJU3RMUFWXOOWKGINJ/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
On 07/08/2019 12:56 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I’m not a super active moderator, but I do have to say that it’s so much easier to clear the queue now that the list is on Mailman 3. That said, it still takes active participation in order to review held messages. Volunteers are welcome! :) Sign me up! Looks like much less of a burden than -list is (and probably about the same as core-mentorship). :-) -- ~Ethan~ ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ESE3KMJERJBROYNXVJDWBK44BWYL73ZD/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 03:27:50PM -0400, Jonathan Goble wrote: > (I don't know the best list to post this to, so if this is not it, > please forgive me and point me in the right direction. Thanks.) > > So my inbox, and probably many of yours, was flooded this afternoon > with a dozen-plus emails from the Python-Announce list. I understand > that this list requires every email to be manually approved by a > moderator. The problem is that this is done infrequently. Prior to > today, the last round of approvals was June 26, almost two weeks ago. > This is not an atypical delay; on the contrary, it seems that > moderators only look at the queue once every one to two weeks. > > There are several problems with these delays: > > 1. They result in floods of emails, with a large number of emails in a > short period of time. This makes inbox management difficult on the > days that approvals are done. Before you argue that "it's fine if you > have the right tools configured in the right way", consider that there > are probably many people who are subscribed to Python-Announce who > have no interest in and are not subscribed to any of the actual > discussion lists where such tools are most beneficial. Complex tool > configurations should not be a requirement for managing incoming > emails from what is essentially (to those people) a notification-only > mailing list. These people would be better served by frequent > approvals several times a week, allowing them to get fewer emails at > one time, but in a more timely manner. > > 2. Speaking of a more timely manner, the lengthy delays result in > redundant and outdated emails going through after the point where they > are no longer relevant. One such issue exemplified by today's set of > approvals (and seen on previous occasions before) is an announcement > of a new release of a PyPI package not being approved until after > there has already been a subsequent release to that same package. In > this case I am referring to the pytest 5.0.0 announcement sent to the > list on June 28 (according to the headers), followed by the pytest > 5.0.1 announcement sent to the list on July 5. Neither was approved > and delivered to subscribers until today. > > 3. More importantly in terms of delays, on July 3 an announcement was > sent to the list regarding the impending switch of EuroPython ticket > rates to the late registration rate on July 6. This is an example of a > time-sensitive announcement that needs to not be delayed. Instead, the > email was not approved and delivered to subscribers until today, July > 8, after the conference has already begun, and not in time for list > subscribers to react and avoid the late registration rates. > > Is there a solution to this that would enable moderators to approve > more frequently? I understand that they are probably volunteers and > need to find spare time to wade through the queue, but if approvals > are done more frequently (even daily), then it will consume much less > time on each occasion. It would go from a task requiring an entire > hour (as it apparently did today based on the delivery timestamps) to > something that can be done on a coffee break. I already help moderate python-ideas and would be happy to help moderate announce. best, --titus -- C. Titus Brown, ctbr...@ucdavis.edu ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/SJIXMHD734APMOANNTFHE7QDNHZZXO6U/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 3:56 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:27, Jonathan Goble wrote: > > > Is there a solution to this that would enable moderators to approve > > more frequently? > > Volunteers are welcome! :) > > -Barry > I'd offer to volunteer, but I am merely a lurker and not active in the community, and I feel like someone more active and known in the community should take that role. Speaking of which, it looks like an -ideas mod has volunteered for -announce, so maybe that will help. :) > ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/DIPEU26LK5JE5B2QH3LSHVSC44FGDMP7/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:59 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > I’m not a super active moderator, but I do have to say that it’s so much > easier to clear the queue now that the list is on Mailman 3. That said, > it still takes active participation in order to review held messages. ... > Volunteers are welcome! :) Does Mailman 3 notify moderators when candidates for moderation enter the queue? If so, I'll step up to help out. MM3 knows me as "f...@fdrake.net". -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. "A storm broke loose in my mind." --Albert Einstein ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/VRQSQMPOH5NTJN46N6W5CAPTAGPHWSF3/
[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays
On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:27, Jonathan Goble wrote: > So my inbox, and probably many of yours, was flooded this afternoon > with a dozen-plus emails from the Python-Announce list. I understand > that this list requires every email to be manually approved by a > moderator. I cleared the queue this morning, and unfortunately let one spam through. Apologies for that. I’m not a super active moderator, but I do have to say that it’s so much easier to clear the queue now that the list is on Mailman 3. That said, it still takes active participation in order to review held messages. > Is there a solution to this that would enable moderators to approve > more frequently? Volunteers are welcome! :) -Barry signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/QFWQTV4ISG52AB7EKX7I7LAPR3QZTVYJ/
