[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:15 AM Tim Peters wrote: > If you want more active moderation, volunteer for the job. I'd happily > give it up, and acknowledge that my laissez-faire moderation approach > is out of style. I, for one, welcome your laissez-faire moderation approach. :D ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/CVEMNLRVWFGHNTADZNHZW6SKXURMLLL4/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On 8/19/2021 2:47 PM, Marco Sulla wrote: I think you're writing to me. I was writing to 3 people including you and everyone in general requesting that people be more careful when responding. I simply clicked the "Reply to all" Don't do that. Just followup to the list. button because I'm lazy. On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 at 20:38, Terry Reedy wrote: As I said before, I am using Ignore Thread to ignore these threads. Please stop evading my wishes by sending me private discourtesy copies. At least 3 people have done that when *not* responding to anything I wrote. -- Terry Jan Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/QO4S64HJIV3AB5TZZKICABELAZYXEXI4/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
I think you're writing to me. I simply clicked the "Reply to all" button because I'm lazy. And that's me that is polemic? X-D Furthermore you already replied to this topic before my intervention, so this makes me laugh doubly X-D Who's the spammer? Let the people decide On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 at 20:38, Terry Reedy wrote: > > As I said before, I am using Ignore Thread to ignore these threads. > Please stop evading my wishes by sending me private discourtesy copies. > At least 3 people have done that when *not* responding to anything I > wrote. > > -- > Terry Jan Reedy > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/KVI3OIM5N5XJLIWFHEMH67GMF6JFJDOT/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/W5FQBTX5CI42W7AYEEK5NEQYLYPXE7U7/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
I agree with you, and I would say that all this chaos will be avoided, if people leave the discussion between me and Steven alone. You can't say "I'm sick of spamming" if you put logs on the fire. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/LFZBBEWUJ2B6NSH3MBWKJMAA7WILAMDP/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
As I said before, I am using Ignore Thread to ignore these threads. Please stop evading my wishes by sending me private discourtesy copies. At least 3 people have done that when *not* responding to anything I wrote. -- Terry Jan Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/KVI3OIM5N5XJLIWFHEMH67GMF6JFJDOT/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
[me] > If you want more active moderation, volunteer for the job. I'd happily > give it up, and acknowledge that my laissez-faire moderation approach > is out of style. But, please, don't tell _me_ off-list that you volunteer. I want no say in who would become a new moderator - I'm already doing the job as I believe it's _best_ done. "Hands off" as much as possible. So if the community disagrees, they need to work out among themselves "the rules" for what should be suppressed, and pick moderators they believe will enforce those rules. I'm old, and cut my online discussion teeth via Usenet. It was total chaos, and I came to appreciate that deeply. Nobody was silenced by a central authority, but then again nobody could insist on being heard either. News readers quickly grew rather sophisticated notions of "killfiles", which allowed a user to quickly render posters they found useless, and/or toxic threads, and/or ... (anything that could be identified by a web of user-supplied regular expressions) completely invisible to them. The unsolvable problem I see with trying to ask a moderator to do that for everyone at once is that, to stop complaints about over-permissive moderation, the moderator would have to emulate the union of all list members' killfiles (had they ability to make their own), not their intersection. And then essentially no messages would be approved. You think I'm joking, but, e.g., back in the day I knew someone who killefiled every poster who had a surname that "sounded Armenian". And you better believe that _some_ people today would insist that _this_ message be suppressed because "killfile" evokes violence. Me, I'd consider suppressing it only because I generally find very little value in meta-posts, which this post _about_ python-dev moderation is ;-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/OER42TVZSUC5YG6TT7TWI263UC7SYU4N/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
Excuse me all for the useless back-and-forth... I can assure you I'm the last person who wanted it. But if someone insults me, I reply. Anyway, this will not last long. Goodbye and thanks for all the fish. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/QROBZWX5CKXOROUIA65B7TPOJ7O5TRUL/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:36:00PM -0400, Jonathan Goble wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:22 PM Terry Reedy wrote: On 8/18/2021 9:37 PM, Edwin Zimmerman wrote: > On 8/18/21 9:18 PM, Jonathan Goble wrote: >> I am mostly a lurker, but I am also considering unsubscribing if someone doesn't step in and stop the mess > > +1 Both the email and newsreader parts of Thunderbird have an option called Ignore Thread. Do your readers have such? I consume my email from a variety of disparate devices, including a Debian laptop, a Windows desktop, a Chromebook, an Android phone, and various university-managed computer labs. As such, and as I rely heavily on Gmail's filtering and labeling system to manage my email, I rely solely on Google's standard web interface and Android app for Gmail for the sake of a consistent experience across devices. I don't know if Google offers such an option. It takes me about three seconds to click a thread, see the arguing, and click Archive, but I'm getting tired of doing that repeatedly. https://gsuitetips.com/tips/gmail/how-to-mute-and-find-email-conversations/ To mute an email thread, simply: - Within Gmail: - Open the email conversation you want to mute - Click more and in the drop down menu select mute [...] When a conversation is muted, any new message will bypass your inbox so that the conversation stays archived. Muted conversations will reappear in your inbox if a new message in the conversation is addressed to you and no one else, or if you're added to the "To" or "Cc" line in a new message. Does that fix your problem? Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/HTKWGADUUAIPYSJVHCSQ6GKLPICM6Z56/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On 19/08/21 7:23 pm, Antoine Pitrou wrote: The whole thing is ridiculous enough to read like a Monty Python skit by now, but the trout-slapping ending is still missing. Just have the police come in and arrest everyone, that usually works. -- Greg ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/NRVEWJUUVGYLKQDAUQ4R5PFFNRX7KR5L/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 21:14:22 -0500 Tim Peters wrote: > Various variations on: > > > ... I am also considering unsubscribing if someone doesn't step in and stop > > the mess going on between Brett and Marco. ... > > Overall, "me too!" pile-ons _are_ "the [bulk of the] mess" to most > list subscribers. > > It will die out on its own in time. Dr. Brett should know by now that > he'll never get the "last word" with Dr. Marco, And everyone should > know by now that Dr. Marco won't let anyone else get the last word > either ;-) The whole thing is ridiculous enough to read like a Monty Python skit by now, but the trout-slapping ending is still missing. > As a matter of courtesy, though, it's less disruptive to the list > membership if you just unsubscribe rather than announce to the 3,585 > list members that you're considering unsubscribing ;-) Ok, let me announce that I don't consider unsubscribing because someone made a mess of themselves in public. ;-) Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/73LOOCZGLBHZVTL3T3XVRBN7G4VKAZ5W/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 12:42 PM Jonathan Goble wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:22 PM Terry Reedy wrote: >> >> On 8/18/2021 9:37 PM, Edwin Zimmerman wrote: >> > On 8/18/21 9:18 PM, Jonathan Goble wrote: >> >> I am mostly a lurker, but I am also considering unsubscribing if someone >> >> doesn't step in and stop the mess >> > >> > +1 >> >> Both the email and newsreader parts of Thunderbird have an option called >> Ignore Thread. Do your readers have such? > > > I consume my email from a variety of disparate devices, including a Debian > laptop, a Windows desktop, a Chromebook, an Android phone, and various > university-managed computer labs. As such, and as I rely heavily on Gmail's > filtering and labeling system to manage my email, I rely solely on Google's > standard web interface and Android app for Gmail for the sake of a consistent > experience across devices. I don't know if Google offers such an option. It > takes me about three seconds to click a thread, see the arguing, and click > Archive, but I'm getting tired of doing that repeatedly. > It does. Press M to mute a thread. ChrisA ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/5U7YX2W5D7FIA6TILMD6JQQEUQIVSFJD/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:22 PM Terry Reedy wrote: > On 8/18/2021 9:37 PM, Edwin Zimmerman wrote: > > On 8/18/21 9:18 PM, Jonathan Goble wrote: > >> I am mostly a lurker, but I am also considering unsubscribing if > someone doesn't step in and stop the mess > > > > +1 > > Both the email and newsreader parts of Thunderbird have an option called > Ignore Thread. Do your readers have such? > I consume my email from a variety of disparate devices, including a Debian laptop, a Windows desktop, a Chromebook, an Android phone, and various university-managed computer labs. As such, and as I rely heavily on Gmail's filtering and labeling system to manage my email, I rely solely on Google's standard web interface and Android app for Gmail for the sake of a consistent experience across devices. I don't know if Google offers such an option. It takes me about three seconds to click a thread, see the arguing, and click Archive, but I'm getting tired of doing that repeatedly. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/PTFMX4YD6QGFJOMWLEKHAEZKXULUQIGG/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On 8/18/2021 9:37 PM, Edwin Zimmerman wrote: On 8/18/21 9:18 PM, Jonathan Goble wrote: I am mostly a lurker, but I am also considering unsubscribing if someone doesn't step in and stop the mess +1 Both the email and newsreader parts of Thunderbird have an option called Ignore Thread. Do your readers have such? -- Terry Jan Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ZIPFXQ7UPOJYWBPM2ZSOTMS62CG5FY33/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
Various variations on: > ... I am also considering unsubscribing if someone doesn't step in and stop > the mess going on between Brett and Marco. ... Overall, "me too!" pile-ons _are_ "the [bulk of the] mess" to most list subscribers. It will die out on its own in time. Dr. Brett should know by now that he'll never get the "last word" with Dr. Marco, And everyone should know by now that Dr. Marco won't let anyone else get the last word either ;-) So stop feeding it. That's the practical thing to do. Like almost everything else in CPython-land, list moderation is a volunteer thing. I've been the most active (by far) list moderator here essentially forever, but I see my only _legitimate_ job as stopping spam. I might step in to block blatantly illegal posts too, but that hasn't yet come up. If you want more active moderation, volunteer for the job. I'd happily give it up, and acknowledge that my laissez-faire moderation approach is out of style. Else suit yourself: unsubscribe if you like, and come back whenever you like. It's all self-serve, and you're welcome here whenever "here" is welcome to you. As a matter of courtesy, though, it's less disruptive to the list membership if you just unsubscribe rather than announce to the 3,585 list members that you're considering unsubscribing ;-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ZK5YV5SPYCGKGE3UX2BTRFAGMGRKIJIS/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On 8/18/21 9:18 PM, Jonathan Goble wrote: > I am mostly a lurker, but I am also considering unsubscribing if someone > doesn't step in and stop the mess +1 ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/NABYROSA6LJG6XAX5QZHLVLTI7KTCQQL/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Dropping out of this list
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:06 PM Luciano Ramalho wrote: > I bet I am not alone. > > Instead of going silently, I wanted to call on the adult supervision > to do something about the adult. > Please. I am mostly a lurker, but I am also considering unsubscribing if someone doesn't step in and stop the mess going on between Brett and Marco. It's becoming annoying to see adults, with doctorates even, who don't know how to behave in public. I've seen five-year-olds that behave better than what I've seen on this list recently. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/6ZXVIQ4OMOXPSC6L2CP5X4HXQTHNNOSC/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
