Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: Please elaborate commit messages

2018-05-22 Thread Terry Reedy

On 5/22/2018 2:26 PM, Yury Selivanov wrote:

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:52 AM Victor Stinner  wrote:


Usually, I don't open a new bug to fix or enhance a test. So I
wouldn't say that it's mandatory. It's really on a case by case basis.



It seems like test_asyncio failures are a hot topic these days :-)
It's one of the reasons why Python 3.7rc1 has been delayed by 2 days,
no? :-)


Yes, getting Windows tests stable wasn't easy. I think it's solved now
(thanks to Andrew), but we always welcome any help from other core devs :)


The AppVeyor (Windows) failure have been gone for a day.  The Travis 
failures are rarer.


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Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: Please elaborate commit messages

2018-05-22 Thread Yury Selivanov
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:52 AM Victor Stinner  wrote:

> Usually, I don't open a new bug to fix or enhance a test. So I
> wouldn't say that it's mandatory. It's really on a case by case basis.

> It seems like test_asyncio failures are a hot topic these days :-)
> It's one of the reasons why Python 3.7rc1 has been delayed by 2 days,
> no? :-)

Yes, getting Windows tests stable wasn't easy. I think it's solved now
(thanks to Andrew), but we always welcome any help from other core devs :)

Yury
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Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: Please elaborate commit messages

2018-05-22 Thread Terry Reedy

On 5/22/2018 8:37 AM, Andrew Svetlov wrote:

Sorry for that.
I thought that the bpo issue can be skipped because it is tests-only 
change, no asyncio code was affected.

Will be more accurate next time.


A new issue was not needed. Adding 'bpo-33531' would have been fine, 
automatically linking the issue and the PR in both directions.


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Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: Please elaborate commit messages

2018-05-22 Thread Victor Stinner
Usually, I don't open a new bug to fix or enhance a test. So I
wouldn't say that it's mandatory. It's really on a case by case basis.

It seems like test_asyncio failures are a hot topic these days :-)
It's one of the reasons why Python 3.7rc1 has been delayed by 2 days,
no? :-)

Victor

2018-05-22 14:37 GMT+02:00 Andrew Svetlov :
> Sorry for that.
> I thought that the bpo issue can be skipped because it is tests-only change,
> no asyncio code was affected.
> Will be more accurate next time.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:26 PM Victor Stinner  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In https://bugs.python.org/issue33531, Andrew Svetlov wrote "Fixed
>> failed sendfile tests on Windows (at least I hope so)." without giving
>> any bpo number or a commit number. So I looked at latest commits and I
>> found:
>>
>> ---
>> commit e2537521916c5bf88fcf54d4654ff1bcd332be4a
>> Author: Andrew Svetlov 
>> Date:   Mon May 21 12:03:45 2018 +0300
>>
>> Fix asyncio flaky tests (#7023)
>> ---
>>
>> Please try to write better error messages for people who will dig into
>> the Git history in 1, 5 or 10 years:
>>
>> * Usually, it's better to open a bug. Here you could give the full
>> error message, mention on which platform the test fails, etc.
>> * Mention which tests are affected
>> * Maybe even give an extract of the error message of the fixed test in
>> the commit message
>>
>> I know that it's more effort and fixing flaky tests is annoying and
>> may require multiple iterations, but again, please think to people who
>> will have to read the Git history later...
>>
>> I was able able to rebuild the context of this commit from a comment
>> of https://bugs.python.org/issue33531
>>
>> Victor
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Andrew Svetlov
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Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: Please elaborate commit messages

2018-05-22 Thread Andrew Svetlov
Sorry for that.
I thought that the bpo issue can be skipped because it is tests-only
change, no asyncio code was affected.
Will be more accurate next time.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:26 PM Victor Stinner  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In https://bugs.python.org/issue33531, Andrew Svetlov wrote "Fixed
> failed sendfile tests on Windows (at least I hope so)." without giving
> any bpo number or a commit number. So I looked at latest commits and I
> found:
>
> ---
> commit e2537521916c5bf88fcf54d4654ff1bcd332be4a
> Author: Andrew Svetlov 
> Date:   Mon May 21 12:03:45 2018 +0300
>
> Fix asyncio flaky tests (#7023)
> ---
>
> Please try to write better error messages for people who will dig into
> the Git history in 1, 5 or 10 years:
>
> * Usually, it's better to open a bug. Here you could give the full
> error message, mention on which platform the test fails, etc.
> * Mention which tests are affected
> * Maybe even give an extract of the error message of the fixed test in
> the commit message
>
> I know that it's more effort and fixing flaky tests is annoying and
> may require multiple iterations, but again, please think to people who
> will have to read the Git history later...
>
> I was able able to rebuild the context of this commit from a comment
> of https://bugs.python.org/issue33531
>
> Victor
>
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Thanks,
Andrew Svetlov
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[Python-Dev] Reminder: Please elaborate commit messages

2018-05-22 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi,

In https://bugs.python.org/issue33531, Andrew Svetlov wrote "Fixed
failed sendfile tests on Windows (at least I hope so)." without giving
any bpo number or a commit number. So I looked at latest commits and I
found:

---
commit e2537521916c5bf88fcf54d4654ff1bcd332be4a
Author: Andrew Svetlov 
Date:   Mon May 21 12:03:45 2018 +0300

Fix asyncio flaky tests (#7023)
---

Please try to write better error messages for people who will dig into
the Git history in 1, 5 or 10 years:

* Usually, it's better to open a bug. Here you could give the full
error message, mention on which platform the test fails, etc.
* Mention which tests are affected
* Maybe even give an extract of the error message of the fixed test in
the commit message

I know that it's more effort and fixing flaky tests is annoying and
may require multiple iterations, but again, please think to people who
will have to read the Git history later...

I was able able to rebuild the context of this commit from a comment
of https://bugs.python.org/issue33531

Victor
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