Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
Am 05.12.13 02:04, schrieb Vajrasky Kok: Cool. What about Linux/Unix/BSD with root account? If we have something similar, I may plan to write unit test for spwd module. Can you please phrase your question more explicit? What is it that you want to be done before writing unit tests for the spwd module? Anybody could run the test suite, and somebody might run it as root - so you must be asking for something else. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
Am 05.12.13 16:21, schrieb Vajrasky Kok: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Can you please phrase your question more explicit? What is it that you want to be done before writing unit tests for the spwd module? I am asking buildbot of Linux/Unix/BSD with root account. Do we have it now? Ah. I don't think we have one. If somebody would want to donate one, I suggest to run it in a VM, to reduce the (valid) security concerns that Guido has voiced. If a snapshot of the VM is made, it would be easy to restore in case a commit performs serious damage. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Am 05.12.13 16:21, schrieb Vajrasky Kok: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Can you please phrase your question more explicit? What is it that you want to be done before writing unit tests for the spwd module? I am asking buildbot of Linux/Unix/BSD with root account. Do we have it now? Ah. I don't think we have one. If somebody would want to donate one, I suggest to run it in a VM, to reduce the (valid) security concerns that Guido has voiced. If a snapshot of the VM is made, it would be easy to restore in case a commit performs serious damage. Are we worried about malicious or accidental damage, here? I might be able to offer a buildbot VM, though I don't know what the requirements are. ChrisA ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Can you please phrase your question more explicit? What is it that you want to be done before writing unit tests for the spwd module? I am asking buildbot of Linux/Unix/BSD with root account. Do we have it now? Anybody could run the test suite, and somebody might run it as root - so you must be asking for something else. Of course, I can write unit test for spwd module right now and mark it only to be run with root account and skipped with regular user account. But I would argue that it would be hard to find people running test suite with root account. That's why buildbot is helping much in this case. --Vajrasky ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
Am 05.12.13 16:31, schrieb Chris Angelico: Ah. I don't think we have one. If somebody would want to donate one, I suggest to run it in a VM, to reduce the (valid) security concerns that Guido has voiced. If a snapshot of the VM is made, it would be easy to restore in case a commit performs serious damage. Are we worried about malicious or accidental damage, here? Accidental damage is a serious risk, IMO. Malicious damage is a risk for the paranoid: it might be that an SSH key gets stolen, and is then used to commit a trojan. Of course, that would affect all build slaves (but less so if they run in a restricted account), and we would disable the key as soon as we notice, but some damage might have happened. I might be able to offer a buildbot VM, though I don't know what the requirements are. The machine should be up most of the time, including internet connectivity. A fixed IP address is no requirement (although I'm unsure how resilient the slaves are when the IP changes). The admin (i.e. you) needs to set up the box initially, and then care for it in case of problems; a response time of a few days for most of the year would be appreciated (although we can also deal with operators that leave for longer periods of time - we just disable the slave then, and reenable it when the admin brings it back up). The commitment should be for a long period, i.e. a few years. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Ryan Gonzalez rym...@gmail.com wrote: Just don't run it on Windows... Not helpful. I'm in meetings/training/traveling all week, but I'll get another Windows build slave up within the next few days. I used to have a spare desktop box that ran a build slave as admin so it would exercise the os.symlink code, but I moved, then the box died, etc. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: Not helpful. I'm in meetings/training/traveling all week, but I'll get another Windows build slave up within the next few days. I used to have a spare desktop box that ran a build slave as admin so it would exercise the os.symlink code, but I moved, then the box died, etc. Cool. What about Linux/Unix/BSD with root account? If we have something similar, I may plan to write unit test for spwd module. --Vajrasky ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
Greetings, comrades! Having handled these two issues personally: http://bugs.python.org/issue19877 - test related with symlink fails on Windows Vista with administrator account (in Windows NT 6, only account in administrator group can create symlink) http://bugs.python.org/issue18678 - bug in spwd module, which can be used only by root I believe there is a virtue of running the unit test as root/administrator to catch these errors automatically. Currently there is no unit test for spwd module. What do you say, comrades? --Vajrasky ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
I would be rather worried about some accidental Trojen running that way. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
On 03Dec2013 08:25, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: I would be rather worried about some accidental Trojen running that way. Or even just a badly framed clean-up-temp-files step. -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au manual, n.: A unit of documentation. There are always three or more on a given item. One is on the shelf; someone has the others. The information you need is in the others. - Ray Simard ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator
Just don't run it on Windows... On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: I would be rather worried about some accidental Trojen running that way. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/rymg19%40gmail.com -- Ryan When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look like a thumb. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
