Re: [Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

[Greg Ewing]

Serhiy Storchaka wrote:

Does it combine the base of Python 2 with the power of Python 3?


No, that would be Python Backwards-Six.

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Re: [Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

[Serhiy Storchaka]

On 01.04.16 00:40, Victor Stinner wrote:

The PSF is happy to announce that the new Python release will be
Python 8!


Does it combine the base of Python 2 with the power of Python 3?


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Re: [Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

[Senthil Kumaran]

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Victor Stinner 
wrote:

> For example, rename utils.py to utils_noqa.py. A side
> effect is that you have to update all imports. For example, replace
> "import django" with "import django_noqa". After a study of the PSF,
> it's a best option to split again the Python community and make sure
> that all users are angry.
>

We have a huge production code base, lacking tests, running successfully
against python2.4.
We would like to upgrade our code base to python 8 as we consider it as
most sensible update the python developers have ever done till date.
Is there is setuptools addition that can automatically change our imports
to _noqa ?

Thank you!
Senthil
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Re: [Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

[Glenn Linderman]

On 3/31/2016 2:40 PM, Victor Stinner wrote:

Hi,

Python 3 becomes more and more popular and is close to a dangerous point
where it can become popular that Python 2. The PSF decided that it's
time to elaborate a new secret plan to ensure that Python users suffer
again with a new major release breaking all their legacy code.

April 1 comes early in your timezone, I guess :)
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Re: [Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

[Ethan Furman]

On 03/31/2016 02:40 PM, Victor Stinner wrote:


 ImportError: no pep8, no glory


Nearly fell off my chair laughing!

Nice work.  :)

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Re: [Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

[Chris Angelico]

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Victor Stinner  wrote:
> You should now try Python 8 and try find if a module can still be imported ;-)

Okay I can fire up interactive Python and 'import this'. But I
can't run 'make'. This will be interesting!

ChrisA
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Re: [Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

[Brian Cain]

I bought it.  I will confess to being your first victim.  :)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Victor Stinner 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Python 3 becomes more and more popular and is close to a dangerous point
> where it can become popular that Python 2. The PSF decided that it's
> time to elaborate a new secret plan to ensure that Python users suffer
> again with a new major release breaking all their legacy code.
>
> The PSF is happy to announce that the new Python release will be
> Python 8!
>
> Why the version 8? It's just to be greater than Perl 6 and PHP 7, but
> it's also a mnemonic for PEP 8. By the way, each minor release will now
> multiply the version by 2. With Python 8 released in 2016 and one
> release every two years, we will beat Firefox 44 in 2022 (Python 64) and
> Windows 2003 in 2032 (Python 2048).
>
> A major release requires a major change to justify a version bump: the
> new killer feature is that it's no longer possible to import a module
> which does not respect the PEP 8. It ensures that all your code is pure.
> Example:
>
> $ python8 -c 'import keyword'
> Lib/keyword.py:16:1: E122 continuation line missing indentation or
> outdented
> Lib/keyword.py:16:1: E265 block comment should start with '# '
> Lib/keyword.py:50:1: E122 continuation line missing indentation or
> outdented
> (...)
> ImportError: no pep8, no glory
>
> Good news: since *no* module of the current standard library of Python 3
> respect the PEP 8, the standard library will be simplified to one
> unique module, which is new in Python 8: pep8. The standard library will
> move to the Python Cheeseshop (PyPI), to reply to an old and popular
> request.
>
>
> DON'T PANIC! You are still able to import your legacy code into
> Python 8, you just have to rename all your modules to add a "_noqa" suffix
> to the filename. For example, rename utils.py to utils_noqa.py. A side
> effect is that you have to update all imports. For example, replace
> "import django" with "import django_noqa". After a study of the PSF,
> it's a best option to split again the Python community and make sure
> that all users are angry.
>
>
> The plan is that in 10 years, at least 50% of the 77,000 packages on the
> Python cheeseshop will be updated to get the "_noqa" tag. After 2020,
> the PSF will start to sponsor trolls to harass users of the legacy
> Python 3 to force them to migrate to Python 8.
>
>
> Python 8 is a work-in-progress (it's still an alpha version), the
> standard library was not removed yet. Hopefully, trying to import any
> module of the standard library fails.
>
> Don't hesitate to propose more ideas to make Python 8 more incompatible
> with Python 3!
>
> Note: The change is already effective in the default branch of Python:
> https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/9aedec2dbc01
>
> Have fun,
> Victor
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[Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

[Victor Stinner]

Hi,

Python 3 becomes more and more popular and is close to a dangerous point
where it can become popular that Python 2. The PSF decided that it's
time to elaborate a new secret plan to ensure that Python users suffer
again with a new major release breaking all their legacy code.

The PSF is happy to announce that the new Python release will be
Python 8!

Why the version 8? It's just to be greater than Perl 6 and PHP 7, but
it's also a mnemonic for PEP 8. By the way, each minor release will now
multiply the version by 2. With Python 8 released in 2016 and one
release every two years, we will beat Firefox 44 in 2022 (Python 64) and
Windows 2003 in 2032 (Python 2048).

A major release requires a major change to justify a version bump: the
new killer feature is that it's no longer possible to import a module
which does not respect the PEP 8. It ensures that all your code is pure.
Example:

$ python8 -c 'import keyword'
Lib/keyword.py:16:1: E122 continuation line missing indentation or outdented
Lib/keyword.py:16:1: E265 block comment should start with '# '
Lib/keyword.py:50:1: E122 continuation line missing indentation or outdented
(...)
ImportError: no pep8, no glory

Good news: since *no* module of the current standard library of Python 3
respect the PEP 8, the standard library will be simplified to one
unique module, which is new in Python 8: pep8. The standard library will
move to the Python Cheeseshop (PyPI), to reply to an old and popular
request.


DON'T PANIC! You are still able to import your legacy code into
Python 8, you just have to rename all your modules to add a "_noqa" suffix
to the filename. For example, rename utils.py to utils_noqa.py. A side
effect is that you have to update all imports. For example, replace
"import django" with "import django_noqa". After a study of the PSF,
it's a best option to split again the Python community and make sure
that all users are angry.


The plan is that in 10 years, at least 50% of the 77,000 packages on the
Python cheeseshop will be updated to get the "_noqa" tag. After 2020,
the PSF will start to sponsor trolls to harass users of the legacy
Python 3 to force them to migrate to Python 8.


Python 8 is a work-in-progress (it's still an alpha version), the
standard library was not removed yet. Hopefully, trying to import any
module of the standard library fails.

Don't hesitate to propose more ideas to make Python 8 more incompatible
with Python 3!

Note: The change is already effective in the default branch of Python:
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/9aedec2dbc01

Have fun,
Victor
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