Re: [Python-Dev] buildbot is all green
Guido van Rossum wrote: FWIW, it looks like all the sample templates are still wasting a lot of horizontal space in the first two columns the second is almost always empty. Perhaps the author of the change could be placed *below* the timestamp instead of next to it? Also for all practical purposes we can probably get rid of the seconds in the timestamp. So far the cosmetic changes have been done purely in CSS, implementing the above would (AFAICT) require modifying the buildbot waterfall display HTML generation. Something that's been shied away from thus far. -- Benji York ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Terry Reedy wrote: With a couple of more machines added, should there be two separate pages for trunk and 2.4 builds? Or do most checkins affect both? I'd like to avoid this, assuming that people only look at the main page. An individual checkin affects either the trunk or 2.4, but never both; many check-ins come in pairs. I mentioned the idea because I am not fond of horizontal scrolling, especially when there is a header column down the left and the prospect of several more columns being added, and thought others might feel the same. But this is, of course, for you, Guido, and whoever else is most concerned to decide. *If* someone revises the HTML generation, you might consider a main page that duplicates the column summary headers (but in two block of rows, one for trunk and one for maintenance) with links to the detail pages. If there are ever three simultaneous development tracks, say from 3.0 starting before the last 2.x is released, this might look even more attractive. Terry J. Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Manuzhai wrote: No; nobody volunteered a machine yet (plus the hand-holding that is always necessary with Windows). What exactly is needed for this? Does it need to be a machine dedicated to this stuff, or could I just run the tests once every day or so when I feel like it and have them submitted to buildbot? Has a machine been volunteered ? I have a spare machine and an always on connection. Would the 'right' development tools be needed ? (In the case of Microsoft they are a touch expensive I believe.) All the best, Michael Foord Regards, Manuzhai ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/fuzzyman%40voidspace.org.uk ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Guido van Rossum wrote: They don't; I think a separate page would be a fine idea. Ok, I have now split this into three pages. FWIW, it looks like all the sample templates are still wasting a lot of horizontal space in the first two columns the second is almost always empty. Perhaps the author of the change could be placed *below* the timestamp instead of next to it? Also for all practical purposes we can probably get rid of the seconds in the timestamp. The latter was easy to do, so I did it. The former is tricky; contributions are welcome. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Steve Holden wrote: All formats would be improved of the headers could be made to float at the top of the page as scrolling took place. Can this be done in CSS? If so, contributions are welcome. If not, can somebody prepare a modified page with the necessary changes (preferably only additional classes for the header or some such); I can then try to edit buildbot to add these changes into the page. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Martin v. Löwis wrote: Steve Holden wrote: All formats would be improved of the headers could be made to float at the top of the page as scrolling took place. Can this be done in CSS? If so, contributions are welcome. Not as it is. The big table would have to be split so that there is one table with the heading and one with the rest. But that would make the columns independent, so the header's column widths would differ from the content's. Even then, I don't know if there's a working solution for the headers to stay on top since * floats are only left or right aligned * the header's height is variable * position:absolute doesn't work in MSIE. regards, Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Michael Foord wrote: Has a machine been volunteered ? Not yet. I have a spare machine and an always on connection. Would the 'right' development tools be needed ? (In the case of Microsoft they are a touch expensive I believe.) Any build process would do. I would prefer to see the official tools on the buildbot (i.e. VS.NET 2003), but anything else that can build Python and pass the test suite could do as well. One issue is that you also have to to work with me on defining the build steps: what sequence of commands to send in what order. For Unix, that is easy; for Windows, not so. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Martin v. Löwis wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Has a machine been volunteered ? Not yet. I have a spare machine and an always on connection. Would the 'right' development tools be needed ? (In the case of Microsoft they are a touch expensive I believe.) Any build process would do. I would prefer to see the official tools on the buildbot (i.e. VS.NET 2003), Man, that's a difficult (and expensive) piece of software to obtain, unless you're a student. I couldn't find a legal non-academic version for less than £100. I might hunt around though. Shame. I suspect that hacking the free compilers to work would require more knowledge than I possess. Sorry. but anything else that can build Python and pass the test suite could do as well. One issue is that you also have to to work with me on defining the build steps: what sequence of commands to send in what order. For Unix, that is easy; for Windows, not so. Working with you wouldn't be a problem. Looks like the idea is a currently a bit of a dead dog though. All the best, Michael Foord Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Michael Foord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: Any build process would do. I would prefer to see the official tools on the buildbot (i.e. VS.NET 2003), I can get a free academic license for VS.NET 2003 professional with my university (MSDNAA), and I've also got a Windows machine sitting in my office with a few spare cycles. One issue is that you also have to to work with me on defining the build steps: what sequence of commands to send in what order. For Unix, that is easy; for Windows, not so. If you're up for it, I'm up for it. It'll take me a bit to get the software on the machine. Want me to ping you when I get the toolset installed? - Josiah ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Josiah Carlson wrote: If you're up for it, I'm up for it. It'll take me a bit to get the software on the machine. Want me to ping you when I get the toolset installed? Sure! That should work fine. It would be best if the buildbot would run with the environment variables all set up, so that both svn.exe and devenv.exe can be found in the path. Then I would need the sequence of commands that the buildbot master should issue (svn update, build, run tests, clean). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Georg Brandl wrote: Don't we have a Windows slave yet? No; nobody volunteered a machine yet (plus the hand-holding that is always necessary with Windows). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ Wow, that's very cool! Cheers, mwh -- Aardappel this I hate c++ is so old dash it's as old as C++, yes -- from Twisted.Quotes ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Benji York wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ If there's interest in slightly nicer buildbot CSS (something like http://buildbot.zope.org/) I'd be glad to contribute. +1. Looks nice! Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Martin v. Löwis wrote: I personally don't care much about the visual look of web pages. However, people have commented that the buildbot page is ugly, so yes, please do contribute something. See http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb. It doesn't look quite as good in IE because of the limited HTML the buildbot waterfall display generates and the limitations of IE's CSS support. Bonus points for visually separating the trunk columns from the 2.4 columns. The best I could do without hacking buildbot was to highlight the trunk builder links. This only works in Firefox, also because of IE's limited CSS2 support. More could be done if the HTML generation was modified, but that didn't seem prudent. -- Benji York ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Benji York wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: I personally don't care much about the visual look of web pages. However, people have commented that the buildbot page is ugly, so yes, please do contribute something. See http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb. It doesn't look quite as good in IE because of the limited HTML the buildbot waterfall display generates and the limitations of IE's CSS support. Bonus points for visually separating the trunk columns from the 2.4 columns. The best I could do without hacking buildbot was to highlight the trunk builder links. This only works in Firefox, also because of IE's limited CSS2 support. More could be done if the HTML generation was modified, but that didn't seem prudent. I'd like to see vertical lines between the column. Why is everything bold? Bye, Walter Dörwald ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Walter Dörwald wrote: I'd like to see vertical lines between the column. Can you please elaborate? Between which columns? Why is everything bold? Not sure. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Martin v. Löwis wrote: Walter Dörwald wrote: I'd like to see vertical lines between the column. Can you please elaborate? Between which columns? Something like this: http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/python/buildbot.gif Why is everything bold? Not sure. Bye, Walter Dörwald ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Walter Dörwald wrote: I'd like to see vertical lines between the column. I've done a version like that (still at http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb). Why is everything bold? I was trying to increase the legibility of the smaller type (a result of trying to fit more in the horizontal space). The current version is bold-free with slightly larger text. -- Benji York ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Martin v. Löwis wrote: Benji York wrote: See http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb. Great! you haven't explicitly stated that: may I copy this on python.org? (I did, but I need confirmation) Sure! Feel free to use it as you wish. I replied to Walter Dörwald's suggestions and made a few changes, but don't know which I like better. If you prefer the new one at http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb you can use it as well. (copying python-dev as a permanent record of permission) -- Benji York ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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No; nobody volunteered a machine yet (plus the hand-holding that is always necessary with Windows). What exactly is needed for this? Does it need to be a machine dedicated to this stuff, or could I just run the tests once every day or so when I feel like it and have them submitted to buildbot? Regards, Manuzhai ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Neal Norwitz wrote: On 2/19/06, Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Dörwald wrote: I'd like to see vertical lines between the column. I've done a version like that (still at http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb). I liked your current version better so I installed it. How about this one: http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/python/BuildBot_%20Python.html Bye, Walter Dörwald ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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On 2/19/06, Walter Dörwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: On 2/19/06, Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Dörwald wrote: I'd like to see vertical lines between the column. I've done a version like that (still at http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb). I liked your current version better so I installed it. How about this one: http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/python/BuildBot_%20Python.html I like it. It's really nice to be able to fit it all on a single screen (at least for me). Seems slightly crisper to me as well. -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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On Sunday 19 February 2006 16:14, Benji York wrote: I replied to Walter Dörwald's suggestions and made a few changes, but don't know which I like better. If you prefer the new one at http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb you can use it as well. I like the new one better; any chance we can switch to that on buildbot.zope.org as well? ;-) The improved use of horizontal space is good. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fdrake at acm.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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On Sunday 19 February 2006 18:07, Walter Dörwald wrote: How about this one: http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/python/BuildBot_%20Python.html Sigh. This is nice too. Now I'm not sure which I'd rather see on zope.org. ;-) -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fdrake at acm.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Manuzhai wrote: No; nobody volunteered a machine yet (plus the hand-holding that is always necessary with Windows). What exactly is needed for this? Does it need to be a machine dedicated to this stuff, or could I just run the tests once every day or so when I feel like it and have them submitted to buildbot? The point of buildbot (atleast the way we use it) is to see immediately what check-in broke the tests on some platform. So yes, permanent availability would be desirable. However, buildbot runs in the background (atleast on Unix), and gets triggered whenever a checkin occurs. So the machine doesn't have to be *dedicated*; any machine that is always on might do. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Benji York wrote: See http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb. It doesn't look quite as good in IE because of the limited HTML the buildbot waterfall display generates and the limitations of IE's CSS support. Thanks again for the contribution! The best I could do without hacking buildbot was to highlight the trunk builder links. This only works in Firefox, also because of IE's limited CSS2 support. More could be done if the HTML generation was modified, but that didn't seem prudent. I looked at it, and it would require quite a lot of changes to the buildbot, so I abstain from wanting such a thing (atleast for the moment). Your regex-matching (or whatever the mechanism is) works quite well for me. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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is always necessary with Windows). With a couple of more machines added, should there be two separate pages for trunk and 2.4 builds? Or do most checkins affect both? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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On 2/19/06, Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With a couple of more machines added, should there be two separate pages for trunk and 2.4 builds? Or do most checkins affect both? They don't; I think a separate page would be a fine idea. FWIW, it looks like all the sample templates are still wasting a lot of horizontal space in the first two columns the second is almost always empty. Perhaps the author of the change could be placed *below* the timestamp instead of next to it? Also for all practical purposes we can probably get rid of the seconds in the timestamp. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] buildbot is all green
Walter Dörwald wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: On 2/19/06, Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Dörwald wrote: I'd like to see vertical lines between the column. I've done a version like that (still at http://www.benjiyork.com/pybb). I liked your current version better so I installed it. How about this one: http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/python/BuildBot_%20Python.html All formats would be improved of the headers could be made to float at the top of the page as scrolling took place. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Terry Reedy wrote: is always necessary with Windows). With a couple of more machines added, should there be two separate pages for trunk and 2.4 builds? Or do most checkins affect both? I'd like to avoid this, assuming that people only look at the main page. An individual checkin affects either the trunk or 2.4, but never both; many check-ins come in pairs. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ Whoever is first to break the build, buys a round of drinks at PyCon! That's over 400 people and counting: http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/pycon-attendees.txt Remember to run the tests *before* checkin. :-) n ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Neal Norwitz wrote: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ If there's interest in slightly nicer buildbot CSS (something like http://buildbot.zope.org/) I'd be glad to contribute. -- Benji York ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Neal Norwitz wrote: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ Whoever is first to break the build, buys a round of drinks at PyCon! That's over 400 people and counting: http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/pycon-attendees.txt Remember to run the tests *before* checkin. :-) I don't think we can blame Tim's recent checkins for test_logging subsequently breaking on Solaris though ;) There still seems to be something a bit temperamental in that test. . . Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Brisbane, Australia --- http://www.boredomandlaziness.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Benji York wrote: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ If there's interest in slightly nicer buildbot CSS (something like http://buildbot.zope.org/) I'd be glad to contribute. I personally don't care much about the visual look of web pages. However, people have commented that the buildbot page is ugly, so yes, please do contribute something. Bonus points for visually separating the trunk columns from the 2.4 columns. Would a vertical line be appropriate? Bigger spacing? Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Neal Norwitz wrote: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ Unfortunately, test_logging still fails sporadically on Solaris. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Neal Norwitz wrote: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ Whoever is first to break the build, buys a round of drinks at PyCon! That's over 400 people and counting: http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/pycon-attendees.txt Remember to run the tests *before* checkin. :-) Don't we have a Windows slave yet? Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
