Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-07 Thread Senthil Kumaran
Hi Andrew,

On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 11:16:54PM +0300, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
 I tried to:
 andrew@tiktaalik2 ~/projects hg clone ssh://h...@hg.python.org/cpython
 ssh://h...@hg.python.org/sandbox/tkdocs
 repo created, public URL is http://hg.python.org/sandbox/tkdocs
 abort: clone from remote to remote not supported

You could do the server side clone using the web form here -
http://hg.python.org/cpython/

Then you could you that repo to work on your stuff.

Thanks,
Senthil

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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-07 Thread Andrew Svetlov
Thank you. That works. Is there way to delete unused repo?

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Senthil Kumaran sent...@uthcode.com wrote:
 Hi Andrew,

 On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 11:16:54PM +0300, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
 I tried to:
 andrew@tiktaalik2 ~/projects hg clone ssh://h...@hg.python.org/cpython
 ssh://h...@hg.python.org/sandbox/tkdocs
 repo created, public URL is http://hg.python.org/sandbox/tkdocs
 abort: clone from remote to remote not supported

 You could do the server side clone using the web form here -
 http://hg.python.org/cpython/

 Then you could you that repo to work on your stuff.

 Thanks,
 Senthil




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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-07 Thread R. David Murray
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 15:15:00 +0300, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 Thank you. That works. Is there way to delete unused repo?

This is what I've heard:

If a repo isn't used (at all) it eventually gets deleted automatically.
Otherwise, you have to ask.  Probably python-committers is the best
place for a delete request.  If this becomes a burden at some point,
someone will figure out a secure way to automate it...security is the
reason it isn't automated now.

--David
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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-07 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
Andrew, when you prepare the tkinter documentation, I advise you to 
include a link to www.tkdocs.com -- probably the best resource in this 
way (at least it was very useful for me).


Maybe even should offer these guys do official documentation, if they 
agree and if there would be no conflict of interests (they offer 
commercial e-book).


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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-07 Thread Andrew Svetlov
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote:
 Andrew, when you prepare the tkinter documentation, I advise you to include
 a link to www.tkdocs.com -- probably the best resource in this way (at least
 it was very useful for me).

Done in sanbox/tkdoc repo.

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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:41:48 +0200
andrew.svetlov python-check...@python.org wrote:
 http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/774c2afa6665
 changeset:   76115:774c2afa6665
 user:Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com
 date:Thu Apr 05 12:41:20 2012 +0300
 summary:
   Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.
 Patch by Guilherme Polo.

Aren't there any docs?

Regards

Antoine.


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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-05 Thread Andrew Svetlov
Maybe you will be surprised, but tkinter.rst has no comprehensive docs
for any tkinter class.
I like to get it fixed but definitely cannot do it myself. My very
poor English is the main objection for writing narrative
documentation.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
 On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:41:48 +0200
 andrew.svetlov python-check...@python.org wrote:
 http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/774c2afa6665
 changeset:   76115:774c2afa6665
 user:        Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com
 date:        Thu Apr 05 12:41:20 2012 +0300
 summary:
   Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.
 Patch by Guilherme Polo.

 Aren't there any docs?

 Regards

 Antoine.


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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-05 Thread R. David Murray
(reformatted to remove topposting)

On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:52:56 +0300, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
  On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:41:48 +0200
  andrew.svetlov python-check...@python.org wrote:
  http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/774c2afa6665
  changeset:   76115:774c2afa6665
  user:        Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com
  date:        Thu Apr 05 12:41:20 2012 +0300
  summary:
    Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.
  Patch by Guilherme Polo.
 
  Aren't there any docs?

 Maybe you will be surprised, but tkinter.rst has no comprehensive docs
 for any tkinter class.
 I like to get it fixed but definitely cannot do it myself. My very
 poor English is the main objection for writing narrative
 documentation.

One way to approach this problem would be to draft some rough docs that
try to capture the functionality without worrying about English content
or style.  Then you could post the rough draft somewhere, and ask for
someone from the docs mailing list to edit it.  My thought would be that
whoever took on the task would then do a rewrite, asking you questions
to fill in any details that aren't clear from the rough draft.

Thank, you, by the way, for all the work you are doing.

--David
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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-05 Thread Andrew Svetlov
Thank you, David.
Is separate repo clone located at hg.python.org good enough? Or maybe
there are better way to do it?

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
 (reformatted to remove topposting)

 On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:52:56 +0300, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
  On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:41:48 +0200
  andrew.svetlov python-check...@python.org wrote:
  http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/774c2afa6665
  changeset:   76115:774c2afa6665
  user:        Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com
  date:        Thu Apr 05 12:41:20 2012 +0300
  summary:
    Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.
  Patch by Guilherme Polo.
 
  Aren't there any docs?

 Maybe you will be surprised, but tkinter.rst has no comprehensive docs
 for any tkinter class.
 I like to get it fixed but definitely cannot do it myself. My very
 poor English is the main objection for writing narrative
 documentation.

 One way to approach this problem would be to draft some rough docs that
 try to capture the functionality without worrying about English content
 or style.  Then you could post the rough draft somewhere, and ask for
 someone from the docs mailing list to edit it.  My thought would be that
 whoever took on the task would then do a rewrite, asking you questions
 to fill in any details that aren't clear from the rough draft.

 Thank, you, by the way, for all the work you are doing.

 --David

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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-05 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:34:07 +0300, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 Thank you, David.
 Is separate repo clone located at hg.python.org good enough? Or maybe
 there are better way to do it?

That sounds like a good plan to me.

--David
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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-05 Thread Terry Reedy

On 4/5/2012 10:06 AM, R. David Murray wrote:

(reformatted to remove topposting)

On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:52:56 +0300, Andrew Svetlovandrew.svet...@gmail.com  
wrote:

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Antoine Pitrousolip...@pitrou.net  wrote:



Aren't there any docs?


Maybe you will be surprised, but tkinter.rst has no comprehensive docs
for any tkinter class.


There are doc strings to be updated. See below.


I like to get it fixed but definitely cannot do it myself. My very
poor English is the main objection for writing narrative
documentation.


One way to approach this problem would be to draft some rough docs that
try to capture the functionality without worrying about English content
or style.  Then you could post the rough draft somewhere, and ask for
someone from the docs mailing list to edit it.  My thought would be that
whoever took on the task would then do a rewrite, asking you questions
to fill in any details that aren't clear from the rough draft.

Thank, you, by the way, for all the work you are doing.


I have been hoping to work on a proper tkinter doc. I discovered some 
time ago through the pydoc server (not currently working for me, see 
http://bugs.python.org/issue14512)
that their are doc strings for (most) everything. I have been meaning to 
ask whether there is a way to build a draft doc from the doc strings. 
The first major editing job, given output like I saw in the browser, 
would be to remove the constant duplication of entries for inherited 
methods. Some widgets inherit perhaps a hundred methods and only add or 
override a couple. I guess the next question is whether a draft doc 
could be built *without* pulling in inherited methods.


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Terry Jan Reedy

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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #3033: Add displayof parameter to tkinter font.

2012-04-05 Thread Andrew Svetlov
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:

 I have been hoping to work on a proper tkinter doc. I discovered some time
 ago through the pydoc server (not currently working for me, see
 http://bugs.python.org/issue14512)
 that their are doc strings for (most) everything. I have been meaning to ask
 whether there is a way to build a draft doc from the doc strings.

I'll do it. Frankly speaking I don't like to do, 'hate' is better word
to describe my opinion.
But somebody need to make tkinter docs consistent.
I doubt if that work can be done by some script well enough —
docstrings should to be reformatted according
to Sphinx markup.

Please after I will finish initial transform help me to make this part
of documentation as good as Python Docs should be.
I think the excellent narrative Python documentation makes a big deal
in python wide spreading.
I remember docs for 1.5. Not so bad, but it's incompatible to docs for now.

Also, please help me to make hg clone for tk documentation located in
hg.python.org.
I tried to:
andrew@tiktaalik2 ~/projects hg clone ssh://h...@hg.python.org/cpython
ssh://h...@hg.python.org/sandbox/tkdocs
repo created, public URL is http://hg.python.org/sandbox/tkdocs
abort: clone from remote to remote not supported
http://hg.python.org/sandbox/tkdocs is empty.

Looks like I don't know Mercurial well enough to to it.
When I'll get online clone of cpython available to myself as well as
visible to everyone and write accessible to python committers
(I hope you will push updates as well) — I will start to do.




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