Re: [Python-Dev] socketserver ForkingMixin waiting for child processes
2017-08-12 0:34 GMT+02:00 Ryan Smith-Roberts : > Since ThreadingMixIn also leaks threads, > server_close() could grow a timeout flag (following the socket module > timeout convention) and maybe a terminate boolean. ThreadingMixIn could then > also be fixed. I'm not sure how useful that is though, since I'd bet almost > all users of socketserver exit the process shortly after server_close(). > Plus it can't be backported to the feature-freeze branches. Oh. It took me 2 months, but I finally identified why *sometimes*, test_logging fails with warning about threads. It's exactly because of the weak socketserver.ThreadingMixIn which leaves running threads in the background, even after server_close(). I just opened a new issue: "socketserver.ThreadingMixIn leaks running threads after server_close()" https://bugs.python.org/issue31233 Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] socketserver ForkingMixin waiting for child processes
Hi, The first bug was that test_socketserver "leaked" child processes: it means that socketserver API creates zombie processes depending how long the child processes take to complete. If you want to backport my change waiting until child processes complete, you need to fix the bug differently, so test_socketserver doesn't leak processes (ex: wait until child processes complete in test_socketserver). 2017-08-12 0:34 GMT+02:00 Ryan Smith-Roberts : > I agree that blocking shutdown by default isn't a good idea. A child will > eventually get indefinitely stuck on a nonresponsive connection and hang the > whole server. This behavior change is surprising and should be reverted in > master, and definitely not backported. Right, a child process can hang. The question is how to handle such case. I see 3 choices: * Do nothing: Python 3.6 behaviour * Blocking wait until the child process completes * Wait a few seconds and then kill the process after a dead line In Python 3.6, the process is stuck and continue to run even after shutdown() and server_close(). That's surprising and doesn't seem right to me. > As for block-timeout or block-timeout-kill, waiting more than zero seconds > in server_close() should be optional, because you're right that the best > timeout is circumstantial. Maybe we need to add a new method to wait N seconds until children completes, then send SIGTERM, and finally send SIGKILL if children take longer than N seconds to complete. So the developer becomes responsible of killing child processes. In the Apache world, it's called the "graceful" stop: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/stopping.html > Since ThreadingMixIn also leaks threads, > server_close() could grow a timeout flag (following the socket module > timeout convention) and maybe a terminate boolean. Oh, I didn't know that ThreadingMixIn also leaks threads. That's a similar but different issue. It's not easily possible to "kill" a thread. > Plus it can't be backported to the feature-freeze branches. IMHO leaking zombie processes is a bug, but I'm ok to keep bugs and only fix tests. Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] socketserver ForkingMixin waiting for child processes
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 6:46 AM Victor Stinner > wrote: >> => http://bugs.python.org/issue31151 >> >> I changed the code to call waitpid() in blocking mode on each child >> process on server_close(), to ensure that all children completed when >> on server close: >> >> https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/aa8ec34ad52bb3b274ce91169e1bc4a598655049 >> >> After pushing my change, I'm not sure anymore if it's a good idea. >> There is a risk that server_close() blocks if a child is stuck on a >> socket recv() or send() for some reasons. I agree that this could be an unwanted change in behaviour. For example, a web browser could be holding a HTTP 1.1 persistent connection open. >> Should we relax the code by waiting a few seconds (problem: hardcoded >> timeouts are always a bad idea), or *terminate* processes (SIGKILL on >> UNIX) if they don't complete fast enough? It does seem reasonable to have an option to clean up background forks, whether by blocking, or terminating them immediately. On 11 August 2017 at 22:34, Ryan Smith-Roberts wrote: > Since ThreadingMixIn also leaks threads, > server_close() could grow a timeout flag (following the socket module > timeout convention) and maybe a terminate boolean. ThreadingMixIn could then > also be fixed. You could do a blocking join on each background thread. But I suspect there is no perfect way to terminate the threads without waiting. Using ThreadingMixIn.daemon_threads and exiting the interpreter might have to be good enough. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] socketserver ForkingMixin waiting for child processes
I agree that blocking shutdown by default isn't a good idea. A child will eventually get indefinitely stuck on a nonresponsive connection and hang the whole server. This behavior change is surprising and should be reverted in master, and definitely not backported. As for block-timeout or block-timeout-kill, waiting more than zero seconds in server_close() should be optional, because you're right that the best timeout is circumstantial. Since ThreadingMixIn also leaks threads, server_close() could grow a timeout flag (following the socket module timeout convention) and maybe a terminate boolean. ThreadingMixIn could then also be fixed. I'm not sure how useful that is though, since I'd bet almost all users of socketserver exit the process shortly after server_close(). Plus it can't be backported to the feature-freeze branches. It seems like this is getting complicated enough that putting the fix in test_socketserver.py is probably best. Another solution is to add a secret terminating-close flag to ForkingMixIn just for the tests. Is that good practice in the stdlib? On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 6:46 AM Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I'm working on reducing the failure rate of Python CIs (Travis CI, > AppVeyor, buildbots). For that, I'm trying to reduce test side effects > using "environment altered" warnings. This week, I worked on > support.reap_children() which detects leaked child processes (usually > created with os.fork()). > > I found a bug in the socketserver module: it waits for child processes > completion, but only in non-blocking mode. If a child process takes > too long, the server will never reads its exit status and so the > server leaks "zombie processes". Leaking processes can increase the > memory usage, spawning new processes can fail, etc. > > => http://bugs.python.org/issue31151 > > I changed the code to call waitpid() in blocking mode on each child > process on server_close(), to ensure that all children completed when > on server close: > > > https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/aa8ec34ad52bb3b274ce91169e1bc4a598655049 > > After pushing my change, I'm not sure anymore if it's a good idea. > There is a risk that server_close() blocks if a child is stuck on a > socket recv() or send() for some reasons. > > Should we relax the code by waiting a few seconds (problem: hardcoded > timeouts are always a bad idea), or *terminate* processes (SIGKILL on > UNIX) if they don't complete fast enough? > > I don't know which applications use socketserver. How I can test if it > breaks code in the wild? > > At least, I didn't notice any regression on Python CIs. > > Well, maybe the change is ok for the master branch. But I would like > your opinion because now I would like to backport the fix to 2.7 and > 3.6 branches. It might break some applications. > > If we *cannot* backport such change to 2.7 and 3.6 because it changes > the behaviour, I will fix the bug in test_socketserver.py instead. > > What do you think? > > Victor > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/rmsr%40lab.net > ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] socketserver ForkingMixin waiting for child processes
Common pattern I've used is to wait a bit, then send a kill signal. M -- Matt Billenstein m...@vazor.com Sent from my iPhone 6 (this put here so you know I have one) > On Aug 11, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm working on reducing the failure rate of Python CIs (Travis CI, > AppVeyor, buildbots). For that, I'm trying to reduce test side effects > using "environment altered" warnings. This week, I worked on > support.reap_children() which detects leaked child processes (usually > created with os.fork()). > > I found a bug in the socketserver module: it waits for child processes > completion, but only in non-blocking mode. If a child process takes > too long, the server will never reads its exit status and so the > server leaks "zombie processes". Leaking processes can increase the > memory usage, spawning new processes can fail, etc. > > => http://bugs.python.org/issue31151 > > I changed the code to call waitpid() in blocking mode on each child > process on server_close(), to ensure that all children completed when > on server close: > > https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/aa8ec34ad52bb3b274ce91169e1bc4a598655049 > > After pushing my change, I'm not sure anymore if it's a good idea. > There is a risk that server_close() blocks if a child is stuck on a > socket recv() or send() for some reasons. > > Should we relax the code by waiting a few seconds (problem: hardcoded > timeouts are always a bad idea), or *terminate* processes (SIGKILL on > UNIX) if they don't complete fast enough? > > I don't know which applications use socketserver. How I can test if it > breaks code in the wild? > > At least, I didn't notice any regression on Python CIs. > > Well, maybe the change is ok for the master branch. But I would like > your opinion because now I would like to backport the fix to 2.7 and > 3.6 branches. It might break some applications. > > If we *cannot* backport such change to 2.7 and 3.6 because it changes > the behaviour, I will fix the bug in test_socketserver.py instead. > > What do you think? > > Victor > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/matt%40vazor.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] socketserver ForkingMixin waiting for child processes
Hi, I'm working on reducing the failure rate of Python CIs (Travis CI, AppVeyor, buildbots). For that, I'm trying to reduce test side effects using "environment altered" warnings. This week, I worked on support.reap_children() which detects leaked child processes (usually created with os.fork()). I found a bug in the socketserver module: it waits for child processes completion, but only in non-blocking mode. If a child process takes too long, the server will never reads its exit status and so the server leaks "zombie processes". Leaking processes can increase the memory usage, spawning new processes can fail, etc. => http://bugs.python.org/issue31151 I changed the code to call waitpid() in blocking mode on each child process on server_close(), to ensure that all children completed when on server close: https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/aa8ec34ad52bb3b274ce91169e1bc4a598655049 After pushing my change, I'm not sure anymore if it's a good idea. There is a risk that server_close() blocks if a child is stuck on a socket recv() or send() for some reasons. Should we relax the code by waiting a few seconds (problem: hardcoded timeouts are always a bad idea), or *terminate* processes (SIGKILL on UNIX) if they don't complete fast enough? I don't know which applications use socketserver. How I can test if it breaks code in the wild? At least, I didn't notice any regression on Python CIs. Well, maybe the change is ok for the master branch. But I would like your opinion because now I would like to backport the fix to 2.7 and 3.6 branches. It might break some applications. If we *cannot* backport such change to 2.7 and 3.6 because it changes the behaviour, I will fix the bug in test_socketserver.py instead. What do you think? Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
