Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-19 Thread Hagen Fürstenau
 3.2.1b1 was already merged back.  (And 3.2.1rc1 will also be merged back
 soon, since there will be a 3.2.1rc2.)

Thanks for the clarification! :-)

Cheers,
Hagen

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-19 Thread Tres Seaver
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On 05/18/2011 10:46 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
 On 18.05.2011 21:09, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
 Am 18.05.2011 20:39, schrieb Hagen Fürstenau:
 On behalf of the Python development team, I am pleased to announce the
 first release candidate of Python 3.2.1.

 Shouldn't there be a tag v3.2.1rc1 in the hg repo?

 http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.2.1/

 Regards,
 Martin

 P.S. Shouldn't makes it sound as if there was a mistake.

 To clarify: once the final is done, the repo Martin mentioned will be
 merged back to main and then vanish.
 
 Can't this work be done in the branch of main repo, so that everybody
 can track the progress in place? Is there any picture of the process
 similar to http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ ?

Note that in that writeup, 'release-*' (and 'hotfix-*') branches are not
shown as pushed to the 'origin' repository.


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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
That's great, but where is the list if changes?
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Georg Brandl ge...@python.org wrote:
 On behalf of the Python development team, I am pleased to announce the
 first release candidate of Python 3.2.1.

 Python 3.2.1 will the first bugfix release for Python 3.2, fixing over 120
 bugs and regressions in Python 3.2.

 For an extensive list of changes and features in the 3.2 line, see

    http://docs.python.org/3.2/whatsnew/3.2.html

 To download Python 3.2.1 visit:

    http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.1/

 This is a testing release: Please consider trying Python 3.2.1 with your code
 and reporting any bugs you may notice to:

    http://bugs.python.org/


 Enjoy!

 --
 Georg Brandl, Release Manager
 georg at python.org
 (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 3.2's contributors)
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Amaury Forgeot d'Arc
Hi,

2011/5/18 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?

All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?
 
 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

I think it would be good if the release announcement made some
summary statement, though, like NNN bugs have been fixed, in MMM
modules; see NEWS for details, or some such.

Regards,
Martin
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 18.05.2011 08:34, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?
 
 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.
 
 I think it would be good if the release announcement made some
 summary statement, though, like NNN bugs have been fixed, in MMM
 modules; see NEWS for details, or some such.

It does say over NNN bugs have been fixed, not sure if the MMM modules
add anything of value.

I agree that a link to the NEWS file should be present though.

Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc
amaur...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 2011/5/18 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?

 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

I actually followed http://docs.python.org/3.2/whatsnew/3.2.html to
Misc/NEWS, but it doesn't contain any references of 3.2.1
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?

 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

 I think it would be good if the release announcement made some
 summary statement, though, like NNN bugs have been fixed, in MMM
 modules; see NEWS for details, or some such.

That's a good idea. But for such kind of query Roundup should be
module aware [1,2]. I'd say if Jesse could make a competition on best
announcement format - we could easily see what information we tend to
skip while preparing the releases (and improve NEWS format [3]).

[1] http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/detail?id=8
[2] http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue373
[3] https://convore.com/the-changelog/the-best-changelog/
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:58 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc
 amaur...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 2011/5/18 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?

 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

 I actually followed http://docs.python.org/3.2/whatsnew/3.2.html to
 Misc/NEWS, but it doesn't contain any references of 3.2.1

What's New and Misc/NEWS are not the same thing.

Misc/NEWS is the second info link on the download page (Change log
for this release). (In this case, it lands at
http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.2.1/file/v3.2.1rc1/Misc/NEWS)

Agreed that What's New isn't a hugely useful thing to link from a
point release announcement, though. It sounds like Georg is going to
change that for the actual release.

Cheers,
Nick.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
 On 18.05.2011 08:34, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?

 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

 I think it would be good if the release announcement made some
 summary statement, though, like NNN bugs have been fixed, in MMM
 modules; see NEWS for details, or some such.

 It does say over NNN bugs have been fixed, not sure if the MMM modules
 add anything of value.

 I agree that a link to the NEWS file should be present though.

Wishlist item: How hard would it be to run a ReST parser over
Misc/NEWS and create a HTML version for inclusion in the release
pages? (Bonus points if it steals the issue reference linkification
code from the tracker...)

Cheers,
Nick.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:58 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc
 amaur...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 2011/5/18 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?

 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

 I actually followed http://docs.python.org/3.2/whatsnew/3.2.html to
 Misc/NEWS, but it doesn't contain any references of 3.2.1

 What's New and Misc/NEWS are not the same thing.

I believe you misunderstood. If you follow what's new link above, you
will see a link to Misc/NEWS, but this one leads to
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Misc/NEWS where no
references to 3.2.1 are available.

 Agreed that What's New isn't a hugely useful thing to link from a
 point release announcement, though. It sounds like Georg is going to
 change that for the actual release.

There is nothing bad in linking to major release notes (i.e. What's
New). IIRC, Mozilla does that for their minor releases, but they
explicitly mention changes since last minor release.
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 18.05.2011 12:49, Nick Coghlan wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
 On 18.05.2011 08:34, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?

 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

 I think it would be good if the release announcement made some
 summary statement, though, like NNN bugs have been fixed, in MMM
 modules; see NEWS for details, or some such.

 It does say over NNN bugs have been fixed, not sure if the MMM modules
 add anything of value.

 I agree that a link to the NEWS file should be present though.
 
 Wishlist item: How hard would it be to run a ReST parser over
 Misc/NEWS and create a HTML version for inclusion in the release
 pages? (Bonus points if it steals the issue reference linkification
 code from the tracker...)

See

http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html

which I made as an experiment a while ago.

Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
 On 18.05.2011 12:49, Nick Coghlan wrote:
 Wishlist item: How hard would it be to run a ReST parser over
 Misc/NEWS and create a HTML version for inclusion in the release
 pages? (Bonus points if it steals the issue reference linkification
 code from the tracker...)

 See

 http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html

 which I made as an experiment a while ago.

I quite like that! What would we need to do to make it part of the
docs build process?

Cheers,
Nick.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 18.05.2011 12:50, anatoly techtonik wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:58 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc
 amaur...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 2011/5/18 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
 That's great, but where is the list if changes?

 All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
 A Change log link on every download page displays this file.

 I actually followed http://docs.python.org/3.2/whatsnew/3.2.html to
 Misc/NEWS, but it doesn't contain any references of 3.2.1

 What's New and Misc/NEWS are not the same thing.
 
 I believe you misunderstood. If you follow what's new link above, you
 will see a link to Misc/NEWS, but this one leads to
 http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Misc/NEWS where no
 references to 3.2.1 are available.

This link is wrong, it should point to /cpython/file/3.2/Misc/NEWS.

(But you'll still not see 3.2.1 changes until the 3.2.1 final release,
because the rc is made from a separate clone.)

Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
 I believe you misunderstood. If you follow what's new link above, you
 will see a link to Misc/NEWS, but this one leads to
 http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Misc/NEWS where no
 references to 3.2.1 are available.

Ah, I see what you mean. That actually looks to be a bug in the
:source: tag that generates the file links. It should really
generate version appropriate links, but it currently just always links
to default. (This wasn't an issue until 3.2 was released and 3.3
development started. Older versions didn't have that tag, and hence
referenced the specific release directly).

The source code links in the module docs have the same problem (e.g.
see http://docs.python.org/3.2/library/functools)

Cheers,
Nick.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Victor Stinner
Le mercredi 18 mai 2011 à 12:58 +0200, Georg Brandl a écrit :
 On 18.05.2011 12:49, Nick Coghlan wrote:
  On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
  On 18.05.2011 08:34, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
  That's great, but where is the list if changes?
 
  All changes are always listed in the Misc/NEWS file.
  A Change log link on every download page displays this file.
 
  I think it would be good if the release announcement made some
  summary statement, though, like NNN bugs have been fixed, in MMM
  modules; see NEWS for details, or some such.
 
  It does say over NNN bugs have been fixed, not sure if the MMM modules
  add anything of value.
 
  I agree that a link to the NEWS file should be present though.
  
  Wishlist item: How hard would it be to run a ReST parser over
  Misc/NEWS and create a HTML version for inclusion in the release
  pages? (Bonus points if it steals the issue reference linkification
  code from the tracker...)
 
 See
 
 http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html
 
 which I made as an experiment a while ago.

Oh, I like it. But the output should be reST to be able to include it
directly in the Python documentation. Sphinx would generate a new table
of contents with links to each release.

Victor

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 01:26:40PM +0200, Victor Stinner wrote:
  http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html
  
 Oh, I like it. But the output should be reST to be able to include it
 directly in the Python documentation. Sphinx would generate a new table

Interesting ideas! It would be really useful too.
+1

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 18.05.2011 13:26, Victor Stinner wrote:

 See
 
 http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html
 
 which I made as an experiment a while ago.
 
 Oh, I like it. But the output should be reST to be able to include it
 directly in the Python documentation. Sphinx would generate a new table
 of contents with links to each release.

The output of processing reST should be reST?  Now I'm confused.

Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Victor Stinner
Le mercredi 18 mai 2011 à 13:35 +0200, Georg Brandl a écrit :
 On 18.05.2011 13:26, Victor Stinner wrote:
 
  See
  
  http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html
  
  which I made as an experiment a while ago.
  
  Oh, I like it. But the output should be reST to be able to include it
  directly in the Python documentation. Sphinx would generate a new table
  of contents with links to each release.
 
 The output of processing reST should be reST?  Now I'm confused.

Misc/NEWS is already formatted to reST? It doesn't contain any link (to
the issues). We may replace Issue #xxx by :issue:`xxx` (directly in
Misc/NEWS) to simplify the process? And maybe move Misc/NEWS to Doc?

http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html is an HTML document.

Victor

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 18.05.2011 14:06, Victor Stinner wrote:
 Le mercredi 18 mai 2011 à 13:35 +0200, Georg Brandl a écrit :
 On 18.05.2011 13:26, Victor Stinner wrote:
 
  See
  
  http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html
  
  which I made as an experiment a while ago.
  
  Oh, I like it. But the output should be reST to be able to include it
  directly in the Python documentation. Sphinx would generate a new table
  of contents with links to each release.
 
 The output of processing reST should be reST?  Now I'm confused.
 
 Misc/NEWS is already formatted to reST?

Yes, it is.

 It doesn't contain any link (to
 the issues). We may replace Issue #xxx by :issue:`xxx` (directly in
 Misc/NEWS) to simplify the process?

Replacing the issue links is the only preprocessing that I did.

 And maybe move Misc/NEWS to Doc?

I don't think people would like that :)

 http://dev.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/news.html is an HTML document.

As the file name says :)

Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Victor Stinner
victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote:

 Oh, I like it. But the output should be reST to be able to include it
 directly in the Python documentation. Sphinx would generate a new table
 of contents with links to each release.

As Georg noted, Misc/NEWS is already ReST. My proposal was essentially
to add an extra step to the docs build process that invoked the same
commands that Georg used to generate the sample version (with
appropriate additions to Doc/tools as needed to make that work).

The generated NEWS.html file could easily live inside the whatsnew
directory alongside the actual What's New document.

Cheers,
Nick.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Hagen Fürstenau
 On behalf of the Python development team, I am pleased to announce the
 first release candidate of Python 3.2.1.

Shouldn't there be a tag v3.2.1rc1 in the hg repo?

Cheers,
Hagen

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 18.05.2011 20:39, schrieb Hagen Fürstenau:
 On behalf of the Python development team, I am pleased to announce the
 first release candidate of Python 3.2.1.
 
 Shouldn't there be a tag v3.2.1rc1 in the hg repo?

http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.2.1/

Regards,
Martin

P.S. Shouldn't makes it sound as if there was a mistake.
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Hagen Fürstenau
 P.S. Shouldn't makes it sound as if there was a mistake.

Well, I thought there was. When do these tags get merged into cpython
then? v3.2.1b1 is there, but v3.2.1rc1 isn't:

http://hg.python.org/cpython/tags

Cheers,
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 18.05.2011 21:09, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
 Am 18.05.2011 20:39, schrieb Hagen Fürstenau:
 On behalf of the Python development team, I am pleased to announce the
 first release candidate of Python 3.2.1.
 
 Shouldn't there be a tag v3.2.1rc1 in the hg repo?
 
 http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.2.1/
 
 Regards,
 Martin
 
 P.S. Shouldn't makes it sound as if there was a mistake.

To clarify: once the final is done, the repo Martin mentioned will be
merged back to main and then vanish.

Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 18.05.2011 21:37, schrieb Hagen Fürstenau:
 P.S. Shouldn't makes it sound as if there was a mistake.
 
 Well, I thought there was. When do these tags get merged into cpython
 then? 

See PEP 101

Regards,
Martin
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
 On 18.05.2011 21:09, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
 Am 18.05.2011 20:39, schrieb Hagen Fürstenau:
 On behalf of the Python development team, I am pleased to announce the
 first release candidate of Python 3.2.1.

 Shouldn't there be a tag v3.2.1rc1 in the hg repo?

 http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.2.1/

 Regards,
 Martin

 P.S. Shouldn't makes it sound as if there was a mistake.

 To clarify: once the final is done, the repo Martin mentioned will be
 merged back to main and then vanish.

Can't this work be done in the branch of main repo, so that everybody
can track the progress in place? Is there any picture of the process
similar to http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ ?
--
anatoly t.
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Terry Reedy

On 5/18/2011 10:46 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Georg Brandlg.bra...@gmx.net  wrote:

On 18.05.2011 21:09, Martin v. Löwis wrote:



http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.2.1/



To clarify: once the final is done, the repo Martin mentioned will be
merged back to main and then vanish.


Can't this work be done in the branch of main repo, so that everybody
can track the progress in place?


As I understand it, this is a snapshot that George hopes will require No 
work between the candidate and final release and which will get only the 
minimum needed.


--
Terry Jan Reedy


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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
 Can't this work be done in the branch of main repo, so that everybody
 can track the progress in place? Is there any picture of the process
 similar to http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ ?

It *is* a branch of the main repo, so everybody *can* track the progress
(not sure what track in place means).

If you are asking for a named branch: no, that shouldn't be done.

Regards,
Martin
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Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.1 rc 1

2011-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 18.05.2011 21:37, Hagen Fürstenau wrote:
 P.S. Shouldn't makes it sound as if there was a mistake.
 
 Well, I thought there was. When do these tags get merged into cpython
 then? v3.2.1b1 is there, but v3.2.1rc1 isn't:
 
 http://hg.python.org/cpython/tags

3.2.1b1 was already merged back.  (And 3.2.1rc1 will also be merged back
soon, since there will be a 3.2.1rc2.)

Georg

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