Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Fredrik, if you would like to help move this all forward, great; I would appreciate the help. You can write a page scraper to get the data out of SF challenge accepted ;-) http://effbot.python-hosting.com/browser/stuff/sandbox/sourceforge/ contains three basic tools; getindex to grab index information from a python tracker, getpages to get raw xhtml versions of the item pages, and getfiles to get attached files. I'm currently downloading a tracker snapshot that could be useful for testing; it'll take a few more hours before all data are downloaded (provided that SF doesn't ban me, and I don't stumble upon more cases where a certain rhettinger has pasted binary gunk into an iso-8859-1 form ;-). alright, it took my poor computer nearly eight hours to grab all the data, and some tracker items needed special treatment to work around some interesting SF bugs, but I've finally managed to download *all* items available via the SF tracker index, and *all* data files available via the item pages: tracker-105470 (bugs) 6682 items 6682 pages (100%) 1912 files tracker-305470 (patches) 3610 items 3610 pages (100%) 4663 files tracker-355470 (feature requests) 430 items 430 pages (100%) 80 files the complete data set is about 300 megabytes uncompressed, and ~85 megabytes zipped. the scripts are designed to make it easy to update the dataset; adding new items and files only takes a couple of minutes; refreshing the item information may take a few hours. ::: I've also added a basic extract module which parses the XHTML pages and the data files. this module can be used by import scripts, or be used to convert the dataset into other formats (e.g. a single XML file) for further processing. the source code is available via the above link; I'll post the ZIP file some- where tomorrow (drop me a line if you want the URL). /F ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
On 4/2/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fredrik, if you would like to help move this all forward, great; I would appreciate the help. You can write a page scraper to get the data out of SF challenge accepted ;-) Woohoo! http://effbot.python-hosting.com/browser/stuff/sandbox/sourceforge/ contains three basic tools; getindex to grab index information from a python tracker, getpages to get raw xhtml versions of the item pages, and getfiles to get attached files. I'm currently downloading a tracker snapshot that could be useful for testing; it'll take a few more hours before all data are downloaded (provided that SF doesn't ban me, and I don't stumble upon more cases where a certain rhettinger has pasted binary gunk into an iso-8859-1 form ;-). alright, it took my poor computer nearly eight hours to grab all the data, and some tracker items needed special treatment to work around some interesting SF bugs, but I've finally managed to download *all* items available via the SF tracker index, and *all* data files available via the item pages: tracker-105470 (bugs) 6682 items 6682 pages (100%) 1912 files tracker-305470 (patches) 3610 items 3610 pages (100%) 4663 files tracker-355470 (feature requests) 430 items 430 pages (100%) 80 files the complete data set is about 300 megabytes uncompressed, and ~85 megabytes zipped. the scripts are designed to make it easy to update the dataset; adding new items and files only takes a couple of minutes; refreshing the item information may take a few hours. ::: I've also added a basic extract module which parses the XHTML pages and the data files. this module can be used by import scripts, or be used to convert the dataset into other formats (e.g. a single XML file) for further processing. the source code is available via the above link; I'll post the ZIP file some- where tomorrow (drop me a line if you want the URL). Wonderful, Fredrik! Thank you for doing this!When the data is available I will arrange to get it put on python.org somewhere and then start drafting the tracker announcement with where the data is and how to get at it. -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
On 3/30/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: Same here. Please move any more comments about infrastructure to the infrastructure list (http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure/). But do realize the committee is not discussing trackers yet. We are still trying to get our SF data out so that can be imported into a tracker to test its use oh, I forgot that the Procrastination Stop energy Foundation was involved in this. Fredrik, if you would like to help move this all forward, great; I would appreciate the help. You can write a page scraper to get the data out of SF if you don't believe SF will cooperate fast enough for your tastes or I am giving them too long to try to fix things on their end (I don't expect they will fix things fast enough either, but because of school ending soon I don't have time right now to start working on a scraper myself plus I am willing to give them a little time to try to fix the XML export so we can minimize headaches on our end). If you would rather contribute by collecting a list of possible trackers along with who will maintain it, then please do. I am not going to dive into that quite yet, but if you want to parallelize the work needed then I would appreciate the help. The tracker will need to be able to import the SF data somehow (probably will require a custom tool so the volunteers need to be aware of this), be able to export data (so we can back it up on a regular basis so we don't have to go through this again), and an email interface for at least replying to tracker items. A community-wide announcement will probably be needed to get a good group of volunteers together for any one non-commercial tracker. But I am not procrastinating. I don't think I have ever come off as a procrastinator on this list and I don't think I deserve the label. I am not putting more time in now because I am near the end of term here at school and thus passing my courses takes precendent over a new bug tracker. I ended up the chairman at the infrastructure committee during one of my busiest school terms I have ever had. But I will see this through and it will be done in a timely manner. -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Robert Kern wrote: FWIW: Trac has a Sourceforge bug tracker import script: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/browser/trunk/contrib/sourceforge2trac.py Apologies: for the other blank reply. That isn't actually worth that much: somebody would need to operate it, too. Mere existence doesn't help. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Brett Cannon wrote: Same here. Please move any more comments about infrastructure to the infrastructure list (http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure/). But do realize the committee is not discussing trackers yet. We are still trying to get our SF data out so that can be imported into a tracker to test its use oh, I forgot that the Procrastination Stop energy Foundation was involved in this. see you all in 2015. /F ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Brett Cannon wrote: On 3/28/06, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roundup is there now, right (sans SF export)? Richard Jones has an SF importer for one of the two XML-like formats, the one that is correct XML but with incomplete data. The other format, which has complete data but is ill-formed XML, has no importer into roundup at the moment. Trac is being used by the folks doing the new website. What other candidates are being considered? My view is that nothing should be considered unless there is a) a volunteer to operate the tracker (or, failing that, somebody who does it for money), and b) an importer of whatever data SF can provide. And as the chair of the infrastructure committee, those are the base requirements for a tracker to be considered. Once we have the complete SF data I will put out a call for proposals for trackers along with who has volunteered to manage them so that people can band together to help push their favorite tracker. But as of right now the committe just wants to get a clean dump of our SF data to work off of (yes, we could start a tracker from scratch but we want the SF data anyway and so we are going through the hassle of getting it off now and as a test data set for the various trackers). -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/python-python-dev%40m.gmane.org -- Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Guido van Rossum wrote: I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. I'm personally not very much interested in a Py3k tracker; I don't see myself using it. So I'm not interested in a trac-based one, either. Me neither. It's too early. I wasn't really expecting you to start collecting *bug reports* for Py3k at this time; you can use Trac for a lot more than that, if you want (including todo/totry/tothinkabout lists, milestones, pep editing sandboxes, etc). /F ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Brett Cannon wrote: On 3/28/06, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My view is that nothing should be considered unless there is a) a volunteer to operate the tracker (or, failing that, somebody who does it for money), and b) an importer of whatever data SF can provide. And as the chair of the infrastructure committee, those are the base requirements for a tracker to be considered. Once we have the complete SF data I will put out a call for proposals for trackers along with who has volunteered to manage them so that people can band together to help push their favorite tracker. FWIW: Trac has a Sourceforge bug tracker import script: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/browser/trunk/contrib/sourceforge2trac.py Apologies: for the other blank reply. -- Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Anthony Baxter wrote: On Tuesday 28 March 2006 19:35, Giovanni Bajo wrote: Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another option would be Bugzilla, which is proven to be stable, maintained and used succesfully by large open source projects (like GCC+RedHat+Binutils+Classpath). Please god no. No bugzilla, no no no. Please! Care to elaborate? Unbelievably complicated to setup and run. Awful default user interface (how many form fields can you get??) Awful code. Perl. Georg ;) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Wolfgang Langner wrote: what about trac: http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ It is based on python and has a very good svn integration. We started using it recently and so far it's working really well. I love the svn (and wiki!) integration. However, I have no idea how well it scales to a project the size of Python. Just ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
On 3/28/06, Wolfgang Langner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about trac:http://www.edgewall.com/trac/It is based on python and has a very good svn integration.Sorry, I should have realized more than half of python-dev lacked the context in which I made my suggestion. At PyCon and in a few other select groups, there's been talk about swapping SF for 'something else'. (Actually, there's been a lot of talk about that everywhere, but I'm talking about concrete proposals ;) The problem is 'which 'something else''. There is a PSF committee that is charged with proposing and trying out, but it got somewhat stuck at trying to get information from SourceForge. My suggestion is to use the existing, installed, configured roundup installation so we can give it a whirl. Obviously, we will also want to give trac and jira and any other serious alternatives a try. (But Bugzilla and RT have already been veto'd.) -- Thomas Wouters [EMAIL PROTECTED]Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 10:13 +0200, Giovanni Bajo wrote: Another option would be Bugzilla, which is proven to be stable, maintained and used succesfully by large open source projects (like GCC+RedHat+Binutils+Classpath). The infrastructure committee (of which I'm a member but not the chair) is examining the alternatives and trying to put up some live demos for people to check out. Getting the data out of SourceForge has been the sticky issue though, and last I recall, we were waiting for some response from them about export bugs we'd encountered. -Barry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Barry The infrastructure committee (of which I'm a member but not the Barry chair) is examining the alternatives and trying to put up some Barry live demos for people to check out. Roundup is there now, right (sans SF export)? Trac is being used by the folks doing the new website. What other candidates are being considered? Based on my brief experience as a Bugzilla user (just trying to be a good citizen and report Mozilla bugs a few years ago), I would vote -1. I'd hate to think the bug reporting interface was *so* bad that it alone would discourage people from reporting bugs. Still, I gave up reporting Mozilla bugs because of it. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Op di, 28-03-2006 te 09:23 -0600, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Based on my brief experience as a Bugzilla user (just trying to be a good citizen and report Mozilla bugs a few years ago), I would vote -1. I'd hate to think the bug reporting interface was *so* bad that it alone would discourage people from reporting bugs. Still, I gave up reporting Mozilla bugs because of it. GNOME uses a Bugzilla fork that's more user-friendly... (But other people say Bugzilla is also difficult for admins, so that's probably not the only important thing.) -- Jan Claeys ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 28 March 2006 19:13, Giovanni Bajo wrote: Another option would be Bugzilla, which is proven to be stable, maintained and used succesfully by large open source projects (like GCC+RedHat+Binutils+Classpath). Please god no. No bugzilla, no no no. Please! I second the god no. No bugzilla sentiment. - Josiah ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roundup is there now, right (sans SF export)? Richard Jones has an SF importer for one of the two XML-like formats, the one that is correct XML but with incomplete data. The other format, which has complete data but is ill-formed XML, has no importer into roundup at the moment. Trac is being used by the folks doing the new website. What other candidates are being considered? My view is that nothing should be considered unless there is a) a volunteer to operate the tracker (or, failing that, somebody who does it for money), and b) an importer of whatever data SF can provide. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
Martin v. Löwis wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roundup is there now, right (sans SF export)? Richard Jones has an SF importer for one of the two XML-like formats, the one that is correct XML but with incomplete data. The other format, which has complete data but is ill-formed XML, has no importer into roundup at the moment. Trac is being used by the folks doing the new website. What other candidates are being considered? My view is that nothing should be considered unless there is a) a volunteer to operate the tracker (or, failing that, somebody who does it for money), and b) an importer of whatever data SF can provide. There exists a Trac importer for SF data at http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/browser/trunk/contrib/sourceforge2trac.py though I don't know which format it does expect. Generally, I like Trac very much, especially for its interconnected subsystems. I've used it with smaller projects, and there it works perfectly. Having said that, I don't know if the Trac ticket system (which would be the most important subsystem for us) scales up well enough. Of course, if there are only a few bits missing, instead of paying someone to operate a complicated tracker, perhaps the money could be used to pay someone to improve Trac... Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch
On 3/28/06, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roundup is there now, right (sans SF export)? Richard Jones has an SF importer for one of the two XML-like formats, the one that is correct XML but with incomplete data. The other format, which has complete data but is ill-formed XML, has no importer into roundup at the moment. Trac is being used by the folks doing the new website. What other candidates are being considered? My view is that nothing should be considered unless there is a) a volunteer to operate the tracker (or, failing that, somebody who does it for money), and b) an importer of whatever data SF can provide. And as the chair of the infrastructure committee, those are the base requirements for a tracker to be considered. Once we have the complete SF data I will put out a call for proposals for trackers along with who has volunteered to manage them so that people can band together to help push their favorite tracker. But as of right now the committe just wants to get a clean dump of our SF data to work off of (yes, we could start a tracker from scratch but we want the SF data anyway and so we are going through the hassle of getting it off now and as a test data set for the various trackers). -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
