RE: [Python-Dev] MinGW And The other Py2.4 issue

2004-12-14 Thread Delaney, Timothy C (Timothy)
"Martin v. Löwis" wrote:

> Paul Moore wrote:
>> Thanks for your comments. Your support for the viability of building
>> extensions using mingw is important to me, so if you still have any
>> concerns, let me know and I will do my best to address them.
> 
> I understand that one still needs to build libpython24.a in order to
> use this process. As I have said, I'd happily ship that file with the
> 2.4.1 MSI, unless the release manager tells me that this would an
> unacceptable new feature, and as long as somebody provides a fully
> automatic build process integrated into msi.py; for that build
> process, 
> it is ok to assume that a cygwin installation is in c:\cygwin.

I think we should aim to support MSYS as well as Cygwin, but perhaps not for 
the first version where this goes in.

OTOH, is it really necessary to have either MSYS or Cygwin? MinGW32 works 
standalone - distutils should be able to just invoke it.

Tim Delaney
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RE: [Python-Dev] MinGW And The other Py2.4 issue

2004-12-14 Thread Delaney, Timothy C (Timothy)
"Martin v. Löwis" wrote:

> Not at all. I'm talking about the release process, and prerequisites
> required in that process. This is worth mentioning because the list
> of prerequisites you need to perform a Python release is already quite
> long:

Ah - sorry - misinterpreted.

What is the size of the generated libpython24.a? Unfortunately, I don't happen 
to have binutils installed in my work cygwin (pulling it down now, but it's 
very slow ...) so I can't check myself (I've built the 2.3 one at home before 
...).

Tim Delaney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Re: Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-14 Thread Gregory P. Smith
> > we should be able to "sell" Python better than we do now, even without
> > the need to resort to such poor measures. I'm sure the Python
> > community does have good & creative people that can write a good
> > "selling" FAQ for Python, emphasizing the main points of the language.
> 
> No one disagrees that Python needs better marketing material.  At the
> last PyCon a group of people sat down in a pydotorg BoF and agreed
> that yes, we do need a management-friendly marketing site, and that we
> could put it on a separate hostname (something.python.org) so that the
> current www.python.org wouldn't have to be changed.
> 
> However, no one has actually sat down and written such a site, or even
> outlined it.  Let me encourage you to go ahead and do that.  You could
> draft the outline on a Wiki page, and then later figure out an
> attractive design and organization for a new site.

suggested hostname: why.python.org


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Re: [Python-Dev] httplib timeout patch

2004-12-14 Thread "Martin v. LÃwis"
Brett C. wrote:
Here is a patch for httplib. I added a timeout value for 
httplib.HTTPConnection, please check.

Thanks for the patch, but this is the wrong place for it.  Please create 
a new patch item on SourceForge at 
http://sourceforge.net/patch/?group_id=5470 .
In addition, also avoid using plain diffs - use context or unified diffs
instead.
Regards,
Martin
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Re: [Python-Dev] httplib timeout patch

2004-12-14 Thread Brett C.
ZhangYueåå wrote:
Hi,
Here is a patch for httplib. I added a timeout value for 
httplib.HTTPConnection, please check.

Thanks for the patch, but this is the wrong place for it.  Please create a new 
patch item on SourceForge at http://sourceforge.net/patch/?group_id=5470 .

-Brett
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[Python-Dev] httplib timeout patch

2004-12-14 Thread ZhangYueåå
Hi,
Here is a patch for httplib. I added a timeout value for 
httplib.HTTPConnection, please check.

(diff - CVS 1.94)
Zhang Yue
2004-12-14
Index: httplib.py
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/python/python/dist/src/Lib/httplib.py,v
retrieving revision 1.94
diff -r1.94 httplib.py
575c575
< def __init__(self, host, port=None, strict=None):
---
> def __init__(self, host, port=None, strict=None, timeout=None):
580a581
> self.timeout = timeout
613a615,616
> if self.timeout:
> self.sock.settimeout(self.timeout)

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Re: [Python-Dev] MinGW And The other Py2.4 issue

2004-12-14 Thread "Martin v. Löwis"
Paul Moore wrote:
Thanks for your comments. Your support for the viability of building
extensions using mingw is important to me, so if you still have any
concerns, let me know and I will do my best to address them.
I understand that one still needs to build libpython24.a in order to
use this process. As I have said, I'd happily ship that file with the
2.4.1 MSI, unless the release manager tells me that this would an
unacceptable new feature, and as long as somebody provides a fully
automatic build process integrated into msi.py; for that build process,
it is ok to assume that a cygwin installation is in c:\cygwin.
So if this would be useful (which I don't know for sure), I still need
a volunteer to contribute the appropriate magic.
Regards,
Martin
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Re: [Python-Dev] MinGW And The other Py2.4 issue

2004-12-14 Thread "Martin v. Löwis"
Delaney, Timothy C (Timothy) wrote:
it is ok to assume that a cygwin installation is in c:\cygwin.

I think we should aim to support MSYS as well as Cygwin, but perhaps
not for the first version where this goes in.
Not at all. I'm talking about the release process, and prerequisites
required in that process. This is worth mentioning because the list
of prerequisites you need to perform a Python release is already quite
long:
- CVS
- putty (for CVS)
- VC7.1
- current, built versions of all libraries (zlib, bzip2, tcl/tk,
  bsddb, ...)
- Perl (needed to build OpenSSL)
- HTML help workshop
- (the platform SDK)(to build Itanium binaries, if desired)
Now, I would be willing to add Cygwin on top of that - whether the
build process also works with MSYS does not matter to me; I would
not like a build process that *required* MSYS as a matter of
preference.
OTOH, is it really necessary to have either MSYS or Cygwin? MinGW32
works standalone - distutils should be able to just invoke it.
I'm not talking about distutils, here.
Regards,
Martin
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