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On Aug 13, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> I've seen similar behavior in MS VC++ (long ago, dunno what it does
> these days). It would read files with \r\n and \n line endings, and
> whenever you edited a line, that line also got a \r\n ending. But
> unchanged lines that started out with \n-only endings would keep the
> \n only. And there was no way for the end user to see or control this.
>
> To emulate this behavior in Python you'd have to read the file in
> binary mode *or* we'd have to have an additional flag specifying to
> return line endings as encountered in the file. The newlines attribute
> (as defined in 2.x) doesn't help, because it doesn't tell which lines
> used which line ending. I think the newline feature in PEP 3116 falls
> short too; it seems mostly there to override the line ending *written*
> (from the default os.sep).
>
> I think we may need different flags for input and for output.
>
> For input, we'd need two things: (a) which are acceptable line
> endings; (b) whether to translate acceptable line endings to \n or
> not. For output, we need two things again: (c) whether to translate
> line endings at all; (d) which line endings to translate. I guess we
> could map (c) to (b) and (d) to (a) for a signature that's the same
> for input and output (and makes sense for read+write files as well).
> The default would be (a)=={'\n', '\r\n', '\r'} and (b)==True.
I haven't thought about the output side of the equation, but I've
already hit a situation where I'd like to see the input side (b)
option implemented.
I'm still sussing out the email package changes (down to 7F/9E of 247
tests!) but in trying to fix things I found myself wanting to open
files in text mode so that I got strings out of the file instead of
bytes. This was all fine except that some of the tests started
failing because of the EOL translation that happens unconditionally
now. The file contained \r\n and the test was ensuring these EOLs
were preserved in the parsed text. I switched back to opening the
file in binary mode, and doing a crufty conversion of bytes to
strings (which I suspect is error prone but gets me farther along).
It would have been perfect, I think, if I could have opened the file
in text mode so that read() gave me strings, with universal newlines
and preservation of line endings (i.e. no translation to \n).
- -Barry
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