Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Auditing

2010-02-14 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 13.02.2010 13:19, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> Martin v. Löwis  v.loewis.de> writes:
>> 
>> Alterntively, the email notification sent to python-checkins could could
>> report who the pusher was.
> 
> This sounds reasonable, assuming it doesn't disclose any private information.

How could it disclose more than the SVN hook does today (i.e. who is working
on the repo right now)?

Georg

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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Auditing

2010-02-14 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 13.02.2010 18:52, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman:
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 12:53, "Martin v. Löwis"  wrote:
>> Dirkjan: if you agree to such a strategy, please mention that in the PEP.
> 
> Having a pushlog and/or including the pusher in the email sounds like
> a good idea, I'll add something to that effect to the PEP. I slightly
> prefer adding it to the commit email because it would seem to require
> less infrastructure, and it can be handy at times to know who pushed
> something right off the bat.

+1.

Georg

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[Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
What is the point in maintaining archive listed in
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not
searchable?
Recently I needed to find old thread about adding tags to roundup but couldn't.

GMane archive doesn't search -
http://news.gmane.org/navbar.php?group=gmane.comp.python.devel&query=roundup+tags
and Google Group archive is private http://groups.google.com/group/python-dev

How about opening an official read-only Google Group mirror? Then it
will be possible to subscribe to notifications to just interesting
threads.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik :
> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not
> searchable?

It is:

Google "some interesting python thing
site:mail.python.org/mailman/pipermail/python-dev"



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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Auditing

2010-02-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Georg Brandl wrote:
> Am 13.02.2010 13:19, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
>> Martin v. Löwis  v.loewis.de> writes:
>>> Alterntively, the email notification sent to python-checkins could could
>>> report who the pusher was.
>> This sounds reasonable, assuming it doesn't disclose any private information.
> 
> How could it disclose more than the SVN hook does today (i.e. who is working
> on the repo right now)?

It could reveal email addresses, for example, which in turn would
attract spammers. However, I assume that Antoine was bringing up privacy
just as a general concern, and didn't really expect any specific issue.

Regards,
Martin
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Re: [Python-Dev] Search the mail list (was: Google Groups Mirror)

2010-02-14 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 08:31:59PM +0200, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not
> searchable?
> Recently I needed to find old thread about adding tags to roundup but 
> couldn't.

   It is searchable:
http://www.google.com/search?q=python-dev+roundup+tags+site%3Amail.python.org

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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Auditing

2010-02-14 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Martin v. Löwis  v.loewis.de> writes:
> 
> Georg Brandl wrote:
> > Am 13.02.2010 13:19, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> >> Martin v. Löwis  v.loewis.de> writes:
> >>> Alterntively, the email notification sent to python-checkins could 
could
> >>> report who the pusher was.
> >> This sounds reasonable, assuming it doesn't disclose any private 
information.
> > 
> > How could it disclose more than the SVN hook does today (i.e. who is 
working
> > on the repo right now)?
> 
> It could reveal email addresses, for example, which in turn would
> attract spammers. However, I assume that Antoine was bringing up privacy
> just as a general concern, and didn't really expect any specific issue.

That's right. Thanks for de-obfuscating me :)

Regards

Antoine.

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Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1.2

2010-02-14 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:52:23 -0600, Benjamin Peterson a écrit :
> It's about time for another 3.1 bug fix release. I propose this
> schedule:
> 
> March 6: Release Candidate (same day as 2.7a4)
> March 20:  3.1.2 Final release

Looks perfect to me!

Antoine.


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Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Benjamin Peterson  wrote:
> 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik :
>> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not
>> searchable?
>
> It is:
>
> Google "some interesting python thing
> site:mail.python.org/mailman/pipermail/python-dev"

Doesn't work.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:mail.python.org/mailman/pipermail/python-dev+roundup+tags

Seems that mailman in your query is not needed. This search is
definitely not simple to use. How about to add Google search form to
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev ?

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Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik :
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Benjamin Peterson  
> wrote:
>> 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik :
>>> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not
>>> searchable?
>>
>> It is:
>>
>> Google "some interesting python thing
>> site:mail.python.org/mailman/pipermail/python-dev"
>
> Doesn't work.
> http://www.google.com/search?q=site:mail.python.org/mailman/pipermail/python-dev+roundup+tags

But 
http://www.google.com/search?q=roundup+tags+site%3Amail.python.org%2Fpipermail%2Fpython-dev
does.



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Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson  wrote:
> 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik :
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Benjamin Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>> 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik :
 What is the point in maintaining archive listed in
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not
 searchable?
>>>
>>> It is:
>>>
>>> Google "some interesting python thing
>>> site:mail.python.org/mailman/pipermail/python-dev"
>>
>> Doesn't work.
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=site:mail.python.org/mailman/pipermail/python-dev+roundup+tags
>
> But 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=roundup+tags+site%3Amail.python.org%2Fpipermail%2Fpython-dev
> does.

Yep. Just like I said. So, how about to add Google search form to
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev ?

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Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik :
> Yep. Just like I said. So, how about to add Google search form to
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev ?

You'll have to talk to postmas...@python.org about that.



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Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Benjamin Peterson  wrote:
> 2010/2/14 anatoly techtonik :
>> Yep. Just like I said. So, how about to add Google search form to
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev ?
>
> You'll have to talk to postmas...@python.org about that.

Crossposted. And what about per-thread subscription that comes with
Google Groups? I do not need it, because I am subscribed, but if that
could be possible - I'd unsubscribe to read it from web receiving
notification only about interesting topics.

Who owns http://groups.google.com/group/python-dev ?
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Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread Martin Geisler
anatoly techtonik  writes:

> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not
> searchable?
> Recently I needed to find old thread about adding tags to roundup but 
> couldn't.
>
> GMane archive doesn't search -
> http://news.gmane.org/navbar.php?group=gmane.comp.python.devel&query=roundup+tags

This is where your search should go:

  http://search.gmane.org/?query=roundup+tags&group=gmane.comp.python.devel

I got the page when searching from

  http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel

I don't know why the search box at the bottom of

  http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel

fails...

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Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups Mirror

2010-02-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:31 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

> What is the point in maintaining archive listed in
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev if it is not
> searchable?
> Recently I needed to find old thread about adding tags to roundup but 
> couldn't.
> 
> GMane archive doesn't search -
> http://news.gmane.org/navbar.php?group=gmane.comp.python.devel&query=roundup+tags
> and Google Group archive is private http://groups.google.com/group/python-dev
> 
> How about opening an official read-only Google Group mirror? Then it
> will be possible to subscribe to notifications to just interesting
> threads.

Try mail-archive.com, it's searchable.

http://www.mail-archive.com/python-dev@python.org/

-Barry

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[Python-Dev] Tracker outage

2010-02-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Starting around 14:00 UTC today, we will take the trackers at
bugs.python.org, bugs.jython.org, and psf.upfronthosting.co.za offline
for a system upgrade. The outage should not last longer than four hours
(probably much shorter).

Regards,
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