[Python-Dev] Re: extern "C" { ... } in Include/cpython/*.h

2020-01-28 Thread Petr Viktorin 

On 2020-01-27 21:42, Skip Montanaro wrote:

(Apologies. Not sure where to ask this, and I'm not much of a C++
programmer. Maybe I should have just added a comment to the still-open
issue.)

I just noticed that Nick migrated the guts of Include/frameobject.h to
include/cpython/frameobject.h. It's not clear to me that the latter
should be #include'd directly from anywhere other than
Include/frameobject.h. If that's the case, does the extern "C" stuff
still need to be replicated in the lower level file? Won't the scope
of the extern "C" block in Include/frameobject.h be active at the
lower level?

Whatever the correct answer is, I suspect the same constraints should
apply to all Include/cpython/*.h files.


You're correct:
- The #ifndef/#error make a clear point that a include/cpython/*.h file 
is only to be included as part of its include/*.h
- The inner extern "C" block overrides the outer one. If they're the 
same, it's useless.


But I'd call it a minor issue – a style issue, even. Probably not worth 
worrying about.

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[Python-Dev] Re: Last call for comments on PEP 573 (Module State Access from C Extension Methods)

2020-01-28 Thread Petr Viktorin 

On 2019-11-25 13:15, Stefan Behnel wrote:

Hi all,

I think that PEP 573 is ready to be accepted, to greatly improve the state
of extension modules in CPython 3.9.

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0573/

It has come a long way since the original proposal and went through several
iterations and discussions by various interested people, effectively
reducing its scope quite a bit. So this is the last call for comments on
the latest version of the PEP, before I will pronounce on it. Please keep
the discussion in this thread.


Hi everyone,
There was another round of changes, reducing the scope even more.

Are there any further comments on the PEP?
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[Python-Dev] Typo in Link

2020-01-28 Thread onlinejudge95 
Hi team,

First of all is it a right place to ask this question? If not i would love
to redirect and apologise for any inconvenience.

While i was going through the wiki.python.org links, i saw that the urls(
https://wiki.python.org/moin) contains *moin*, is it expected?

Thanks,
onlinejudge95
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[Python-Dev] Python library for the ServiceNow REST API

2020-01-28 Thread IT Canvass 
It should be compatible with modern versions of ServiceNow.

If there's API breakage or new features implemented, I usually have that 
fixed/incorporated into pysnow in a week or two.

https://itcanvass.com/";> servicenow training
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[Python-Dev] Merge bugs.python.org accounts

2020-01-28 Thread Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev 

Who should I contact on subj? BPO UI doesn't have any contact information.

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[Python-Dev] Re: Python library for the ServiceNow REST API

2020-01-28 Thread Rhodri James 

On 28/01/2020 10:47, IT Canvass wrote:

It should be compatible with modern versions of ServiceNow.

If there's API breakage or new features implemented, I usually have that 
fixed/incorporated into pysnow in a week or two.


Hi there,

python-dev is the mailing list for development of core Python and the 
Standard Library.  The ServiceNow package is provided on PyPI rather 
than being part of the standard library.  You will probably be better 
off addressing your request to the project's GitHub page: 
https://github.com/locaweb.python-servicenow.


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[Python-Dev] Re: Python library for the ServiceNow REST API

2020-01-28 Thread Guido van Rossum 
Honestly that looked like a spammer. Note that at the bottom they wrote

  servicenow training

A typical strategy for such spammers is to send a message to a popular
mailing list with some text that looks vaguely related (to the spammer, who
is usually not well versed in the subject of the list) and add some link
that they want to promote (presumably a hacked or scam site).

The list moderator ought to ban the user.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:50 AM Rhodri James  wrote:

> On 28/01/2020 10:47, IT Canvass wrote:
> > It should be compatible with modern versions of ServiceNow.
> >
> > If there's API breakage or new features implemented, I usually have that
> fixed/incorporated into pysnow in a week or two.
>
> Hi there,
>
> python-dev is the mailing list for development of core Python and the
> Standard Library.  The ServiceNow package is provided on PyPI rather
> than being part of the standard library.  You will probably be better
> off addressing your request to the project's GitHub page:
> https://github.com/locaweb.python-servicenow.
>
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[Python-Dev] Re: Python library for the ServiceNow REST API

2020-01-28 Thread Tim Peters 
[Guido]
> Honestly that looked like a spammer.

I approved the message, and it looked like "probably spam" to me too.
But it may have just been a low-quality message, and the new moderator
UI still doesn't support adding custom text to a rejection message.
Under the old system, I _would_ have rejected it, but added a message
explaining why.

As I've said before, I give broad benefit-of-the-doubt to marginal
messages, and for that reason alone some spam is certain to get
approved from time to time.

A vast majority of spam directed to this list does get discarded,
because there's usually no plausible doubt at all.  I don't believe a
legitimate message has ever been rejected, and _that's_ more important
to me.

> Note that at the bottom they wrote
>
>   servicenow training
>
> A typical strategy for such spammers is to send a message to a popular
> mailing list with some text that looks vaguely related (to the spammer,
> who is usually not well versed in the subject of the list) and add some
> link that they want to promote (presumably a hacked or scam site).

I went to the site first, and my up-to-date Malwarebytes installation
(both the full commercial product and the browser extension) found
nothing to complain about except that the page linked to one ad
network (common as mud).  It got a cleaner report from that than
_most_ sites I visit from day to day.  For example, Malwarebytes also
points out that www.python.org links to one "ad network or tracker"
(ssl.google-analytics.com).


> The list moderator ought to ban the user.

I will not, but fine by me if some other python-dev moderator does.
That poster is still subject to moderation.
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[Python-Dev] Re: Request to postpone some Python 3.9 incompatible changes to Python 3.10

2020-01-28 Thread Matthias Bussonnier 
Is it possible to change some of those deprecation from Warn-by-default (but 
can add a warning filter to make them error) to error-by-default (but can add a 
filter to make them only warnings). 

That way it is easy to fix large projects (even w/o modifying the source) in 
only a couple of lines of codes; and they buy themselves a year or so and 
remove in 3.10. 

That way you have a more gradual transition; and a clear signal to project with 
a last chance to fix issues.
And that way can't complained they did not know as they have to opt-in.
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[Python-Dev] Re: Request to postpone some Python 3.9 incompatible changes to Python 3.10

2020-01-28 Thread Matthias Bussonnier 
Is it possible to change some of those deprecation from Warn-by-default (but 
can add a warning filter to make them error) to error-by-default (but can add a 
filter to make them only warnings). 

That way it is easy to fix large projects (even w/o modifying the source) in 
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[Python-Dev] Re: Merge bugs.python.org accounts

2020-01-28 Thread Victor Stinner 
You may open a ticket at
https://github.com/python/bugs.python.org/issues but I'm not sure who
is in charge of bugs.python.org, nor how to merge two accounts.

Victor

Le mar. 28 janv. 2020 à 17:21, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
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> Who should I contact on subj? BPO UI doesn't have any contact information.
>
> --
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[Python-Dev] Re: Request to postpone some Python 3.9 incompatible changes to Python 3.10

2020-01-28 Thread Brett Cannon 
Matthias Bussonnier wrote:
> Is it possible to change some of those deprecation from Warn-by-default (but 
> can add a
> warning filter to make them error) to error-by-default (but can add a filter 
> to make them
> only warnings).

Yes, although it would be a change to how Python functions. Basically we would 
need a default warnings filter with either a very specific regex or a new 
warnings subclass which made silencing warning more opt-out instead of opt-in.

But considering the vast amount of discussions we have had about when to even 
turn on warnings I don't know if this idea will get traction.

-Brett

> That way it is easy to fix large projects (even w/o modifying the source) in 
> only a
> couple of lines of codes; and they buy themselves a year or so and remove in 
> 3.10.
> That way you have a more gradual transition; and a clear signal to project 
> with a last
> chance to fix issues.
> And that way can't complained they did not know as they have to opt-in.
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[Python-Dev] Re: Merge bugs.python.org accounts

2020-01-28 Thread Brett Cannon 
Victor Stinner wrote:
> You may open a ticket at
> https://github.com/python/bugs.python.org/issues
> but I'm not sure who
> is in charge of bugs.python.org, nor how to merge two accounts.

Or if it's even doable short of direct database manipulation; I'm not aware of 
Roundup providing such functionality.

-Brett

> Victor
> Le mar. 28 janv. 2020 à 17:21, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
> [email protected] a écrit :
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> > Who should I contact on subj? BPO UI doesn't have any
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> > --
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> > Ivan
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[Python-Dev] Re: Typo in Link

2020-01-28 Thread Terry Reedy 

On 1/28/2020 8:21 AM, onlinejudge95 wrote:

While i was going through the wiki.python.org 
 links, i saw that the 
urls(https://wiki.python.org/moin) contains *moin*, is it expected?


Except for the entry url, '/moin' is required.
https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide works.
https://wiki.python.org/BeginnersGuide is 'Not Found'.

I believe that this is a historical artifact.

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[Python-Dev] Re: Typo in Link

2020-01-28 Thread Steve Holden 
Really [email protected] would have been more appropriate, but I've
already copied that address on my direct reply to you. The python-dev list
is for discussions about the development of the language and its CPython
implementation.

Kind regards,
Steve


On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:20 PM Steve Holden  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> I believe you will find that wiki.python.org redirects to
> wiki.python.org/moin/. While https://wiki.python.org/moin/SteveHolden
>  exists, https://wiki.python.org/SteveHolden does not. It would therefore
> appear the links should include the "/moin".
>
> Kind regards,
> Steve
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM onlinejudge95 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi team,
>>
>> First of all is it a right place to ask this question? If not i would
>> love to redirect and apologise for any inconvenience.
>>
>> While i was going through the wiki.python.org links, i saw that the urls(
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin) contains *moin*, is it expected?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> onlinejudge95
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[Python-Dev] Re: Typo (moin) in Wiki Link

2020-01-28 Thread Oleg Broytman 
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 02:17:15PM -0500, Terry Reedy  wrote:
> On 1/28/2020 8:21 AM, onlinejudge95 wrote:
> 
> > While i was going through the wiki.python.org
> >  links, i saw that the
> > urls(https://wiki.python.org/moin) contains *moin*, is it expected?
> 
> Except for the entry url, '/moin' is required.
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide works.
> https://wiki.python.org/BeginnersGuide is 'Not Found'.
> 
> I believe that this is a historical artifact.

   It's not. It's there to distinguish different sub-sites. I remember
https://wiki.python.org/jython .

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[Python-Dev] Question: how to extend standard Python library to add new functionalities?

2020-01-28 Thread daniel . wangksu 
Hi all,

I want to add openssl engine in Python SSL library. I know that if the new 
functions can be added in Python we can inherit existing class (such as ssl). 
However, It seems the SSL module extends _SSL module which is written in C. I'm 
not sure how can I extend SSL module in this situation. Any help would be 
deeply appreciated!
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[Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon 2020

2020-01-28 Thread Mariatta 
(cross posting to python-committers and python-dev)

I'm happy to announce that the signups for Python Language Summit at PyCon
2020 is now open.

Full details at: https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/languagesummit/

*TL;DR*

When: Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 9am–4pm (Note, we’re starting 1 hour
earlier than usual!)
Where: David L. Lawrence Convention Center, Pittsburgh, PA, room TBD

Sign up to attend: https://forms.gle/Fg7ayhYTaY75J1r7A (closes Feb 29th,
2020 AoE)
Sign up to discuss a topic: https://forms.gle/g4BXezH1Vcn7tLds5 (closes Feb
29th, 2020 AoE)

*Who can attend*

We welcome Python core developers, active core contributors to Python and
alternative Python implementations, and anyone else who has a topic to
discuss with core developers.

*Who can propose a discussion topic*

If you have discussion items; seeking consensus; awaiting decision on a
PEP; needing help with your core dev work; or have specific questions that
need answers from core developers, please submit a proposal. According to
last year’s feedback, our audience prefer more discussions and shorter
talks.

To get an idea of past language summits, you can read past years' coverage:
2019:
http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-2019-python-language-summit.html
2018: https://lwn.net/Articles/754152/
2017: https://lwn.net/Articles/723251/

This year's event will be covered by A. Jesse Jiryu Davis again, and will
be posted on PSF's blog.


Some changes to note this year:
1) We plan to start 1 hour earlier (9AM)
2) The room will have U-shaped table layout

Thanks!


Mariatta & Łukasz
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[Python-Dev] Re: Python Language Summit at PyCon 2020

2020-01-28 Thread Kyle Stanley 
On the attendance application, there is currently an incorrect link to the
informational page for the Language Summit: "
https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/language-summit/";.

Either the link could be changed to "
https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/languagesummit/"; or "
https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/language-summit/"; could be configured to
redirect towards the correct page.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:17 PM Mariatta  wrote:

> (cross posting to python-committers and python-dev)
>
> I'm happy to announce that the signups for Python Language Summit at PyCon
> 2020 is now open.
>
> Full details at: https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/languagesummit/
>
> *TL;DR*
>
> When: Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 9am–4pm (Note, we’re starting 1 hour
> earlier than usual!)
> Where: David L. Lawrence Convention Center, Pittsburgh, PA, room TBD
>
> Sign up to attend: https://forms.gle/Fg7ayhYTaY75J1r7A (closes Feb 29th,
> 2020 AoE)
> Sign up to discuss a topic: https://forms.gle/g4BXezH1Vcn7tLds5 (closes
> Feb 29th, 2020 AoE)
>
> *Who can attend*
>
> We welcome Python core developers, active core contributors to Python and
> alternative Python implementations, and anyone else who has a topic to
> discuss with core developers.
>
> *Who can propose a discussion topic*
>
> If you have discussion items; seeking consensus; awaiting decision on a
> PEP; needing help with your core dev work; or have specific questions that
> need answers from core developers, please submit a proposal. According to
> last year’s feedback, our audience prefer more discussions and shorter
> talks.
>
> To get an idea of past language summits, you can read past years' coverage:
> 2019:
> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-2019-python-language-summit.html
> 2018: https://lwn.net/Articles/754152/
> 2017: https://lwn.net/Articles/723251/
>
> This year's event will be covered by A. Jesse Jiryu Davis again, and will
> be posted on PSF's blog.
> 
>
> Some changes to note this year:
> 1) We plan to start 1 hour earlier (9AM)
> 2) The room will have U-shaped table layout
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Mariatta & Łukasz
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[Python-Dev] Re: Python Language Summit at PyCon 2020

2020-01-28 Thread Mariatta 
Thank you! Yes the right url is:
https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/languagesummit/

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:32 PM Kyle Stanley  wrote:

> On the attendance application, there is currently an incorrect link to the
> informational page for the Language Summit: "
> https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/language-summit/";.
>
> Either the link could be changed to "
> https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/languagesummit/"; or "
> https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/language-summit/"; could be configured to
> redirect towards the correct page.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:17 PM Mariatta  wrote:
>
>> (cross posting to python-committers and python-dev)
>>
>> I'm happy to announce that the signups for Python Language Summit at
>> PyCon 2020 is now open.
>>
>> Full details at: https://us.pycon.org/2020/events/languagesummit/
>>
>> *TL;DR*
>>
>> When: Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 9am–4pm (Note, we’re starting 1 hour
>> earlier than usual!)
>> Where: David L. Lawrence Convention Center, Pittsburgh, PA, room TBD
>>
>> Sign up to attend: https://forms.gle/Fg7ayhYTaY75J1r7A (closes Feb 29th,
>> 2020 AoE)
>> Sign up to discuss a topic: https://forms.gle/g4BXezH1Vcn7tLds5 (closes
>> Feb 29th, 2020 AoE)
>>
>> *Who can attend*
>>
>> We welcome Python core developers, active core contributors to Python and
>> alternative Python implementations, and anyone else who has a topic to
>> discuss with core developers.
>>
>> *Who can propose a discussion topic*
>>
>> If you have discussion items; seeking consensus; awaiting decision on a
>> PEP; needing help with your core dev work; or have specific questions that
>> need answers from core developers, please submit a proposal. According to
>> last year’s feedback, our audience prefer more discussions and shorter
>> talks.
>>
>> To get an idea of past language summits, you can read past years'
>> coverage:
>> 2019:
>> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-2019-python-language-summit.html
>> 2018: https://lwn.net/Articles/754152/
>> 2017: https://lwn.net/Articles/723251/
>>
>> This year's event will be covered by A. Jesse Jiryu Davis again, and will
>> be posted on PSF's blog.
>> 
>>
>> Some changes to note this year:
>> 1) We plan to start 1 hour earlier (9AM)
>> 2) The room will have U-shaped table layout
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Mariatta & Łukasz
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[Python-Dev] Question: how to extend standard Python library to add new functionalities?

2020-01-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
Daniel,

Your question seems to be a request for help in writing the
extension.  This list is for discussion and improvement of proposed
implementations.  For help in writing the code, the
python-corementorship list is a better venue.

If your question is for help in designing the extension, and deciding
whether to add it to Python's standard library, the python-ideas list
is a better venue.

Happy hacking!

[email protected] writes:
 > Hi all,
 > 
 > I want to add openssl engine in Python SSL library. I know that if the new 
 > functions can be added in Python we can inherit existing class (such as 
 > ssl). However, It seems the SSL module extends _SSL module which is written 
 > in C. I'm not sure how can I extend SSL module in this situation. Any help 
 > would be deeply appreciated!
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