[Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-01 Thread Gerald Wiltse
I looked through all the windows builders here and could not find any
which generate this package, can anyone tell me where the work happens?  I
also tried searching looking for scripts and CI files which create the
package in all the relevant repos and could not find those either.

Is this information not public?
Is it a manual build?

Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com
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Re: [Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-01 Thread Gerald Wiltse
That does help, thanks so much for the fast response!  I now see how it's
executed on Azure pipelines also, so that should be enough for me to
reverse engineer the rest.

Followup questions if you have time:
1. It seems that directory doesn't exist in the 3.6 branches/tags, so it
must have been done a different way back then.  Do you think it's
back-portable to 3.6?
2. One of our objectives is to effectively create a nearly identical
embeddable package for linux. Do you think the layout code is generic
enough to be modified to create a linux equivalent?

Obviously, there are many alternative methods and documents for creating
"embeddable" pythons on linux, but the windows package has all the
characteristics we want, and of course we'd like our Windows and Linux
process build and packaging processes to be as similar as possible, so it
seems attractive to try to port this layout script to linux.


Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com



On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:22 PM Steve Dower  wrote:

> On 01May2019 1109, Gerald Wiltse wrote:
> > I looked through all the windows builders here and could not find any
> > which generate this package, can anyone tell me where the work happens?
> > I also tried searching looking for scripts and CI files which create the
> > package in all the relevant repos and could not find those either.
> >
> > Is this information not public?
>
> It's just not obviously documented (yet). We use the "PC/layout" script
> (run as "python PC/layout -h" to get arguments). You'll want at least
> --preset-embed and either --copy or --zip to specify where the layout is
> created.
>
> > Is it a manual build?
>
> It's semi-automated, but it's only triggered for releases and so it's
> not part of the normal CI configuration.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Steve
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-01 Thread Gerald Wiltse
Yes, I'll help with this, and I try to get signed up with an account for
the issue tracker ASAP.

I've just started trying to build create the embeddable package for windows
locally (all from source).  Once I have that automated, I'll take a naive
stab at the Linux layout.  I'm sure i'll soon hit the additional
complications you're talking about and come back to you with questions.

Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com



On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 1:57 PM Steve Dower  wrote:

> On 01May2019 1305, Gerald Wiltse wrote:
> > That does help, thanks so much for the fast response!  I now see how
> > it's executed on Azure pipelines also, so that should be enough for me
> > to reverse engineer the rest.
> >
> > Followup questions if you have time:
> > 1. It seems that directory doesn't exist in the 3.6 branches/tags, so it
> > must have been done a different way back then.  Do you think it's
> > back-portable to 3.6?
>
> Yep, it should work with 3.6. There were scripts under Tools/msi back
> then that did the same thing, but with the Store app I rewrote it to be
> more flexible.
>
> > 2. One of our objectives is to effectively create a nearly identical
> > embeddable package for linux. Do you think the layout code is generic
> > enough to be modified to create a linux equivalent?
>
> Probably not, it's under the "PC" directory because it is entirely
> CPython specific.
>
> I'd love to be able to have a similar embeddable distro for Linux (and
> macOS), and I'll be investing some of my time in working towards this,
> but it's far more complicated than simply laying out the right files. If
> you're interested in helping with this, then we're in the right place to
> discuss it, but we'll likely have to move to the issue tracker at some
> point once we figure out who else wants/needs to be involved.
>
> > Obviously, there are many alternative methods and documents for creating
> > "embeddable" pythons on linux, but the windows package has all the
> > characteristics we want, and of course we'd like our Windows and Linux
> > process build and packaging processes to be as similar as possible, so
> > it seems attractive to try to port this layout script to linux.
>
> "make install" already does the same thing, but the install location
> matters at build time, so it's a little more complex to make it work as
> an embedded runtime. I'm sure there are people who know how to make it
> work though.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-02 Thread Gerald Wiltse
Just an update based on testing.  If I zip the modules up into python36.zip
(whether in .py or .pyc form) the linux binary does not find them.  If I
copy them into the embedded root, alongside the python executable, it finds
them as expected.

This just makes it seem more like an issue where Linux binary does not
respect .zip file as a source of modules.

Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com



On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:56 PM Gerald Wiltse  wrote:

> With minimal patching of tools/msi/make_zip.py, I was able to create an
> equivalent zip package on Linux.  It doesn't work out of the box of
> course.  I had to do two commands
>
> My biggest concern is that even if the layout is "correct" on linux, the
> python runtime might not actually support being run like this on Linux.
> Perhaps the code for using python36.zip as a landmark and source of modules
> is only implemented on Windows.  Do you know if that is the case?
>
> tmp$ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd)
> tmp$ export PYTHONHOME=$(pwd)
> tmp$ export PYTHONPATH=$(pwd)
> tmp$ ./python
> Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'encodings'
>
> Current thread 0x7fdde9eb1680 (most recent call first):
> Aborted (core dumped)
>
> Here's the full directory structure, error, and patch I created. Any
> additional feedback would be great.
>
> https://gist.github.com/solvingj/87305e0f70e14d738d6989ba2f41352f
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:24 AM Gerald Wiltse 
> wrote:
>
>> I've successfully automated the build of the embedded zip on Windows for
>> 3.6 on my internal CI using tools/msi script.
>>
>> Moving onto linux, can you please summarize the primary
>> challenges/differences for creating the embeddable zip for linux?
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM Gerald Wiltse 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I'll help with this, and I try to get signed up with an account for
>>> the issue tracker ASAP.
>>>
>>> I've just started trying to build create the embeddable package for
>>> windows locally (all from source).  Once I have that automated, I'll take a
>>> naive stab at the Linux layout.  I'm sure i'll soon hit the additional
>>> complications you're talking about and come back to you with questions.
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 1:57 PM Steve Dower 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01May2019 1305, Gerald Wiltse wrote:
>>>> > That does help, thanks so much for the fast response!  I now see how
>>>> > it's executed on Azure pipelines also, so that should be enough for
>>>> me
>>>> > to reverse engineer the rest.
>>>> >
>>>> > Followup questions if you have time:
>>>> > 1. It seems that directory doesn't exist in the 3.6 branches/tags, so
>>>> it
>>>> > must have been done a different way back then.  Do you think it's
>>>> > back-portable to 3.6?
>>>>
>>>> Yep, it should work with 3.6. There were scripts under Tools/msi back
>>>> then that did the same thing, but with the Store app I rewrote it to be
>>>> more flexible.
>>>>
>>>> > 2. One of our objectives is to effectively create a nearly identical
>>>> > embeddable package for linux. Do you think the layout code is generic
>>>> > enough to be modified to create a linux equivalent?
>>>>
>>>> Probably not, it's under the "PC" directory because it is entirely
>>>> CPython specific.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to be able to have a similar embeddable distro for Linux (and
>>>> macOS), and I'll be investing some of my time in working towards this,
>>>> but it's far more complicated than simply laying out the right files.
>>>> If
>>>> you're interested in helping with this, then we're in the right place
>>>> to
>>>> discuss it, but we'll likely have to move to the issue tracker at some
>>>> point once we figure out who else wants/needs to be involved.
>>>>
>>>> > Obviously, there are many alternative methods and documents for
>>>> creating
>>>> > "embeddable" pythons on linux, but the windows package has all the
>>>> > characteristics we want, and of course we'd like our Windows and
>>>> Linux
>>>> > process build and packaging processes to be as similar as possible,
>>>> so
>>>> > it seems attractive to try to port this layout script to linux.
>>>>
>>>> "make install" already does the same thing, but the install location
>>>> matters at build time, so it's a little more complex to make it work as
>>>> an embedded runtime. I'm sure there are people who know how to make it
>>>> work though.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-02 Thread Gerald Wiltse
With minimal patching of tools/msi/make_zip.py, I was able to create an
equivalent zip package on Linux.  It doesn't work out of the box of
course.  I had to do two commands

My biggest concern is that even if the layout is "correct" on linux, the
python runtime might not actually support being run like this on Linux.
Perhaps the code for using python36.zip as a landmark and source of modules
is only implemented on Windows.  Do you know if that is the case?

tmp$ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd)
tmp$ export PYTHONHOME=$(pwd)
tmp$ export PYTHONPATH=$(pwd)
tmp$ ./python
Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'encodings'

Current thread 0x7fdde9eb1680 (most recent call first):
Aborted (core dumped)

Here's the full directory structure, error, and patch I created. Any
additional feedback would be great.

https://gist.github.com/solvingj/87305e0f70e14d738d6989ba2f41352f

Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com



On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:24 AM Gerald Wiltse  wrote:

> I've successfully automated the build of the embedded zip on Windows for
> 3.6 on my internal CI using tools/msi script.
>
> Moving onto linux, can you please summarize the primary
> challenges/differences for creating the embeddable zip for linux?
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM Gerald Wiltse 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'll help with this, and I try to get signed up with an account for
>> the issue tracker ASAP.
>>
>> I've just started trying to build create the embeddable package for
>> windows locally (all from source).  Once I have that automated, I'll take a
>> naive stab at the Linux layout.  I'm sure i'll soon hit the additional
>> complications you're talking about and come back to you with questions.
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 1:57 PM Steve Dower 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01May2019 1305, Gerald Wiltse wrote:
>>> > That does help, thanks so much for the fast response!  I now see how
>>> > it's executed on Azure pipelines also, so that should be enough for me
>>> > to reverse engineer the rest.
>>> >
>>> > Followup questions if you have time:
>>> > 1. It seems that directory doesn't exist in the 3.6 branches/tags, so
>>> it
>>> > must have been done a different way back then.  Do you think it's
>>> > back-portable to 3.6?
>>>
>>> Yep, it should work with 3.6. There were scripts under Tools/msi back
>>> then that did the same thing, but with the Store app I rewrote it to be
>>> more flexible.
>>>
>>> > 2. One of our objectives is to effectively create a nearly identical
>>> > embeddable package for linux. Do you think the layout code is generic
>>> > enough to be modified to create a linux equivalent?
>>>
>>> Probably not, it's under the "PC" directory because it is entirely
>>> CPython specific.
>>>
>>> I'd love to be able to have a similar embeddable distro for Linux (and
>>> macOS), and I'll be investing some of my time in working towards this,
>>> but it's far more complicated than simply laying out the right files. If
>>> you're interested in helping with this, then we're in the right place to
>>> discuss it, but we'll likely have to move to the issue tracker at some
>>> point once we figure out who else wants/needs to be involved.
>>>
>>> > Obviously, there are many alternative methods and documents for
>>> creating
>>> > "embeddable" pythons on linux, but the windows package has all the
>>> > characteristics we want, and of course we'd like our Windows and Linux
>>> > process build and packaging processes to be as similar as possible, so
>>> > it seems attractive to try to port this layout script to linux.
>>>
>>> "make install" already does the same thing, but the install location
>>> matters at build time, so it's a little more complex to make it work as
>>> an embedded runtime. I'm sure there are people who know how to make it
>>> work though.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steve
>>>
>>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-02 Thread Gerald Wiltse
I've successfully automated the build of the embedded zip on Windows for
3.6 on my internal CI using tools/msi script.

Moving onto linux, can you please summarize the primary
challenges/differences for creating the embeddable zip for linux?

Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com



On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM Gerald Wiltse  wrote:

> Yes, I'll help with this, and I try to get signed up with an account for
> the issue tracker ASAP.
>
> I've just started trying to build create the embeddable package for
> windows locally (all from source).  Once I have that automated, I'll take a
> naive stab at the Linux layout.  I'm sure i'll soon hit the additional
> complications you're talking about and come back to you with questions.
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 1:57 PM Steve Dower  wrote:
>
>> On 01May2019 1305, Gerald Wiltse wrote:
>> > That does help, thanks so much for the fast response!  I now see how
>> > it's executed on Azure pipelines also, so that should be enough for me
>> > to reverse engineer the rest.
>> >
>> > Followup questions if you have time:
>> > 1. It seems that directory doesn't exist in the 3.6 branches/tags, so
>> it
>> > must have been done a different way back then.  Do you think it's
>> > back-portable to 3.6?
>>
>> Yep, it should work with 3.6. There were scripts under Tools/msi back
>> then that did the same thing, but with the Store app I rewrote it to be
>> more flexible.
>>
>> > 2. One of our objectives is to effectively create a nearly identical
>> > embeddable package for linux. Do you think the layout code is generic
>> > enough to be modified to create a linux equivalent?
>>
>> Probably not, it's under the "PC" directory because it is entirely
>> CPython specific.
>>
>> I'd love to be able to have a similar embeddable distro for Linux (and
>> macOS), and I'll be investing some of my time in working towards this,
>> but it's far more complicated than simply laying out the right files. If
>> you're interested in helping with this, then we're in the right place to
>> discuss it, but we'll likely have to move to the issue tracker at some
>> point once we figure out who else wants/needs to be involved.
>>
>> > Obviously, there are many alternative methods and documents for
>> creating
>> > "embeddable" pythons on linux, but the windows package has all the
>> > characteristics we want, and of course we'd like our Windows and Linux
>> > process build and packaging processes to be as similar as possible, so
>> > it seems attractive to try to port this layout script to linux.
>>
>> "make install" already does the same thing, but the install location
>> matters at build time, so it's a little more complex to make it work as
>> an embedded runtime. I'm sure there are people who know how to make it
>> work though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve
>>
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-03 Thread Gerald Wiltse
Ok, disregard previous message.  I fixed the PYTHONPATH in my command
and the .pyc files and .  I also saw that python36._pth is specifically
only supported by windows.

Now i'm moved on to the following error:

zipimport.ZipImportError: can't decompress data; zlib not available

I'm on Ubuntu.  I've definitely got zlib1g-dev package installed, and I've
recompiled a number of times trying to get it to work.  I've tried Ubuntu
16 and 18.

Is this just a limitation on linux?

Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com



On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 4:29 PM Gerald Wiltse  wrote:

> Just an update based on testing.  If I zip the modules up into
> python36.zip (whether in .py or .pyc form) the linux binary does not find
> them.  If I copy them into the embedded root, alongside the python
> executable, it finds them as expected.
>
> This just makes it seem more like an issue where Linux binary does not
> respect .zip file as a source of modules.
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:56 PM Gerald Wiltse 
> wrote:
>
>> With minimal patching of tools/msi/make_zip.py, I was able to create an
>> equivalent zip package on Linux.  It doesn't work out of the box of
>> course.  I had to do two commands
>>
>> My biggest concern is that even if the layout is "correct" on linux, the
>> python runtime might not actually support being run like this on Linux.
>> Perhaps the code for using python36.zip as a landmark and source of modules
>> is only implemented on Windows.  Do you know if that is the case?
>>
>> tmp$ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd)
>> tmp$ export PYTHONHOME=$(pwd)
>> tmp$ export PYTHONPATH=$(pwd)
>> tmp$ ./python
>> Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
>> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'encodings'
>>
>> Current thread 0x7fdde9eb1680 (most recent call first):
>> Aborted (core dumped)
>>
>> Here's the full directory structure, error, and patch I created. Any
>> additional feedback would be great.
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/solvingj/87305e0f70e14d738d6989ba2f41352f
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:24 AM Gerald Wiltse 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've successfully automated the build of the embedded zip on Windows for
>>> 3.6 on my internal CI using tools/msi script.
>>>
>>> Moving onto linux, can you please summarize the primary
>>> challenges/differences for creating the embeddable zip for linux?
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM Gerald Wiltse 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I'll help with this, and I try to get signed up with an account
>>>> for the issue tracker ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> I've just started trying to build create the embeddable package for
>>>> windows locally (all from source).  Once I have that automated, I'll take a
>>>> naive stab at the Linux layout.  I'm sure i'll soon hit the additional
>>>> complications you're talking about and come back to you with questions.
>>>>
>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 1:57 PM Steve Dower 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01May2019 1305, Gerald Wiltse wrote:
>>>>> > That does help, thanks so much for the fast response!  I now see how
>>>>> > it's executed on Azure pipelines also, so that should be enough for
>>>>> me
>>>>> > to reverse engineer the rest.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Followup questions if you have time:
>>>>> > 1. It seems that directory doesn't exist in the 3.6 branches/tags,
>>>>> so it
>>>>> > must have been done a different way back then.  Do you think it's
>>>>> > back-portable to 3.6?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, it should work with 3.6. There were scripts under Tools/msi back
>>>>> then that did the same thing, but with the Store app I rewrote it to
>>>>> be
>>>>> more flexible.
>>>>>
>>>>> > 2. One of our objectives is to effectively create a nearly identical
>>>>> > embeddable package for linux. Do you think the layout code is
>>>>> generic
>>>>> > enough to be modified to create a linux equivalent?
>>>>

Re: [Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-03 Thread Gerald Wiltse
I have it working on linux now.  Is now a good time to open a ticket on
Issue Tracker?

Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com



On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 11:55 AM Gerald Wiltse  wrote:

> Ok, disregard previous message.  I fixed the PYTHONPATH in my command
> and the .pyc files and .  I also saw that python36._pth is specifically
> only supported by windows.
>
> Now i'm moved on to the following error:
>
> zipimport.ZipImportError: can't decompress data; zlib not available
>
> I'm on Ubuntu.  I've definitely got zlib1g-dev package installed, and I've
> recompiled a number of times trying to get it to work.  I've tried Ubuntu
> 16 and 18.
>
> Is this just a limitation on linux?
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 4:29 PM Gerald Wiltse 
> wrote:
>
>> Just an update based on testing.  If I zip the modules up into
>> python36.zip (whether in .py or .pyc form) the linux binary does not find
>> them.  If I copy them into the embedded root, alongside the python
>> executable, it finds them as expected.
>>
>> This just makes it seem more like an issue where Linux binary does not
>> respect .zip file as a source of modules.
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:56 PM Gerald Wiltse 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With minimal patching of tools/msi/make_zip.py, I was able to create an
>>> equivalent zip package on Linux.  It doesn't work out of the box of
>>> course.  I had to do two commands
>>>
>>> My biggest concern is that even if the layout is "correct" on linux, the
>>> python runtime might not actually support being run like this on Linux.
>>> Perhaps the code for using python36.zip as a landmark and source of modules
>>> is only implemented on Windows.  Do you know if that is the case?
>>>
>>> tmp$ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd)
>>> tmp$ export PYTHONHOME=$(pwd)
>>> tmp$ export PYTHONPATH=$(pwd)
>>> tmp$ ./python
>>> Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
>>> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'encodings'
>>>
>>> Current thread 0x7fdde9eb1680 (most recent call first):
>>> Aborted (core dumped)
>>>
>>> Here's the full directory structure, error, and patch I created. Any
>>> additional feedback would be great.
>>>
>>> https://gist.github.com/solvingj/87305e0f70e14d738d6989ba2f41352f
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:24 AM Gerald Wiltse 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've successfully automated the build of the embedded zip on Windows
>>>> for 3.6 on my internal CI using tools/msi script.
>>>>
>>>> Moving onto linux, can you please summarize the primary
>>>> challenges/differences for creating the embeddable zip for linux?
>>>>
>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM Gerald Wiltse 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I'll help with this, and I try to get signed up with an account
>>>>> for the issue tracker ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just started trying to build create the embeddable package for
>>>>> windows locally (all from source).  Once I have that automated, I'll take 
>>>>> a
>>>>> naive stab at the Linux layout.  I'm sure i'll soon hit the additional
>>>>> complications you're talking about and come back to you with questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 1:57 PM Steve Dower 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01May2019 1305, Gerald Wiltse wrote:
>>>>>> > That does help, thanks so much for the fast response!  I now see
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> > it's executed on Azure pipelines also, so that should be enough for
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> > to reverse engineer the rest.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Followup questions if you have time:
>>>>>> > 1. It seems that directory doesn't exist in the 3.6 branches/tags,
>>>>>> so it
>>>>>> > must have been done 

Re: [Python-Dev] Location of CI for Windows Embeddable Distro

2019-05-03 Thread Gerald Wiltse
Now that I have it working, I recall that the runtime challenge for a
portable/embeddable distro on Linux is in the system configuration
handling.  This has always been a complicated fundamental behavior which
has prevented or complicated many "portability" cases in the past.

There are many projects which have managed to ship portable/relocatable
python installations in the past.  Maybe looking at them will be helpful in
deciding how to deal with the situation here.

Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywil...@gmail.com



On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 1:02 PM Gerald Wiltse  wrote:

> I have it working on linux now.  Is now a good time to open a ticket on
> Issue Tracker?
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 11:55 AM Gerald Wiltse 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, disregard previous message.  I fixed the PYTHONPATH in my command
>> and the .pyc files and .  I also saw that python36._pth is specifically
>> only supported by windows.
>>
>> Now i'm moved on to the following error:
>>
>> zipimport.ZipImportError: can't decompress data; zlib not available
>>
>> I'm on Ubuntu.  I've definitely got zlib1g-dev package installed, and
>> I've recompiled a number of times trying to get it to work.  I've tried
>> Ubuntu 16 and 18.
>>
>> Is this just a limitation on linux?
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 4:29 PM Gerald Wiltse 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just an update based on testing.  If I zip the modules up into
>>> python36.zip (whether in .py or .pyc form) the linux binary does not find
>>> them.  If I copy them into the embedded root, alongside the python
>>> executable, it finds them as expected.
>>>
>>> This just makes it seem more like an issue where Linux binary does not
>>> respect .zip file as a source of modules.
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:56 PM Gerald Wiltse 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With minimal patching of tools/msi/make_zip.py, I was able to create an
>>>> equivalent zip package on Linux.  It doesn't work out of the box of
>>>> course.  I had to do two commands
>>>>
>>>> My biggest concern is that even if the layout is "correct" on linux,
>>>> the python runtime might not actually support being run like this on
>>>> Linux.  Perhaps the code for using python36.zip as a landmark and source of
>>>> modules is only implemented on Windows.  Do you know if that is the case?
>>>>
>>>> tmp$ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd)
>>>> tmp$ export PYTHONHOME=$(pwd)
>>>> tmp$ export PYTHONPATH=$(pwd)
>>>> tmp$ ./python
>>>> Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
>>>> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'encodings'
>>>>
>>>> Current thread 0x7fdde9eb1680 (most recent call first):
>>>> Aborted (core dumped)
>>>>
>>>> Here's the full directory structure, error, and patch I created. Any
>>>> additional feedback would be great.
>>>>
>>>> https://gist.github.com/solvingj/87305e0f70e14d738d6989ba2f41352f
>>>>
>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:24 AM Gerald Wiltse 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've successfully automated the build of the embedded zip on Windows
>>>>> for 3.6 on my internal CI using tools/msi script.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moving onto linux, can you please summarize the primary
>>>>> challenges/differences for creating the embeddable zip for linux?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM Gerald Wiltse 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I'll help with this, and I try to get signed up with an account
>>>>>> for the issue tracker ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just started trying to build create the embeddable package for
>>>>>> windows locally (all from source).  Once I have that automated, I'll 
>>>>>> take a
>>>>>> naive stab at the Linux layout.  I'm sure i'll soon hit the additional
>>>>>>