Re: regexp help
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:15:59 -0700 (PDT), Bakes ba...@ymail.com wrote: If I were using the code: (?Pdata[0-9]+) to get an integer between 0 and 9, how would I allow it to register negative integers as well? (?Pdata-?[0-9]+) -- To email me, substitute nowhere-spamcop, invalid-net. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Question on the csv library
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:12:07 -0700 (PDT) vsoler vicente.so...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 27, 9:42 pm, Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid wrote: [snip what I wrote] Thank you for your answers. Let me however make some comments: 1- the csv file was generated with Excel 2007; no prompts for what the separator should be; Excel has used ; by default, without asking anything Apparently it's possible, but it's a kludge http://astrochimp.com/2005/12/20/export-csv-with-any-delimiter/comment-page-1/ Anyways, ... 2- about capitalisation, I used the var spamReader because I just copy/pasted from the official python site: http://docs.python.org/library/csv.html Oh, switcheroo! Well, those hypocrites! 3- when I try sheet = [row for row in spamReader] print sheet [] all I get is an empty list; something seems not to be working properly Same result list: I get an empty list sheet = list(spamReader) Thank you again for your help, which is highly appreciated. I'm assuming you do that after you've iterated over the file before? Because it did work in a previous post of yours. Here's the deal: When you iterate over a file (or read from it in any other manner) you advance in the file. After iteration, you're at the end, of course. So iterating again yields silch. Hmm ... don't know how that translates to a CSVReader. But I postulate that it'l work on a fresh run. /W -- INVALID? DE! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Question on the csv library
vsoler wrote: On Aug 27, 9:42 pm, Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:36:28 +0200 Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid wrote: [snip] Might I humbly suggest sheet = list(spamReader) # ? Oh, and while I'm humbly suggesting: spam_reader instead of spamReader or SpamReader or SpamrEadeR or suchlike. Caps are reserved for classes. Not a necessity, of course. But it's the dialect around these parts. /W -- INVALID? DE! Thank you for your answers. Let me however make some comments: 1- the csv file was generated with Excel 2007; no prompts for what the separator should be; Excel has used ; by default, without asking anything I find this difficult to believe, but assuming that you are correct then use the delimiter=';' argument in the call to csv.reader. See the csv module documentation section Dialects and Formatting Parameters for more information. 2- about capitalisation, I used the var spamReader because I just copy/pasted from the official python site: http://docs.python.org/library/csv.html 3- when I try sheet = [row for row in spamReader] print sheet [] all I get is an empty list; something seems not to be working properly Same result list: I get an empty list sheet = list(spamReader) Thank you again for your help, which is highly appreciated. Vicente Soler -- Kindest regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Does Class implements Interface?
On Aug 27, 6:16 am, Emanuele D'Arrigo man...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings everybody, let's say I have a Class C and I'd like to verify if it implements Interface I. If I is available to me as a class object I can use issubclass(C, I) and I can at least verify that I is a superclass of C. There are a couple of issues with this approach however: 1) C might override not just I's methods code but also I's methods signatures, effectively changing the interface. 2) What if I is -not- available to me as the superclass of C but as a description of the interface, i.e. as an IDL(*) file? Are there resources such as tools, recipes, documents or strategies that could help me deal with these issues? I've already looked into the ABC module and the zope.interface. I'm just fishing for more things to look at. Have you heard of duck typing? Ignore all those things and rely on human (aka natural language) documentation. That is, if you want to see if a class will work for an interface, go read the docs on the interface (or rather, what the function expects the interface to be) and what the class provides and see if they fit. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python advanced features
On Aug 27, 5:13 am, jvpic jv...@free.fr wrote: Hi, Learning Python, I understand the mechanism of : closure, __new__, descriptors, decorators and __metaclass__, but I interrogate myself on the interest of those technics ? May somebody explain me the interest ? I assume you are asking, Why do these features exist? What makes them useful? When would I use them? For that, you should re-read the documentation and discussion surrounding them. The short answer is that the above makes your job, as a programmer easier. It's easier because you have to write less code, read less code, and your code has fewer bugs. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Terry Reedy wrote: David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. In particular, because there is no indication that it is an exact duplicate of what I will also find on the list itself. Please use reply instead of reply-all. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python on the Web
In article d2921dc3-646c-49f3-8dd6-228bbc649...@k30g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, Phil phil...@gmail.com wrote: My interest in Python 3.1 was actually to develop a framework. Again, I can feel the flames. :) I understand there are enough frameworks but I actually have no applications that I wish to develop. I enjoy developing these kinds of things from scratch as a learning experience. Well, there's a standard joke that just as people learning Scheme write a new language (following SICP), people learning Python write a new web framework. That's why there are so many of them. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ I support family values -- Addams family values --www.nancybuttons.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python Telnet client
Is there telnet client in python? i want to write NetHack telnet GUI app) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Telnet client
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Darvinnbdar...@gmail.com wrote: Is there telnet client in python? i want to write NetHack telnet GUI app) http://docs.python.org/library/telnetlib.html Cheers, Chris -- http://blog.rebertia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
How to unencode a string
This seems like a real simple newbie question but how can a person
unencode a string? In Perl I use something like: $part=~ s/\%([A-Fa-
f0-9]{2})/pack('C', hex($1))/seg;
If I have a string like Word1%20Word2%20Word3 I want to get Word1
Word2 Word3. Would also like to handle special characters like ',(){}
[] etc/
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Re: Python Telnet client
On 09:06 pm, nbdar...@gmail.com wrote: Is there telnet client in python? i want to write NetHack telnet GUI app) The Python stdlib has a module named telnetlib which offers rudamentary telnet support. Twisted includes twisted.conch.telnet which implements a much more complete telnet library. Twisted also includes twisted.conch.insults which provides basic terminal control functionality (so you can tell what nethack is trying to do over your telnet connection). Jean-Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
In article mailman.541.1251404574.2854.python-l...@python.org, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. More precisely, there is a Mailman option per-list to suppress list sending of posts for which you are cc'd. I don't remember where, you should be able to find it by poking around the Mailman interface (or searching the docs). -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ I support family values -- Addams family values --www.nancybuttons.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
TypeError: _getfullpathname() argument 1 must be (buffer overflow), not str in windows xp, while making tarfile
Ryniek90 rynie...@gmail.com (R) wrote: R Hahah right. My fault. Must remember to read documentation so many times R until I find the solution. Thanks, now works fine. :-) And, by the way, how come the traceback refers to File backuper.py, line 197, in module while the posted code has only 188 lines? Cuz my original code is bit longer - i've got some bookkeepings like __author__, __version__ etc., just after module imports. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE
- Tkinter and IDLE Shortfalls - *The following is an assessment of Tkinter as i have experienced it. Even with all the problems i list below i strongly believe Tkinter is a great starter GUI toolkit and we (the Python Community), must keep and maintain this module for the foreseeable future. *However, as my assessment will reveal, much needs to be done to freshen up Tkinter and IDLE, and I am not just asking for someone to fix these problems. I have already coded solutions for most of them however, some of course still need work, and i would like to hear from others on this subject too. So buckle your seat belts folks, cause here we go... - Python offical docs and Tkinter - *The Python docs barely cover anything related to actual Tkinter coding. At the minimum the Tkinter doc page should have a subpage for all the widgets available --which is very small(approx 15) and each subpage should list the available methods on that wiget. Here are two great resources that really like from Fredrik Lundh and John Shipman... http://www.pythonware.com/library/tkinter/introduction/index.htm http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/tkinter/ ...I must say that I prefer the latter written by John Shipman because of the way he lists each widgets options in a nice table structure, and then lists the methods below. And intersestingly enough, his manual only weighs in at about 800kb completely uncommpressed and unedited. I'll bet you a wooden nickel i can reduce it to around 500kb for the official Python docs *wink* *Sadly however neither of these great works is mentioned or linked in the official docs Why?. *I think a short-and-to-the-point reference, like the afore mentioned along with a few links to full featured tuts would be a great addition to the Tkinter section of the official docs and i would be happy to help make this happen. - from Tkinter import * - *Too many noobs start out with the from Tkinter import * idiom, unknowing that they are horribly polluting their namespace. I feel that all (tkinter) code should follow the import Tkinter as tk policy and never use from Tkinter import *. To push this agenda i propose all docs be modified so that no one should see such global import blasphemy again. We should at least keep all example code in the latter non-polluting form and frown heavily upon global imports in Tkinter code or any code for that matter. - Tkinter Constants - *The Tkconstants module needs to be removed *yesterday* because i think it reinforces sloppy coding styles. The main problem is with subtle bugs that are created when someone rebinds one or more of the constants, for example W=20. At first i thought the constants were great but I quickly found out the shortfalls of such a Utopian approach . Since Tkinter allows strings to be passed-into widget constructors, we should remove the TkConstants immediately and force everyone to use strings instead... #-- instead of this --# w.pack(side=LEFT,fill=BOTH,anchor=W) #-- do this --# w.pack(side='left',fill='both',anchor='w') The few extra keystrokes are well worth the effort! - IDLE Shell - *IDLE and Pyshell are great but have major flaws in design. One of my biggest complaints is the shell's eight space indention which completely bloats your screen! Another annoying fact is that the prompt () is actually inside the text widget. This design is all wrong! The prompt should be in another widget to the left of the text so it never gets copied or pasted. Or at-least have the copy/paste action remove the initial four spaces and the prompt, but i think a full separation of prompt and text are the best solution. The following ASCII art won't win me any awards, but it may covey my idea. W1 holds the prompt and W2 is the actual text editor. W1 W2 --- | for x in range(10): | ... | print x | ... | for y in range(x): | ... | print y | |1 |2 And don't tell me about Geany or Pythonwin or emacs or vim or whatever editor happens to float your boat. I know there are tons of great editors out there but IDLE is most likely the first one a Pynoob will use so it must be usable! IDLE and Tkinter are what make Python a stater language -- after the beautiful syntax of course :) - IDLE Editor - *On M$ windows pressing the MMB without a motion causes the selected text to be pasted at the insertion cursor, and holding it repeats the action very quickly! Since IDLE has no
variables of the class are not available as default values?
I'm working on a program where I wish to define the default value of a method as a value that was set in __init__. I get a compilation error saying that self is undefined. As always a code snippet helps :-) class foo: def __init__(self, maxvalue): self.maxvalue = maxvalue self.value = 0 def put(self, value=self.maxvalue): self.value = value So if I call foo.put() the value is set to maxvalue but maxvalue can be specified when I instantiate foo. Explanations and/or workarounds much appreciated. python test.py Traceback (most recent call last): File test.py, line 1, in module class foo: File test.py, line 6, in foo def put(self, value=self.maxvalue): NameError: name 'self' is not defined -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: variables of the class are not available as default values?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM, seanacaiskccnos...@glenevin.com wrote: I'm working on a program where I wish to define the default value of a method as a value that was set in __init__. I get a compilation error saying that self is undefined. As always a code snippet helps :-) class foo: def __init__(self, maxvalue): self.maxvalue = maxvalue self.value = 0 def put(self, value=self.maxvalue): self.value = value So if I call foo.put() the value is set to maxvalue but maxvalue can be specified when I instantiate foo. python test.py Traceback (most recent call last): File test.py, line 1, in module class foo: File test.py, line 6, in foo def put(self, value=self.maxvalue): NameError: name 'self' is not defined Explanations and/or workarounds much appreciated. Workaround: class foo: def __init__(self, maxvalue): self.maxvalue = maxvalue self.value = 0 def put(self, value=None): self.value = self.value if value is None else value Explanation: Default values are only evaluated once, when the class is defined, thus self is not defined at that point since the class is still being defined when the method definition is executed and thus there can be no instances yet anyway. Cheers, Chris -- http://blog.rebertia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to unencode a string
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM, jakecjacobsonjakecjacob...@gmail.com wrote:
This seems like a real simple newbie question but how can a person
unencode a string? In Perl I use something like: $part=~ s/\%([A-Fa-
f0-9]{2})/pack('C', hex($1))/seg;
If I have a string like Word1%20Word2%20Word3 I want to get Word1
Word2 Word3. Would also like to handle special characters like ',(){}
[] etc/
Use the `uu` module together with the `stringio` module:
http://docs.python.org/library/uu.html
http://docs.python.org/library/stringio.html
Not sure about special character handling though.
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: variables of the class are not available as default values?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:37 PM, seanacaiskccnos...@glenevin.com wrote: I'm working on a program where I wish to define the default value of a method as a value that was set in __init__. I get a compilation error saying that self is undefined. As always a code snippet helps :-) class foo: def __init__(self, maxvalue): self.maxvalue = maxvalue self.value = 0 def put(self, value=self.maxvalue): self.value = value So if I call foo.put() the value is set to maxvalue but maxvalue can be specified when I instantiate foo. Explanations and/or workarounds much appreciated. Explanation: The default value is calculated at the time the function is defined, not at the time it is called. And at that time there is no instance for self to refer to. Workaround: class foo: def __init__(self, maxvalue): self.maxvalue = maxvalue self.value = 0 def put(self, value=None): if value is None: self.value = self.maxvalue else: self.value = value -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: regexp help
On Aug 27, 7:15 pm, Bakes ba...@ymail.com wrote: If I were using the code: (?Pdata[0-9]+) to get an integer between 0 and 9, how would I allow it to register negative integers as well? -? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python on the Web
Haha. While I don't disagree with you, I seem to be under the impression that you think I haven't been reading the web where nearly every blog post complains about the abundance of Python frameworks. The thing is, most of the frameworks being commented on in such a way are 'microframeworks' that provide next to nothing. I'm do not mean to say anything negative about them, but I strongly feel that my approach will be much more functional without having to include, or at least a good starting point for newcomers to both Python and web programming. The ideas I had for mine lied somewhere in between a full stack framework and a minimalist approach like said microframeworks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to unencode a string
jakecjacobson wrote:
This seems like a real simple newbie question but how can a person
unencode a string? In Perl I use something like: $part=~ s/\%([A-Fa-
f0-9]{2})/pack('C', hex($1))/seg;
If I have a string like Word1%20Word2%20Word3 I want to get Word1
Word2 Word3. Would also like to handle special characters like ',(){}
[] etc/
The Python equivalent of your regular expression code is:
import re
s = Word1%20Word2%20Word3
re.sub(r%([A-Fa-f0-9]{2}), lambda m: chr(int(m.group(1), 16)), s)
'Word1 Word2 Word3'
The replacement is a lambda expression (an anonymous function), which is
called for each match with the match object and it works like this:
m# m is the match object
m.group(1) # get group 1 (the 2 hex digits)
int(m.group(1), 16) # convert to an integer
chr(int(m.group(1), 16)) # convert to a character
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Re: Does Class implements Interface?
On Aug 27, 9:42 pm, Jonathan Gardner jgard...@jonathangardner.net wrote: Have you heard of duck typing? Yes. Ignore all those things and rely on human (aka natural language) documentation. That is, if you want to see if a class will work for an interface, go read the docs on the interface (or rather, what the function expects the interface to be) and what the class provides and see if they fit. Apologies, my fault, I didn't explain that humans are out of the loop entirely. It's only at runtime that the program obtains the class object that might or might not conform to an expected interface. In fact the program might obtain multiple objects and have to decide which one conforms best to the expected interface. Of course I could use hasattr() and the inspect module (anything else?) to find out if existing attributes and method signatures are those expected. Or I could just deal with the exceptions as they are raised. However, if I could somehow rely that the object I'm getting has the right methods and signatures I could avoid peppering the code with try/except constructs. I was just wondering then if this has been somewhat dealt with and has been wrapped in a neat package, set of functions, recipe or pattern. Manu -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to unencode a string
jakecjacobson wrote:
This seems like a real simple newbie question but how can a person
unencode a string? In Perl I use something like: $part=~ s/\%([A-Fa-
f0-9]{2})/pack('C', hex($1))/seg;
If I have a string like Word1%20Word2%20Word3 I want to get Word1
Word2 Word3. Would also like to handle special characters like ',(){}
[] etc/
import urllib
print urllib.unquote(Word1%20Word2%20Word3)
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Re: Does Class implements Interface?
On Aug 27, 3:09 pm, Emanuele D'Arrigo man...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies, my fault, No apology is necessary. I didn't explain that humans are out of the loop entirely. It's only at runtime that the program obtains the class object that might or might not conform to an expected interface. In fact the program might obtain multiple objects and have to decide which one conforms best to the expected interface. Of course I could use hasattr() and the inspect module (anything else?) to find out if existing attributes and method signatures are those expected. Or I could just deal with the exceptions as they are raised. However, if I could somehow rely that the object I'm getting has the right methods and signatures I could avoid peppering the code with try/except constructs. I was just wondering then if this has been somewhat dealt with and has been wrapped in a neat package, set of functions, recipe or pattern. Don't bother with introspection using hasattr() and such. Use exceptions. If the object that is instantiated at run-time doesn't provide the right interface, throw an exception and direct it to the responsible party. This isn't much different than what you'd do if you're writing an app that expects a string of digits but is instead given a string of non- digits. Rather than inspecting the string before converting it (introspection), just try to convert it and catch the exception. Then handle the exception such that you tell the person who entered the data, I wanted numbers, not letters and allow them to try again. When you stop asking Did I get something I expect? except only when it is absolutely necessary, then you can get back to writing your program. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Does Class implements Interface?
On Aug 27, 3:09 pm, Emanuele D'Arrigo man...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 27, 9:42 pm, Jonathan Gardner jgard...@jonathangardner.net wrote: Have you heard of duck typing? Yes. I was just wondering then if this has been somewhat dealt with and has been wrapped in a neat package, set of functions, recipe or pattern. As a joke (but only partly), here's the python code you'd use to check to see if a value conforms with expectations: code /code As you can see, the above code is not only easy to write, but easy to write unit tests for, compile, run, and debug. It simply doesn't get better than this. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: variables of the class are not available as default values?
On Aug 27, 5:44 pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM, seanacaiskccnos...@glenevin.com wrote: I'm working on a program where I wish to define the default value of a method as a value that was set in __init__. I get a compilation error saying that self is undefined. As always a code snippet helps :-) class foo: def __init__(self, maxvalue): self.maxvalue = maxvalue self.value = 0 def put(self, value=self.maxvalue): self.value = value So if I call foo.put() the value is set to maxvalue but maxvalue can be specified when I instantiate foo. python test.py Traceback (most recent call last): File test.py, line 1, in module class foo: File test.py, line 6, in foo def put(self, value=self.maxvalue): NameError: name 'self' is not defined Explanations and/or workarounds much appreciated. Workaround: class foo: def __init__(self, maxvalue): self.maxvalue = maxvalue self.value = 0 def put(self, value=None): self.value = self.value if value is None else value Explanation: Default values are only evaluated once, when the class is defined, thus self is not defined at that point since the class is still being defined when the method definition is executed and thus there can be no instances yet anyway. Cheers, Chris --http://blog.rebertia.com That clears that up for me. Thank you! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Algorithms as objects?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Kresokkumnotthi...@thatsearchenginesguglsemail.com wrote: I am writing an application that essentially calculates set of numbers, say N1, N2, ..., where they can be calculated by several different algorithms. (One should be able to choose the algorithm at run time.) In each algorithm one starts from a set of functions, say f1, f2, ..., which are then transformed into some other functions g1(f1, f2, ..), g2(f1, f2, ...), ... , then maybe transformed once more and result is obtained by evaluating final functions. I can naturally think about this as a collection of transformation blocks, which have functions as input and output, and which can be put together to get the final results. However, I am not sure how to program this, especially since one cannot subclass function type. To be clear let me give simplified example of what is needed: f(x) has unknown shape, so one would like to try, say f1(x) = ax - b x**2 or f2(x) = a sin(b*x), where a and b are variable parameters. Then, one would like to create, with known k(x,y), function g(x) in one of two ways: g1(x) = k(x, x)*f(x) or g2(x) = integrate(k(x, y) * f(y), y=0..1), and finally evaluate N=g(1) as result. In this simple example there are 4 different algorithms for f(x) - g(x) - N, and one should be able to simply choose between them, e.g. by calling N(g1, f2, (a,b)). In practice algorithm is not necessary so linear, but is generally tree-lika: (a,b) - f1(x) ---g1(x)---+ |-- h(x) -- N (c,d) ---+-- g2(x)+ | f2(x) --+ It would be nice to have some class of function-objects, that f1(x), .., g1(x), ... could be members/instances of so that common operations on these functions could be possible (checking that they satisfy some necessary properties, plotting them, ...), and then second class of transformations/methods operating on these objects. I seem to be confused by the fact that I would like to somehow treat algorithms as objects (so that one can experiment with different algorithm systems) but I don't have clear picture how to do it. I am just brainstorming for ideas. Any advice is welcome. It sounds like you're describing the Strategy Pattern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_pattern). To have objects callable like functions, just implement the __call__ special method in your class(es): http://docs.python.org/reference/datamodel.html#object.__call__ Cheers, Chris -- http://blog.rebertia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Numeric literals in other than base 10 - was Annoying octal notation
On Aug 27, 2:26 pm, Piet van Oostrum p...@cs.uu.nl wrote: Mensanator mensana...@aol.com (M) wrote: M On Aug 26, 4:59 pm, Piet van Oostrum p...@cs.uu.nl wrote: Mensanator mensana...@aol.com (M) wrote: M That's my point. Since the common usage of binary is for M Standard Positional Number System of Radix 2, it follows M that unary is the common usage for Standard Positional M Number System of Radix 1. That's VERY confusing since such M a system is undefined. Remember, common usage does not M necessarily properly define things. Saying simply unary M sounds like you're extending common usage beyond its proper M boundaries. But the customary meaning of `unary' is the tally system, as a radix system wouldn't make sense. I don't know when this term came into use but I have known it for a long time. M Ok, I'll accept that and in the same breath say such common usage M is stupid. I, for one, have never heard such usage and would never M use unary in the same breath as decimal, octal, binary even if M I had. As I see it, unary just means that there is one symbol. Binary just means that there are two symbols, etc. Right, and neither word, by itself, gives the full meaning. With unary, the only sensible numerical interpretation is to count the number of occurrences of that symbol, or if you also want to have the number 0, the number of occurrences - 1. Trouble is, nothing's stopping you from making a non-sensible interpretation. With binary and higher you can come up with more numerical interpretations but the most efficient one is the radix interpretation (for different values of `efficient'). I doubt that there are many other interpretations that you can call sensible. But not impossible. You could have a base-3 tally system for ticking off how many cars on a three lane road pass a given point. And you can have mixed radix systems (pounds, shillings, pence or degrees, minutes seconds). Therefore we immediately think of a radix system when we talk about binary, octal, decimal etc. But the word `binary' itself doesn't imply that. Just as unary doesn't imply that it's an extension of binary made by simply changing the base because there's more to it than that. Yet, I constantly run into people who get confused by this. As a result, I will never use the word unary even if it is considered acceptable. If I'm trying to imply some sort of base-1 system, I'll explain what I'm talking about and not assume the listener will fully understand what is meant by unary. -- Piet van Oostrum p...@cs.uu.nl URL:http://pietvanoostrum.com[PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Private email: p...@vanoostrum.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
PyGTK problems after Linux update...
I use a python-based program called 'meld' which worked fine until my latest Fedora11/KDE4.3 update; it now gives me the following error: prompt meld /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/glib/_glib.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeUTF8 Meld requires pygtk 2.8.0 or higher. If I run another GTK-based utility, I also get errors: prompt gedit ** (gedit:28289): WARNING **: Error initializing Python interpreter: could not import pygtk. I have installed the latest PyGTK (pygtk-2.14.1), to no avail. Googling these messages have also produced no major results. When I run 'pygtk-demo', I get the following errors: prompt python /usr/lib/pygtk/2.0/pygtk-demo.py Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/pygtk/2.0/pygtk-demo.py, line 18, in module import gobject File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gobject/__init__.py, line 33, in module from glib import spawn_async, idle_add, timeout_add, timeout_add_seconds, \ File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/glib/__init__.py, line 30, in module from glib._glib import * ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/glib/_glib.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeUTF8 Does anyone know what needs to be done to resolve this? Using Python 2.6.2 on Fedora11/KDE4.3 32-bit i386/i586/i686. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
printing from child process in Tkinter window
Hi all, I've been messing with this for a couple hours now but can't make it work. Basically I have a Tkinter GUI that creates a child process via subprocess.Popen, and I would like to capture the child process's output to display it in a Text widget in the GUI. Relevant snippets: def click_start: #launch from clicking a button in the gui ... self.apppipe = Popen(cmdString, shell=True, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE) self.master.after(200, self.readAppStdout) ... def readAppStdout(self): readers, writers, exceptionals = select.select( [self.apppipe.stdout], [], [], 0.001) if readers != []: pipetext = self.apppipe.stdout.readline() self.appoutput.insert(END, pipetext) #self.appoutput is the Text widget (same for apppipe.stderr) self.master.after(200, self.readAppStdout) I don't ever get any output in my window, even though I've waited long enough that the application would otherwise have printed to the console (based on its graphical outputs). Any suggestions for what I'm doing wrong? -dan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need help with Python scoping rules
Miles Kaufmann mile...@umich.edu writes: On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:11 PM, kj wrote: I think I understand the answers well enough. What I *really* don't understand is why this particular feature of Python (i.e. that functions defined within a class statement are forbidden from seeing other identifiers defined within the class statement) is generally considered to be perfectly OK. IMO it's a bizarre, inexplicable blindspot (which, among other things, gives rise to a certain worry about what other similar craziness lurks under Python's image of rationality). I have never seen even a half-hearted justification, from a language design point of view, for why this particular feature is worth having. Guido's design justifications: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-November/010598.html Ah! Clarity! Thanks! How did you find this? Did you know of this post already? Or is there some special way to search Guido's design justifications? ...because the suite namespace and the class namespace would get out of sync when different objects were assigned to the class namespace: class C: x = 1 def foo(self): print x print self.x o = C() o.foo() 1 1 o.x = 2 o.foo() 1 2 But this unfortunate situation is already possible, because one can already define class C: x = 1 def foo(self): print C.x print self.x which would lead to exactly the same thing. I need to learn more about metaclasses, though, to fully understand your post. Many thanks! kynn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Algorithms as objects?
Chris Rebert: It sounds like you're describing the Strategy Pattern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_pattern). To have objects callable like functions, just implement the __call__ special method in your class(es): Please, can't you just use a bit of functional-style programming? Like creating nested functions on the fly, etc. Bye, bearophile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
why python got less developers ?
python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Annoying octal notation
Steven D'Aprano wrote: Leading zeroes in decimal numbers are *very* common in dates and times. In banking too, according to someone at work today. Mel. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Deep_Feelingsdoctore...@gmail.com wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? We lack Sun and Microsoft's massive marketing departments. :) Cheers, Chris -- http://blog.rebertia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
Deep_Feelings wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Fewer needed? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
Deep_Feelings wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Perhaps because we value QUALITY over QUANTITY ... Gary Herron -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: break unichr instead of fix ord?
On 08/26/2009 11:51 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: [...] But regardless, the significant question is, what is the reason for having ord() (and unichr) not work for surrogate pairs and thus not usable with a large number of unicode characters that Python otherwise supports? See PEP 261, http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0261/ It specifies all this. The PEP (AFAICT) says only what we already know... that on narrow builds unichr() will raise an exception with an argument = 0x1, and ord() is unichr()'s inverse. I have read the PEP twice now and still see no justification for that decision, it appears to have been made by fiat.[*1] Could you or someone please point me to specific justification for having unichr and ord work only for a subset of unicode characters on narrow builds, as opposed to the more general and IMO useful behavior proposed earlier in this thread? -- [*1] The PEP says: * unichr(i) for 0 = i 2**16 (0x1) always returns a length-one string. * unichr(i) for 2**16 = i = TOPCHAR will return a length-one string on wide Python builds. On narrow builds it will raise ValueError. and * ord() is always the inverse of unichr() which of course we know; that is the current behavior. But there is no reason given for that behavior. Under the second *unicode bullet point, there are two issues raised: 1) Should surrogate pairs be disallowed on narrow builds? That appears to have been answered in the negative and is not relevant to my question. 2) Should access to code points above TOPCHAR be allowed? Not relevant to my question. * every Python Unicode character represents exactly one Unicode code point (i.e. Python Unicode Character = Abstract Unicode character) I'm not sure what this means (what's an abstract unicode character?). If it mandates that u'\ud800\udc40' be treated as a len() 2 string, that is that current case but does not say anything about how unichr and ord should behave. If it mandates that that string must always be treated as two separate code points then Python itself violates by printing that string as u'\U00010040' rather than u'\ud800\udc40'. Finally we read: * There is a convention in the Unicode world for encoding a 32-bit code point in terms of two 16-bit code points. These are known as surrogate pairs. Python's codecs will adopt this convention. Is a distinction made between Python and Python codecs with only the latter having any knowledge of surrogate pairs? I guess that would explain why Python prints a surrogate pair as a single character. But this seems arbitrary and counter-useful if applied to ord() and unichr(). What possible use-case is there for *not* recognizing surrogate pairs in those two functions? Nothing else in the PEP seems remotely relevant. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: In particular, because there is no indication that it is an exact duplicate of what I will also find on the list itself. Please use reply instead of reply-all. Better: If you don't want to reply to the author directly, and you don't want to reply to everyone, don't use “reply to author” or “reply to all”. When replying to the list, use the “reply to list” command of your mail client. This will, in a standards-compliant mail client, reply to the posting address for the list (declared in the message header via the RFC 2369 ‘List-Post’ field, added automatically by every common mailing list system), without a copy to the sender. Thunderbird has a long-outstanding bug report requesting this feature URL:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715, which is apparently fixed in recent versions. Before that bug was fixed, an add-on URL:http://www.juergen-ernst.de/addons/replytolist.html was developed to add it in a different way. If you're using a different mail client, look for the “reply to list” command, and if it's not there (or doesn't work correctly), report it to the vendor as a bug and/or switch to one of the many alternative MUAs that get it right. -- \ “I think it would be a good idea.” —Mahatma Gandhi (when asked | `\ what he thought of Western civilization) | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need help with Python scoping rules
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:49 AM, kj no.em...@please.post wrote: Miles Kaufmann mile...@umich.edu writes: ...because the suite namespace and the class namespace would get out of sync when different objects were assigned to the class namespace: class C: x = 1 def foo(self): print x print self.x o = C() o.foo() 1 1 o.x = 2 o.foo() 1 2 I haven't tested either codes, but that isn't out of sync. Your x = 1 is a static variable, and shared between all isntances of class C. But this unfortunate situation is already possible, because one can already define class C: x = 1 def foo(self): print C.x print self.x which would lead to exactly the same thing. It works because you're simply explicitly referring to the class's local scope, which leads to the same result. Again, that's just my understanding of the implementation. Cheers, Xav -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python for professsional Windows GUI apps?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM, David C Ullrichdullr...@sprynet.com wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:22:20 -0700, sturlamolden wrote: On 25 Aug, 05:56, Peter Decker pydec...@gmail.com wrote: I use the Dabo Class Designer to visually design my forms. So what's you're point? :) Nothing, except lobbying for wxFormBuilder for anyone who still doesn't know of it. :) That's great. But do you know of anything I can use as a visual form design tool in wxPython? You mean you prefer the wxPython style of coding? No, I don't know what's available. Once I discovered that Dabo is the smart way to get all the benefits of wxPython without the ugly C++ style of coding, I haven't used raw wxPython. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: regexp help
On Aug 27, 1:15 pm, Bakes ba...@ymail.com wrote: If I were using the code: (?Pdata[0-9]+) to get an integer between 0 and 9, how would I allow it to register negative integers as well? With that + sign in there, you will actually get an integer from 0 to 9... -- Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
On Aug 28, 3:46 am, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Deep_Feelingsdoctore...@gmail.com wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? We lack Sun and Microsoft's massive marketing departments. :) Cheers, Chris --http://blog.rebertia.com any technical reasons ?? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need help with Python scoping rules
kj wrote: But this unfortunate situation is already possible, because one can already define class C: x = 1 def foo(self): print C.x print self.x How is this a problem? There is no ambiguity between the global scope and the local from within foo. From within foo C is accessed from the global scope having not found it as a local. Once you have C C.x is just one step away. Variable self is local to function foo since it was passed in as a parameter from the method which wraps it. Variable self refers to a class instance which contains a dictionary. Variable x is absent from the instance dictionary so the class self.__class__ is referenced, again from local scope to find x. If it wasn't found there the superclasses would have been searched before throwing an attribute error. It seems to me, you are confusing instance creation with class creation. -- Stephen Fairchild -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Esam Qanadeelydoctore...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 28, 3:46 am, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Deep_Feelingsdoctore...@gmail.com wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? We lack Sun and Microsoft's massive marketing departments. :) Cheers, Chris --http://blog.rebertia.com any technical reasons ?? -- Not really. It's mostly because of the lack of marketing departments and pieces of paper to placate business majors (what Microsoft and Sun call certification) http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need help with Python scoping rules
On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:49 PM, kj wrote: Miles Kaufmann mile...@umich.edu writes: Guido's design justifications: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-November/010598.html Ah! Clarity! Thanks! How did you find this? Did you know of this post already? Or is there some special way to search Guido's design justifications? I just checked the python-dev archives around the time that PEP 227 was written. ...because the suite namespace and the class namespace would get out of sync when different objects were assigned to the class namespace: class C: x = 1 def foo(self): print x print self.x o = C() o.foo() 1 1 o.x = 2 o.foo() 1 2 But this unfortunate situation is already possible, because one can already define class C: x = 1 def foo(self): print C.x print self.x which would lead to exactly the same thing. You're right, of course. If I had been thinking properly, I would have posted this: ... the suite namespace and the class namespace would get out of sync when different objects were assigned to the class namespace: # In a hypothetical Python with nested class suite scoping: class C: x = 1 @classmethod def foo(cls): print x print cls.x C.foo() 1 1 C.x = 2 C.foo() 1 2 With your example, the result is at least easily explainable: self.x is originally 1 because the object namespace inherits from the class namespace, but running 'o.x = 2' rebinds 'x' in the object namespace (without affecting the class namespace). It's a distinction that sometimes trips up newbies (and me, apparently ;) ), but it's straightforward to comprehend once explained. But the distinction between the class suite namespace and the class namespace is far more subtle; extending the lifetime of the first so that it still exists after the second is created is, IMO, asking for trouble (and trying to unify the two double so). -Miles -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
On Aug 27, 7:34 pm, Deep_Feelings doctore...@gmail.com wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Ugh? Well maybe if you put some deep_thoughts into this conundrum you may reveal the answer to your self. Python is an interpreted scripting, glue, and sys administation language. As long as Java can be complied strait to machine code and constantly run light years faster than Python Java will always win in this area. But who cares, Python is not meant for writing OS's or 3D games of the year, and i am quite happy it is made to be that way. Python will never be as popular as C, Java, etc for all these reasons. And since your chances of making a living writing Java code verses Python code are absolute, then of course that is where the pros will go. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need help with Python scoping rules
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Miles Kaufmann mile...@umich.edu wrote: You're right, of course. If I had been thinking properly, I would have posted this: ... the suite namespace and the class namespace would get out of sync when different objects were assigned to the class namespace: I'm not an expert on Python, but could you define out of sync for me? When you call the class as a new instance and assign it to a new variable, the class attributes (self.x) are independent for each instance. The static variables in the class (x, or C.x in this case) is shared between all instances of this class. # In a hypothetical Python with nested class suite scoping: Class already provides some kind of scoping/namespace, that is the locals() method for the class. What is pypothetical about this, if you could elaborate? snips the code With your example, the result is at least easily explainable: self.x is originally 1 Incorrect. self.x (or cls.x in your sample code) doesn't exist until you called o.x = 2, which sets cls.x = 2. Don't be confused between static variables that are initialised at class creation, and the class attributes which usually is declared inside the __init__ method. because the object namespace inherits from the class namespace, but running 'o.x = 2' rebinds 'x' in the object namespace (without affecting the class namespace). See above comment. It's a distinction that sometimes trips up newbies (and me, apparently ;) ), but it's straightforward to comprehend once explained. But the distinction between the class suite namespace and the class namespace is far more subtle; extending the lifetime of the first so that it still exists after the second is created is, IMO, asking for trouble (and trying to unify the two double so). It is. I had trouble getting it also, but once I think of all the variables outside of the __init__() method as static, and the ones within as class attributes, everything clears out just fine. =] Any corrections appreciated. I'm merely posting my understanding of Python. Cheers, - Xav -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need help with Python scoping rules
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Xavier Ho cont...@xavierho.com wrote: Class already provides some kind of scoping/namespace, that is the locals() method for the class. What is pypothetical about this, if you could elaborate? Obviously that was supposed to be hypothetical. Oops. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Transforming a str to an operator
Hey
I'm a Python noob
So far so good!
I've written the following:
num1 = raw_input('Enter the first number: ')
num2 = raw_input('Enter the second number: ')
op = raw_input('Select one of the following [+-*/]: ')
print 'The answer is: ', int(num1), eval(op), int(num2)
How do I convert the contents of op from a string to an actual
arithmetic operator? eval() does not seem to be the answer. TIA!
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Re: Transforming a str to an operator
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Duke Normandin dukeofp...@ml1.net wrote: How do I convert the contents of op from a string to an actual arithmetic operator? eval() does not seem to be the answer. TIA! Maybe you were looking for print eval(num1 + op + num2) # it's a little ugly string concatenation. Hm? (untested, but it works in my head.) Cheers, Xav -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Transforming a str to an operator
On Aug 27, 10:52 pm, Duke Normandin dukeofp...@ml1.net wrote: How do I convert the contents of op from a string to an actual arithmetic operator? eval() does not seem to be the answer. TIA! Try this.. op = '+' one = '1' two = '2' one+op+two '1+2' eval(one+op+two) 3 you could also use string formatting. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Transforming a str to an operator
num1 = raw_input('Enter the first number: ')
num2 = raw_input('Enter the second number: ')
op = raw_input('Select one of the following [+-*/]: ')
print 'The answer is: ', int(num1), eval(op), int(num2)
How do I convert the contents of op from a string to an actual
arithmetic operator? eval() does not seem to be the answer. TIA!
You could eval(num1+op+num2), but it'd be safer to do:
import operator
operators = {+: operator.add, -: operator.sub, *: operator.mul, /:
operator.div}
fn = operators[op]
print The answer is:, fn(int(num1), int(num2))
Its best to avoid eval when possible :)
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Re: Question on the csv library
On Aug 28, 6:44 am, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: vsoler wrote: On Aug 27, 9:42 pm, Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid 1- the csv file was generated with Excel 2007; no prompts for what the separator should be; Excel has used ; by default, without asking anything I find this difficult to believe, Mark, there exist parallel universes the denizens of which use strange notation e.g. 1.234,56 instead of 1,234.56 and would you believe they use ';' instead of ',' as a list separator ... Excel perfidiously gives them what they expect rather than forcing them to comply with The One True Way. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Transforming a str to an operator
Duke Normandin dukeofp...@ml1.net writes:
Hey
I'm a Python noob
So far so good!
I've written the following:
num1 = raw_input('Enter the first number: ')
num2 = raw_input('Enter the second number: ')
op = raw_input('Select one of the following [+-*/]: ')
print 'The answer is: ', int(num1), eval(op), int(num2)
How do I convert the contents of op from a string to an actual
arithmetic operator? eval() does not seem to be the answer. TIA!
In general, ‘eval’ on unsanitised input is not the answer.
I would use the following approach:
import operator
op_funcs = {
'+': operator.add,
'-': operator.sub,
'*': operator.mul,
'/': operator.div,
}
num_1 = int(raw_input('Enter the first number: '))
num_2 = int(raw_input('Enter the second number: '))
op_prompt = (
Select an operator
+ [ + .join(s for s in op_funcs.keys()) + ]
+ : )
op_symbol = raw_input(op_prompt)
op_func = op_funcs[op_symbol]
print 'The answer is: ', op_func(num_1, num_2)
This has several advantages:
* The input isn't evaluated directly as code.
* The operator symbols are specified in one place, the ‘op_funcs’
mapping; if you want to change the set of possible operators, you just
change it there.
* If the input results in an operator that's not defined, it won't
attempt to perform it; instead, a simple KeyError will result when
trying to find the corresponding operator function.
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Re: Transforming a str to an operator
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Ben Finney
ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.auben%2bpyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
import operator
op_funcs = {
'+': operator.add,
'-': operator.sub,
'*': operator.mul,
'/': operator.div,
}
num_1 = int(raw_input('Enter the first number: '))
num_2 = int(raw_input('Enter the second number: '))
op_prompt = Select an operator ({}):.format(','.join(op for op in
op_funcs))
op_symbol = raw_input(op_prompt)
op_func = op_funcs[op_symbol]
print 'The answer is: ', op_func(num_1, num_2)
Just fixing the code a little to be more Pythonic ;).
Might also want to do exception handling, but with a program this small,
meh.
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Re: why python got less developers ?
r wrote: As long as Java can be complied strait to machine code I think you meant compared here. Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
who cares if a language is compiled or interpreted as long as it runs and perform the function. second thing is : even if java is faster than python , unless you are making performance critical operations : who cares? computers are getting faster all the time and languages like python or ruby are fast enough. any comment ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
i meant fast enough for most (but not all) applications -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Transforming a str to an operator
On Aug 27, 11:35 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: In general, ‘eval’ on unsanitised input is not the answer. Yes i agree. I would use the following approach: Abviously the OP is a python baby noob and casting your irrational fear (and many others irrational fears) of eval at him is akin to tales of Chupacabras running a muck in the jungle sucking the blood from live goats in the twilight hours. I use eval all the time and quite love it. This is nothing more than a throw away academic exercise that will serve no useful purpose for him in the future, but serves the very useful purpose now of establishing an IO between the student and Python interpretor. I'll bet most your example (albeit a good example) flew miles above his head into la-la land. The OP has plenty of time to learn about malicious input and protecting against it, right now the fundamentals are well... fundamental :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
Deep_Feelings doctore...@gmail.com wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? How do you know, and why does it matter? By the way, .NET is not a language. I assume you meant C#. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Does Class implements Interface?
Emanuele D'Arrigo wrote: On Aug 27, 9:42 pm, Jonathan Gardner jgard...@jonathangardner.net wrote: Have you heard of duck typing? Yes. Ignore all those things and rely on human (aka natural language) documentation. That is, if you want to see if a class will work for an interface, go read the docs on the interface (or rather, what the function expects the interface to be) and what the class provides and see if they fit. Apologies, my fault, I didn't explain that humans are out of the loop entirely. It's only at runtime that the program obtains the class object that might or might not conform to an expected interface. In fact the program might obtain multiple objects and have to decide which one conforms best to the expected interface. Of course I could use hasattr() and the inspect module (anything else?) to find out if existing attributes and method signatures are those expected. Or I could just deal with the exceptions as they are raised. However, if I could somehow rely that the object I'm getting has the right methods and signatures I could avoid peppering the code with try/except constructs. I was just wondering then if this has been somewhat dealt with and has been wrapped in a neat package, set of functions, recipe or pattern. Manu Check out Alex Martelli's recipe 'Checking wheter an object has necessary attributes' in the Python Cookbook: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Q0s6Vgb98CQCprintsec=frontcoverdq=python+cookbook#v=onepageq=f=false http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Q0s6Vgb98CQCprintsec=frontcoverdq=python+cookbook#v=onepageq=f=false Max -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
On Aug 28, 8:27 am, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: Deep_Feelings doctore...@gmail.com wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? How do you know, and why does it matter? By the way, .NET is not a language. I assume you meant C#. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza Boekelheide, Inc. you know when you go to forums and compare the number of posts and topics ,and you know when you google and compare the number of results .NET= i meant all .NET languages -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
On Aug 27, 7:34 pm, Deep_Feelings doctore...@gmail.com wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Oh, and why on god's green would you ever compare Java (*puke*) and Python in the same breath? You say Python is a high-level-language? Well sir, i say Python is a super-high-level-language that approaches pseudo code simplicity *but* stays far enough away from it so as not to be scorched by it's asinine synonymous quirks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[issue6783] Add a builtin method to 'int' for base/radix conversion
Yuv Gre ubershme...@gmail.com added the comment: Use case - 'hashing' a counter for example like video ID's in youtube. One could use a regular int internally and publish a shorter 62-base id for links. Guido said on http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006- January/059923.html I think we ought to let this sit for a while and come back to it in a few week's time. Is 'base' really the right name? It could just as well be considered a conversion in the other direction. In common usage, 'base' and 'radix' are about synonymous (except no-one uses radix). Pethaps the 2nd argument should not be a keyword argument? Also, this discussion made me wonder if conversions using other bases than 10 should even be built-ins. A library module seems a more appropriate place I'm hoping 182 weeks of clarity could help iron this issue out. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6783 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6789] ftplib storelines does not honor strings returned in fp.readline
New submission from Ayman ayman.alsair...@gmail.com: in ftplibs.storlines, a call is done on what should be a Text stream: fp.readline() This would work in pre 3.x as it returns bytes but now that readlines returns a string, the call at lines 477 would fail: File C:\Python31\lib\ftplib.py, line 477, in storlines if buf[-1] in B_CRLF: buf = buf[:-1] TypeError: Type str doesn't support the buffer API The readline call should then be encoded(). -- components: Library (Lib) messages: 91997 nosy: aymanhs severity: normal status: open title: ftplib storelines does not honor strings returned in fp.readline type: crash versions: Python 3.1 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6789 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6784] byte/unicode pickle incompatibilities between python2 and and python3
RonnyPfannschmidt ronny.pfannschm...@gmx.de added the comment:
its even worse
python3:
import pickle
pickle.dumps(b'', protocol=2)
b'\x80\x02c__builtin__\nbytes\nq\x00]q\x01\x85q\x02Rq\x03.'
python2.6:
import pickle
pickle.loads('\x80\x02c__builtin__\nbytes\nq\x00]q\x01\x85q\x02Rq\x03.')
'[]'
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[issue6788] codecs.open on Win32 does not force binary mode
Marc-Andre Lemburg m...@egenix.com added the comment: Ryan McGuire wrote: New submission from Ryan McGuire python@enigmacurry.com: Opening a UTF-8 encoded file with unix newlines (\n) on Win32: codecs.open(whatever.txt,r,utf-8).read() replaces the newlines (\n) with CR+LF (\r\n). The docs specifically say that : Files are always opened in binary mode, even if no binary mode was specified. This is done to avoid data loss due to encodings using 8-bit values. This means that no automatic conversion of '\n' is done on reading and writing. And yet, opening the file with an explicit binary mode resolves the situation: codecs.open(whatever.txt,rb,utf-8).read() This reads the file with the original newlines unmodified. The implementation of codecs.open and the documentation are out of sync. The implementation looks like this: if encoding is not None and \ 'b' not in mode: # Force opening of the file in binary mode mode = mode + 'b' in both Python 2 and 3, so I'm not sure what could be causing this. -- nosy: +lemburg ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6788 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6733] curses line wrap broken when mixing full- and half-width unicode characters
fugounashi fugounashi+pyt...@gmail.com added the comment: thanks for looking into it this should do it: #! /usr/bin/python import locale locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') code = locale.getpreferredencoding() import curses def main(stdscr): stdscr.erase() stdscr.move(0, 0) for i in range(0,stdscr.getmaxyx()[1] - 1): stdscr.addstr(.); stdscr.addstr(u\u3007\u3007.encode(code)); stdscr.refresh() curses.wrapper(main) -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6733 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6788] codecs.open on Win32 does not force binary mode
Ryan McGuire python@enigmacurry.com added the comment: Uploading a doctest for this. The tests are successful on Linux using Python 2.6 They fail on Win32 with Python 2.6 -- Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file14788/codecs_bug.py ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6788 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6784] byte/unicode pickle incompatibilities between python2 and and python3
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: The problem with trying to solve the following issue: a bytes instance from python3 is pickled as custom class in protocols 3 is that if we pickle bytes from Python 3 as a 2.x str in protocol = 2, unpickling it using Python 3 will yield a str (unicode), not a bytes object. Therefore the whole chain (pickling then unpickling) will not be idempotent. -- components: +Library (Lib) -None nosy: +alexandre.vassalotti, gvanrossum, pitrou versions: +Python 2.7, Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6784 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6784] byte/unicode pickle incompatibilities between python2 and and python3
RonnyPfannschmidt ronny.pfannschm...@gmx.de added the comment: unpickle of any non-ascii string from python2 will break the only way out would be to ensure text strings and a single defined encoding (at that point storing unicode strings in any case seems more practical) also byte-strings stored as python2 str would break and since i pass around binary strings as parts of objects, its just completely broken for me -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6784 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3143] development docs waste a lot of horizontal space on left nav bar
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
I just did a quick test about making the sidebar collapsible.
Add these lines at the end of default.css to see how the page might look
like with the sidebar collapsed:
/* collapse the sidebar */
div.sphinxsidebar {
/* border: 3px solid red; */
width: 1em !important;
}
/* hide the content of the sidebar */
div.sphinxsidebarwrapper {
display: none;
}
/* expand the page to use the sidebar space */
div.bodywrapper{
/* border: 3px solid blue; */
margin-left: 1em !important;
}
A / button has to be added (via JS) to collapse and restore
the sidebar. The CSS properties have to be changed via JS too, the users
without JS won't notice any difference at all.
When the sidebar is collapsed, it is possible to make it appear again
clicking anywhere on the 1em-wide collapsed sidebar on the left (and not
only on the ).
The sidebar could be hidden completely by placing the / button
or an Hide/Show sidebar link in the top-left corner, but I don't know
exactly where (before the small python icon? just under it in a
floating box?).
The WebDeveloper plug-in of Firefox can be used to see the changes on
the fly (CSS - Edit CSS - paste the code at the end of default.css),
otherwise you can edit the CSS manually.
Feedback and comments appreciated.
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[issue3143] development docs waste a lot of horizontal space on left nav bar
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment: Attached a screenshot of the result. I also made the top bar fixed as described in #4965, so it's always visible even if the user scrolled till the middle of the page (this is not related to this issue and will be addressed in #4965 though). -- Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file14789/nosidebar.gif ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue3143 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3143] development docs waste a lot of horizontal space on left nav bar
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment: Another screenshot that shows the page with and without the sidebar, with a photoshopped / button. -- Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file14790/visible-vs-hidden.gif ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue3143 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue5148] gzip.open breaks with 'U' flag
Art Gillespie agill...@gmail.com added the comment: The problem appears to be that the gzip module simply doesn't support universal newlines yet. I'm currently working on the zipfile module's universal newline support (issue6759) so if nobody else is working on this, I'll do it. I'm not sure if file object's open() behavior when presented with 'rUb' is correct or not. f = open(test.txt, w).write(blah\r\nblah\rblah\nblah\r\n) f = open(test.txt, rUb) f.read() 'blah\nblah\nblah\nblah\n' Since 'U' and 'b' are conceptually mutually exclusive on platforms where 'b' matters, I can see this being confusing. -- nosy: +agillesp ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue5148 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue5329] os.popen2 and os.popen3 in python 2.6 incompatible with os.popen* in python 2.5
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[issue5329] os.popen2 and os.popen3 in python 2.6 incompatible with os.popen* in python 2.5
Jean-Paul Calderone exar...@divmod.com added the comment: Attached os-popen-list.patch which includes all of the earlier os-popen.diff and adds tests which fail without this patch and pass with it. They also pass on Python 2.5. The patch is against the Python 2.6 maintenance branch, but presumably it should be applied to trunk as well. -- nosy: +exarkun ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue5329 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6499] Can't import xmlrpclib, DocXMLRPCServer and SimpleXMLRPCServer when zlib is not available
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment: Not yet, the machine I was using to work on this is currently broken and I couldn't test the new test_docxmlrpc yet. Once I've fixed the machine and tried it I'll let you know. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6499 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6787] thread docs contain an incorrect link in a reference to the 'exit' method
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: Fixed in r74555, thanks! -- resolution: - fixed status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6787 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6784] byte/unicode pickle incompatibilities between python2 and and python3
RonnyPfannschmidt ronny.pfannschm...@gmx.de added the comment: in case the actual behavior is not supposed to change how about a way to declare one wants exact 1:1 mapping between py2py3, so strbytes and unicodestr will work for sure something like load/dump(..., encoding=bytes) just crossed my mind -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6784 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6783] Add a builtin method to 'int' for base/radix conversion
Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com added the comment: I'm hoping 182 weeks of clarity could help iron this issue out. :-) I really think should bring this up on the python-ideas mailing list[1]; it's much more likely to get resolved one way or the other if you do. [1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6783 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6508] expose setresuid
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[issue6243] getkey() can segfault in combination with curses.ungetch()
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment: Andrew - do you still feel responsible for curses? -- assignee: - akuchling nosy: +akuchling, georg.brandl ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6243 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6784] byte/unicode pickle incompatibilities between python2 and and python3
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment: how about a way to declare one wants exact 1:1 mapping between py2py3, so strbytes and unicodestr will work for sure In a sense, that's already possible. Inherit from _Pickler/_Unpickler, and replace the dispatch dict with a different mapping. I wouldn't object to supporting this with an option, though, assuming it was properly documented and implemented for both pickle and _pickle (probably along with pickletools). -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6784 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6790] httplib and array do not play together well
New submission from Jake McGuire j...@youtube.com: As of Python 2.6 you can no longer pass an array to httplib.HTTPConnection.send. Issue1065257 added code to httplib to attempt to determine whether a file-like object was passed to certain methods (e.g. send), and to stream the data if so. The patch uses hasattr(obj, 'read') as a proxy for is a file-like object. array.array objects have a method called read that is almost entirely disanalogous to the read method on a file-like object. Hilarity ensues. -- messages: 92015 nosy: jakemcguire severity: normal status: open title: httplib and array do not play together well type: behavior versions: Python 2.6 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6790 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3058] Let SimpleXMLRPCServer pass client_address to called functions.
andrew cooke and...@acooke.org added the comment: Came here wondering how best to solve this myself. I already subclass the request handler to do client validation (password etc) and it stuck me that a simpler solution would be to use thread local storage. This avoids having to modify dispatch. The disadvantage is that this uses a single global scope. I don't think it's a better solution than that suggested by samwyse for a final solution, but I thought I'd note it here because it's a simpler alternative for people needing to add a work-around, and I suspect many people aren't aware of the possibility. import _threading_local ; help(_threading_local) If this wouldn't work (maybe I've misunderstood the server threading?) then I'd appreciate someone correcting me. Thanks. -- nosy: +acooke ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue3058 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6790] httplib and array do not play together well
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment: That method of array.array has been deprecated since 1.5.1 according to the docs. Too bad nobody finished the job and removed it. Perhaps array.array could be special cased in the relevant code until the method can actually be removed. -- keywords: +easy nosy: +r.david.murray priority: - normal stage: - test needed versions: +Python 2.7, Python 3.1, Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6790 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6275] let unittest.assertRaises() return the exception object caught
Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com added the comment: Committed this much more harmless patch to the trunk as revision 74556 -- status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6275 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6745] (curses) addstr() takes str in Python 3
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment: See also issue #4787 -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6745 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6745] (curses) addstr() takes str in Python 3
Trundle andy-pyt...@hammerhartes.de added the comment: Yes, it uses a version of ncurses which supports wide characters, I checked that. I agree that using bytes instead may not be the preferred solution in Python 3. The point is, currently, it is broken if the user does not use an utf-8 environment. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6745 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6654] Add path to the xmrlpc dispatcher method
Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com added the comment: After a short discussion on python-dev (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-August/091069.html) there were no objections. On python-ideas there were no responses. Commited as revision 74558 -- resolution: - accepted status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6654 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6745] (curses) addstr() takes str in Python 3
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment: I don't really understand because your example, umlaut3x.py, works correctly on my computer (py3k, ubunty jaunty). The point is, currently, it is broken if the user does not use an utf-8 environment. So the problem is that the charset is hardcoded to utf8. You would like to be able to change that. Or better, than Python guess your terminal charset. Right? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6745 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6745] (curses) addstr() takes str in Python 3
Trundle andy-pyt...@hammerhartes.de added the comment: Of course it works for you. As you stated in issue #4787, your locale is 'fr_FR.UTF-8'. And I don't want Python to guess my terminal's encoding. I want Python to respect my locale. Which is 'de...@euro', and not utf-8. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6745 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6745] (curses) addstr() takes str in Python 3
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment: Here is a first patch to add a method setcharset() to the window class. Using my patch, you can fix your example by adding the line: screen.setcharset(your charset) before addstr(). It's an initial hack to fix the issue. Next steps are: - use something better than utf8 as the default charset, maybe locale.getpreferredencoding() - copy the charset on new window creation? -- keywords: +patch Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file14792/curses_charset.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6745 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue3143] Make the left sidebar in the doc collapsible
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[issue3143] Make the left sidebar in the doc collapsible
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment: Attached a first attempt to make the sidebar collapsible. The sidebar.js file is the JS script I did, the sidebar.zip file contains a couple of pages taken from the doc with the sidebar scripts already included in a script. If you want to try it just extract the files, open the *.html with a browser and it should work. This is not supposed to be the final version, I tested it only on FF3 (where it seems to work fine) and on IE6 (where it is as broken as you would expect). This is also the first time I use JQuery, so any comments and suggestions are welcomed (both about the code and the result). -- priority: low - normal Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file14794/sidebar.zip ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue3143 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
