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Re: Generating sin/square waves sound
On 2012-01-02, Paulo da Silva p_s_d_a_s_i_l_...@netcabo.pt wrote: Em 30-12-2011 11:23, mblume escreveu: Am Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:17:13 + schrieb Paulo da Silva: Alternatively you might just generate (t,signal) samples, write them to a file and convert them using sox (under Linux, might also be available under Windows) to another format. That's how I'd do it. Sox can cope with raw samples, provided you tell it stuff like the sample-rate, sample-size, channels etc. E.g. from man sox sox -r 16k -e signed -b 8 -c 1 voice-memo.raw voice-memo.wav (Once it's in wav form the wav header contains that information.) As much as I could understand at a 1st look you are writing to a wav file and then play the file. It would be nice if I could play directly the samples. -d as an output-file means the default output, which means it plays to your sound card. E.g.: sox -r 48k -e float -b 32 -c 2 input.raw -d The input file can be - so you can pipe directly to it: sox -r 44100 -e float -b 32 -c 2 - -d It should also run under windows and macos, and can generate lots of formats, see man soxformat. It also has a synth effect which can generate simple waveforms easily. Sox is useful. Regards, Peter -- Peter Billamwww.pjb.com.auwww.pjb.com.au/comp/contact.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: .format vs. %
On 1/1/2012 4:11 PM, Miki Tebeka wrote:
s = {0} {1} {2} {3}
s.format(1, 2, 3, 4)
'1 2 3 4'
Or even
In [4]: fmt = '{0} {1} {2} {3}'.format
In [5]: print(fmt(1, 2, 3, 4))
1 2 3 4
I have done this, except for using a more informative name, like 'emsg'
for error message.
except XError as e:
print(emsg(a,b,c,e))
makes for pretty clear code.
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Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Hi guys, I am the author of girlfriend module, a serious Python programmer. This project is nothing about sexist or racism, it is just a joke, a famous joke in China, please be cool down. And now, I have removed money, car, house packages from PyPi, and remove their dependences in girlfriend module, the website is also updated. The girlfriend module just depends on workhard module now. I will remove girlfriend module forever if you still think it is a spam or illegal. I'm sorry for that I abused the PyPi, but I should say again that it is nothing about sexist or racism as you assumption. Felinx Lee On 1/1/12 10:18 PM, Matt Chaput wrote: Someone seems to be spamming PyPI by uploading multiple stupid packages. Not sure if it's some form of advertising spam or just idiocy. Don't know if we should care though... maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages. girlfriend 1.0.110 A really simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend girlfriends 1.0 4 Girl Friends car 1.0 2 Car, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend house 1.0 2 House, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend money 1.0 2 Money, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend workhard 1.02 Keep working hard, a depended simple module that allow everyone to do import girlfriend I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny and more sexist. The author is a legitimate Python programmer, and the links go to his blog where he talks about Python stuff. https://bitbucket.org/felinx You can tell him that you don't appreciate his abuse of PyPI here if you like: http://feilong.me/2012/01/**python-import-girlfriendhttp://feilong.me/2012/01/python-import-girlfriend -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- What can change the nature of a man?(Planescape Torment) http://feilong.meFelinx Lee's Blog (Chinese Only) http://www.zhimaq.com IT QA (Chinese Only) http://poweredsites.org What powered your sites? PHP, Ruby or Python? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't write to a directory made w/ os.makedirs
On 02/01/2012 03:14, David Goldsmith wrote: Here's my script, in case that helps: It certainly does. A few things occur to me. First, you shouldn't need to double-quote the path; the subprocess.call should do that for you as long as you're using the list version of the param -- which you are. Second, you almost certainly don't want to be using the env param, at least not in the way you are. Depending on the way in which your app runs, either pass the appropriate directory as the cwd= param, or copy and override the current environ dict, ie either do this: subprocess.call ( ['c:/program files/somewhere/app.exe', 'blah1', 'blah2'], cwd=c:/somewhere/else ) or this: env = dict (os.environ) env['PATH'] = c:/somewhere/else # or env['PATH'] += ;c:/somewhere/else subprocess.call ( ['c:/program files/somewhere/app.exe', 'blah1', 'blah2'], env=env ) See if any of that helps TJG -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Hi, On 2012-01-02 11:03:25 +, Felinx Lee said: I am the author of girlfriend module, a serious Python programmer. This project is nothing about sexist or racism, it is just a joke, a famous joke in China, please be cool down. Yeah, quite funny. Why not put this on an own web server? And now, I have removed money, car, house packages from PyPi, and remove their dependences in girlfriend module, the website is also updated. The girlfriend module just depends on workhard module now. I will remove girlfriend module forever if you still think it is a spam or illegal. I think it's fucking spam. Please remove this crap. kthxbye Kai -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On 02/01/2012 11:03, Felinx Lee wrote: The girlfriend module just depends on workhard module now. I will remove girlfriend module forever if you still think it is a spam or illegal. What is the point of these packages? Why do they exist? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. -- Felinx Lee -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Hi, On 2012-01-02 11:03:25 +, Felinx Lee said: I am the author of girlfriend module, a serious Python programmer. This project is nothing about sexist or racism, it is just a joke, a famous joke in China, please be cool down. Yeah, quite funny. Why not put this on an own web server? And now, I have removed money, car, house packages from PyPi, and remove their dependences in girlfriend module, the website is also updated. The girlfriend module just depends on workhard module now. I will remove girlfriend module forever if you still think it is a spam or illegal. I think it's fucking spam. Please remove this crap. OK, Removed. I apologize again. kthxbye Kai -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 02:52:06 -0500, Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even know what the package does? The dependencies are car, house, and money (and workhard, of course). The joke being that women only care about how wealthy you are. That's not a joke, it's a stereotype - and a stereotype with a biological truth in it. DaveM -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Peter Otten __pete...@web.de wrote: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( There's nothing wrong with cracking jokes, but sometimes a large central repository is the wrong place for them. If I made a joke package whose name happened to be very similar to some other package, then no matter how funny and non-offensive the joke is, it would be a poor submission to PyPI. But that's not thought police; there are plenty of other avenues for publication. Felinx Lee still has the freedom to think his joke, to write his joke in code, and to share his joke with others - but other people have the freedom to get offended when it's published in places that they think are racist, or whatever it was. (I never did follow how sexism is somehow a subset of racism, to be honest. Are women a different race from nerds?) Chris Angelico -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
On 23 Δεκ 2011, 19:14, Νικόλαος Κούρας nikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 Äåê, 12:41, becky_lewis bex.le...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any possibility that you can tell us what the script actually is or provide a code listing (use pastebin if it's big)? The script is about retrieving and storing the visitros hostnames to mysql database creating a log file. I dont know why this line host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )[0] fails sometimes and some other times works ok retrieving the hostnames correctly. What do you understand from the traceback?! Please i need some help. My webpage doesn't work due to this error... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
Am 02.01.2012 14:25, schrieb Νικόλαος Κούρας: On 23 Δεκ 2011, 19:14, Νικόλαος Κούραςnikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: I dont know why this line host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )[0] fails sometimes and some other times works ok retrieving the hostnames correctly. Please i need some help. My webpage doesn't work due to this error... The error herror: (1, ...) says it all: the DNS-name (i.e., the something.in-addr.arpa name) you're trying to resolve is unknown. Not all hosts (or rather, IPs) on the internet have reverse lookups: try the IP 81.14.209.35 from which I'm posting, and dig/nslookup will tell you that it has no reverse resolution, which would result in gethostbyaddr() throwing an herror-instance. Basically: make the reverse lookup conditional by wrapping it in a try:/except herror: and assigning an appropriate default for host in case reverse lookup fails. -- --- Heiko. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't write to a directory made w/ os.makedirs
On 01/01/2012 10:14 PM, David Goldsmith wrote:
On Jan 1, 7:05 am, Tim Goldenm...@timgolden.me.uk wrote:
On 01/01/2012 12:05, David Goldsmith wrote:
ie can the Python process creating the directories,
Yes.
and a subprocess called from it create a simple file?
No.
Depending on where you are in the filesystem, it may indeed
be necessary to be running as administrator. But don't try
to crack every security nut with an elevated sledgehammer.
If you mean running as admin., those were my sentiments exactly. So,
there isn't something specific I should be doing to assure that my
subproceses can write to directories?
In the general case, no. By default, a subprocess will have
the same security context as its parent. The exception is
where the parent (the Python processing invoking subprocess.call
in this example) is already impersonating a different user;
in that case, the subprocess will inherit its grandparent's
context.
But unless you're doing something very deliberate here then
I doubt if that's biting you.
Can I ask: are you absolutely certain that the processes
you're calling are doing what you think they are and failing
where you think they're failing?
TJG
I'm a mathematician: the only thing I'm absolutely certain of is
nothing.
Here's my script, in case that helps:
import os
import sys
import stat
import os.path as op
import subprocess as sub
from os import remove
from os import listdir as ls
from os import makedirs as mkdir
def doFlac2Mp3(arg, d, fl):
if '.flac' in [f[-5:] for f in fl]:
newD = d.replace('FLACS', 'MP3s')
mkdir(newD)
for f in fl:
if f[-5:]=='.flac':
root = f.replace('.flac', '')
cmd = ['C:\\Program Files (x86)\\aTunes\\win_tools\
\flac.exe -d ' +
'--output-prefix=' + newD + '\\', f]
res = sub.call(cmd)#, env={'PATH': os.defpath})
if not res:
cmd = ['C:\\Program Files (x86)\\aTunes\\win_tools
\\lame.exe -h',
newD + root + '.wav', newD + root +
'.mp3']
res = sub.call(cmd)#, env={'PATH': os.defpath})
if not res:
rf = newD + root + '.wav'
remove(rf)
top=sys.argv[1]
op.walk(top, doFlac2Mp3, None)
The line cmd= is bogus. You're trying to run a program with a -h after
the filename. The reason you're passing a list to sub.call is to
separate the parameters from the program name, not to mention with
quotes in its name. So the -h has to be a separate list item.
(Although Windows will probably handle it correctly if you combine the
-h with the FOLLOWING argument, it's still bad practice]
cmd = [ c:\\program files \\lame.exe, -h, newD + root + .
--
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Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
On 2 Ιαν, 16:00, Heiko Wundram modeln...@modelnine.org wrote: Am 02.01.2012 14:25, schrieb Νικόλαος Κούρας: On 23 Δεκ 2011, 19:14, Νικόλαος Κούραςnikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: I dont know why this line host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )[0] fails sometimes and some other times works ok retrieving the hostnames correctly. Please i need some help. My webpage doesn't work due to this error... The error herror: (1, ...) says it all: the DNS-name (i.e., the something.in-addr.arpa name) you're trying to resolve is unknown. Not all hosts (or rather, IPs) on the internet have reverse lookups: try the IP 81.14.209.35 from which I'm posting, and dig/nslookup will tell you that it has no reverse resolution, which would result in gethostbyaddr() throwing an herror-instance. I see Basically: make the reverse lookup conditional by wrapping it in a try:/except herror: and assigning an appropriate default for host in case reverse lookup fails. Can tou show me how to write this please? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
In article 6b787f23-5813-4831-a349-02883f564...@q7g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, ÃΪëûÏÎ»Î±Î¿Ï ÎοÏÏÎ±Ï nikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 ÃÃÃΩÃÎ¥, 16:00, Heiko Wundram modeln...@modelnine.org wrote: Am 02.01.2012 14:25, schrieb ÃΪëûÏÎ»Î±Î¿Ï ÎοÏÏαÏ: On 23 Îεκ 2011, 19:14, ÎικÏÎ»Î±Î¿Ï ÎοÏÏαÏnikos.kou...@gmail.com  wrote: I dont know why this line host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )[0] fails sometimes and some other times works ok retrieving the hostnames correctly. Please i need some help. My webpage doesn't work due to this error... The error herror: (1, ...) says it all: the DNS-name (i.e., the something.in-addr.arpa name) you're trying to resolve is unknown. Not all hosts (or rather, IPs) on the internet have reverse lookups: try the IP 81.14.209.35 from which I'm posting, and dig/nslookup will tell you that it has no reverse resolution, which would result in gethostbyaddr() throwing an herror-instance. I see Basically: make the reverse lookup conditional by wrapping it in a try:/except herror: and assigning an appropriate default for host in case reverse lookup fails. Can tou show me how to write this please? try: host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )[0] except socket.herror: host = unknown host -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
Am 22.12.2011 15:40 schrieb Νικόλαος Κούρας: Hello when i try to visit my webpage i get the error it displays. Iam not posting it since you can see it by visiting my webpage at http://superhost.gr Please if you can tell me what might be wrong. What is wrong on this site? Mainly the unwanted sound. Are you trying to sell something? Then you should try not to scare your potential customers away. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python education survey
On 2012-01-01, Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de wrote: On 01.01.2012 03:36, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-12-31, Alexander Kappsalex.ka...@web.de wrote: On 31.12.2011 19:23, Roy Smith wrote: Why do I waste my time reading your pretentious self-important nonsense? http://xkcd.com/386/ ;) Why ROFLMAO when double-plus funny works just as well? xkcd/386 has been the excuse for replying to RR for ages and I still don't understand why he gets that much advertence. Charity? Sympathy for the lone and broken? Sadly, RR's post are often (in the supposed words of Wolfgang Pauli) not even wrong. I'm sure, RR is now jumping up high in rapture for being compared to high-profile scientist geniuses. I'm not comparing RR to Pauli. I'm quoting somethin Pauli said when criticising something that was so confusing and ill conceived that it wasn't even wrong. -- Grant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Generating sin/square waves sound
On 01/02/2012 02:24 AM, Paulo da Silva wrote: Em 30-12-2011 10:05, Dave Angel escreveu: On 12/30/2011 02:17 AM, Paulo da Silva wrote: Hi, Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have googled and didn't find any satisfatory answer. Is there a simple way, preferably multiplataform (or linux), of generating sinusoidal/square waves sound in python? Thanks for any answers/suggestions. If you're willing to be Linux-only, then I believe you can do it without any extra libraries. You build up a string (8 bit char, on Python 2.x) of samples, and write it to /dev/audio. When i experimented, I was only interested in a few seconds, so a single write was all I needed. Note that the samples are 8 bits, and they are offset by 128. So a zero signal would be a string of 128 values. A very quiet square wave might be a bunch of 126, followed by a bunch of 130. and so on. And the loudest might be a bunch of 2's followed by a bunch of 253's. You'll have to experiment with data rate; The data is sent out at a constant rate from your string, but I don't know what that rate is. This sounds nice, but then is 8 bits the limit for /dev/audio? What about stereo? I don't need this one ... just for curiosity. Thanks. I don't even remember where I got the information, but it sufficed for my needs. I wanted to be able to generate arbitrary tones at a high volume, bypassing any volume control system settings. I assume there's some way (ioctl ?) to tell the device to interpret differently. It's even possible that it's already stereo (left/right samples stored in adjacent 16bit locations -- it wouldn't change the effect I hear, except for the frequency being cut in half. Interesting link from1991, it's from Guido, but doesn't mention Python http://wiretap.area.com/Gopher/Library/Techdoc/Misc/audiofor.faq Also, a lot has changed since then. Now I wonder whether I should be sending u-law values, rather than linear ones. I'm generating sine waves, and they don't really sound flutelike. This link probably has all our answers. http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO.html I suspect that my approach will simply use the latest setup values (eg. sampling rate) and thus runs the risk of sometimes not working. That hasn't been my experience, The only problem I see is that sometimes the device is busy. When that happens, other programs don't seem to work either. I need to find the rogue process which is hogging the device, using fuser. -- DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On 01/02/2012 11:20 PM, Peter Otten wrote: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( I think the community has a right to defend themselves against trolls. If it's just bad naming, we can probably just laugh it off; but when a failed joke spans a half dozen module and just opens a browser to his website, there is no value for it to stay at PyPI. Additionally, it may fuel copycats: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/kimwoohyeon1/1.3.0 (do anyone have any idea who submitted that one?) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Generating sin/square waves sound
Em 30-12-2011 07:17, Paulo da Silva escreveu: Hi, Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have googled and didn't find any satisfatory answer. Is there a simple way, preferably multiplataform (or linux), of generating sinusoidal/square waves sound in python? Thanks for any answers/suggestions. Thank you very much to all who responded. There is enough material here to spend some time searching for the best solution for me. In the meanwhile I also found http://www.speech.kth.se/snack. May be it could also be useful. Thank you. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: InvalidResponseError: headers must be str
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:40:15 -0800 (PST), Niklas Rosencrantz wrote: Thanks for the replies here. I will have patience but this bug is blocking my integration efforts. I tried logging the TCP packets with tcpdump and nothing special appeared. Well, it's free software, isn't it? You may either wait a little, fix it yourself or pay someone to fix it for you, if you're in a hurry. Or stay with 2.5 / try upgrading to 3.x. The Python community is usually very helpful and friendly, but by *demanding a fix ASAP you may accidentily step on people's toes :-) Best regards, Waldek -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
On 2 Ιαν, 17:49, Thomas Rachel nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5- a470-7603bd3aa...@spamschutz.glglgl.de wrote: Am 22.12.2011 15:40 schrieb Νικόλαος Κούρας: Hello when i try to visit my webpage i get the error it displays. Iam not posting it since you can see it by visiting my webpage at http://superhost.gr Please if you can tell me what might be wrong. What is wrong on this site? Mainly the unwanted sound. Are you trying to sell something? Then you should try not to scare your potential customers away. I'am trying to present myself through my webpage as computer tech. Is the background music so bad?! :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
On 2 Ιαν, 17:47, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article 6b787f23-5813-4831-a349-02883f564...@q7g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, ÉΪÉ«É»όλαος Κούρας nikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 ÉßÉΩÉΥ, 16:00, Heiko Wundram modeln...@modelnine.org wrote: Am 02.01.2012 14:25, schrieb ÉΪÉ«É»όλαος Κούρας: On 23 Δεκ 2011, 19:14, Νικόλαος Κούραςnikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: I dont know why this line host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )[0] fails sometimes and some other times works ok retrieving the hostnames correctly. Please i need some help. My webpage doesn't work due to this error... The error herror: (1, ...) says it all: the DNS-name (i.e., the something.in-addr.arpa name) you're trying to resolve is unknown. Not all hosts (or rather, IPs) on the internet have reverse lookups: try the IP 81.14.209.35 from which I'm posting, and dig/nslookup will tell you that it has no reverse resolution, which would result in gethostbyaddr() throwing an herror-instance. I see Basically: make the reverse lookup conditional by wrapping it in a try:/except herror: and assigning an appropriate default for host in case reverse lookup fails. Can tou show me how to write this please? try: host = socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] )[0] except socket.herror: host = unknown host Thank you very much. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
In article bacea15d-fae0-4b1f-8a8e-a8b06b561...@t30g2000vbx.googlegroups.com, ÃΪëûÏÎ»Î±Î¿Ï ÎοÏÏÎ±Ï nikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: I'am trying to present myself through my webpage as computer tech. Is the background music so bad?! :-) Yes. Background music on web sites is evil. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: readline for mac python? (really, reproducing mac python packages)
On 1/1/12 19:04 , K Richard Pixley wrote: On 1/1/12 16:49 , K Richard Pixley wrote: I'm having trouble finding a reasonable python environment on mac. The supplied binaries, (2.7.2, 3.2.2), are built with old versions of macosx and are not capable of building any third party packages that require gcc. The source builds easily enough out of the box, (./configure --enable-framework make sudo make install), but when I do that, I end up with a python interpreter that lacks readline. How do I get readline involved? Or better... is there an instruction sheet somewhere on how to reproduce the python.org binary packages? --rich Bah. I just needed to dig a little deeper into the source. All the doc I wanted is in there. Well, partial victory. 2.7.2 builds. 3.2 doesn't. --rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python3 on MacOsX Lion?
Where would I look to find the current expected status of python3 on MacOsX Lion? The distributed binaries aren't capable of allowing extensions that use gcc. I can build the source naked, but then it lacks some libraries, notably, readline. Attempting to build the full Mac packages fails, even with the few tiny patches I used for 2.7.2. Is anyone working on this? Are there pre-release patches available? Should I be asking elsewhere? --rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Peter Otten __pete...@web.de writes: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. -- \ “I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or | `\anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic.” —Albert | _o__)Einstein, unsent letter, 1955 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
On 2 Ιαν, 20:42, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article bacea15d-fae0-4b1f-8a8e-a8b06b561...@t30g2000vbx.googlegroups.com, ÉΪÉ«É»όλαος Κούρας nikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: I'am trying to present myself through my webpage as computer tech. Is the background music so bad?! :-) Yes. Background music on web sites is evil. Evil?!?! How come? :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
On 2 Ιαν, 20:42, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article bacea15d-fae0-4b1f-8a8e-a8b06b561...@t30g2000vbx.googlegroups.com, ÉΪÉ«É»όλαος Κούρας nikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: I'am trying to present myself through my webpage as computer tech. Is the background music so bad?! :-) Yes. Background music on web sites is evil. Evil?!?! How come? :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: socket.gethostbyaddr( os.environ['REMOTE_ADDR'] error
In article 24123dfe-b2fc-4f4c-8dfe-23bfef19b...@m10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com, ÃΪëûÏÎ»Î±Î¿Ï ÎοÏÏÎ±Ï nikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 ÃÃÃΩÃÎ¥, 20:42, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article bacea15d-fae0-4b1f-8a8e-a8b06b561...@t30g2000vbx.googlegroups.com, â ÃΪëûÏÎ»Î±Î¿Ï ÎοÏÏÎ±Ï nikos.kou...@gmail.com wrote: I'am trying to present myself through my webpage as computer tech. Is the background music so bad?! :-) Yes.  Background music on web sites is evil. Evil?!?! How come? :) Because people hate going to web sites and having background music start to play. But, there are better fora than here for discussions of web site best practices. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. A module named girlfriend won't amplify anyone's prejudice. It is, at that point, just a joke. The punchline is import girlfriend, and the joke makes fun of geeky losers, not women. But, hey, inertia. As long as we're trying to make this dude get rid of the offensive part, might as well get rid of the rest too. Why not make him get rid of everything he's written, too? Woo, party time! -- Devin On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Peter Otten __pete...@web.de writes: Felinx Lee wrote: I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever, I apologize for that. The thought police has won :( Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. -- \ “I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or | `\ anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic.” —Albert | _o__) Einstein, unsent letter, 1955 | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python3 on MacOsX Lion?
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:32 PM, K Richard Pixley r...@noir.com wrote: Where would I look to find the current expected status of python3 on MacOsX Lion? The distributed binaries aren't capable of allowing extensions that use gcc. I can build the source naked, but then it lacks some libraries, notably, readline. Attempting to build the full Mac packages fails, even with the few tiny patches I used for 2.7.2. Is anyone working on this? Are there pre-release patches available? Should I be asking elsewhere? --rich -- Have you tried building through Macports? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python3 on MacOsX Lion?
On 1/2/12 13:03 , Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:32 PM, K Richard Pixleyr...@noir.com wrote: Where would I look to find the current expected status of python3 on MacOsX Lion? The distributed binaries aren't capable of allowing extensions that use gcc. I can build the source naked, but then it lacks some libraries, notably, readline. Attempting to build the full Mac packages fails, even with the few tiny patches I used for 2.7.2. Is anyone working on this? Are there pre-release patches available? Should I be asking elsewhere? --rich -- Have you tried building through Macports? No, I haven't. Macports scares me. When I tried them, or fink, in the past, they rapidly polluted my boot disk and I didn't have any way to unpollute it other than reloading from scratch. In freebsd, netbsd, or any of the linux distributions, I can trivially create a virtual machine in about 20 minutes, screw with it as I like, and toss it in seconds. In modern linux, I can create a root file system with btrfs, snapshot, chroot to the snapshot and munge away. When I'm done, I can just toss the snapshot. (Can do snapshots in vmware too). If I screw up my boot drive in MacOsX, I'm in for hours of recovery time reloading from Time Machine. While that's a lot better than it used to be now that Time Machine is available, (reloading can now be done largely unattended), it's not a price I'm willing to pay in order to attempt to use Macports. --rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com writes: Nonsense. Felinx is free to make sexist jokes, and others are free to howl him down when he does so. PyPI has no obligation to be a platform to amplify anyone's prejudice. A module named girlfriend won't amplify anyone's prejudice. It is, at that point, just a joke. I agree that it's a joke. It is a joke at the expense of women: promoting the view that, like a car or a house (the other modules that were part of the joke), a girlfriend is a possession to be acquired. The punchline is import girlfriend Yes, exactly. The next time someone asks why the ratio of women becoming programmers is disproportionately low, please recall episodes where men here give defenses of jokes that objectify women. Instead, the more we marginalise sexism and reject normalising it through sexist jokes, the safer this community can become for anyone of any sex. -- \ “If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting | `\ them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good | _o__)reason.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
On 1/2/12 8:56 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: But, hey, inertia. As long as we're trying to make this dude get rid of the offensive part, might as well get rid of the rest too. Why not make him get rid of everything he's written, too? Because that's something that no one desires, nor is it the logical conclusion of anything that anyone has expressed here. Please don't invent strawmen. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: .format vs. %
Andrew Berg wrote: On 12/31/2011 12:19 PM, davidfx wrote: Should we always be using .format() for formatting strings or %? %-style formatting will eventually go away, but probably not for a long time. %-style formatting isn't going away. ~Ethan~ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python3 on MacOsX Lion?
Hi Rich! Why don't you ask the maintainer who built the macport?! Why don't you try to to figure out with WHAT kind of tools they have built the mac port and WHERE to get them either. And ask him also how to set the flags to build the 64bit edition. Then you don't have to be afraid of any prebuild mac port editions. This is how I would do it. Tamer Am 02.01.2012 22:23, schrieb K Richard Pixley: On 1/2/12 13:03 , Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:32 PM, K Richard Pixleyr...@noir.com wrote: Where would I look to find the current expected status of python3 on MacOsX Lion? The distributed binaries aren't capable of allowing extensions that use gcc. I can build the source naked, but then it lacks some libraries, notably, readline. Attempting to build the full Mac packages fails, even with the few tiny patches I used for 2.7.2. Is anyone working on this? Are there pre-release patches available? Should I be asking elsewhere? --rich -- Have you tried building through Macports? No, I haven't. Macports scares me. When I tried them, or fink, in the past, they rapidly polluted my boot disk and I didn't have any way to unpollute it other than reloading from scratch. In freebsd, netbsd, or any of the linux distributions, I can trivially create a virtual machine in about 20 minutes, screw with it as I like, and toss it in seconds. In modern linux, I can create a root file system with btrfs, snapshot, chroot to the snapshot and munge away. When I'm done, I can just toss the snapshot. (Can do snapshots in vmware too). If I screw up my boot drive in MacOsX, I'm in for hours of recovery time reloading from Time Machine. While that's a lot better than it used to be now that Time Machine is available, (reloading can now be done largely unattended), it's not a price I'm willing to pay in order to attempt to use Macports. --rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Avoid race condition with Popen.send_signal
Hi all. When a subprocess is running, it can be sent a signal with the send_signal method : process = Popen( args) process.send_signal(signal.SIGINT) If the SIGINT is sent while the process has already finished, an error is raised : File /usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py, line 1457, in send_signal os.kill(self.pid, sig) OSError: [Errno 3] Aucun processus de ce type To avoid this, I can check that the process is still alive : process = Popen( args) process.poll() if (None == process.returncode): process.send_signal(signal.SIGINT) It makes safer, but there is still an issue if the process ends between poll() and send_signal(). What is the clean way to avoid this race condition ? Should I use try/except to catch the error or is there a more elegant way to go ? Thanks. -- Jérôme -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Avoid race condition with Popen.send_signal
On 02/01/2012 23:09, Jérôme wrote: Hi all. When a subprocess is running, it can be sent a signal with the send_signal method : process = Popen( args) process.send_signal(signal.SIGINT) If the SIGINT is sent while the process has already finished, an error is raised : File /usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py, line 1457, in send_signal os.kill(self.pid, sig) OSError: [Errno 3] Aucun processus de ce type To avoid this, I can check that the process is still alive : process = Popen( args) process.poll() if (None == process.returncode): process.send_signal(signal.SIGINT) It makes safer, but there is still an issue if the process ends between poll() and send_signal(). What is the clean way to avoid this race condition ? Should I use try/except to catch the error or is there a more elegant way to go ? I think that catching the exception is probably the most Pythonic way. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
Because that's something that no one desires, nor is it the logical conclusion of anything that anyone has expressed here. Please don't invent strawmen. You're right, sorry. I let myself say something dumb. I'll try not to do it again. -- Devin On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/2/12 8:56 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: But, hey, inertia. As long as we're trying to make this dude get rid of the offensive part, might as well get rid of the rest too. Why not make him get rid of everything he's written, too? Because that's something that no one desires, nor is it the logical conclusion of anything that anyone has expressed here. Please don't invent strawmen. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Avoid race condition with Popen.send_signal
On Jan 2, 6:09 pm, Jérôme jer...@jolimont.fr wrote: Hi all. When a subprocess is running, it can be sent a signal with the send_signal method : process = Popen( args) process.send_signal(signal.SIGINT) If the SIGINT is sent while the process has already finished, an error is raised : File /usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py, line 1457, in send_signal os.kill(self.pid, sig) OSError: [Errno 3] Aucun processus de ce type To avoid this, I can check that the process is still alive : process = Popen( args) process.poll() if (None == process.returncode): process.send_signal(signal.SIGINT) It makes safer, but there is still an issue if the process ends between poll() and send_signal(). What is the clean way to avoid this race condition ? The fundamental race condition cannot be removed nor avoided. Ideally, avoid the need to send the subprocess a signal in the first place. If it cannot be avoided, then trap the exception. Adam -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Avoid race condition with Popen.send_signal
I think that catching the exception is probably the most Pythonic way. It's the only correct way. -- Devin On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:51 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 02/01/2012 23:09, Jérôme wrote: Hi all. When a subprocess is running, it can be sent a signal with the send_signal method : process = Popen( args) process.send_signal(signal.SIGINT) If the SIGINT is sent while the process has already finished, an error is raised : File /usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py, line 1457, in send_signal os.kill(self.pid, sig) OSError: [Errno 3] Aucun processus de ce type To avoid this, I can check that the process is still alive : process = Popen( args) process.poll() if (None == process.returncode): process.send_signal(signal.SIGINT) It makes safer, but there is still an issue if the process ends between poll() and send_signal(). What is the clean way to avoid this race condition ? Should I use try/except to catch the error or is there a more elegant way to go ? I think that catching the exception is probably the most Pythonic way. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Idiot-proof installs for python+pygame+pyopenal+app
On Jan 2, 1:58 pm, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote: I'm looking at developing some tools that involve pygame+pyopenal and would like to make cross-platform distribution as painless as possible. Hey Tim, I don't have an answer, sorry, just two suggestions: 1. Maybe PyInstaller could be useful: http://www.pyinstaller.org/ 2. Also ask on the Pygame mailing list: http://pygame.org/wiki/info Good luck! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Avoid race condition with Popen.send_signal
On 02Jan2012 20:31, Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com wrote: | I think that catching the exception is probably the most Pythonic way. | | It's the only correct way. Indeed, but be precise - chek that it _is_ error 3, or more portably, errno.ESRCH. POSIX probably mandates that that is a 3, but the symbol should track the local system if it differs. Example: import errno ... try: ...signal... except OSError, e: if e.errno == errno.ESRCH: pass # or maybe an info log message else: raise # something else wrong - raise exception anyway Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ WHATS A K3WL D00D AND WH3R3 CAN 1 G3T S0M3!!! - Darren Embry -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: .format vs. %
On Jan 2, 4:00 pm, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: %-style formatting isn't going away. You may want to freshen up on the definition of deprecation. If it was NOT going away, why the need to deprecate it? hmm? It would be more beneficial if you DO NOT encourage continued usage of this end- of-life feature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecation -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: .format vs. %
On Dec 31 2011, 12:19 pm, davidfx dgeorge2...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I just have a quick question about .format and %r %s %d. Should we always be using .format() for formatting strings or %? ALWAYS use the format method over the old and dumpy string interpolation. Why? Well because the format method is so much more powerful, elegant, and the way of the future. Some might argue that format is slower than interpolation (and i can't comment in favor of either) HOWEVER, if speed is your concern than interpolation is NOT the answer. If I wanted to put .format into a variable, how would I do that. That question has been answered many times in this thread already. You may find the format spec to be cryptic at first. Well, most find regexes cryptic also -- but would anyone recommend NOT using regexes just because of crypti-ness? I think not. It's a non-starter. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python3 on MacOsX Lion?
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Rich! Why don't you ask the maintainer who built the macport?! Why don't you try to to figure out with WHAT kind of tools they have built the mac port and WHERE to get them either. And ask him also how to set the flags to build the 64bit edition. Then you don't have to be afraid of any prebuild mac port editions. This is how I would do it. Tamer That's not quite how Macports works. Macports is a package manager. Each package has a port file with (among other things) 1) A location to download the source tarball 2) A list of patches to apply 3) A list of dependencies 4) Sets of config arguments and build scripts for different variants Richard, if something goes wrong with Macports, nuking /opt/local does a pretty good job of cleaning it up. And even if you don't want to use Macports, you can still grab their patches. They're all here: http://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/lang/python32. You can dig through the portfile to see what patches and config flags they're using to build it. Am 02.01.2012 22:23, schrieb K Richard Pixley: On 1/2/12 13:03 , Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:32 PM, K Richard Pixleyr...@noir.com wrote: Where would I look to find the current expected status of python3 on MacOsX Lion? The distributed binaries aren't capable of allowing extensions that use gcc. I can build the source naked, but then it lacks some libraries, notably, readline. Attempting to build the full Mac packages fails, even with the few tiny patches I used for 2.7.2. Is anyone working on this? Are there pre-release patches available? Should I be asking elsewhere? --rich -- Have you tried building through Macports? No, I haven't. Macports scares me. When I tried them, or fink, in the past, they rapidly polluted my boot disk and I didn't have any way to unpollute it other than reloading from scratch. In freebsd, netbsd, or any of the linux distributions, I can trivially create a virtual machine in about 20 minutes, screw with it as I like, and toss it in seconds. In modern linux, I can create a root file system with btrfs, snapshot, chroot to the snapshot and munge away. When I'm done, I can just toss the snapshot. (Can do snapshots in vmware too). If I screw up my boot drive in MacOsX, I'm in for hours of recovery time reloading from Time Machine. While that's a lot better than it used to be now that Time Machine is available, (reloading can now be done largely unattended), it's not a price I'm willing to pay in order to attempt to use Macports. --rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't write to a directory made w/ os.makedirs
On Jan 2, 6:09 am, Dave Angel d...@davea.name wrote:
On 01/01/2012 10:14 PM, David Goldsmith wrote:
On Jan 1, 7:05 am, Tim Goldenm...@timgolden.me.uk wrote:
On 01/01/2012 12:05, David Goldsmith wrote:
ie can the Python process creating the directories,
Yes.
and a subprocess called from it create a simple file?
No.
Depending on where you are in the filesystem, it may indeed
be necessary to be running as administrator. But don't try
to crack every security nut with an elevated sledgehammer.
If you mean running as admin., those were my sentiments exactly. So,
there isn't something specific I should be doing to assure that my
subproceses can write to directories?
In the general case, no. By default, a subprocess will have
the same security context as its parent. The exception is
where the parent (the Python processing invoking subprocess.call
in this example) is already impersonating a different user;
in that case, the subprocess will inherit its grandparent's
context.
But unless you're doing something very deliberate here then
I doubt if that's biting you.
Can I ask: are you absolutely certain that the processes
you're calling are doing what you think they are and failing
where you think they're failing?
TJG
I'm a mathematician: the only thing I'm absolutely certain of is
nothing.
Here's my script, in case that helps:
import os
import sys
import stat
import os.path as op
import subprocess as sub
from os import remove
from os import listdir as ls
from os import makedirs as mkdir
def doFlac2Mp3(arg, d, fl):
if '.flac' in [f[-5:] for f in fl]:
newD = d.replace('FLACS', 'MP3s')
mkdir(newD)
for f in fl:
if f[-5:]=='.flac':
root = f.replace('.flac', '')
cmd = ['C:\\Program Files (x86)\\aTunes\\win_tools\
\flac.exe -d ' +
'--output-prefix=' + newD + '\\', f]
res = sub.call(cmd)#, env={'PATH': os.defpath})
if not res:
cmd = ['C:\\Program Files (x86)\\aTunes\\win_tools
\\lame.exe -h',
newD + root + '.wav', newD + root +
'.mp3']
res = sub.call(cmd)#, env={'PATH': os.defpath})
if not res:
rf = newD + root + '.wav'
remove(rf)
top=sys.argv[1]
op.walk(top, doFlac2Mp3, None)
The line cmd= is bogus. You're trying to run a program with a -h after
the filename. The reason you're passing a list to sub.call is to
separate the parameters from the program name, not to mention with
quotes in its name. So the -h has to be a separate list item.
(Although Windows will probably handle it correctly if you combine the
-h with the FOLLOWING argument, it's still bad practice]
cmd = [ c:\\program files \\lame.exe, -h, newD + root + .
--
DaveA
Thanks, this is the kind of feedback I was hoping for--the
documentation for subprocess.call is notably sparing to put it
politely. However, having not yet tried it, I'm skeptical, as what
doc there is says:
subprocess.call(args, *, stdin=None, stdout=None, stderr=None,
shell=False)
Run the command described by args. Wait for command to complete,
then return the returncode attribute.
The arguments shown above are merely the most common ones,
described below in Frequently Used Arguments (hence the slightly odd
notation in the abbreviated signature). The full function signature is
the same as that of the Popen constructor - this functions passes all
supplied arguments directly through to that interface.
:
:
class subprocess.Popen(args, bufsize=0, executable=None, stdin=None,
stdout=None, stderr=None, preexec_fn=None, close_fds=False,
shell=False, cwd=None, env=None, universal_newlines=False,
startupinfo=None, creationflags=0)
Arguments are:
args should be a string, or a sequence of program arguments...On
Windows: the Popen class uses CreateProcess() to execute the child
child program, which operates on strings. If args is a sequence, it
will be converted to a string in a manner described in Converting an
argument sequence to a string on Windows. Thus I didn't really see
the point of separating out the -h string--which tells lame to use
high quality encoding--into another sequence element, but as per your
advice, I'll try it (along with Tim's and MRAB's suggestions; I'll
report back what works).
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax
On Dec 27 2011, 8:01 pm, Eelco hoogendoorn.ee...@gmail.com wrote: But I consider it a reasonable change for a 'python 4', or whatever the next major version change will be called. You do realise there were 8 years between 2 3? You might be waiting for quite some time. Conversely, you could pitch in behind Rick Johnson's Python 4000 fork, I sure it's progressing nicely given how long Rick has been talking it up. Writing a code-conversion tool to convert from *args to args::tuple would be quite easy indeed. You might want to ask people maintaining libraries in both 2.x 3.x via 2to3 just how well that's working out for them. If the impact of changes was trivially obvious, the programming landscape would look very different indeed. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Avoid race condition with Popen.send_signal
On Jan 2, 8:44 pm, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: On 02Jan2012 20:31, Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com wrote: | I think that catching the exception is probably the most Pythonic way. | | It's the only correct way. Indeed, but be precise - chek that it _is_ error 3, or more portably, errno.ESRCH. POSIX probably mandates that that is a 3, but the symbol should track the local system if it differs. Example: No. It is possible (however unlikely) for EPERM to be legitimately returned in this case. Anything other than EINVAL should be interpreted as The child process is dead. Hence why you should avoid sending the signal in the first place: the situations where you don't run the risk of possibly killing an innocent bystander are pretty narrow. While unlikely on modern UNiX and Linux, IMO it's best to avoid the issue altogether whenever possible. Adam -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: .format vs. %
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:51:48 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: You may find the format spec to be cryptic at first. Well, most find regexes cryptic also -- but would anyone recommend NOT using regexes just because of crypti-ness? I think not. It's a non-starter. I would. If you have a task that doesn't *need* a regular expression solution, don't use a regular expression. For what it's worth, I like the syntax of % formatting. It's nice and simple and compact while still being readable. format() is more powerful, but when I don't need that power, I stick to % formatting. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: .format vs. %
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:59:43 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: On Jan 2, 4:00 pm, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: %-style formatting isn't going away. You may want to freshen up on the definition of deprecation. I'm sure Ethan knows the definition of deprecation. I'm sure he also knows that % formatting is NOT deprecated. Please stop spreading FUD about Python features. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Avoid race condition with Popen.send_signal
On 02Jan2012 19:16, Adam Skutt ask...@gmail.com wrote: | On Jan 2, 8:44 pm, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: | On 02Jan2012 20:31, Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com wrote: | | I think that catching the exception is probably the most Pythonic way. | | | | It's the only correct way. | | Indeed, but be precise - chek that it _is_ error 3, or more portably, | errno.ESRCH. POSIX probably mandates that that is a 3, but the symbol | should track the local system if it differs. Example: | | No. It is possible (however unlikely) for EPERM to be legitimately | returned in this case. Anything other than EINVAL should be | interpreted as The child process is dead. Sure. I was more taking the line: catch and accept only the specific errors you understand. Of course he can catch EPERM also. But any other variant should at the least generate a warning to stderr or a log - it is _unexpected_. I take your point that reraising the exception may be overkill for failed signal delivery (if that was your point). But I am arguing for being very careful about what you silently pass as an ok thing. | Hence why you should | avoid sending the signal in the first place: the situations where you | don't run the risk of possibly killing an innocent bystander are | pretty narrow. While unlikely on modern UNiX and Linux, IMO it's best | to avoid the issue altogether whenever possible. Fair enough too. But sometimes you need to nail a rogue child. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired. - R. Geis -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python3 on MacOsX Lion?
In article eDnMq.3172$ik5.2...@newsfe03.iad, K Richard Pixley r...@noir.com wrote: Where would I look to find the current expected status of python3 on MacOsX Lion? The distributed binaries aren't capable of allowing extensions that use gcc. I can build the source naked, but then it lacks some libraries, notably, readline. Attempting to build the full Mac packages fails, even with the few tiny patches I used for 2.7.2. Is anyone working on this? Are there pre-release patches available? The short answer is: yes, it is being worked on but it has been taking longer than it should. The 64-bit/32-bit installers from python.org for Python 2.7.x and Python 3.2.x have been being built on 10.6 with gcc-4.2. OSX 10.7 (Lion) was initially released with Xcode 4.1 which still included a version of gcc-4.2 similar to what has been available all along in 10.6 (Snow Leopard). However, more recently, Apple has released Xcode 4.2 which finally removed gcc-4.2 and now only includes updated versions of llvm-gcc-4.2 (gcc front-end with an llvm code generator backend) and clang (clang front-end with an llvm backend). Apple has made it clear that they want developers and other users to move eventually to clang and that llvm-gcc is an interim step towards the migration to clang. While there are other reasons for that move (like the change in gcc licensing), I believe Apple believes that clang will provide an all-around better build experience (better code, better checking, better diagnostics, more flexibility). But, as with any major change to a build compiler and environment, lots of nitty and often knotty problems are to be expected. (For an idea of the breadth of them, peruse the MacPorts project mailing lists for all the issues they've been discovering in the many open source packages they support since they've moved to using clang by default.) Python is no exception. There are already a couple of fixes that have been applied for upcoming Python releases to deal with either llvm-gcc or clang issues. To further complicate things, prior to the release of Lion, Apple made a preliminary version of Xcode 4 available for Snow Leopard through the Mac App Store but appears to have removed it for new purchases after Lion was released although it seems that previous purchasers and paying members of the Mac Developer program can get updates for it. So, now some 10.6 users also no longer have gcc-4.2, although they do have the supported option of reverting to the most recent Xcode 3 release for 10.6 which is free and still available through the Apple Developer Connection website. The PSF (via python.org) also supplies 32-bit-only installer variants for OS X 10.3+ which were great for building applications to run on multiple versions of OS X. But since Xcode 4 doesn't ship the necessary SDK (10.4u) and gcc-4.0, that installer version is also problematic on 10.7. We need to be careful in developing any fixes that we don't inadvertently break anything for older OS X releases like 10.5. So, it's all a bit of mess at the moment with *a lot* of variables. I had hoped to complete a comprehensive set of tests of the most important combinations of build environments with the three current active branches of python development (2.7.x, 3.2.x, and the future 3.3) for 10.7, 10.6, as well as baselines on 10.5 and 10.4 several weeks ago but, unfortunately, other events intervened. Such is the downside of all-volunteer projects. But I will be working on completing this over the next couple of weeks and, after review by the other core developers, will summarize the known issues and suggested fixes on the python.org website (with pointers posted here). I expect that we will then need to push maintenance releases of 2.7.x and 3.2.x. In the meantime, the safest approach is to continue to build on OS X 10.6 with Xcode 3 installed. -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python education survey
On Dec 31 2011, 11:12 pm, Dominic Binks dbi...@codeaurora.org wrote: I doubt you could validate or invalidate a word. A word is, there is no validation necessary. You could potentially try to validate it's use but again that's not in your power. Usage begets validation. By using words in a manner that is improper we validate the continued existence of stupidity. I think you need to go back to school to understand what a dictionary is. (FYI, a dictionary codifies usage, not the other way around.) So there are no standards by which a dictionary must meet? The sheeple should just read and accept any garage that the dictionary writers dictate? Sadly, a dictionary has the power to give legitimacy to a word. When we expand the definitions of words like pretty and reduce those definitions to the absurd AND then include those absurd definitions in a dictionary NOW we have just given lunacy the justification it so desires. Perhaps you mean, because more precise words or phrases for these uses exist? By your token 'work' should refer to physical activity which is not appropriate in this context and probably 'fine' should refer to a payment that is made having broken some rule or regulation thus leading to monetary reparation. Yes, i used the word work improperly here. Just another example of the corrupting influence of garage verbiage. Thanks for bring this to my attention! Why would you use a word like hard (which describes the physical properties of a tangible object), Because many words have more than one meaning and their context describes the meaning. For example 'Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana'. I know you can parse and understand that but the sentences are precisely alike, yet completely different. And that is just my point: by adopting so many meanings of a word that are dependent on context, we obfuscate our communication. rr said: Supposed to - required|expected probably 'intended' would be better here since 'supposed to' indicates that you should do this, but it is not required (pretty much the opposite for your given translation). Actually, no. Consider this sentence: We are supposed to--[required to|expected] follow the law, but sometimes i just cannot get used to it! rr said: Use to - accustomed|acquainted Sorry to be picky, but use to refers to application as in When I say 'idiot', in this context 'idiot' I use to mean 'person who cannot speak English as it is commonly used'. Completely wrong! Consider this: I USED TO wear a tutu however i just never could get USE TO the ridicule from others rr said: Right (OOC) - Correct While I agree 'right' can be annoying it's usage as in 'you are correct' can be traced back to 1588, I think we're going to have to allow for it's usage in 2011 So just because people have been using a word out of context we should just continue? Why? rr said: Hard (OOC) - Difficult Phrases to mean 'difficult' or 'tough' come from at least 1886 so again, it's use in this context is hardly new. New or not, it's wrong! rr said: Pretty (OOC) - very Pretty on it's own doesn't mean very at all. (God knows where you got that idea from.) When combined with another adjective, such as hard, pretty does enhance the adjective. However, pretty difficult is not the same as very difficult. Pretty, in this context would probably be better defined as 'somewhat' or 'quite'. (Oh and it's use in this context can be traced back to 1565.) Pretty is by far the most ubiquitous use of a word in a manner that is out of context. If you don't believe me, grep this group for all the occurrences of the word pretty, and see if ANY instances of this word are used to describe the pleasurable physical attributes of a tangible object. I would safely say that 99% are used out of context. :-( Why do people use pretty when we already have words that carry more specific meaning? Because they are lazy! And laziness begets stupidity. Do any of you remember the Unicode thread from way back? If so, you will remember all the well known trolls who ranted about how the words you use shape the way your brain processes information. Choosing the easy way out is detrimental to your future evolution. Stop propagating your stupidity memes and use your F'in brain for once! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: readline for mac python? (really, reproducing mac python packages)
In article cxnMq.50333$dr1.19...@newsfe08.iad, K Richard Pixley r...@noir.com wrote: On 1/1/12 19:04 , K Richard Pixley wrote: On 1/1/12 16:49 , K Richard Pixley wrote: I'm having trouble finding a reasonable python environment on mac. The supplied binaries, (2.7.2, 3.2.2), are built with old versions of macosx and are not capable of building any third party packages that require gcc. The source builds easily enough out of the box, (./configure --enable-framework make sudo make install), but when I do that, I end up with a python interpreter that lacks readline. How do I get readline involved? Or better... is there an instruction sheet somewhere on how to reproduce the python.org binary packages? --rich Bah. I just needed to dig a little deeper into the source. All the doc I wanted is in there. Well, partial victory. 2.7.2 builds. 3.2 doesn't. As you may have discovered, by default the python.org Python 2.7.x and 3.2.x on OS X 10.6 and above will link with the readline compatibility layer supplied with BSD editline (libedit) shipped by Apple. The Apple-suppled system Pythons also link with editline. While it is possible to link with your own version of GNU readline, there is also a readline project listed on PyPI that supplies pre-compiled versions of the Python readline module linked with GNU readline. I believe they are intended primarily for the system Pythons; I have not tried them myself with the python.org versions. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/readline -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python3 on MacOsX Lion?
In article WepMq.67154$u16.54...@newsfe15.iad, K Richard Pixley r...@noir.com wrote: On 1/2/12 13:03 , Benjamin Kaplan wrote: [...] Have you tried building through Macports? No, I haven't. Macports scares me. When I tried them, or fink, in the past, they rapidly polluted my boot disk and I didn't have any way to unpollute it other than reloading from scratch. In freebsd, netbsd, or any of the linux distributions, I can trivially create a virtual machine in about 20 minutes, screw with it as I like, and toss it in seconds. In modern linux, I can create a root file system with btrfs, snapshot, chroot to the snapshot and munge away. When I'm done, I can just toss the snapshot. (Can do snapshots in vmware too). If I screw up my boot drive in MacOsX, I'm in for hours of recovery time reloading from Time Machine. While that's a lot better than it used to be now that Time Machine is available, (reloading can now be done largely unattended), it's not a price I'm willing to pay in order to attempt to use Macports. Whether you use a third-party package manager like MacPorts or Fink is a personal decision, of course, and there pros or cons for using either. But both MacPorts and Fink are specifically designed *not* to pollute your existing system. They both go to great lengths to install everything under their own unique directory subtrees, by default, /opt/local for MacPorts and /sw for Fink. I don't have much recent experience with Fink but I do with MacPorts. Other than a very few and documented exceptions, *everything* that MacPorts installs is under that /opt/local prefix and there are no conflicts with any Apple-installed files so it is really quite trivial to install and remove without fear of corrupting your base system. The whole process is documented here: http://guide.macports.org/chunked/installing.macports.uninstalling.html -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax
On Jan 2, 8:38 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: Conversely, you could pitch in behind Rick Johnson's Python 4000 fork, I sure it's progressing nicely given how long Rick has been talking it up. It's NOT a fork Alex. It IS in fact the next logical step in Python's future evolution. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Setting an environment variable.
Hi list. A bit new to Python so please forgive my potential ignorance. I'm working with an embedded machine, which is using a Python script to oversee the acquisition of some data. The supervisor script, which is run by crontab every 5 minutes, relies on an environment variable to be set. I've tried to set the environment variable inside crontab, however this doesn't work when the script runs. Is there a nice way to do this inside the supervisor script itself? Would an os.system(export foo=/bar/foo/bar) at the very beginning of the script do what I want? I would just like to check before I make changes, as being an embedded machine it's a bit of a pain to update things like this...(read only file system) Note: This is for Python 2.4. I have no ability to update to anything newer as this is what our codebase relies upon. Thanks and regards, Ashton. -- Ashton Fagg (ash...@fagg.id.au) Web: http://www.fagg.id.au/~ashton/ Keep calm and call Batman. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: .format vs. %
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:59:43 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: On Jan 2, 4:00 pm, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: %-style formatting isn't going away. You may want to freshen up on the definition of deprecation. I'm sure Ethan knows the definition of deprecation. I'm sure he also knows that % formatting is NOT deprecated. Please stop spreading FUD about Python features. I can't believe I'm taking Rick's side here, but the docs do say: Note: The formatting operations described here are obsolete and may go away in future versions of Python. Use the new String Formatting in new code. http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/stdtypes.html#old-string-formatting-operations I consider that a statement of deprecation, even if it doesn't use the term explicitly or describe a definite timeline for removal. Cheers, Ian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python education survey
On 1/2/2012 9:27 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: On Dec 31 2011, 11:12 pm, Dominic Binksdbi...@codeaurora.org wrote: I doubt you could validate or invalidate a word. A word is, there is no ... taken off list -- Dominic Binks: dbi...@codeaurora.org Employee of Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of Code Aurora Forum -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: .format vs. %
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:58:23 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:59:43 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: On Jan 2, 4:00 pm, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: %-style formatting isn't going away. You may want to freshen up on the definition of deprecation. I'm sure Ethan knows the definition of deprecation. I'm sure he also knows that % formatting is NOT deprecated. Please stop spreading FUD about Python features. I can't believe I'm taking Rick's side here, but the docs do say: Note: The formatting operations described here are obsolete and may go away in future versions of Python. Use the new String Formatting in new code. http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/stdtypes.html#old-string-formatting- operations I consider that a statement of deprecation, even if it doesn't use the term explicitly or describe a definite timeline for removal. Which is exactly why it is not deprecated: it doesn't say it is deprecated and has no timeline for removal. It may not even be removed: may go away is not will go away. Going around saying that features are deprecated just because they may (or may not) some day in the distant future become deprecated is FUD. It simply isn't true that % formatting is deprecated: Python Dev has a formal process for deprecating code, and that process has not been applied to % and there are no plans to do so in the foreseeable future. There is a huge code base using this feature, including the standard library, and Python does not arbitrarily deprecate features used by real code without good reason. Just because a number of Python devs want to encourage people to use format doesn't imply that % will go away any time before Python 4000. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python education survey
On 1/3/2012 0:27, Rick Johnson wrote: Yes, i used the word work improperly here. Just another example of the corrupting influence of garage verbiage. Thanks for bring this to my attention! Diction would be a far better word than verbiage there. Evan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax
On Jan 3, 3:39 pm, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: It's NOT a fork Alex. It IS in fact the next logical step in Python's future evolution. Link to the repo please, or STFU. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[issue2698] Extension module build fails for MinGW: missing vcvarsall.bat
Piotr Dobrogost p...@python.dobrogost.net added the comment: @Lehmann You have to have either Visual Studio 2008 or Visual C++ Express 2008 installed. The folder where vcvarsall.bat file is being looked for is read from the registry. It's either HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\VisualStudio\9.0\Setup\VC (for Visual Studio) or HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\VCExpress\9.0\Setup\VC (for Visual C++ Express). -- nosy: +piotr.dobrogost ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue2698 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13565] test_multiprocessing.test_notify_all() hangs on AMD64 Snow Leopard 02 03.x
Charles-François Natali neolo...@free.fr added the comment: Alright, it seems to be fixed. We can still reopen if this happens again. -- resolution: - fixed stage: - committed/rejected status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13565 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13694] asynchronous connect in asyncore.dispatcher does not set addr
Changes by Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr: -- nosy: +giampaolo.rodola, josiahcarlson, stutzbach stage: - patch review versions: -Python 2.6, Python 3.1 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13694 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13609] Add os.get_terminal_size() function
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Thanks for the updated patch. I think I would like other people's opinions about the dual-function approach. -- nosy: +loewis, neologix, rosslagerwall ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13609 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13694] asynchronous connect in asyncore.dispatcher does not set addr
Giampaolo Rodola' g.rod...@gmail.com added the comment: I'm not sure how useful this is as addr will be set later, when connection is established. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13694 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13609] Add os.get_terminal_size() function
Giampaolo Rodola' g.rod...@gmail.com added the comment: What I would do: - build the namedtuple in Python rather than in C - I don't particularly like CamelCased names for nametuples (I would use size instead of TerminalSize) - on UNIX, the ioctl() stuff can be done in python rather than in C - use C only on Windows to deal with GetStdHandle/GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo; function name should be accessed as nt._get_terminal_size similarly to what we did for shutil.disk_usage in issue12442. - do not raise NotImplementedError; if the required underlying functions are not available os.get_terminal_size should not exists in the first place (same as we did for shutil.disk_usage / issue12442) Also, I'm not sure I like fallback=(80, 25) as default, followed by: try: size = query_terminal_size(sys.__stdout__.fileno()) except OSError: size = TerminalSize(fallback) That means we're never going to get an exception. Instead I would: - provide fallback as None - let OSError propate unless fallback is not None -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13609 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue9975] Incorrect use of flowinfo and scope_id in IPv6 sockaddr tuple
Roundup Robot devn...@psf.upfronthosting.co.za added the comment: New changeset 0c10061df711 by Charles-François Natali in branch '2.7': Issue #9975: socket: Fix incorrect use of flowinfo and scope_id. Patch by http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/0c10061df711 New changeset cc346a672091 by Charles-François Natali in branch '3.2': Issue #9975: socket: Fix incorrect use of flowinfo and scope_id. Patch by http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/cc346a672091 New changeset 9222b8e7a7bc by Charles-François Natali in branch 'default': Issue #9975: socket: Fix incorrect use of flowinfo and scope_id. Patch by http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/9222b8e7a7bc -- nosy: +python-dev ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue9975 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13684] httplib tunnel infinite loop
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[issue13694] asynchronous connect in asyncore.dispatcher does not set addr
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[issue13690] Add DEBUG flag to documentation of re.compile
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment: Display debug information about compiled expression. IMO it would be helpful to define “display” more precisely (e.g. “Print debugging information on stdout during pattern compilation”). -- nosy: +eric.araujo ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13690 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1467619] Header.decode_header eats up spaces
Ralf Schlatterbeck r...@runtux.com added the comment: I've been bitten by this too (in python up to 2.7 in roundup the bug-tracker). We're currently using a workaround that re-inserts spaces, see git on roundup.sourceforge.net file mailgw.py method _decode_header_to_utf8 RFC2047 even has a test-case at the end, it specifies: encoded formdisplayed as (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?a?= b) (a b) note the space between 'a' and 'b' above. Spaces between non-encoded and encoded parts should be preserved. And it's probably a good idea to put the examples from the RFC into the regression test. -- nosy: +runtux ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue1467619 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13402] Document absoluteness of sys.executable
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment: This discussion seems relevant: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-March/062453.html (it talks about the meaning of sys.executable, special cases such as embedded Python and functions that implement it (so we can have a look at that code)). -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13402 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1467619] Header.decode_header eats up spaces
Changes by Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr: -- versions: +Python 2.7, Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue1467619 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1079] decode_header does not follow RFC 2047
Ralf Schlatterbeck r...@runtux.com added the comment:
maybe it would be a good start to include the examples at the end of RFC2047
into the regression tests? These examples at least support the case that a '?'
may immediately follow an encoded string:
encoded formdisplayed as
(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?a?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?b?=) (ab)
when trying this in python 2.7:
decode_header ('(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?a?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?b?=)')
[('(', None), ('a', 'iso-8859-1'), ('=?ISO-8859-1?Q?b?=)', None)]
this fails. So I consider this a bug.
Note that although RFC2047 is vague concerning the interpretation if two
encoded strings could follow each other without a whitespace, these *are* seen
in the wild and *are* interpreted correctly by the mailers I've tested: mutt,
thunderbird, exchange in various versions, even lotus notes seems to get this
right. So I guess python should be liberal in what you accept and parse
something like
'(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?a?==?ISO-8859-1?Q?b?=)'
into
[ ('(', None)
, ('a', 'iso-8859-1')
, ('b', 'iso-8859-1')
, (')', None)
]
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[issue13609] Add os.get_terminal_size() function
Ross Lagerwall rosslagerw...@gmail.com added the comment: Nice patch :-) I think the two function approach works well. Since you have already checked that termsize is not NULL, Py_DECREF can be used instead of Py_CLEAR. Would it not be better to use sys.__stdout__ instead of 1 in the documentation and to use STDOUT_FILENO instead of 1 in the code? A brief google suggested that Solaris requires sys/termios.h for TIOCGWINSZ. Perhaps also only define TERMSIZE_USE_IOCTL if TIOCGWINSZ is defined. Like so: #if defined(HAVE_SYS_IOCTL_H) #include sys/ioctl.h #if defined(TIOCGWINSZ) #define TERMSIZE_USE_IOCTL #else #define TERMSIZE_USE_NOTIMPLEMENTED #endif #elif defined(HAVE_CONIO_H) #include windows.h #include conio.h #define TERMSIZE_USE_CONIO #else #define TERMSIZE_USE_NOTIMPLEMENTED #endif (didn't check the windows parts) -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13609 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue12394] packaging: generate scripts from callable (dotted paths)
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment: I’ll get back to this issue later, but now I just wanted to add a link about building the binary exe files: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-April/063846.html (it comes from the time where setuptools was supposed to be added to the stdlib) -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue12394 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13511] Specifying multiple lib and include directories on linux
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment: Whether or not includedir and libdir are supposed to allow multiple packages is beyond me at this point so I'll change the topic to more reflect the problem I am having. More importantly (and possibly related to includedir and libdir) is the fact that python 2.7 does not allow specifying multiple lib and include directories in linux. Is there one way to do this that I overlooked? I included the bit about includedir, libdir, CFLAGS, and LDFLAGS in my original post to show what I tried. At present I know less than you about these. Maybe Martin can chime in? If it’s not possible to use multiple directories to configure Python, then it’s a limitation, and changing it would qualify as a new feature given our policy, and as such be inappropriate for 2.7. -- nosy: +loewis versions: -Python 2.7 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13511 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue6983] Add specific get_platform() for freebsd
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment: Thanks for the reply. distutils2 won’t support eggs, and I don’t think setuptools or distribute will be reworked to work on distutils2, so if your problem is only with eggs there is nothing that we can do to solve it in distutils2. (As I said, distutils is frozen and can’t be changed to address this either.) Currently distutils2 build sdists and bdists of the dumb, msi and wininst varieties. If these formats have the same issue that you describe, then we can change them. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue6983 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13561] os.listdir documentation should mention surrogateescape
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment: Patch looks good, apart from a missing “the”, but I think it should be expanded: Right now it tells that surrogateescape is used, but IMO it would be more useful if it also mentioned practical implications, i.e. what Michael “The Beard” Foord says in the first message. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13561 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue9993] shutil.move fails on symlink source
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment: Antoine, would you mind taking this one? -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue9993 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13663] pootle.python.org is outdated.
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[issue13665] TypeError: string or integer address expected instead of str instance
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[issue13693] email.Header.Header incorrect/non-smart on international charset address fields
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment:
Actually, no, the local part cannot be in anything other than ascii (see RFC
5335, which desires to address this problem among others). Also, an encoded
word cannot occur inside quotation marks. If you correct those two bugs, you
can generate an RFC-valid address using Header.append.
There is a project underway to make all of this header parsing and formatting
stuff work better: see the http://pypi.python.org/pypi/email.
By the way, this is easier already in python 3.2. There you can do:
formataddr(('Nameß', 'weofij@fjeio'))
'=?utf-8?b?TmFtZcOf?= weofij@fjeio'
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[issue10839] email module should not allow some header field repetitions
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment: Regardless of what anybody thinks about the design, it is what it is and can't be changed for backward compatibility reasons. The best we can do is reject creating duplicate headers for headers that may only appear once. That feature has already been coded in the new version of the email package (see http://pypi.python.org/pypi/email), but has not yet been committed to the trunk, which is why this issue is still open. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue10839 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1467619] Header.decode_header eats up spaces
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment: Antoine, I marked this for Python 3.3 only because there is no good way to fix it in 2.7/3.2. (If someone comes up with a way I'll be happy to review it, though!) -- versions: -Python 2.7, Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue1467619 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue1079] decode_header does not follow RFC 2047
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment: The RFC isn't at all vague about encoded words not separated by white space. That isn't allowed by the BNF. As you say, though, they occur in the wild and should be parsed correctly. In your other point I think you mean immediately followed by a ), right? Yes, that is allowed and no, we don't currently parse that correctly. Adding the RFC tests would be great (patches gladly accepted). Fixes for ones we fail would be great, too, but at the very least we can mark them as expected failures. I don't usually like adding tests that we expect to fail, but in the case of externally defined tests such as the RFC examples I think it is worthwhile, so that we can check in a complete test set. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue1079 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue9993] shutil.move fails on symlink source
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment: Ow, I'm sorry for overlooking this. I thought you would take it. Unfortunately the patch is now broken because of 5b61334bb776. (technically it applies, but the tests don't run anymore because the other filesystem now uses a mocking approach) By the way, I think this shouldn't be applied to bugfix branches, since it's a behaviour change. -- versions: -Python 2.7, Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue9993 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13696] [urllib.request.HTTPRedirectHandler.http_error_302] Relative Redirect issue
New submission from CRicky cricky@gmx.fr:
I had an HTTP redirection that worked perfectly on version 3.1.
On version 3.2, I get a HTTP error 302. In this redirection, I actually have 2
redirections. The last one does not work because it is a relative redirection,
so urlparts.scheme is empty.
Some lines have been added in version 3.2 for security reason, but it also
blocks relative links in 302 return.
To correct, I have added empty scheme in check:
if not urlparts.scheme in ('http', 'https', 'ftp', ''):
With that, it works correctly.
I don't make you any for 3 new chars. ;)
Best regards,
CRicky
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title: [urllib.request.HTTPRedirectHandler.http_error_302] Relative Redirect
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[issue13609] Add os.get_terminal_size() function
Zbyszek Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl added the comment: Thanks for the reviews! - build the namedtuple in Python rather than in C I started this way, but if two functions are used, it is nicer to have them both return the same type. If it was defined in the Python part, there would be loop in the sense that os would import the function from _posixmodule, and _posixmodule would import the namedtuple from os. The code for the tuple is fairly simple, mostly docs, and saving a few lines just doesn't seem to be worth the complication of doing it other way around. - I don't particularly like CamelCased names for nametuples (I would use size instead of TerminalSize) I was following the style in _posixmodule: there is WaitidResultType and SchedParamType. size seems to generic, maybe something like terminal_size would be better (SchedParamType is exported as sched_param). Will change to terminal_size. - on UNIX, the ioctl() stuff can be done in python rather than in C It can, but it requires extracting the bytes by hand, doing it in C is cleaner. The C implementation is only 5 lines (in addition to the code necessary for windows) and again it seems simpler this way. Also the configuration is kept in one place in the #ifdefs at the top, not in two different files. - use C only on Windows to deal with GetStdHandle/GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo; function name should be accessed as nt._get_terminal_size similarly to what we did for shutil.disk_usage in issue12442. - do not raise NotImplementedError; if the required underlying functions are not available os.get_terminal_size should not exists in the first place (same as we did for shutil.disk_usage / issue12442) I think that there is a difference in importance -- shutil.disk_usage cannot be faked, or ignored, and if it is unavailable, then some work-around must be implemented. OTOH, the terminal size is an embellishment, and if a wrong terminal size is used, the output might wrap around or be a bit narrow (the common case), but like in argparse.FancyFormatter, just continuing is probably reasonable. So to save the users of the function the trouble to wrap it in some try..except, let's cater for the common case. This same argument goes for defining the function only if an implementation is available: argparse would need something like: try: os.get_terminal_size except NameError: def get_terminal_size(): return (80, 25) which just doesn't seem to _gain_ anything. Also, I'm not sure I like fallback=(80, 25) as default, followed by: [...] That means we're never going to get an exception. Instead I would: - provide fallback as None - let OSError propate unless fallback is not None Again, if the user forgets to add the fallback, and only tests in a terminal, she would get an unnecessary surprise when running the thing in a pipe. So the fallback would have to be almost always provided... and it will almost always be (80, 25). So let's just provide it upfront, and let the user call the low-level function if they want full control. --- I think the two function approach works well. :) Since you have already checked that termsize is not NULL, Py_DECREF can be used instead of Py_CLEAR. OK. Would it not be better to use sys.__stdout__ instead of 1 in the documentation and to use STDOUT_FILENO instead of 1 in the code? OK. A brief google suggested that Solaris requires sys/termios.h for TIOCGWINSZ. Perhaps also only define TERMSIZE_USE_IOCTL if TIOCGWINSZ is defined. Hm, I don't have solaris available, so I won't be able to check easily, but maybe sys/termios.h should be imported if TIOCGWINSZ is not available. Would be nice to provide the implementation if possible. Like so: Something like: #if defined(HAVE_SYS_IOCTL_H) #include sys/ioctl.h #if defined(TIOCGWINSZ) #define TERMSIZE_USE_IOCTL #else #if defined(HAVE_SYS_TERMIOS_H) #include sys/termios.h #if defined(TIOCGWINSZ) #define TERMSIZE_USE_IOCTL #else #define TERMSIZE_USE_NOTIMPLEMENTED #endif #elif defined(HAVE_CONIO_H) #include windows.h #include conio.h #define TERMSIZE_USE_CONIO #else #define TERMSIZE_USE_NOTIMPLEMENTED #endif -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13609 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13609] Add os.get_terminal_size() function
Ross Lagerwall rosslagerw...@gmail.com added the comment: I'll try investigate Solaris a bit... Also, what should be the default terminal size? Gnome-terminal and xterm seem to default to 80x24, not 80x25. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13609 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue2698] Extension module build fails for MinGW: missing vcvarsall.bat
Bill Janssen bill.jans...@gmail.com added the comment: Actually, when using setup.py with MinGW, you just need to say the right thing: % python setup.py build --compiler=mingw32 install That removes the check for vcvarsall.bat. Bill On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Piotr Dobrogost rep...@bugs.python.org wrote: Piotr Dobrogost p...@python.dobrogost.net added the comment: @Lehmann You have to have either Visual Studio 2008 or Visual C++ Express 2008 installed. The folder where vcvarsall.bat file is being looked for is read from the registry. It's either HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\VisualStudio\9.0\Setup\VC (for Visual Studio) or HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\VCExpress\9.0\Setup\VC (for Visual C++ Express). -- nosy: +piotr.dobrogost ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue2698 ___ -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue2698 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13697] python RLock implementation unsafe with signals
New submission from Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net: This affects the python implementation of RLock only. If a signal occurs during RLock.acquire() or release() and then operates on the same lock to acquire() or release() it, process hangs or assertions can be triggered. The attached test script demonstrates the issue on Python 2.6 and 3.2, and code inspection suggests this is still valid for 2.7 and 3.4. To use it, run the script and then 'kill -SIGUSR2' the process id it prints out. Keep sending SIGUSR2 until you get bored or: - a traceback occurs - the process stops printing out '.'s We found this debugging application server hangs during log rotation (https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/861742) where if the thread that the signal is received in was about to log a message the deadlock case would crop up from time to time. Of course, this wasn't ever safe code, and we're changing it (to have the signal handler merely set a integer flag that the logging handler can consult without locking). However, I wanted to raise this upstream, and I note per issue #3618 that the 3.x IO module apparently includes a minimal version of the Python RLock implementation (or just uses RLock itself). Either way this bug probably exists for applications simply doing IO, either when there is no C RLock implementation available, or all the time (depending on exactly what the IO module is doing nowadays). -- components: Library (Lib) files: hang.py messages: 150477 nosy: rbcollins priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: python RLock implementation unsafe with signals versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.4 Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file24126/hang.py ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13697 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13698] Should not use mboxo format
New submission from endolith endol...@gmail.com: The documentation states: Several variations of the mbox format exist to address perceived shortcomings in the original. In the interest of compatibility, mbox implements the original format, which is sometimes referred to as mboxo. http://docs.python.org/dev/library/mailbox.html#mailbox.mbox But this format is fundamentally broken, corrupting lines that start with From , and I can't find any justification for using it in Python. In fact, all four links included in that section argue against this format. If only one mbox format is used, it should be mboxrd. Otherwise, include support for all the variants, with mboxrd as the default. -- components: Library (Lib) messages: 150478 nosy: endolith priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Should not use mboxo format type: behavior versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.3 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue13698 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue13698] Mailbox module should not use mboxo format
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