[issue33084] Computing median, median_high an median_low in statistics library
Luc <ouaga...@gmail.com> added the comment: If we are trying to fix this, the behavior should be like computing the mean or harmonic mean with the statistics library when there are missing values in the data. At least that way, it is consistent with how the statistics library works when computing with NaNs in the data. Then again, it should be mentioned somewhere in the docs. import statistics as stats import numpy as np import pandas as pd data = [75, 90,85, 92, 95, 80, np.nan] stats.mean(data) nan stats.harmonic_mean(data) nan stats.stdev(data) nan As you can see, when there is a missing value, computing the mean, harmonic mean and sample standard deviation with the statistics library return a nan. However, with the median, median_high and median_low, it computes those statistics incorrectly with the missing values present in the data. It is better to return a nan, then let the user drop (or resolve) any missing values before computing. ## Another example using pandas serie df = pd.DataFrame(data, columns=['data']) df.head() data 0 75.0 1 90.0 2 85.0 3 92.0 4 95.0 5 80.0 6 NaN ### Use the statistics library to compute the median of the serie stats.median(df1['data']) 90 ## Pandas returns the correct median by dropping the missing values ## Now use pandas to compute the median of the serie with missing value df['data'].median() 87.5 I did not test the median_grouped in statistics library, but will let you know afterwards if its affected as well. -- ___ Python tracker <rep...@bugs.python.org> <https://bugs.python.org/issue33084> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue33084] Computing median, median_high an median_low in statistics library
Luc <ouaga...@gmail.com> added the comment:
Just to make sure we are focused on the issue, the reported bug is with the
statistics library (not with numpy). It happens, when there is at least one
missing value in the data and involves the computation of the median,
median_low and median_high using the statistics library.
The test was performed on Python 3.6.4.
When there is no missing values (NaNs) in the data, computing the median,
median_high and median_low from the statistics library work fine.
So, yes, removing the NaNs (or imputing for them) before computing the
median(s) resolve the issue.
Also, just like statistics.mean(data) when data has missing return a nan, the
median, median_high and median_low should behave the same way.
import numpy
import statistics as stats
data = [75, 90,85, 92, 95, 80, np.nan]
Median = stats.median(data)
Median_high = stats.median_high(data)
Median_low = stats.median_low(data)
print("The incorrect Median is", Median)
The incorrect Median is, 90
print("The incorrect median high is", Median_high)
The incorrect median high is, 90
print("The incorrect median low is", Median_low)
The incorrect median low is, 90
## Mean returns nan
Mean = stats.mean(data)
prin("The mean is", Mean)
The mean is, nan
Now, when we drop the missing values, we have:
data2 = [75, 90,85, 92, 95, 80]
stats.median(data2)
87.5
stats.median_high(data2)
90
stats.median_low(data2)
85
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[issue33084] Computing median, median_high an median_low in statistics library
New submission from Luc <ouaga...@gmail.com>: When a list or dataframe serie contains NaN(s), the median, median_low and median_high are computed in Python 3.6.4 statistics library, however, the results are wrong. Either, it should return a NaN just like when we try to compute a mean or point the user to drop the NaNs before computing those statistics. Example: import numpy as np import statistics as stats data = [75, 90,85, 92, 95, 80, np.nan] Median = stats.median(data) Median_low = stats.median_low(data) Median_high = stats.median_high(data) The results from above return ALL 90 which are incorrect. Correct answers should be: Median = 87.5 Median_low = 85 Median_high = 92 Thanks, Luc -- components: Library (Lib) messages: 313933 nosy: dcasmr priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Computing median, median_high an median_low in statistics library type: behavior versions: Python 3.6 ___ Python tracker <rep...@bugs.python.org> <https://bugs.python.org/issue33084> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue30941] Missing line in example program
New submission from Luc Bougé: On page <https://docs.python.org/3.6/_sources/library/stdtypes.txt>, the following program is listed. It raises a syntactic error. An empty line is missing after "... n += val" to close the loop body. >>> # iteration >>> n = 0 >>> for val in values: ... n += val >>> print(n) 504 -- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 298445 nosy: docs@python, lucbouge priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Missing line in example program type: resource usage versions: Python 3.6 ___ Python tracker <rep...@bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue30941> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue30741] https://www.pypi-mirrors.org/ error 503
New submission from Luc Zimmermann: is that linked with the certificate error on pypi ? you redirect http request to https, but you still listen 80 and not 443 ? -- messages: 296721 nosy: Luc Zimmermann priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: https://www.pypi-mirrors.org/ error 503 type: security ___ Python tracker <rep...@bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue30741> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue30739] pypi ssl errors [CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED]
New submission from Luc Zimmermann:
Hi Guys,
I've a strange behavior.
We use python for configure our new boxes with openWRT and coovaChilli.
But since yesterday, when i ask to pip to dowload PyJWT, json-cfg and
speedtest-cli,
some boxes can download these packages, and some can't.
root@OpenWrt:~# cat /root/.pip/pip.log
/usr/bin/pip run on Thu Apr 13 18:46:19 2017
Downloading/unpacking PyJWT
Getting page https://pypi.python.org/simple/PyJWT/
Could not fetch URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/PyJWT/: connection error:
[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] unknown error (_ssl.c)
Will skip URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/PyJWT/ when looking for download
links for PyJWT
Getting page https://pypi.python.org/simple/
Could not fetch URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/: connection error:
HTTPSConnectionPool(host='pypi.python.org', port=443): Max r)
Will skip URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/ when looking for download links
for PyJWT
Cannot fetch index base URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/
URLs to search for versions for PyJWT:
* https://pypi.python.org/simple/PyJWT/
Getting page https://pypi.python.org/simple/PyJWT/
Could not fetch URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/PyJWT/: connection error:
[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] unknown error (_ssl.c)
Will skip URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/PyJWT/ when looking for download
links for PyJWT
Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement PyJWT
Cleaning up...
Removing temporary dir /tmp/pip_build_root...
No distributions at all found for PyJWT
Exception information:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip-1.5.6-py2.7.egg/pip/basecommand.py", line
122, in main
status = self.run(options, args)
File
"/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip-1.5.6-py2.7.egg/pip/commands/install.py",
line 278, in run
requirement_set.prepare_files(finder, force_root_egg_info=self.bundle,
bundle=self.bundle)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip-1.5.6-py2.7.egg/pip/req.py", line
1177, in prepare_files
url = finder.find_requirement(req_to_install, upgrade=self.upgrade)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip-1.5.6-py2.7.egg/pip/index.py",
line 277, in find_requirement
raise DistributionNotFound('No distributions at all found for %s' % req)
DistributionNotFound: No distributions at all found for PyJWT
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nosy: Luc Zimmermann
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: pypi ssl errors [CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED]
type: resource usage
versions: Python 2.7
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[issue24515] docstring of isinstance
New submission from Luc Saffre: The docstring of built-in function 'isinstance' should explain that if the classinfo is a tuple, the object must be instance of *any* (not *all*) of the class objects. -- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 245841 nosy: Luc Saffre, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: docstring of isinstance type: enhancement versions: Python 2.7 ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue24515 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
File read from stdin and printed to temp file are not identicial?
Hello, I am trying to read from stdin and dump what's read to a temporary file. My code works for small files but as soon as I have a file that has, e.g., more than 300 lines, there is always one and only one line that is truncated compared to the input. Here is my code: #- #! /usr/bin/env python import sys from tempfile import * if __name__ == __main__: data = [] f_in = NamedTemporaryFile(suffix=.txt, delete=False) for line in sys.stdin: f_in.write(line) data.append(line) f_in.close f = open(f_in.name, 'rb') i=0 for line in f: if data[i] != line: print sys.stderr, line %d:\nfile(%d):\%s\\narray(%d):\%s\ % (i+1, len(line), line, len(data[i]), data[i]) i += 1 sys.exit() #- I feel that I must be doing something very stupid, but I don't really know what. Any idea? Can anybody reproduce this behavior. Thanks a bunch for any help. Jean Luc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: File read from stdin and printed to temp file are not identicial?
Dear Fellow python users, Many thanks for your help. Those missing brackets were the cause of my problem. Now my program works as expected. Many, many heartfelt thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Absolute beginner
Thanks Krister ! Should have read specific 3.1 documentation :-( . Regards, Luc On Dec 30, 12:56 pm, Krister Svanlund krister.svanl...@gmail.com wrote: In Python 3 the syntax for print has changed to print() so just put braces around the string and you'r good to go! On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM, lucbo...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi there, I installed python 3.1 on Windows Vista PC. Am an absolute beginner with Python. This is my problem : In Idle : Python 3.1.1 (r311:74483, Aug 17 2009, 17:02:12) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type copyright, credits or license() for more information. print Hello SyntaxError: invalid syntax (pyshell#0, line 1) At a dos-prompt : Python 3.1.1 (r311:74483, Aug 17 2009, 17:02:12) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. print Hello File stdin, line 1 print Hello ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax Looks stupid, probably is, but I cannot figure it out. Thanks for any help ! Lucky -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Absolute beginner
Also thanks Ben and Simon for your help ! On Dec 30, 1:07 pm, Luc lucbo...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Krister ! Should have read specific 3.1 documentation :-( . Regards, Luc On Dec 30, 12:56 pm, Krister Svanlund krister.svanl...@gmail.com wrote: In Python 3 the syntax for print has changed to print() so just put braces around the string and you'r good to go! On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM, lucbo...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi there, I installed python 3.1 on Windows Vista PC. Am an absolute beginner with Python. This is my problem : In Idle : Python 3.1.1 (r311:74483, Aug 17 2009, 17:02:12) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type copyright, credits or license() for more information. print Hello SyntaxError: invalid syntax (pyshell#0, line 1) At a dos-prompt : Python 3.1.1 (r311:74483, Aug 17 2009, 17:02:12) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. print Hello File stdin, line 1 print Hello ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax Looks stupid, probably is, but I cannot figure it out. Thanks for any help ! Lucky -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Reading hex to int from a binary string
On Oct 9, 3:12 am, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT), Luc luc.traonmi...@gmail.com declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: On Oct 8, 11:13 pm, Diez B. Roggisch de...@nospam.web.de wrote: Luc schrieb: Hi all, I read data from a binary stream, so I get hex values as characters (in a string) with escaped x, like \x05\x88, instead of 0x05. I am looking for a clean way to add these two values and turn them into an integer, knowing that calling int() with base 16 throws an invalid literal exception. Any help appreciated, thanks. Consider this (in the python interpreter): chr(255) '\xff' chr(255) == r\xff False int(rff, 16) 255 In other words: no, you *don't* get hex values. You get bytes from the stream as is, with python resorting to printing these out (in the interpreter!!!) as \xXX. Python does that so that binary data will always have a pretty output when being inspected on the REPL. But they are bytes, and to convert them to an integer, you call ord on them. So assuming your string is read bytewise into two variables a b, this is your desired code: a = \xff b = \xa0 ord(a) + ord(b) 415 HTH, Diez Sorry I was not clear enough. When I said add, I meant concatenate because I want to read 0x0588 as one value and ord() does not allow that. However you pointed me in the right direction and I found that int (binascii.hexlify(a + b, 16)) does the job. Yeesh... This is what struct is designed for... import struct something = \x05\x88and more\r\n print something ˆand more (h1, st, h2) = struct.unpack(H8sh, something) h1 34821 st 'and more' h2 2573 print %4x, %4x % (h1, h2) 8805, a0d You may need to adjust for expected endian mode... (h1, st, h2) = struct.unpack(H8sh, something) print %4.4x, %4.4x % (h1, h2) 0588, 0d0a h1 1416 h2 3338 -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG wlfr...@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ Nice, thanks! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Reading hex to int from a binary string
Hi all, I read data from a binary stream, so I get hex values as characters (in a string) with escaped x, like \x05\x88, instead of 0x05. I am looking for a clean way to add these two values and turn them into an integer, knowing that calling int() with base 16 throws an invalid literal exception. Any help appreciated, thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Reading hex to int from a binary string
On Oct 9, 10:45 am, Diez B. Roggisch de...@nospam.web.de wrote: Luc schrieb: On Oct 8, 11:13 pm, Diez B. Roggisch de...@nospam.web.de wrote: Luc schrieb: Hi all, I read data from a binary stream, so I get hex values as characters (in a string) with escaped x, like \x05\x88, instead of 0x05. I am looking for a clean way to add these two values and turn them into an integer, knowing that calling int() with base 16 throws an invalid literal exception. Any help appreciated, thanks. Consider this (in the python interpreter): chr(255) '\xff' chr(255) == r\xff False int(rff, 16) 255 In other words: no, you *don't* get hex values. You get bytes from the stream as is, with python resorting to printing these out (in the interpreter!!!) as \xXX. Python does that so that binary data will always have a pretty output when being inspected on the REPL. But they are bytes, and to convert them to an integer, you call ord on them. So assuming your string is read bytewise into two variables a b, this is your desired code: a = \xff b = \xa0 ord(a) + ord(b) 415 HTH, Diez Sorry I was not clear enough. When I said add, I meant concatenate because I want to read 0x0588 as one value and ord() does not allow that. (ord(a) 8) + ord(b) Diez Yes that too. But I have four bytes fields and single bit fields to deal with as well so I'll stick with struct. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Reading hex to int from a binary string
On Oct 8, 11:13 pm, Diez B. Roggisch de...@nospam.web.de wrote: Luc schrieb: Hi all, I read data from a binary stream, so I get hex values as characters (in a string) with escaped x, like \x05\x88, instead of 0x05. I am looking for a clean way to add these two values and turn them into an integer, knowing that calling int() with base 16 throws an invalid literal exception. Any help appreciated, thanks. Consider this (in the python interpreter): chr(255) '\xff' chr(255) == r\xff False int(rff, 16) 255 In other words: no, you *don't* get hex values. You get bytes from the stream as is, with python resorting to printing these out (in the interpreter!!!) as \xXX. Python does that so that binary data will always have a pretty output when being inspected on the REPL. But they are bytes, and to convert them to an integer, you call ord on them. So assuming your string is read bytewise into two variables a b, this is your desired code: a = \xff b = \xa0 ord(a) + ord(b) 415 HTH, Diez Sorry I was not clear enough. When I said add, I meant concatenate because I want to read 0x0588 as one value and ord() does not allow that. However you pointed me in the right direction and I found that int (binascii.hexlify(a + b, 16)) does the job. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
marked-up Python code
Hi, I would like to experiment with marked-up Python source code. A more elaborate explanation of the use-case is at the end of this mail. The short story is that I would like to do things like assign colors to pieces of text in my editor and have this information saved _in my source code_ smth like red else : print ERROR return -1 /red all the Python parser has to do is skip the mark-up. Has something like this been done before? Is there a way to do this without changing the Python executable? If not, where in the source code should I start looking? cheers, Luc PS1 I know I can put the mark-up after a # and the problem is solved trivially, but this will not work for all cases (e.g. mark-up of single identifiers) and to be honest I was thinking of recycling some mark-up capable editor and an existing mark-up language PS2 here's the real use case I have a small application in Python. The code shares a recurring feature: within methods 20% of the code lines is about the actual handling of the correct case, 40% is about the handling of the incorrect cases, 40% is instrumenting (logging and timing). A case for aspect oriented programming? I would certainly think so, but unfortunately there is no obvious way to map this to the prevailing aspect-advice-joint point-point cut model. Moreover, I really do not want this code to become fragmented over multiple source code files, I just want the aspects to be readily visible in my editor, and be able to selectively show/hide some of them (like expanding/collapsing code blocks). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: marked-up Python code
Hi Tim, thanks for your suggestions I have two questions. 1. can I color the background of the text keeping the normal syntax coloring for actual text? can you give some hints on how to do that in vim? 2. will the # mark-up lines show in the editor? is there some visual clue that something has been hidden? I will gladly settle for some pointer into the vim documentation, which I found already. many thanks, Luc On Nov 20, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Tim Chase wrote: all the Python parser has to do is skip the mark-up. [snip] I know I can put the mark-up after a # and the problem is solved trivially, but this will not work for all cases (e.g. mark-up of single identifiers) and to be honest I was thinking of recycling some mark-up capable editor and an existing mark-up language Comments *are* the way in which you tell Python parser to skip the mark-up. With a good editor, this is fairly easy to do. And folding/coloring is the job of the editor, not of Python. I'll use Vim as an example, as it's my preferred tool and I know it well enough to offer a solution using it, though surely any other good editor can do similarly. Vim offers two ways to do what you're describing. First, you can color sections by defining your own highlighting/syntax augmentation. Second, you can use folding to hide away bits of your code that you don't want to see. This combo can be used to do something like define several markers such as # begin instrumenting # end instrumenting # one-line instrumentation You can then do something like :set foldmethod=marker :set foldmarker=#\ begin,#\ end This will create folds across all your blocks. You can selectively open/close these blocks with zR to open all the folds and :g/#begin instrumenting/norm zC to close just those folds tagged with begin instrumenting. The two can be mapped into a single keypress, so you can do something like :nnoremap f4 zR:g/# begin instrumenting/norm zCcr which will open all the folds and then just close the ones that involve instrumenting merely by pressing f4 As for the single-line ones, you can use Vim's :match functionality: :match Folded /.*# one-line instrumentation The Folded is a highlighting group (it can be an existing one such as Folded or Error, or one you create to give you the coloring you want). Thus, in Vim, the whole thing could be done with a fairly simple setup: :set foldmethod=marker foldmarker=#\ begin,#\ end :nnoremap f4 zR:g/# begin instrumentation/norm zCcr:match Folded /.*# one-line instrumentation/cr :nnoremap f5 zR:g/# begin debugging/norm zCcr:match Folded /.*# one-line debugging/cr You would then mark up your code with things like import pdb; pdb.set_trace() # one-line debugging start = now() # one-line instrumentation do_stuff() # begin instrumentation end = now() delta = end - start # end instrumentation and then use f4 to hide your instrumentation code, and f5 to hide your debugging code. it's a little more complex to invert the behavior, but doable. This can even be augmented to create these blocks for you: :vnoremap s-F4 :'put! ='# begin instrumentation'cr:'put ='# end instrumentation'cr :nnoremap s-F4 A# one-line instrumentationesc which should define two mappings for shift+F4: the first, in visual-mode (with text selected) wraps those lines in the begin/end pair. In normal mode, shift+F4 just appends the one-line tag to the end of the line. Do similarly for shift+F5 for the debugging. Hope this gives you some ideas to work with. And perhaps advocates of other editors can chime in with how it would be done there. -tkc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The Future of Python Threading
Justin T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What these seemingly unrelated thoughts come down to is a perfect opportunity to become THE next generation language. Too late: http://www.erlang.org/ :) -- Luc Heinrich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: loose methods : Smalltalk asPython
Jan Theodore Galkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments? Suggestions? http://www.ruby-lang.org -- Luc Heinrich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application
Chris Mellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FYI: OS X ships with wxWidgets installed.
For the sole purpose of providing an easy way to run existing wxPerl and
wxPython code (and possibly pure wxWidgets code as well). As a
*porting* aid if you will, as hinted in the Using Traditional UNIX
Graphical Environments of the Porting UNIX/Linux Applications to Mac
OS X document, here:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Porting/Conceptual/PortingUnix
/index.html
How many applications built into OS X are built using it?
I quote you: none, zero, zilch :
Are you sure? How would you know?
What's that ? Homework ? Oh well, here you go:
import os
import subprocess
def findLinkedWithWX(folder):
for root, dirs, files in os.walk(folder):
for d in list(dirs):
if d.endswith('.app'):
dirs.remove(d)
exename, _ = os.path.splitext(d)
exe = '%s/%s/Contents/MacOS/%s' % (root, d, exename)
popen = subprocess.Popen(['otool', '-L', exe],
stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
libs = popen.communicate()[0]
if 'libwx' in libs:
print d
findLinkedWithWX('/Applications')
findLinkedWithWX('/Developer')
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Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application
Peter Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're full of it. I routinely write GUI apps in Dabo for both Windows and Linux users, and they look just fine on both platforms. Oh, I'm sure you do. Now go try to run one of your Dabo apps on a Mac and see how it looks/feels... : Here's a hint directly taken from the Dabo homepage: It also suffers from the same display limitations on some platforms (most notably OS X), but these should improve as the underlying toolkits improve. Using sizers is the key; layouts just 'look right' no matter what the native fonts and control sizes are. No, sizers are a tiny part of a much bigger problem. Sizers might be the key to solve parts of the look problem, they don't address any of the feel problem. But you clearly have a point here, so let me rephrase: Crossplatform toolkits/frameworks suck. All of them. No exception. UNLESS you only target the lowest common denominator, aka Windows and its Linux followers. Now, the OP *explicitely* said that [his] requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as on the Apple Mac, so the rephrasing does not apply in this case. So here's a last try: Crossplatform toolkits/frameworks suck. All of them. No exception. ESPECIALLY if one of your target is Mac OS. -- Luc Heinrich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application
Paul McNett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks/feels like a native app on OS X. I'm sorry, but the screenshots I'm seeing on the Dabo website all look like ugly Windows ports (when they don't look like straight X11 crap). I can't comment on the feel of course, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm downloading the screencasts as we speak, but I'm not holding my breath either. [UPDATE] I have watched three of the Dabo screencasts and the presented application are *very* far from looking/feeling like native OS X applications. Sorry. Why not use the best crossplatform native toolkit (wxPython) and then if you need native features that aren't provided, use ctypes or something to get access to the native GUI? Nothing in wxPython or Dabo prevents you from doing that. Eh, funny, I have used wx thingy for quite some time (when it was actually still called wxWindows and then when they switched to wxWidgets) and it's probably the worst of all crossplatform toolkits I have ever used. So I'm not sure you'll be able to convince me here :D Ok, now here's a question for you: if crossplatform toolkits/frameworks are so great and automagically allow to produce superlickable and native-looking/feeling applications on all three major platforms, why is there so few of those applications on OS X ? Because Mac users are elitists assholes is not the good answer by the way :) -- Luc Heinrich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application
Peter Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a Mac, although I would certainly like one. But one of the two authors of Dabo is a Mac user, and says that he does all his development on a Mac, and then tests it on the other platforms. Look at the screencasts on the Dabo site - most of them are recorded on OS X. Yeah, I have watched three of them and they are glaring examples of what I'm talking about. The applications presented not only don't look right, at all, they apparently don't feel right either. OK, it's true: you don't have 100% access to the lickable Aqua stuff that a Cocoa app might be able to use. But paged controls use native Aqua tabs; progress bars are native Aqua bars, buttons are native Aqua buttons... Perfect? Of course not. But stating that it sucks is a load of crap. No it's not, because you insist on presenting only one part of the problem. Using native widgets is *far* from enough. Such self-important pronouncements would be better received if you brought them down the mountain on stone tablets. No problem, let me get my chisel, do you prefer Fedex or UPS ? :p -- Luc Heinrich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application
The Night Blogger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone recommend me a good API for writing a sexy looking (Rich UI like WinForms) shrink wrap application No, because such a thing doesn't exist. My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as on the Apple Mac Crossplatform GUIs are a myth, you *always* end up with a lowest common denominator (aka Windows) which makes your application look like crap on other platforms. And when the toolkit/framework only makes it look like semi-crap, it makes it *feel* like crap. Because, you know, user interfaces aren't only about the look but also (and most importantly) the feel, and the lowest common denominator (aka Windows) won't bring a Mac feel to your app. Crossplatform toolkits/frameworks suck. All of them. No exception. If you want your app to look *AND* feel great on all platform, abstract the core of your application and embed it in platform native GUI code. -- Luc Heinrich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [Reported] (was Re: A critic of Guido's blog on Python's lambda)
John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reported for excessive crossposting. Did u report yourself? -- LTP :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: DO NOT USE JAVA BECAUSE IT IS NOT OPEN SOURCE
steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:06:52 +0800, Luc The Perverse wrote (in article [EMAIL PROTECTED]): [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programing Languiges Are Ment to be free. That is why i am starting The iCoo De Tar/i thats french for Blow of state it is a flash/java alternative and if you are going to use a server side languige use Perl,Python or better yet Ruby. What is the point of a languige without a standerd and without a open source distrabution. Coo De Tar will be released as a api for perl,python and ruby. Java sucks because it IS NOT FREE. I AM A GNU GUY I BELEVE THAT SOFTWARE MUST AND SHALL BE FREE!! do not use java because it is an oxymoron Dear Mr Troll, There are GNU implementations of JVM and compiler. And just because Sun's Java is not GNU does not mean it is not free. Now go get a life. -- LTP it's April 1st remember Ah! Thank you -- LTP :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: DO NOT USE JAVA BECAUSE IT IS NOT OPEN SOURCE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programing Languiges Are Ment to be free. That is why i am starting The iCoo De Tar/i thats french for Blow of state it is a flash/java alternative and if you are going to use a server side languige use Perl,Python or better yet Ruby. What is the point of a languige without a standerd and without a open source distrabution. Coo De Tar will be released as a api for perl,python and ruby. Java sucks because it IS NOT FREE. I AM A GNU GUY I BELEVE THAT SOFTWARE MUST AND SHALL BE FREE!! do not use java because it is an oxymoron Dear Mr Troll, There are GNU implementations of JVM and compiler. And just because Sun's Java is not GNU does not mean it is not free. Now go get a life. -- LTP :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: String comparison question
Michael Spencer wrote: Olivier Langlois wrote: I would like to make a string comparison that would return true without regards of the number of spaces and new lines chars between the words like 'A B\nC' = 'A\nBC' Here is how I do such comparisons: if a.strip().split() == b.strip().split() Luc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Xah's Edu Corner: What is Expressiveness in a Computer Language
John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dag Sunde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What is Expressiveness in a Computer Language snipped_inane_chatter / PLONK. Don't post PLONK messages you idiot. PLONK in silence instead of adding to a lot of garbage in serveral groups. Sometimes you need to make a statement about a local troll. Though I agree - a massively cross posted thread with no one familiar probably doesn't qualify -- LTP :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: excellent book on information theory
Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That made me smile on a Monday morning (not an insignificant accomplishment). I noticed in the one footnote that the H.P. book had been translated into American. I've always wondered about that. I noticed several spots in the H.P. books where the dialog seemed wrong: the kids were using American rather than British English. I thought it rather jarring. The US edition even changed the title from Philosopher's Stone to Sorcerer's Stone. American schoolkids weren't expected to know what a philosopher was (or anyway what the Philosopher's Stone was). Which is downright annoying. Children are capable of learning a word - and causing discongruence in semantics causes a serious problem when making a movie -- LTP :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Examples of Quality Technical Writing
javuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why do you have such a need of being hating everything and everybody and expressing it so offen? Can you live without hate? Can you let others live without your hates? A person can live without hate, living love and working towards bettering humanity. But as for people in general - I'm not so sure. I'm not sure my opinion on hate - since I value people's opinions and diversity, hate seems unbecoming, but then so does computer gaming ;) Westernization sweeps accross all countries though, and it is no longer vogue to be so self centered. This will help with the most overt types of hatred. -- LTP :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft Hatred FAQ
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:51:02 -0700, David Schwartz wrote: Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The first two points are factually wrong, and the third is an opinion based on the concept, as far as I can see, that Microsoft should be allowed to do anything they like, even if those actions harm others. Of course this alleged harm is simply a lack of a benefit. Why is Burger King allowed to close at 10PM? That harms me when I'm hungry after 10. Burger King doesn't take actions to prevent you from going to another vendor who will stay open after 10PM, as you very well know. Nor is Burger King a monopoly -- if they refuse to open after 10 in the face of great demand, they only harm themselves. As I said a few days ago, it is not the place for either us or the government to care about the success or failure of any specific vendor, but only about the health of the entire market. As there is no shortage of competition in the fast food market, the harm done to you by Burger King's refusal to open after 10PM is not sufficient for anyone to care. If there is significant demand, then Burger King will merely harm themselves by refusing to open because they will lose customers to those vendors who do open, and if there is insignificant demand, then why should anyone care? NO! There ~is~ a conspiracy by Egg farmers to not make burgers available before 10 am. Burger King used to be one of the last great vestiges of the 24 hour burger, and now it's gone. They know no one would buy the shitty egg McMuffins/equivalent if they had delicious burgers available, so there is something underhanded going on behind the scenes. Same thing with pizza. Don't try to tell me that there are not hungry partiers at 3 am - but are any of the delivery places open? NO! Why is it this way? Who knows! But when in doubt, blame the right wing extremist politicians. -- LTP -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: problem installing wxPython 2.5.3, wxWidgets installed ok
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: I'm trying to install wxPython 2.5.3.1 using Python 2.3.2 on a Fedora 2 machine. I have python in a non-standard place, but I'm using --prefix with the configure script to point to where I have everything. The make install in $WXDIR seemed to go fine. I have the libxw* libraries in my lib/ directory libwx_base-2.5.so@libwx_gtk_adv-2.5.so.3.0.0* libwx_base-2.5.so.3@ libwx_gtk_core-2.5.so@ libwx_base-2.5.so.3.0.0* libwx_gtk_core-2.5.so.3@ libwx_base_net-2.5.so@libwx_gtk_core-2.5.so.3.0.0* libwx_base_net-2.5.so.3@ libwx_gtk_gl-2.4.so@ libwx_base_net-2.5.so.3.0.0* libwx_gtk_gl-2.4.so.0@ libwx_base_xml-2.5.so@libwx_gtk_gl-2.4.so.0.1.1* libwx_base_xml-2.5.so.3@ libwx_gtk_html-2.5.so@ libwx_base_xml-2.5.so.3.0.0* libwx_gtk_html-2.5.so.3@ libwx_gtk-2.4.so@ libwx_gtk_html-2.5.so.3.0.0* libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0@ libwx_gtk_xrc-2.5.so@ libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0.1.1* libwx_gtk_xrc-2.5.so.3@ libwx_gtk_adv-2.5.so@ libwx_gtk_xrc-2.5.so.3.0.0* libwx_gtk_adv-2.5.so.3@ I also have a wx/ directory under my lib. directory. The problem is when I try to do a 'python setup.py install' in the ./wxPython directory. I get a message about not finding a config file for wx-config and then several errors during gcc compiles. python setup.py build Found wx-config: /project/c4i/Users_Share/williams/Linux/bin/wx-config Using flags: --toolkit=gtk2 --unicode=no --version=2.5 Warning: No config found to match: /project/c4i/Users_Share/williams/Linux/bin/wx-config --toolkit=gtk2 --unicode=no --version=2.5 --cxxflags in /project/c4i/Users_Share/williams/Linux/lib/wx/config If you require this configuration, please install the desired library build. If this is part of an automated configuration test and no other errors occur, you may safely ignore it. You may use wx-config --list to see all configs available in the default prefix. ... Preparing OGL... Preparing STC... Preparing GIZMOS... running build running build_py copying wx/__version__.py - build-gtk2/lib.linux-i686-2.3/wx running build_ext building '_core_' extension creating build-gtk2/temp.linux-i686-2.3 creating build-gtk2/temp.linux-i686-2.3/src creating build-gtk2/temp.linux-i686-2.3/src/gtk gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -DSWIG_GLOBAL -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWXP_USE_THREAD=1 -UNDEBUG -DXTHREADS -D_REENTRANT -DXUSE_MTSAFE_API -Iinclude -Isrc -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/freetype2/config -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/project/c4i/Users_Share/williams/Linux/include/python2.3 -c src/libpy.c -o build-gtk2/temp.linux-i686-2.3/src/libpy.o -O3 gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -DSWIG_GLOBAL -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWXP_USE_THREAD=1 -UNDEBUG -DXTHREADS -D_REENTRANT -DXUSE_MTSAFE_API -Iinclude -Isrc -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/freetype2/config -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/project/c4i/Users_Share/williams/Linux/include/python2.3 -c src/gtk/_core_wrap.cpp -o build-gtk2/temp.linux-i686-2.3/src/gtk/_core_wrap.o -O3 cc1plus: warning: command line option -Wstrict-prototypes is valid for Ada/C/ObjC but not for C++ In file included from src/gtk/_core_wrap.cpp:400: include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:19:19: wx/wx.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:21:25: wx/busyinfo.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:22:22: wx/caret.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:23:25: wx/choicebk.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:24:24: wx/clipbrd.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:25:25: wx/colordlg.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:26:23: wx/config.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:27:23: wx/cshelp.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:28:25: wx/dcmirror.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:29:21: wx/dcps.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:30:24: wx/dirctrl.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:31:23: wx/dirdlg.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:32:20: wx/dnd.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:33:24: wx/docview.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:34:24: wx/encconv.h: No such file or directory include/wx/wxPython/wxPython_int.h:35:25: wx/fdrepdlg.h: No such file or direct ... Why isn't there a
Web interface GUI??
I am a newbye. I am looking for a multi-platform user interface solution (windows, linux). Untill now, I used wxPython which worked fine at the beginning (MDK9, Windows NT4). Nevertheless, I was very disapointed when I noticed that my applications did not work with recent linux distributions (MDK10.1, FC3). This was because of the wxPython version...and it seemed to be very difficult to come back to an older wxPython version with these new distributions, because of dependencies problems. So I am looking for another solution with a web interface that should work with linux and windows XP. I had a look to zope but was afraid with the complexity and debug difficulties. Are there some other solutions? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Web interface GUI??
Irmen de Jong a écrit: Luc wrote: So I am looking for another solution with a web interface that should work with linux and windows XP. I had a look to zope but was afraid with the complexity and debug difficulties. Are there some other solutions? Yes. A lot: http://www.python.org/moin/WebProgramming I know someone who successfully created a web application that runs from CD-ROM, using Snakelets. So you may want to have a look at that one first, because this is quite similar to what you want to do, right? Then again I'm biased ofcourse. Just have a quick look at the available libraries and decide which one fits your needs most. --Irmen Thanks. It seems to be a good starting point -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
