Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Unix damage: color names
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Xah Lee wrote: More of his usual bollocks. ___ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please do | / O O\__ NOT | / \ feed the| / \ \ trolls | / _\ \ __| /|\\ \ || / | | | |\/ || / \|_|_|/ \__|| / / \|| || / | | /|| --| | | |// | --| * _| |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ // | / _ \\ _ // |/ * / \_ /- | - | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Xah's Edu Corner: Responsible Software Licensing
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Xah Lee wrote: His usual clap trap. ___ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please do | / O O\__ NOT | / \ feed the| / \ \ trolls | / _\ \ __| /|\\ \ || / | | | |\/ || / \|_|_|/ \__|| / / \|| || / | | /|| --| | | |// | --| * _| |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ // | / _ \\ _ // |/ * / \_ /- | - | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member . * * . * .* . . * . .* President, * . . /\ ( . . * Rite Online Inc. . . / .\ . * . .*. / * \ . . . /* o \ . Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638* '''||''' . URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich ** -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Steven D'Aprano wrote: But there is always an alternative. You can always send me a Word document, a PDF, an Powerpoint presentation showing the steps one per page, why the possibilities are endless. Why saddle you with a proprietory format (M$ Office), when StarOffice and OpenOffice do the job just as well, for much cheaper (and are cross platform too)?! You could even send me a URL to a webpage. Indeed! -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Roedy Green wrote: Normally you send photos to grandma with captions under each photo. That is far more convenient for the technopeasant receiver than dealing with multiple attachments. And even more convenient is Hey grandma, check out the latest photos on my web site: www.example.com/rich/photos. People keep thinking of email as a techie preserve. Worse, people keep misusing email. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Roedy Green wrote: This is pulling a King Canute. There is not even a mechanism in email protocols to warn your correspondents of your demand. I have been Yes there is: the message my server sends someone sending me HTML says so quite plainly. That Outhouse (and presumably other WIndoze email clients) choses to not display the real message and put up some other generic, user friendly (but totally techie useless) message besides the point. There is nothing wrong with formatted text. You are confusing formatted text with spam. You think you hated formatted text, but you really hate spam. Please don't presume to think for me. I've been using email and the Internet for over 10 years, and I think I can differentiate between spam and formatted text. I hate spam, that's a given. But I hate spam that's in plain text as well as formatted text. I hate HTML email for several reasons, including: 1. it's wasteful of bandwidth 2. it enourages people to put form over content 3. it doesn't display properly on my email client of choice, which, BTW, I've been using in various versions for 10+ years. There are probably others, but you get my drift. You'll also notice that I deliberately didn't list the security issues. HTML is for web sites, not email. If your lover sent you a message with photo, and even musical accompaniment, I doubt you would feel offended. It is the CONTENT bugging you, not the HTML. No it isn't. And my wife knows better than to do that. When she sends me virtual boquets, she does so in the correctmanner: she sends me a plain text link to a web site that does all the fancy stuff, including background music. That is how it should be. You imagine that the two are inexplicably linked. That is just because No I don't. Eudora warns you of deceptive links in HTML. There are many more such I am fortuanate enough to not use Windoze. unfair to blame formatting for the foolish practice off allowing untrusted code to run without even an ok. They have nothing to do with each other. Agreed. But as I said above, I have many other issues with HTML emails, over and above the security concerns. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Roedy Green wrote: Some people use email PRIMARILY for sharing photos. WHat the hell has that got to do with HTML email? Sending photos is an example of what attachments are for. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Again taking new Java programming contracts. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen wrote: But trying to keep your email world into a pure text-based no-formatting-whatsoever world, that's a fantasy bubble that is bound to burst, sooner rather than later. Not here. I've configured my email server to reject HTML emails before I even see them, and more often tham not I'll delete any others that sneak through the gate. If people want me to read their email, they should send it to me in an open, universal format, which for email is plain text. It's as simple as that. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OpenSource documentation problems
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Asbjørn Sæbø wrote: I suppose you are going to volounteer to fix it, then. Right? I wish he'd just volunteer to shut up--permanently. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Writing portable applications (Was: Jargons of Info Tech industry)
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Mike Meyer wrote: I think you're right - a web standard designed for writing real applications probably wouldn't start life as a markup for text. The only thing I can think of that even tries is Flash, but it's What about Java? -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OpenSource documentation problems
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Xah Lee wrote: His usual crap. ___ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please do | / O O\__ NOT | / \ feed the| / \ \ trolls | / _\ \ __| /|\\ \ || / | | | |\/ || / \|_|_|/ \__|| / / \|| || / | | /|| --| | | |// | --| * _| |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ // | / _ \\ _ // |/ * / \_ /- | - | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, John Bokma wrote: people from www to Usenet or vice versa is beyond me. If 80% of the current Usenet users stop posting, Usenet is not going to die :-D Heh. Quite the opposite, I reckon: it would get much better (higher SNR)! :-) -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, John Bokma wrote: And workplaces. Some people have more then one computer in the house. My partner can check her email when I had her over the computer. When I I know this is entirely inappropriate and OT, but am I th eonly person who reads that sentence with a grin? The idea of my wife checking her email while I'm doing her over my computer is most amusing! :-) -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Mike Schilling wrote: Another advantage is that evewry internet-enabled computer today already comes with an HTML renderer (AKA browser), so that a message saved to a file can be read very easily. I think you're missing the point: email and Usenet are, historically have been, and should always be, plain text mediums. If I wanted to look at prettily formatted HTML, I'd use a web browser to look at the web. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, John Bokma wrote: Just have a look at some web based message boards, and you might see why it would be another disaster on Usenet. Moreoever, why keep people insisting on making Usenet better? If you want HTML and fancy mark up, start a message board. You probably can get even more people. Right. I avoid web based forums like the plague. Why? Because apart from the (usually) very low SNR, for me interacting with a browser is more effort than using my email/news client of 10+ years, pine. I find that fact that something is technically possible (e.g., HTML email and Usenet) is not necessarily a good argument for actully DOING it. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Ulrich Hobelmann wrote: CSS sheet. If things were that way, suddenly people *would* use Outlook No no no! Let's keep those Outhouse lusers away from Usenet. There's tto much top posting as it is! -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Mike Schilling wrote: A formatting-only subset of HTML would be useful for both e-mail and Usenet posts. Nope; plain text for both mediums is, IMHO, th eonly way to go. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, jan V wrote: Please don't use ASCII art... not everyone uses a fixed-width font for his newsreader... Then I humbly submit thet they are using broken and/or badly configured readers. ;-) -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
